Based on how the justices reacted to the oral arguments, you can guess that they favor striking down the California law.
for the sake of gamers everywhere I hope fanboyz can put aside their petty differences and unite against this BS law.
I don't understand why people are getting worried about this... liberal justices will be on our side because of free speech, and conservative justices will be on the side of business, which is also on our side. Even when the this case is over and we've won, there will still be some mom bitching somewhere and 5 years later we will be revisiting the same argument.
Why would you think the conservative justices wouldn't stick up for the first amendment rights of Game Developers and are only doing it for business? Scalia is a conservative justice and he is the one who brought up Grimms Fairy Tales and Rap music.I think people have this strange misconception about what a conservative justice would fight for. in 9 of 10 cases they would be constitutionalists. And aside from the "fire in a crowded room" argument against the 1st amendment it is generally absolute. Being constitutionalists they would uphold this.
You just reaffirm my point... although we may disagree on motivation, the outcome will be the same. My generalization may not be fair, but you shouldn't take me too seriously anyway... I'm just an asshole with a computer, so I must be right.
guitarded. too bad alot of ppl on this site cant say stuff like that as a reaction instead of having a dumb internet fight that gets deleted by mods anyways. kudos for both of u.
Actually my purpose wasn't to reaffirm your point but to clear up a misconception you are putting forth about Conservative justices. As a Conservative myself it's sort of cynical to state that its just about business when every politician in Washington totes business. Good conversation though.
Lol..im not even worried. pls give me some more important news.
Please win this case Game Industry... we NEED This
... we still got honest people in gov. just gotta find them.
So they want to turn California into Australia? This cannot happen!
It really cant. It would be going against the constitution. I am very confident that the supreme court will strike this law down just like it has to other similar laws before it.
Hopefully, this law will be struck down. We permit "torture porn" movies like 'Saw' and 'Hostel' to be shown in theatres with age restrictions. If parents don't want their children to play violent video games, they need to take steps to ensure their kids won't play the games. I support prohibiting sales of M-rated games to kids. Adult material, cigarettes, and alcohol can't legally be sold to minors, and graphic sex or violence is adult material. Beyond those basic laws and their enforcement, I think parents need to make their own decisions with respect to what materials they permit their children to see. It's a very slippery slope, once the state takes over parental decisions. Of course, this approach requires parents to research the entertainment their kids are consuming. If some parents don't want to take the time to do that, it's not the government's role to parent their kids.
You say you want the law to be struck down...and yet in your next paragraph you talk about how sex and violence is adult material and beyond the basic laws and their enforcement it needs to be the parents decision. Do you realize there are absolutely ZERO laws in the U.S. that prohibit the sale of Mature content to minors when it comes to video games? Beyond the ESRB slapping a sticker on the box and saying "retailers" please dont sell this to Timmy there is absolutley nothing that prevents that from happening. I for one have no problem with the state instituting a law that would fine a store $1,000 if they were caught selling an M-rated game to someone under 18yrs of age. Its time we step up as a society and stop this non-sense of trying to throw all the responsibility of raising our children on Parents when we are constantly handcuffing their ability to do that by limiting their rights to enforce parental decisions and undermining them by giving un-enforceable rating systems that can easily be bypassed. If you are a parent you fully understand that in this day and age, it is nearly impossible to know 100% what your child has bought, watched and played. Why are we so afraid to say "yes, lets actually back up our words with enforceable law"?
If you do institute what you are discussing then you have to extend it to cover every single medium that could present a minor with something that is "Adult" in nature. You need to fine book stores, libraries, movie theaters, etc. Do you see how that becomes a problem? And where does it stop? You can have those people then complain about the free availability of questionable material on the internet. At what point do you stop babysitting? It actually makes me think of Walmart. At Walmart you can buy movies and games that are violent or have violent language or have sexual imagery etc. However, they do not sell any music that has parental advisory labels on it.....Why?? Thats a completely asinine policy and it is completely contradictory.
Where I live in Canada, retailers card before selling M-rated games - though a parent can buy the M-rated game for their child. The issue for me is the slippery slope of government interference these laws can create. What's wrong with parents informing themselves and making their own decisions with respect to raising their kids? What if a parent decides that his or her child, a minor, is mature enough to handle playing an M-rated game? Does that state have the right to intervene and tell that parent 'You don't know what's best for your child. We do'? There's a fine line between the rights of the individual and the power of the State. Beyond the most basic restriction (the same as we see with films), I'd rather parents took the most active role in raising their kids. Not the government.
sounds like your okay with the government parenting your children... will you also agree to a law that will charge the parents of kids a $1000 for being out after Curfew? cause not being able to go out after 9pm prevents potential danger such as rape or vandalism at night right?! We might as well give our children to the u.s army then if you want F$#kin' laws to charge us and supposingly take care of our children then( but I think its more about the money)....
Why are your kids out after 9pm anyway? LOL... On a serious note... Honestly... there would be far less crime if there was a 9pm or 10pm curfew. And if there was a law in place for that, then you can be damn sure I would make sure my child was ass in house all they way up until 18 if that was the age. Make no mistake, we live in a great country. But we have begun to quickly abuse the feedoms we set in place long ago. We have created an atmoshpere where Parenting is difficult at best. Laws when made correctly in this instance are there to help a parent. Its still upon the parent to teach their children right and wrong. Why not help enforce that teaching with laws that keep our stores from selling them items they shouldn't have?
Carnivals, amusement parks, fire cracker victoria/ canada day events... you know, flashy family evening events like that;) But point being, I don't need the government to tell me what's right and what's wrong for my children... and if I did need the government to do that, then I shouldn't have kids to begin with.
I have to agree with David Jaffe on this one, this is a complete waste of time. I can't believe the supreme court is taking time out to talk about this crap because some stupid ass soccer mom is to lazy to teach their children difference between reality and fiction.
The terminator! *crowd boooos simultaniousely*
Its not the industries fault that parents don't want to research a game before they go buy it for their child. I have kids and if i buy a game for them and it ends up being to violent, its my fault for not seeing what kind of game it is. How can i blame the store or the gaming industry for me being to damn lazy and not checking the rating or checking to see what kind of game it is.
When your kid is 10yrs old most certainly I am sure you are there every time they buy a game. Try 14...15.... do you really think you are going to be there seeing what little Timmy just bought? How many kids do you see in a Gamestop without a parent under the age of 18? I would venture that ratio is VERY high. While I agree its not the industry's fault that a parent may not do research why should that be an excuse for the sale of the game to a minor? Just trying to understand the logic that because a parent didnt do their dilengce or didnt get an opportunity because the kid came to the store solo that its OK for a game store to go ahead and sell that game?.
Dude you are right and the stores should not sale the game to someone that age. As a matter of fact i have a 14 yr old but i don't let her go buy games on her on. But it is a lot of parents who do that.I had a under age guy try to get me to buy the last resident evil game for him, he told me that his mother said he could get it. So i told him if that's the case when she comes to pick you up she can get it for you. Luckily the store i buy my games from will card you if you look under age and your trying to buy a M rated game.
Again I am going to state, where do you stop? Are you going to fine Best Buy, Walmart, your local library, barnes and noble, cable companies, radio stations, the internet, etc, etc, ad nauseum. Each and every one of them sell something or another that is objectionable for a minor to see. I for one do not want to live in a Nanny State. I have 3 kids (my son in my avatar pic) and I trust in my parenting skills. Will they see stuff I would prefer they didn't.....of course they will. Hell I saw, heard, and played things when i was a kid that would have made my parents heads spin (2Live Crew and Blood Sugar Sex Magik were two of my favorite tapes) and I grew up just fine.
@logikil I'm not saying that they should pass the law. I don't think passing the law is a good thing. I agree with you about kids seeing things that you would prefer that they didn't hell my 14 yr old i can't stand some of the music she listens to but i know for a fact that the more you say you better not the more they are going to sneak and do it. So as a parent all i can do is teach them whats right and whats wrong.
@StanRaimondi My comment wasn't really for you it was for Dlacy13g. Parenting is tough, no question. And what you say is really all you can do. Hope that your guidance is taken to heart. If you are doing that, but still keeping your eye open, you're doing all you can :).
Nobody wants to live in a Nanny state. I love my gaming just as you do. I have a 1 1/2 yr old boy and look forward to the day he gets to play his first video game. but unless you live under a rock you have to see that things are not the same as they were when you grew up. I don't for one second think Video Games are to blame but I also think they certainly don't help. Nor do many of the movies, comics, news casts, tv sit coms.... I could go on but wont. At some point we need to change things. At the rate we are going we will live in that post apocolyptic world so often used in games. Change is hard and not always easy. I don't know you, so I will take you at your word that you grew up just fine and yes I too had the 2 Live Crew As Bad As You Wanna Be cassette...later on a CD ;). I live near Oakland, and I can tell you 100% that life around there is not "just fine". It's not just fine in L.A., San Diego, San Jose...wasn't just fine out when I visited N.Y. either. This is not a ban on making violent video games. This is an attempt to put a law with teeth behind the idea that it is wrong for a store to sell M rated content to a minor. Please dont try and turn this into a book burning argument because it is not the same. The U.K. has a similar law in place with the Pegi system. Stores will be fined for selling M rated games to minors. It works just fine... Call of Duty still gets made. It just doesn't get sold to little Timmy. And yes... to answer your first question...should we be fining Best Buy and Walmart for selling questionable M rated content... yes, if a law is in place..yes. Btw...The FCC already does fine cable companies and radio stations for such. The internet as well has been an ever evolving state... and while harder to manage (impossible to a degree) there are things in place around adult content. I do think both Movies, games and music should all be under the same umbrella, but a first step needs to be made. Gaming developers and publishers are against this because they (unlike what they say) want kids buying their games and are fearful that they will lose out on potential sales. There is no morale high ground from the industry on this, they are looking out for their bottom line and not the best intrest of our kids.
We all know Supreme Court justices love Grand Theft Auto. Open and shut case.
I want to see what life would be like for video games then.
We will win no doubt. From what we just read they are saying that parents gotta step in and be parents. We should not have to baby the parents and do these things for them.
I like people that say "Why do we need to worry about this". We already lost some of are rights, we don't need to lose them because some kid shot his mom for taking his 360 away, their reasons are bs but count has ok dumber things before. So this isn't really a joke or something to take to likely.
today on NPR, The justices are not trying to rewrite the first amendment. This republic of California BS will be shot down.
I just want to clear something up I‘m from the UK we got a 2-tier rateing system the Pegi that not legal binding & the B.B.F.C that is legal binding set up by our government. However They don't tell devs or parents what should be in a 18+ game i think the california law will tell devs which content should be allow or not, our law put the orders to the stores then devs & parents if a store sold a 18+ game to a minor they have to pay a hafty fine more then the california law fines, We are a nanny state on different laws 1 law is school teachers can‘t take out minors on adventure trips with fear that they May get sued if a kid get hurt. all kids get hurt from playing games without being on a adventure trip. there are other nanny state laws, believe me you don't want to go down that route. i‘m 100% against this bill here a question for the anti-VG lobby: How far will you go to be a communist state and kill democracy Dead. minors will always read, listen, watch, play use the net moives etc etc it‘s your call.
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