With the release of Microsoft's latest update to the Xbox 360 dashboard come changes that remove Xbox Live Indie Games from the proper games store, provoking some indie developers speak out against the new marketplace.
I'm sure this will be fixed very shortly. Edit: Just to remind people, XBL is the only console that allows Indie Developers of an extremely wide range to put their games on the platform at reasonable prices and without having to pay large costs for dev kits ($120/year for up to 10 Indie game releases on XBL). I highly doubt Microsoft is suddenly going to stop being Indie friendly and they'll more than likely end up making the necessary UI change to continue to promote Indie Developers.
SHAME ON U M$! D:
I wouldn't count on it being fixed so soon. It's been messed up like that during the whole of the beta aswell as now. The beta was pretty pointless though, you would go to the forum and there would be loads of posts about valid things to change and yet there was hardly any changes during the whole process despite continuously having to update. Still, this doesn't surprise me. Just take one look at the new Xbox.com website and they've made it abundantly clear what their new target audience is, and it isn't people that would be browsing Indie games looking for a hidden gem.
That's the problem with betas right before a new software release, it's very unlikely you'll see things fixed upon release and post-release they tend to delay updates as focus is directed elsewhere. This unfortunate beta wasn't so much to test the overall UI but to ensure it worked with the various Kinects that are out there in the wild. I think it will be fixed for two reasons. 1. Bad publicity. 2. Casuals buy into Indie games the most due to the very low costs and typically non-hardcore gameplay.
Keep in mind that the beta was pretty short, and once you make a bug fix you have to test the bug fix as well to ensure you don't introduce new bugs! The beta is more to make sure major problems don't occur. Give it a little time, and if it still not fix there is nothing like a little bad publicity won't fix!!!
Indie developers never get the respect they deserve.
That is because there are a lot of bad ones! How much crap do you find in the indie game section? Not to say there aren't good ones, but there is an abundance of really bad ones!
So true. Can't count how many "Massage" indie games have been published. I don't want to massage my friends over XBL damn it, I have a GF for a reason!
At least MS gives them some room to sell their games. They even have trial games for all indie games. What have Sony and Nintendo done for indie devs lately? Some of you are quick to bash anything MS related.
This is honestly disgusting...Wow.
That is mess up, I mean I brought some of the ones I enjoy. In less Microsoft gives me my money back (Haven't got around to downloading them on my new system).
First, it was Community games. Then, it was retitled Independant, or Indie Games. And now this. Every year, with every update Indie games is getting progressively lower on the totem pole. Just above how-to videos but just below avatar clothes.
Indie Games is actually a better name than Community Games IMO, in a way, a bit more respectful to the developers, some of whom are not "Joe Community" but industry vets who have founded start ups and are releasing through the service.
Elven you are preaching to haters, haters don't want to listen to reason.
@nilamo I'm not a hater, I love indie games, I've bought quite a few. Try not to fart, I Maed a game with zombies init, Get 2 tha choppa, etc. I'm just annoyed at how MS is having so much trouble handling them. Just put them with all the other games and be done with it. Why seperate them? They started in 2008 and two years in a row MS has changed them. I get Elven's point about changing Community to Indie, I never thought of it like that and I understand. What I don't understand is why MS can't leave them where they were, along with Arcade games, demos, Games on Demand, etc. If it ain't broke don't fix it is all I'm saying. I didn't actually mean I think Indie games are below avatar clothes that's just how I feel MS is treating them, like they're not exactly on their list of priorities.
It could be because indie games aren't available in all regions so its easier to give them their own channel then region block the channel than to mix them with the other games and region block each game.
Not many people would buy them anyway. But I'm sure if someone makes an exceptionally good indie game, word-of-mouth will be enough- Then they'll be made into XBOX Live arcade/PSN games. Having an indie section just leaves room for quick cash ins from crappy indie developers who only care about a quick buck and don't care about good games.
people whinge about anything microsoft does. this is just another case of that. get over it.
One of the things i don't like about the new update. I knew indies were not going to be happy with that too. Microsoft push them in the cave because they don't make enough cash for them, pathetic. Some Indie games are really great, more than XBLA titles!
I think the Indie games should be front and center because that is where innovation and growth comes from. Microsoft will be making a mistake if they hide or make it difficult in finding the Indie game section.
have you had a look at 90% of the indie games? most of them are, in a word, rubbish. putting them 'front and center' would be a bad move for microsoft.
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