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PS3's Move Sold 'Well Below Expectations,' says Pachter

Yesterday, Sony Computer Entertainment America told IndustryGamers that the PlayStation Move "is performing extremely well at retail," although the company seemed reluctant to actually provide hard data to back up this statement. After all, if the product is selling so well, why not give us the sales information? In Europe, Sony revealed that Move sold around 1.5 million units. In North America, however, Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter believes that Move really did not fare as well as Sony would have liked.

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Shanks4941d ago (Edited 4941d ago )

So I guess it means Move sold well above expectation.

Game-ur4941d ago

MS Sony and Nintendo are all global companies; I don’t understand why "analysts" comment only about regional sales.

Shadow Flare4941d ago (Edited 4941d ago )

1.5 million is pretty good just for Europe. Word of mouth has been good with the move and it's word of mouth that will sell it. Because it works very well and is enjoyable to use

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seinfan4941d ago

Why is the dumb ass in the picture posing like that?

Ares84PS34941d ago

oooohhh the irony about everything you say.

I almost fell off my chair laughing.

SuperM4941d ago

Europe is a far bigger market for the PS3 then the USA

TOO PAWNED4941d ago

But Europe is smaller market then usa, besides they are talking about USA numbers in this case, not EU numbers, don't see whats so hard to understand about it?

xAlmostPro4941d ago

@TOO PAWNED

how is europe a smaller market for PS3 when it sells more in that region? 1.5million units sold in europe alone and you're hating.. why?

Eamon4941d ago

I think, generally, the PS brand is more popular in Europe than America.

Shadow Flare4941d ago (Edited 4941d ago )

I don't think Europe is that far behind NA. In fact, i just did a quick check of hardware totals regionally, and europe outsells america in practically everything but 360 and wii

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-- Americas / EMEAA

(PS1) 40.78 / 40.12

(PS2) 52.30 / 61.58

(PS3) 15.18 / 17.43

(PSP) 19.81 / 25.14

(DS) 49.38 / 54.27

(Wii) 34.98 / 28.72

(X360) 25.18 / 17.17

http://www.vgchartz.com/har...

So in all honestly, how is america the bigger territory if more hardware has been sold in Europe?

This goes some way to explaining why even though 360 dominates america, ps3 has still reduced the gap between itself and 360 from 8 million to 3 million. You need more then just america in this game.

And europe is a very, very important territory. Judging by the above numbers, maybe the most important

OC_MurphysLaw4941d ago

It's not that Move didnt' sell well in EU. 1.5 million in EU is great. Even though it sold best in EU, that doesn't mean EU is the bigger market for Sony. NA is the #1 Gaming market. EU and Japan are vying for 2nd and 3rd place. I think that was the point trying to be driven home. Just to re-iterate, Sony may be selling well in EU, but that doesn't make it a bigger market.

TEFL0N_D0N_814941d ago

No one can trust any of these comments. Sony said the same thing about PSP Go when first released. I hope Move does well, as I'd like to try it some day soon. Nevertheless, their statement was made to please their share holders. By contrast, you can't trust Pachter's statements because he's an idiot and doesn't even play these games.

Each person's own trials and experiences are the most reliable.

Insomnia_844941d ago

So if it's not selling well..... WHY THE F@&* CAN'T I FIND A PS MOVE CONTROLLER HERE IN NYC??? it's sold out EVERYWHERE!!!

HolyOrangeCows4941d ago (Edited 4941d ago )

Pachter, unless you have (and would like to share) confirmed sales numbers for the Move in the US, STFU.

"We [Wedbush Morgan] think" means absolutely nothing to me, coming from a worthless analyst like you and a company fool enough to employ you this long.

OC_MurphysLaw4941d ago

If you are going to quote VGChartz then you need to quote all their stats. According to VGChartz the 360 leads the PS3 by 5.5 Million units now.

Now... EU is definitely an important territory, but NA is still the "largest" game hardware/software consuming territory for console gaming. Again, quoting VGChartz since you were:

75.4 Million total (console only) units sold in NA
63.3 Million total (console only) units sold in EU
17.7 Million total (console only) units sold in Japan.

gm9994941d ago (Edited 4941d ago )

brother correct your self Sony and Nintendo are only global companies where Microsoft xbox is regional which have majority sales in america and less sales in other countries

Shadow Flare4941d ago

Dlacy, I'm not disputing your numbers, but using the same source, ps2 and the DS, the 2 highest selling consoles, each sell more in europe then in america. Which is pretty amazing. I don't know how that can be disputed, it obviously shows Europe is the more important gaming territory

As for the ps3 360 gap, the gap was 3 million the last time I saw official numbers in a previous article. We all know vgchartz isn't the most accurate source in the world, but I don't know any other source I could use to show the info required. Plus I assumed that historical data like ps2 sales would be more accurate since they've had official data to base it on

frostypants4940d ago (Edited 4940d ago )

It must not be selling TOO badly. I mean geez, good luck finding a Move controller on the shelf anywhere...or even online...

That said, Sony hasn't been marketing it too heavily. If it blows up, it will be because of word of mouth.

Finally, I mess around in the stock market quite a bit, and believe me when I say Pachter is at or near the top of my "ignore this stupid blowhard" list. He's terrible and he never gives actionable analysis. He's more like an amateur video games blogger than a viable industry analyst.

Edit: LOL at the drive-by DA. What do you disagree with? That the controllers are hard as hell to find (they are), that Sony isn't marketing Move too heavily (they aren't), or that Pachter is generally considered to be a hack in the stock realm (he is)?

ProjectVulcan4940d ago (Edited 4940d ago )

Down year on year, but its difficult to beat the release of uncharted 2 and a hardware price drop with a brand new slim design that occurred september last year.

If move shifted nearly 2M in NA and EU for one month, without even launching in japan yet, i would say thats good. It could easily sell another million in japan and that would take it to 3M units+ by the end of november easily. Impressive figures IMHO

BattleAxe4940d ago

Pachter is such a fanboy.

Anon19744940d ago

How is it that Pachter is now speaking for Sony? So, he somehow knows what Sony's expectations for Move were? Well, why doesn't he share that figure with us, because where I'm sitting I see Sony saying they're please with Move, and an analyst who consistently proves he's out of touch with the gaming world saying they're really disappointed - without any way of backing up that statement.

Given Pachter's track record it's understood why I'm taking his comments with a pinch of salt. Pachter also said Kinect would only cost $50. And he's been saying Nintendo would be forced to release a Wii HD since 2007 (I believe he said this year would finally be the year we see it). He really hasn't been "on" when it comes to predicting motion control.

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MrMccormo4941d ago

Pachter is a joke. Sony just said they sold 1.5 million in the US and EUR alone since launch, which is AMAZING. This thing hasn't even hit Japan and other regions yet.

You can bet developers will perk up and take notice with their 3rd party support. Heck, it's already getting a ton of 3rd party support.

Christopher4941d ago

I thought they sold 1.5m in Europe alone?

Homicide4941d ago

They shipped 1.5 million in Europe.

frostypants4940d ago

Homicide, Sony doesn't report units shipped, last I checked.

archemides5184940d ago

1.5 million is WAY more than i expected, especially with that launch lineup, anyone with any sense would see it as a slow burner, and when the big games start coming in (like sorcery and others that aren't just minigames) the #s will go up

vhero4941d ago

The weird thing is about this fanboys call patcher a liar and god knows what names yet when he says crap like this he's a massiah and hes right? anyways I think he is kinda right in a way as Sony was hoping for more I mean your always gonna be disappointed you always shoot for the stars and hit the moon right?

brew4941d ago

If they really wanted to shoot for the stars and impress and analyst or fanboy on N4G .... they would have released it early in November (holiday) when there were more games avaiable and spent a lot more on marketing before it released to get maximum NPD launch numbers.

But they didn't go that route. Seems like the were shooting for the moon to me.

Marceles4941d ago

Haven't played Sports Champions I see...the archery portion is pretty detailed to the point where you can't help but end up in that pose when you're about to shoot.

TheLastGuardian4940d ago (Edited 4940d ago )

1.5 million in europe alone sounds like it sold great. I live in the US and I bought a Move bundle. Plenty of people are still waiting for more games to come out for move before they buy it. The Move will be a success.

N311V4940d ago

I'm one of the people simply waiting for more games, interested in move but the launch titles don't interest me.

If this was a game that sold 1.5 million in one month we would say that's a great number. Why not with move?

avengers19784940d ago

According to everyone else though it's doing pretty well. Just another Patcher error.
Just like everytime he opens his mouth.

soljah4940d ago

well don't know what he's been snoking but i want out yesterday to pick up a move controller and every where i want they were sold out. could only find some bundles and the navi in stock

Nevers4940d ago

... both it and kinect disappointed me a bit. But masking the actual price to do Move by selling the move-motes(?) separately turned me off completely. Though I guess Kinect does that too with the adapter for older 360's. Neither had games that appealed to me.

otherZinc4940d ago

You can tell by the amount of "unsold" Move games at retail.

Now that NPD is mysteriously out of the picture, SONY will give shipped sales every month to excite the videogame boards.

Pachter is also wrong about Move moving consoles during the holiday season; wont happen.

People are saying Move sold out: please, it didn't sell out in "1" store in Northwest Indana; not ONE!
Also, the stores I frequent haven't received additional stock of Move controllers or games.

tacosRcool4940d ago

It shows that people still try to undermine the greatness of the PS3

MNicholas4940d ago (Edited 4940d ago )

How many people even know it exists? Maybe it's different in other areas of the US but I haven't seen any ads for it on TV, the news papers, billboards, etc.

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Ares84PS34941d ago

What was this idiots expectations? 10million day one?

God, Patcher why don't you just shut up already?? You know nothing about the video games industry.

TOO PAWNED4941d ago

That means nothing. Maybe Sony expected to sell 10 moves so when it sold 300k they are like "mind blowing". Who cares what sony says, look at those numbers, 300k is a joke.

xAlmostPro4941d ago

well if they expected to sell 10 and sold 300k then that IS beyond expectations..

yet your saying sony(the god damn makers) saying its sold better than expected isn't as good as some analyst saying it didnt sell as expected?.. i'd rather take the companies word thanks..

Ares84PS34941d ago

300K units sold isn't a bad number for September. Sony themselves said that they are planning for Move to sell slowly but after the first figures came in Sony said that it sold more than expected and they where very happy. And their expectations wasn't 10 moves you smartass.

Moves plan is just like the PS3's plan. Slowly but surley it will sell very well.

TOO PAWNED4941d ago

Are you serious? are you telling me 300k isn't bad for launch month? Who cares what month it is, it is launch month, unit is supposed to sell. This just shows core base in usa didn't support move like we in EU have. AMericans just talk and spin low numbers as "good". Go and buy move instead, hypocrites.

Ares84PS34941d ago

I got Move thank you. Also most of my friends did as well. The week that it lanuched almost all my buddy list was playing Sports Champions.

Makidian4941d ago

This is about Move, not the hardware sold for the months which is the number you are pulling out. Sony didn't reveal the numbers for Move in NA yet so calling 300k a joke for Move is kinda retarded on your part since that is not what Move sold.

jneul4940d ago (Edited 4940d ago )

funny thing is vgc have move at 600k and that will be wrong thanks to this data and move s sold out in alot of places, why ramp up production if move is not selling as well as they say

Petro4940d ago

Here it is a piece for you guys to read... you didn't read it.

Piece of the article: "The launch of PlayStation Move did not seem to noticeably lift the fortunes of Sony's PS3 either; Pachter revealed that the PS3 sold 312,000 units in September, which represents a 37% decline year-over-year."

The number is amount of PlayStation 3's sold in September!

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visualb4941d ago (Edited 4941d ago )

unlike who ever might be dating him! xD

sorry for the bad joke, but seriously, I agree, its a bit silly, I'm sure it didn't sell well nor bellow expectations, just en par, sony were never super excited about move tbh

then again, isn't patcher a bit of a joke? oh well, analysts always over-predict.

DaTruth4940d ago (Edited 4940d ago )

Unlike whoever is taking his advice on analysis!

Rip-Ridah4941d ago (Edited 4941d ago )

Please direct me to the quote in the article where it states that the Playstation M-O-V-E sold 300k. I think I may be reading different text than the rest of you all cuzz my browser says, "Pachter revealed that the PS3 sold 312,000 units in September..." It offers no numbers for PS Move. Unless I'm missing something.

Petro4940d ago (Edited 4940d ago )

Indeed! Most of these guys didn't even read the article! Again here's what it says:

"The launch of PlayStation Move did not seem to noticeably lift the fortunes of Sony's PS3 either; Pachter revealed that the PS3 sold 312,000 units in September, which represents a 37% decline year-over-year."

N4Great4940d ago

The ridiculous failmachines (xbox fanboyz) were so happy when vgchartz said "100 000" (after only 2 days), they was repeating all day long "100 000=FAIL", and now, they are trying to ignore, spin, or else ("sony is lying" lol) the 2 millions and more, whithout japan, wich is great success already.

Poor sad serial loosers :)

stuna14940d ago

I agree!

@360RRODFIX : You're always screaming at the top of your lungs about some ps3 fanboy.
Question! What sets you apart from them you despise? You sound a little upset that the ps3 is showing some success with the move!

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plb4941d ago

I saw the word Patcher and knew what came next would be an idiotic comment.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

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Profchaos7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers3h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

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Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

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jznrpg15h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos15h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola10h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies20d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken20d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga20d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken20d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6420d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long20d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197220d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic20d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12520d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91320d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer20d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91320d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit19d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher20d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6920d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit19d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher20d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken20d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197220d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic20d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2320d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218320d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder20d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts20d ago

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"... off a cliff"

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