CVG Debate: Is BioWare's 'introduction module' enough?
The article makes a couple of good points. I havent played any Mass Effect so I don't know what the explosive introduction that occurs in part 2 is. But I also don't know whether or not PS3 players are being short-changed because quite frankly, NO ONE knows what the "Up-to-speed" module will be for them. No one except Bioware. And considering the amount of praise Bioware has received for their ability to craft a story, it shouldn't be too hard for them to adequately bring players into the world of Mass Effect if they haven't played part 1. I like that they said they'll be bringing hours of bonus content and introduction. In my eyes, that could relate to about 15 hours of story and gameplay, kind of like a game in somewhat fast forward to help people focus on the characters and there will be other things within the game to get the story of the first to the players. That would be my guess, but seeing as how I, like others don't actually know, I can't say for sure whether or not players will be short-changed. I'd rather wait until we get full details from Bioware themselves.
The "introductory module" is more than enough. My girlfriend played and loved Mass Effect 2 with no introductory module and without ever seeing the first game. Sure playing Mass Effect 1 makes Mass Effect 2 even more enjoyable, but it's still the same brilliant game and you won't feel lost at all if you never knew about the original. The original makes the sequel a more rich experience, but the sequel can easily stand alone.
The Introductory Module is quite a good idea, imo
The emotional investment you have in a character that you played in the first game then bring it over to the second game and have some of those action have an effect in the second game is something that is impossible to replicate with an "introductory module". It's like an investment you put into "your" world that you get more attached to as you spent many hours on it. With that said, I think you won't miss what you don't know! Nobody playing ME2 on PS3 will feel they miss anything except for the people that played both games! I'm assuming the introduction is good, and should have some choices you can make. In fact, it better be damn good!
HOW DO WE KNOW???????????????// nobody seen this module yet or know what is it, maybe it's awesome, maybe it's not enough, NOBODY KNOWS, there is absolutely no ground to speculate, one can only GUESS but what's the point?
[For example] You don't need to play Gears 1 to play Gears 2. I would know. I would also add that you don't need to play Uncharted 1 or Killzone 1(on PS2) to understand/enjoy the second games. Unless it's a Metal Gear game. Then that's deeper :P
@ExplosionSauce: I agree. And even in Metal Gear Solid 4 it's not entirely necessary. My girlfriend really enjoyed watching me play that game (she didn't play it herself, though) for the cutscenes, characters, story, plot, etc. and she had no exposure to the other games in the franchise. My brother loved MGS4 and the only other one he played was the original 10 years prior on PSone. The only way to get the back story in those games was via the MGS4 Database you could download from the PS Store. It was more than sufficient even though it was kind of a lot to take in for newbies. But the plot in Mass Effect is extremely simple. It's not terribly convoluted and full of twists and turns and conspiracies and double crosses etc. the way that the long history of Metal Gear is.
It's not about the complexity. I started MGS with MGS4. I enjoyed it. Do I regret not playing all the others ? a little, maybe...not really. Do people who played all 4 games "pity the fool" that I am for missing out on a great saga ? i'm sure they do... the same goes with ME2. You don't need ME to enjoy M2. But don't expect it to mean anywhere near as much to you as it did to thousands of players who continued their save. So people will miss a lot, they just won't care... (and no DLC-sized introduction module can replace ME1)
I dont know and I dont care. Not so long ago ME was a PC/xbox franchise, now it is also on PS3. The more game the better, PS3 owners will manage to enjoy it. No need to worry about us, CVG and other x-fans.
Like Yakuza 3, there is a introductory Module for new people, and tells you what happened in Yakuza 2 and Yakuza 1.
It's clear to me that a lot of people here didn't play Mass Effect 1. Games like Uncharted, Gears of War or even Halo don't focus on the story driven nature like Mass Effect. Sure, it might have had great story, but it certainly wasn't the main focus of the game. Mass Effect 1 wasn't good because of it's shooting mechanism and game play, in fact some would argue the shooting element was weak. It's the story line, revelation and how you invest into that character that makes the game great. If you are just shooting things and watching cool cutscenes, then do you really care about the background story? Mass Effect gives you choices, and story becomes yours and the world reveals itself piece by piece as you unravel the mystery behind it. Add that with consequences in the second game from your actions in the first, I can't imagine how anyone can compare it to your regular vanilla shooter that clearly has a weak story line and character development to begin with. Again, MOST LIKELY you won't miss what you don't know!
Agreed. This will be my first chance to play a 'Mass Effect' title, since I don't have a 360 or gaming PC. I'm sure Bioware will be able to introduce enough of the material to give PS3 owners a full understanding of the story. This is only a video game, after all. Not Shakespeare.
Lots of 360/PC gamers have played ME2 without having played ME1, and they seemed to enjoy it. I assume I'll similarly enjoy ME2 on my PS3.
Something is better than nothing. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth (or any other orifice for that matter).
Cmon MS, you gotta let go of ME. It's like live and let die or the other way around (i dont remember the quote)
MGS4 worked well for new comes to the franchise, so no reason for ME2 not to work either I really don't care, i'm playing through ME slowly (slowly because also doing total war =D) so I get the whole back story and so on if you don't, don't worry, I'm sure bioware will work something out well =) @ anyone saying "baah it won't work haha" - you are just grasping at straws here.
I say this... Who cares? I mean most PS3 players have probably played on PC and those who havn't, well... as long as they get the basic info on what's going on so they don't feel lost who cares right???
If you strip away all the side missions and just focus on the main story line you have quite a short game in reality. And don't forget the power of the blu ray.
Of course the PS3 Owners are not being shortchanged cause A) they never got the first one and are not until the whole saga is out B) they should be and I am happy to even be getting it for the Ps3 in the first place. Its better that they are adding the module thing and not just sending out the 360/pc version. For example if you never got game "A" on your console and the developer was releasing game "B" onto said console would you not like some back story then none at all?
But MGS4 for an example. My little cousin never played MGS1, or 2, but 4 pretty much went over it so quick. I'm pretty sure the dev's of mass effect knows how to do this, they're the ones who made the game in the first place. The only thing that probably won't be understood is the dead characters spoken about. You can easily find out what happened with them in 3 mins in a youtube video. I don't know how many times I must go through this, but for example, PS3 got saints row 2, never got the first, but it sums up what happened. Another example...look at devil may cry. A lot of 360 owners never even played a DMC game til 4, and it summed up ALL 3 stories before you started the game. Same can be done with ME2. Just because someone didn't play the first installment doesn't mean the game won't be enjoyable, and it's mainly 360 fanboys saying the experience won't be good because some are still butthurt at the fact it's going mp(which it's always has been). Anyone who get's ME2 on ps3, and loves si-fi would enjoy ME2. I'm pretty sure if one wanted to know more they'll look it up like any other game/movie/book.
Get it on Steam. When i bought the game, it was $9.99. It might be even cheaper now.
...implementing a choose your path kind of cut scene story mode that plays into Mass Effect 2 could be nice. As much as I'd like to play through Mass Effect 1 I'd probably go on you tube or something to read the story of Mass Effect 1. I'm not bothered that I'll be starting with the second game having never played the first. Now this could change once I play but for now I'm cool without the second game.
Waiting to see whats gonna be announced by Bioware is the best thing to do
nope...because MGS4 also had flash backs for people who never played the others
You say "flash backs", but they were hardly building huge narrative pieces, just still images from the past games. The database was a much better intro for people who were new to the series.
no, youre wrong. interactive flashbacks and major story history throughout entirel game.
Hearing about it is not the same as experiencing those moments.
I played the game through a ton of times, where's the interactive flashbacks? You mean that one section where in Shadow Moses? There's no "interaction", you press X you see a brief flash of whatever is being referenced, often meaningless to new players. It's a terrible way to present back story.
And which flashbacks/introduction do you suggest for Mass Effect 2? What happened to the council? What happened to the Rachni queen? Which of your old crew members are still alive? What's the status on Cerberus? These are questions every player answers differently because the game's storyline branches out so much depending on your decisions.
yes its enough, now shush.
stated the following in a previous thread: "I imported a level 60 character into ME2 , and I was amazed at how many decisions, both minor and major, carried over into the story. It was awesome to deal with the reprecussions of my ME1 decisions,. Awesome! After completing that playthrough , I created a character from scratch, and was then told what "decision" I made with that Commander Shepherd in ME1. The differences in how I played and what Bioware wrote for me were quite vast. The universe Bioware gave me was nothing like the universe I "created" for myself through the decisions I made in ME1". Somehow, I hope that my PS3 compatriots get a chance to make the choices from ME1 because they were really relevent to ME2, and imo integral to the ME experience.
The introductory module could do that perfectly well. Maybe not the minor decisions (could be a little boring) but the major ones could be put in there for players to make there own choice. Be interesting to see what's done with it. I couldn't get into ME1 and never played ME2 which would you say was the better game?
author is just forgetting how great BioWare can tell a story (which is the best thing about ME). If you dont think BioWare has the talent and capability to bring the story up to speed for ME2... you are just a blind fanboy, since we all know what a great story telling job Bioware does... I played both ME on my 360, and Bioware will get the job done on the PS3 version. If you dont think so, you are just doubting Bioware since its no longer locked into the 360
MS owns ME1. Its only through some fluke, some lazy MS lawyer, that EA and Bioware have this chance to bring the title over to the PS3. We just have to wait and see the result. Edit: Uh? Are you sure you're responding to the right comment? Not only am I really confused about what's fanboyish about my comment, but if you look at my profile you'll see that I only have a PS3 gamer tag.
your response is just typical of a sour single console 360 owner...excuse me if I am wrong... once again, BW has the talent as we all know to make a great story..as we have seen on the 360.. doubting that now just shows you are just upset about another title going multi.. so all of a sudden BW cant tell a story... how frigging transparent can a fanboy be
I've been around and sparred with Godmars long enough to know it is not even close to a 360 fanboy. Sometimes a comment is just a comment.
Would love to know how my comment is even close to fanboyism.
Why can't we filter on 'news'-items with a questionmark at the end ?
Only because its a Year old game and its a rpg... which is not that big right now... Its too little too late for MASS EFFECT 2, I think this year was boring due to a lack of games and if it was released during the summer it could have sole around 2 million... But if you think PS3 gamers will buy this game in the millions when GT5, LBP2, DEAD SPACE 2 AND KILLZONE 3 right around the corner... You are 7 kinds of stupid! any game coming out next year without multiplayer will flop... even gow3 did not sell on the ps3 and it is going to win game of the year!
Gow3 and ME2 both sold 3 million copies...so tell me how is that bad?those are huge numbers for two games that arent fps titles
introductory module is. what if that module actually is the first Mass Effect? heh, but it's nice to dream...
i played ME on the 360 and the PC and will triple dip into the ps3 version..
How the hell is it being short changed when its teh full game + more?
becuase people want to create an angle to spit on the ps3 fans.. might as well say the 360 got short changed with devil may cry, final fantasy series, etc etc etc.. at least the ps3 gets an intro module
return of the jedi was the 3rd one the 2nd was empire strikes back
Probably, Tolkien was a rambler. I think the council of elron lasted 25-30 pages, just to come to "Alright, we'll walk to mordor". Also, I'm ignoring the laughable attempt to compare Mass Effect's story and writing to Fellowship of the Ring, which hasn't gone out of style since it was first published in 1954... who played MA1 any more?
Right before Mass Effect 2 came out. Mainly to sure up all the relationships and get the crew I wanted for part 2. Everything you did in part 1, led to a "Mass Effect" as in what happens.
Bottom line is, Mass Effect is a trilogy. Every decision you made in Mass Effect 1 is carried over, you chose who lived and who dies on your crew, you had relationship's to choose, good side or bad side, side quests, everything you did had a "Mass Effect" on the outcome. Jumping into the middle of a trilogy is just not right. It short changes PS3 people and really makes no sense. It'd be like 360 people getting God OF War 3. I mean you'd have no clue what was going on and honestly you'd probably not enjoy the game as much because of that.
I played ME1 one.. never finished it....bought ME2 and finished it... to me it didnt matter not finishing the first
Apparently you are an ADD action junkie who doesn't give a darn about the storyline.
while every decision is carried over no 360 or pc player got short changed by playing me2 and not me1.. its just a richer experience if you did..
I loved the mass effect series and the big reason was the way stories go together. It will be very tough to deliver the same experience on the ps3 without the original to set it up. I have confidence it will be a great game on the ps3 and when mass effect 3 hits then this won't be an issue sincee ps3 will be up to speed story wise and ready for the great gameplay but masseffect 2 without one will be tough but if anyone can do it right on the ps3 its bioware and I hope they give all of my fellow gamers that have not played it the time of there lives. :)
I think so. This isn't a statement in fanboyism about 360 being better or whatever but I think that a recap isn't enough. PS3 only gamers won't get the full experience. Mass Effect 1 is a great game and i figure if ME2 is going multiplat, then Mass Effect 1 should too. I'm not a fanboy I own both consoles so it doesn't matter to me, but I think that the PS3 only gamers dropping their 60 dollars will be short changed because they don't have that same investment in the character with it's experience, abilities, and the emotional investment in the story.
Yeah they're being short changed. But they can do something about it...spend 10 bucks and pick up the first Mass Effect for the PC, much better than the 360 version. They won't be disappointed, at least with the story and universe. They should at least least read a book or 2. Otherwise ME 2 is just an action packed shooter (not that it's a bad thing)but it will lose alot of it's depth.
ME1 story explained in a module with maybe a few choices to make will be enough, from someone who beat ME1 once(horrible gameplay problems) and ME2 multiple times(excellent gameplay) its not a loss to not drive that god awful Mako around barren planets to visit copy and paste base no.20 just to advance the plot. The choices made in ME1 will affect ME2 in key spots but mostly ascetically as most will be just there to reference the first game decision without any affecting the gameplay and a few affecting the story. Just have a few choices in maybe a minigame or something and people will not miss it at all.
Played the first on Xbox 360, played the start of ME2 on PC. But didn't finish it. Couldn't really care less about save state imports and stuff. ME's story is good enough on it's own.
no becuase mass effect 2 isnt being priced higher then other games. and many have said its still a brilliant game without being able to carry over your player from the first game. i would rather play 1 then 2 but no xbox and non gaming pc means i cant but ME2 is still day 1 for me becuase people on the xbox and pc rate it so highly
that the "introductory module" will be an expanded version of the "quiz" Jacob and Miranda give you at the beginning of the game to see if your personality and memories are intact. It could work quite well in bringing new players up to speed.
Of course you're right but they'll never REALLY know what an awesome guy you are
You can buy the 360 version for 15 pound in England, the PS3 version better be a similar price or it's a massive rip off.
nice to see an hour long cgi intro of wot happen in the first lol
God this question was done to death months ago. If you have a PS3, you'd want to have either a 360 or a PC as well (Or both of course) so just get the first game on one of those platforms. It's not exactly expensive these days. And if your PC's rubbish, get a 360 for christmas, cause' they're also cheap enough (for a christmas present.)All this is presuming you care enough.
What about the people that don't give a rat's a$$ about playing Mass Effect 1 before Mass Effect 2? The developers themselves have said that ME2 stands as a self contained story regardless of any overall 3 game arc they might have in mind. It stands alone. It STANDS...ALONE. Like Godsmack.
microsoft should release this game for free on xbox live right before it goes on sale for ps3. that should give sony and ea a black eye!
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