“We’re really close, but this was an executive decision that was made yesterday,” said Taku Imasaki, the North American producer for Gran Turismo 5, in a phone interview. “Realistically, we thought we had a good date. We’re not happy over here.”
They even delayed the announcement of the delay?? :P (I'm kidding of course) There isn't much people can do now. I hope they give us a reason. Right now it's "they want to create a perfect experience". Now, I assume every good developer has this expectation and I know of many who have made, what IMO, are (near) perfect experiences in much shorter time. You may say that GT5 is much more ambitious, but I have to say that some of the games others have made had much less people and less funding yet they managed to make ambitious games. I'm not exactly sure why GT5 requires so much time, I do get concerned that there is a hidden reason when I see a delay 20 days from launch. I'm not that majorly upset because I was never a huge fan of the game, but I know of die-hard GT fans that are majorly pissed. And I'm glad to see people not blindly defending the delay. Sometimes enough is enough, and though I respect the desire to make a perfect game I do think that toying the patience of the community comes at a price. Never dangle a carrot in front of a donkey because eventually he will kick. I worry that if the game isn't perfect it's going to get a lot of backlash over even the tiniest of flaws.
It's somewhat easier when you have complete creative freedom, like the games you've listed. Modelling 1000 cars to the millimetre, their handling, breaking, acceleration characteristics takes time (a LOT of time). Recreating 20+ tracks exactly. etc etc. This takes a huge amount of time, a huge amount of resources. Do you realise the amount of red tape that has to be completed when dealing with other company IP? It's easy to criticise when you dont really understand the volume of work.
But does it really take THAT much time to do all that? My comparisons may be too unfair to use, you are right that GT5 is a game based on simulating real life and not making a free game. Honestly I don't care ultimately for the delay, it's the fact that they dangled it in front of fans for so long, and then, with only 20 days left, they delay it. I just wish they gave us a good reason because it just seems suspicious to do. I doubt it's for marketing purposes, but at the same time, what could delay it for just a month? People were more OK with a 6 month delay or a longer delay because it meant there was more to be added, but a one month delay doesn't make much sense to me. There were bugs in the latest build, and maybe it's for issues like that. Regardless, my complaints may not mean much since I've never been a big fan. I'm not trying to antagonize anybody, but I'm just trying to say that the situation could have been handled better.
well, alpha polyphony said each premium car took something like 180 days to build. Have you seen those cars? And its not just the looks. They try and make the driving experience feel like the car in real life. All of this, everything in the game theyre trying to replicate perfectly from real life. That takes more time and research then most games where they make whatever they wanna make But i totally agree with the anger of this delay. Its just a little bit ridiculous now
I don't think they have a good reason (from a fan perspective)to delay the game or they would have given it to us. I am not happy but what can you do? I waited this long and I'll be damned if I am not going to be there day one and that is part of why I am mad. PD knows that its fans will buy it anyway after waiting this long. Loyalty like that should not be abused.
***But does it really take THAT much time to do all that? *** Not to defend PD or anything, but if you're developing to match real-world elements specific to existing items, it does tend to take a lot more time. Other racing games that aren't necessarily attempting to match real-world specifications don't need to worry about the physics of each element as it is designed in the real world and can just fluff it up. Nor do they have to worry about the differences between what tires are being used or the struts being used and so on. If GT5 really is matching real-world items to the physics of their world, it will take a much longer time to get this done in a manner that reflects its real-world implementation. There's also a lot more graphical work involved in texture creation and sizing. Going from 14" rims to 17" rims and on top of that designating the type of tire/tread. Again, not to say that this is why they've extended the release date, but if the game truly reflects real-world physics I can definitely see how it would take a lot more time than a game where you can create the physics of the world based on real-world experience but not intended to match it in any way.
Dude, they delayed GT5? No way. No fucking way. Oh my god :(
The problem is, many devs manage to pull off an extraordinary amount of work in far less time. The other issue is that PD have their priorities mixed up! Make a functional game FIRST, then worry about modelling cars to the millimetre. Nobody is going to CARE if a car is a millimetre out, so long as it drives mostly realistically and is fun. You know, who cares that such and such a corner is 1 degree sharper in RL? It's unneccesary detail that might be nice to have, but doesn't justify a buggy game and an extra delay.
as much as i hate it as well this is all about $ most people buy stuff within a week of the release date.. they will make more money by releasing the game in december that it will in november.. $ talks
But all of the 1000 cars, all of the 180 days spent on each Premium car, all of that should/must already be done. It explains why it took 5 years but not why it got pushed back with just 20 days to go.
200 cars x 180 days is 36,000 divide that by 365 days and you get 99 years worth of work. Lol so you take that and figure it out to 40 cars a year over 5 years. The studio only has 110 employees according to their website. So basically 1/5 of their studio was designing just premium cars for the past 5 years. Guess that explains what's taking so long. Haha
il try to make things clear from a business perspective. Sony is getting ready to launch their 3D tvs...the delay of GT5 is pure business strategy.why? because it is the perfect game to be shown in 3D booths next to the 3D tvs...you pick up GT5, and u experience it fully in 3D, ur more likely to buy the 3D tv with it...GT5 is essentially an advertisement for their 3D tvs...you cant argue with Sony on that one, their a business, and their doing whats best for the company.
Fck!(*while slamming head on desk*)
It takes more time because its a simulation, not an original unique game based on fantasy. If you're trying to recreate real life things, i'd imagine that takes more time and effort to perfect then, okami for example. Youre criticised on how true to life and real your game is. Okami isnt going to be criticised for not being real enough cos it has a wolf that likes to paint pictures i see the disagrees flooding in. cmon then, tell me why im wrong....
I think you are wrong because if you model stuff after real life things(in this case real cars) you have specs from the manufacturers to go by. And also, Polyphony have already been through a similar process 4 times before this game. It isn't the first time they make a racing simulator, you know.
You automatically lose bubbles if you don't like GT on this site. I'm lucky they delayed it, I wouldn't have been able to get the game until the 20th in anyway. So I would just be being teased. Although that's not the case for most people, seriously what changes in the game can they do within 20 days?
The martyr complex is always good for a chuckle.
They just don't want consumers to hold on to their wallet just for black ops. I guess Sony assumes that sales will slowdown for Black Ops by then and it wouldn't really affect GT.
I love how people latch on to one side and pretend to be victims. If you go into a Halo article thinking you can offer criticism even if it is constructive then you have not been here very long. Fans take their fandom seriously.
i am so close to not buying GT5 its not even funny, and the fact that i've been a long supporter of the series hurts me to say that there's only so many previews and gameplay vids i can see of a game in 4 years i just wanna play it, its becoming a joke now didn't PD say the game was 90% done last year ? what have they been doing for a year ?
(this is MY comment that i wrote in a different article, and this comment is for you and to everyone who acts like him) "lol you guys act like little girls. omg!!! it got delayed!!! i hate my life! im not gonna buy it anymore!! lol. chill, there's hundreds and hundreds of games out there to keep you company."
then don't....nothing in the world will change if you don't @ iPad yep... I'm cool with this, because I planned on getting it for xmas, however I do understand if people are upset. but deciding NOT TO BUY IT and then letting everyone know about it = hilariously pathetic
Theey did say 90% done last year. They were suppose to come out and compete with Forza but that team has released 2 times since then and I bet they will release a 3rd one before GT5 comes out.
I don't want to shout any upset fans down. I am right there with you but I seriously think that not buying is "cutting your nose off to spite your face" I mean you could wait 5 or 6 years to play it or never play it at all. Not playing GT5 isn't an option for me at this point. Really pisses me off that they have me by the short and curlies.
They probably just discovered a few bugs that needed ironing out. Hopefully it's the last delay and we see it before christmas.
so many of you defending them saying its only been one delay, made them feel like they would be fine to delay it again. This is why I say, it is not good to defend these companies, we as consumers need to demand only the best treatment from them, you act like a bunch of brain washed zombies and they will treat you like it, now make a stink about this people, Sony is way too nonchalant about disappointing its customers. The fact that once again, after 6 years in development, GT5 STILL does not have a release date, shows what they think of you.
They probably don't have enough copies. It would make sense.. Russia says they can't get their hands on any GT5's... preorders stopped for many sites days before hand saying "sold out."
"Sony’s reason this time is that Gran Turismo’s creator, Kazunori Yamauchi, and his developers team at Polyphony Digital “want to make certain they are creating the perfect racing experience.” “We’re really close, but this was an executive decision that was made yesterday,” said Taku Imasaki, the North American producer for “Gran Turismo 5,” in a phone interview. “Realistically, we thought we had a good date. We’re not happy over here.” Well... blame Halo Reach 4,000,000 on 1st day for this. They are just afraid to have a less number on 1st day. yesterday http://www.youtube.com/watc... @ below SUPER MEGA LOL!!!!
We get it. You're super excited about sales. My favorite games of all times didn't have stellar sales, but I guess it's cool if you feel comforted by the fact that you are doing what everyone else is. Congratulations for winning a popularity contest?
I hope my nightmare does not come true.....
I just came from pre-ordering this game and then I see this article. I think it's more of a marketing strategy so people will be more aware that it's coming out.
We'll find a way to carry on. We've been waiting this long. I think the initial phase of shock then anger is wearing off for me. Next is understanding. Make me understand PD.
This game is doing things a GeForce 7900GT (the GPU on which the PS3 is based) is not supposed to do. The resolution, frame-rate and sheer quality of the visuals seemingly defies the laws of physics. With such a bleeding edge engine running such a complex game on such complex hardware, there's bound to be some surprise bugs here and there. While I doubt they'll eliminate them all together, they surely wouldn't want too many videos similar to these on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Yeah I'm pissed. Still buying it though. :p
3 months each to take photos of the premium cars.
Three full AAA racing games from Turn10 since Gran Turismo 4 was released on PS2. Will Forza 4 come out before GT5? PSP games and Prologues don't count.
@tplarkin7, "PSP games and Prologues don't count." Why not? In that case, Forza games don't count, just because I said so. I dont think any Forza game really competes with GT so therefore none of the games to me count as a competitor. Things like the modeling detail, lighting, 16 cars on track at once, track editor, sheer number of cars and tracks, dynamic weather and day-night cycle... Forza just isn't nearly on the same level. When they have the equivalent of GT Academy I might consider it - the huge international competitions are proof that GT is much more than a game - It's the racing experience as accurate as they strive to make it. Have fun re-buying Forza 3 in the "Ultimate edition" form just to get some DLC which is unavailable for you to pay for, even though you gladly (and blindly) would. EDIT: Since you lack any more bubbles, I would love for you to PM me a response - I'm looking for a laugh this morning.
ROFLMFAO! I almost spit out my water bottle(Yes! my water bottle) laughing at this. TGSI
This is exciting regardless! I'm dying to play this and no amount of delays will stop me from it.
"Right now it's "they want to create a perfect experience". " Every developer knows that the word "perfect" doesn't exist within their realm. Cause in the end they will always say that things could be done differently. Even though i'm not going to play this game. I do agree however. Im kinda surprised its taking them this long. By now they should at least have editors for almost everything. But then again, modeling a car could take time...
is going to be delayed, but I can wait for a few weeks. I'm a patient man, and to make the wait more bearable, I deleted my GT5P and GT PSP save games and start playing it again from scratch.
Oh man, this is a shame but I probably wouldnt have been buying it on release anyway. Fallout is out next week so that will be my big time sink for about a month
Oh, if it's a demand issue, then I guess Sony doesn't really care if people do cancel their preoders because there are going to be people with money "by then" to fill those cancellations by simply walking into any retail stores.
Wishful thinking there? Or do you truly believe millions of people are going to cancel their preorders because of the game's first official delay in the West? GT is just one of those gaming franchises, like Halo and Pokemon, that sell millions. The series has gotten along quite well without my money; I've never bought or played a GT game. A few nerds canceling preorders because they can't wait a little extra time will be like a rock tossed into the ocean.
And there i was thinkin MR PS3 woke up this mornin and decided 2 delay GT5 just like that, i bet they knew weeks ago that theyd change the release date
dude, even I kinda knew it since we never heard about GT5 going gold...
you can thank call of duty for the delay
Call of Duty can go to hell.
it's like buying a game with yours eyes closed. Really can't stand the franchise or the genre itself.
I don't think GT has any reason to fear CoD. They are two entirely different games for two entirely different audiences. I also don't think Sony would selfishly seek to maximize holiday profits for GT5 at the expense of pissing off the community like this. Maybe they have a hidden feature, maybe there is a serious internal issue, maybe they want to add finishing touches. I just wish they have a straight answer.
^^if it's not Black Ops then I really don't know what is. There are millions of people out there and how do we know that GT is only designed for that "specific audience" you speak of. Just look at the preorder chart for god sakes. Look at how Black Ops goes off the chart.
yea just delay call of duty and see how they react.
There would be riots..... I agree with PirateThom, CoD may be ONE of the reasons for the delay, but its not the only one Im sure.
I can't see them delaying it because of that. Personally I think COD is only popular because people all want to be in the in crowd. People all want to let others know that they are playing that, and to not play it means your not cool. Yes I know sounds a bit crazy right. Take a look at the Iphone, the Ipad. Yes they may be great devices in their own right. But do you really think everyone has one just because they are great...or more so because its a keeping up with the joneses type of thing. Same with Starbucks: You ever notice how people go there to read, or use their laptops to write their "novels"...seriously . Only so people can see them. Its all and ego based thing. COD: same way...we now that no one really gives a crap about the sp of the game. Why, because it's all about the MP. Bragging rights, being the first to do something, getting all those kills, being Uber. WOW: is a perfect example as well. I play the hell out of this game by the way. But Being Uber/Leet is not an agenda of mine. So...that being said COD is going to sell regardless and if Sony is trying to defend against that with any game, they are going to have to push that game roughly 2 months before or after COD. COD is going to sell in the millions, but take into account its also going to be on multiple platforms. GT5 is going to sell millions as well, and its on one platform. But also add that its also a racing game. The pinnacle of racing but still a racing game. I have no doubt COD will sell more, but GT5 is legend, COD is a fad. Not saying the game won't be good, but there is suddenly a shift from what is good and what is "in" with this series.
I never thought of that one, but could be. I've preordered both
Is that Gears of War 3 excuse???
Gran Turismo franchise is quite popular, why would they be afraid to release it alongside COD? No one knows for sure, though. The more annoying thing is when final expectations are not being met, e.g. delays, especially after waiting so long.
I bet $100 that GT5 don't come out this year.
You're on! I'll happily accept $100 in either the form of Steam games or PSN cash! If you win, I'll give you bubs everytime I see your comments for 2 months. You'd better not chicken out or a fist full of negativity will come to do some bursting ;)
I don't care about bubs. You got to offer something better.
100 bucks vs bubbles on N4G? you people way over value an opinion of this site =P just do it the same both ways: he wins, you give HIM 100 bucks worth. sounds fair no? tbh, I'd bet it IS released this year, goldPS3 you going to be 100 bucks poor by the end of november
$100 it is!
From what I think of here's why the delay was made: -Needed time to fix technical glitches that was found during game shows demo. -A clever marketing to avoid Kinect launch window. -Or a trick to tick people off before, "Its release on the week before Christmas." Still at least we have a launch window instead of the usual "delay, no time frame." Can't wait til I play the definitive driver sim.
Very well said sir.You forgot the call fo duty one.Sony is smart to delay the game.WHY? you ask ! I'll tell you why,think about it people,why would they release the biggest ps3 game this year against KINECT and then call of duty the week after and then assassins creed,need for speed hot pursuit the week after that. Thats stupid.It's alot about money.Best time to release gt5 is december. Similar things happened to Alan Wake and Mod nation racers . Very good games with crappy sales !
Id have to disagree on a couple notes. AC, and need for speed are no competition. Your going to have to release the game sometime. But it would be wise to release the game during a time where people are out looking for "games" for the holiday season. Christmas block is the best time to release for this. Black Friday...a PS3 bundle/GT5. If COD delayed until this same time I think there would still be no competition. Simply because with GT5 you know what you know to know you want the game. I don't know how to explain it other than, you don't go to bestbuy for example to choose between GT5 and COD. You go because you know you already chose one or the other. So its like, if you've already sided with Gran Tourismo and you see COD standing on the shelf right beside it your going to glance at it and still pick up GT5. Simply because you already know you wanted it.
theres to many games coming out, kinect and move havent really started, cod is coming out and tons of multiplat games all in the next month and a half. do you really think they want to throw the best racing game ever made out there with the risk of losing sales. this is the best thing they can do, whoever's bright idea it was to release 3000000 games between oct and nov is a moron. and each year they continue to do it instead of spreading the games properly throughouyt the year, this cause big top tier games like gt5 to have to fiddle wih release dates.
...bubs to u... and I must add, in these times, not everybody can afford buying two games in a time frame of 10 days or 2 weeks... no big foreseeable release for Xmas... big money for Xmas... if GT5 has millions of sellings in november, in xmas they will multiply...
the reason why they release like this has something to do with summer not being a prime sell time. So winter is when everyone is indoors...what do people do indoor...lol besides that. Why they play a crap load of video games. Add onto this family and friends getting together during the holidays, which less face it starts around the end of October. There you go a sure fire strategy.