Gaming Age writes: "I tell you, the look on my face must have been comical. I sat there on my couch getting ready to play the new Red Dead Redemption Liars and Cheats pack with a huge smile on my face. The add-on was going to give me so much more multiplayer fun that I couldn't help but be ecstatic. Then, as I sat there my face began to change. The longer I played, the more my face fell; until all that remained was a scowl. I was disappointed".
Game Informer highlights the defining games of the last generation, selecting the best of the best titles.
TLOU 2 - Top Tier = xD
I'd like to formally introduce myself as Joe, Yeah I'm the guy that killed ya dad, please don't kill me in this situation.
#suspension of disbelief killed
+My opinion is my own, thanks. =)
Aside from a few plot holes, what about the technical side? The combat? The motion capture? The animations? The graphics?
This is the best game this generation in terms of all of those.
You don't lose your sense of self, his character type In 2 doesn't match his overall character from 1.
You don't go from "precautious>zero awareness" that plot hole In killing 1 character wasn't something minor.
The game delivers from a visual/technical standpoint, and yeah, plotholes come and go In many shapes and sizes, but this wasn't the side quest story, the first game was built upon the relationship with Joel & Ellie. Joel basically wasn't Joel In the 2nd game, you don't just forget your survival instincts unless the writers from S8 GoT jumped aboard.
He hasn't even played the game so he wouldn't know.
"Watched Mutahar live on YT and It's basically more of the same from 2013".
"... they've not evolved the gameplay, you CANNOT say they've evolved the fucking gameplay, It's basically £55 Interactive movie."
"Won't say any more on this TLOU2 crap. Saved myself on this so I can get Ghost of Tsushima Instead, ./bows out =)"
No way TLOU2 is GOTG... It's very clear that it's between The Witcher 3 and God of War. I'd say, God of War win as the best pound by pound game, and the Witcher as the overall 100+ hour experience.
Bloodborne
Splatoon
God of War
Driveclub
Days Gone
Blood and Truth
Tsushima
Xenoblade X
This is some of the best I played this gen
The most unlikely video made me see TLoU 2 in a different way
https://youtu.be/bh5gzGs-63...
So this guy Kaii is here to tell us the game is crap... and he hasnt even played it!.... ok thats some disingenuous bs man.
What I saw, personally, was a game with top notch everything, yes, the story, character buildup, setting, everything. The story was admittedly more mature than some would like considering games are bought by people of all ages. The story of this game took story telling to a new height in gaming. Im sure there are others like it but this was unique. When I finished, i thought to myself that ND deserved praise for sticking to the story that THEY wanted to tell KNOWING that some individuals would be left behind for being too young or otherwise not mature enough intellectually to enjoy it. ND simply trusted that the majority of the fan base has grown since they played the original and delivered a game that was aimed at them. Personally, I give them kudos.
Carrying on from your "Joel isn't the same character" perspective... he's not you are right.
However 4 years have passed and he and Ellie have both been living in Jackson relatively peacefully. Joel was the way he was in the first game because he was used to living rough, no community and everyone was out to get every one else.
He let his guard down too much.
Nuance is not apart of their thought process. They're justifying a preconception. I'm not even a big fan of TLOU2, my gripe is about the level design more than anything. But from jump they tried to make it about some trans thing, then it turned out Abby wasn't trans so they started going off about Joel, now it's just about how the game didn't connect on the same level as the last game or some other amorphous bullshit mixed with trolling.
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So I'm wrong?
I didn't say the game wasn't visually impressive, I mentioned 1 key plothole and you bring up something I said In the past, how the fudge is that relevant, I assume I have to now play through a depressive simulator for hrs to form an opinion?
Was Joel depressed or on medication before he was speaking to that group? do I need more or less context? TLOU 1 In 2013 had Heart, TLOU 2 was made and I'll C/P a comment I think describes it best by a Japanese reviewer, "it’s a story about right and wrong, written by people who think they’re always right"
That's all I say In regards to this topic, ./bows out
"you bring up something I said In the past, how the fudge is that relevant ..." Because the thing you said is that you didn't even play the game. That's extremely relevant.
"I assume I have to now play through a depressive simulator for hrs to form an opinion?" Pretty much. You actually have to play a game to experience it, especially if you're going to mockingly challenge the opinion of someone who did actually play it.
If I assert that Breath Of The Wild is mediocre and overrated, and dismiss it as an annoying "Weapon Degradation Simulator" (so I know a common complaint) when I haven't even played the game, then my opinion isn't worth very much. I can appreciate certain aspects of the game and take note of some flaws from looking at some gameplay but I've never truly experienced it.
Btw, you've already said that you would stop talking about TLOU2 so I doubt that this is all you're going to say "in regards to this topic."
I don't need to experience gameplay when my issue with TLOU 2 was a plot hole, you dumpster dive into 106 Days worth of previous comments to gain what?
>"you've already said that you would stop talking about TLOU2 so I doubt that this is all you're going to say "in regards to this topic"
What I said 100+ Days ago "Won't say any more on this TLOU2 crap. Saved myself on this so I can get Ghost of Tsushima Instead, ./bows out =)"
We're now into the future and I'm banned from GoTy topics? :O I'm critical on what some could call the most critical point In the game, some could say the most diverse point In the game, you don't even attempt the discussion on my talking points, you didn't have to dumpster dive on my previous feelings on this game, I made them known In the very 1st comment in this post, Joels Introduction to his would-be killers, but SOMEHOW I needed to play the game to that point to fully understand the situation, no? He had a pro-derp moment, he suddenly in this apocalyptic world forgot that humans aren't that nice
Also BOTW - Is weapon degradation gameplay or story? Gameplay
TLOU 2 - Is a cutscene story or gameplay-related? Story
" when I haven't even played the game, then my opinion isn't worth very much"
Exactly, Opinions =D Somehow my Story related issue with this game brought you out, but ofc as someone who played the first game I obviously have no right or justification in how characters are portrayed In the future. I do so humbly apologize, I will leave now. Thanks =)
So your basically saying what everyone else is saying: you're opinion is shit.
What's left to argue about?
Also, since when did plot holes stop people from playing games?
This Kaii guy sure is clueless. Doesn’t know how to formulate a coherent argument. Never actually played the game & speaks on it like he’s an expert. Continues to say that’s all he’s going to say on the matter, yet continues to talk nonsense....
Yeah.....enjoy spouting off on your opinion like you somehow think it’s fact. Game of the generation IMO is between Last of Us 2, Witcher 3 & God of War.
You must not of played the first game. You act as if joel was a compkete loner with a lack of trust in virtually everyone. Joel LITERALLY trusted Sam & Henry within 2 minutes of their first interaction..right after joel said "i was trying to kill you" after henry grabbed him. That was durring joel's PEAK paranoia and distrust of other humans as he was willing to do anything to save ellie( i.e kill an entire "militia" and screw over humanity). He also trusted Bill who WAS exacrly that- a paranoid loner. Yet, you say he was a completely different character? That's bs. you clearly never played the game. joel has been comfortable for 4 years. He and tommy were both in charge of taking in/recruiting other survivors outside of jackson which is referenced multiple times in checkpoint logs and conversations between joel + tommy. It makes sense for joel to naturally want to help abby while she was in distress..she was a young girl who looked terrified, alone. Joel could have easily seen ellie in her and the natural instinct was to help which is what he was ALREADY IN CHARGE OF - RECRUITING SURVIVORS. shocker. Don't get me started on the name bs. Abby was in shock and tommy gave them their names to calm her down to snap out of it so they could escape. You act as if no great plot has conveniences lmao.
Can I respect the fact that your the 2nd person to actually acknowledge and critique my point, ty.
That's all that had to happen In this thread, but ya can't have nice things >.>
@Kaii
If Joel was this amazing survivor that great instincts, why during the first game did he choose to drive through the Pittsburgh QZ where it was guaranteed that he would be ambushed by the survivors living in the city? Common sense would tell everyone not to go into the cities in a post-apocalyptic world. Hell, even now everyone knows it is quicker to go around a city than through it and all we have to deal with is traffic.
I'd just like to point out that someone's used bots again and spammed any remotely positive comment about TLOU2 with dislikes and vice versa. The ratio of likes and dislikes is completely different now, yet there hasn't been a big rise in traffic. I've spotted this happening multiple times on N4G now.
You can see as you go further down through the replies to your comment that he/she forgot to click "Show More Replies" to spam the remaining comments. There's a lot comments marked as Spam because someone made a new account and ... spammed awful comments about Naughty Dog. Losers.
These are exactly the top 5 games I would have chosen as best of the best this generation had to offer.
I just want to make everyone aware that someone's used bots again and spammed any remotely positive comment about TLOU2 with dislikes and vice versa. The ratio of likes and dislikes is completely different now, yet there hasn't been a big rise in traffic. I've spotted this happening multiple times on N4G.
You can see as you go further down the thread of replies under the initial comment that he/she didn't click "Show More Replies" and forgot to spam them. There's a lot comments marked as Spam because someone made a new account to ... spam awful comments about Naughty Dog. Losers.
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A bad game that resulted in multiple clones/inspired games such as Oceanhorn 2, Yonder: The Cloud Catcher, Decay of Logos, Windbound, Immortal Fenyx Rising, and the recently released Genshin Impact.
Not bad for a “bad” game.
Awful weapon degradation and combat. Empty open world. Lackluster “dungeons” . Nonexistent story.
Best thing about the game? The climbing system I guess, and that was even annoying because it always seemed to rain while doing so and I would slide all the way down the mountain constantly.
Most disappointing game I’ve ever played due to the praise it received.
Mario odyssey was a much better game.
Top Tier:
- The Last of Us Part II
- The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
- Red Dead Redemption II
- The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
- God of War
I think their list is very fair, tbh. Sure, there are games that were very good and fun this gen like Spider-Man but these are the most important games from the gen, at least from a single-player perspective.
Oh look at Game the year list, let make an article about it.
Seems pretty easy to write something nowadays. Interesting...
I just dont see TLOU 2 as an -important- game, i dont see what queues and inspirations will be carried from that game to the next gen. The first game definitely had that impact, but the sequel doesnt. Its funny, i feel like the only person who just thinks TLOU 2 is a good game, but nothing more or less.
I would agree with the rest of your list, but add Prey!!
Todays deal on Xbox Live is geared towards owners of Red Dead Redemption. Sure, the game may be on sale for $29.99 (from $39.99) but you can pick up the Game of the Year Edition in stores for around that price so there’s no reason to buy the stand alone game. Instead, take a look at the DLC that is on sale.
I'd buy it. But then I realize that it's been on sale for practically every other week since GTAV was announced.
Following the revelation of the official box art design for the forthcoming Red Dead Redemption Game of the Year Edition last week, Electronic Theatre has endeavoured to secure further details of the retail release. Today, it has been confirmed that the latest version of the critically acclaimed Red Dead Redemption will launch at a budget price point in the UK.
I sold my copy without even getting 1/4 of the way, so I'm gonna pick this up for sure with all the included DLC :D
Might aswell wait for ALL big games to re-release their goty/ultimate/complete editions next year for a cheaper price. I can bet it will happen to Battlefield 3, Arkham City, LANoire, Assassin's Creed: Revelations, and a WHOLE bunch more.
