Microsoft has claimed that Kinect's launch can be bigger than that of every console in history - including Xbox 360 itself.
As interesting as Kinect looks, I highly doubt that.
I get the feeling if this fails then microsoft's gaming division will be feeling the pinch for a few years to come.
and make a new prediction just like sony does but of course Phil Spencer is a PR guy, so he's going to hype Kinect as if its the greatest thing since slice bread and everybody wants to taste the bread. In the same interview he seemed to be more realistic with this final statement: "You forecast, you hope, you do your best, right? You ship something. I know my manager, Don Mattrick, was quoted saying a holiday target of over 3 million. "I think about it in a bigger way than that. Not that Don's wrong; that's the number that he stated, but a lot has to happen in order for us to have success. Our content partners have to ship great games, our retail partners have to be there with us, our marketing has to be there in a very impactful way." JOY
couldnt have said it better
And there you have the problems with the ps3. No matter what a fanboys says Sony needs third party games bad.1st party is getting awards but not sales that push new systems. He is talking like they are launching this stuff with out having all of these things in place. Being first does not matter being fun does.
Ok really microsoft its going to be that big so there you have it core gamers your money for new Ip's and studio's have gone on Developing Kinect and Launching/Advertising it A few months ago i really loved my xbox but it does seem as if microsoft have lost there way
I wouldn't doubt it, but Microsoft is likely to lose a lot more money on Kinect in their first few months, even year, due to how much money they're spending on marketing the heck out of it. Kinect isn't going to win because of the technology, though, it's going to win because Microsoft is going to advertise the hell out of it. If this does fail, I would expect to see more than a few heads roll over at Microsoft since the shareholders didn't like the concept to begin with and wanted them to switch back to just supporting the 360 console with games and other software.
Losing money is par for the course when launching a product. You think Sony made money off of developing the PS3? You don't think Sony used their money from game sales to make Sports Champion? Nintendo is currently losing money as they ramp up for the 3DS. It's common business
Yeah, but we're talking huge losses. Not just those from R&D, but those from an extremely extensive and costly marketing. That's why I think their overall revenue will see a loss. I wasn't talking about just losing money on Kinect, but so much that they wouldn't see a profit at the end of the year.
but you have to take into account that the Kinect tech is not only for the 360 but MS is looking to implement it in other devices as well. Kinect could just be a testing ground for what MS has in plan for Kinect tech. I dont think the 360 sales will dtermine if the tech was a failure or not.
Very hard for them to implement their tech into other devices. The concept is based on standing away from a device and software that reads the data received and performs various calculations on it. I just don't see where this would be viable considering the extreme costs in creating something that's even close to being capable of matching surface touch technology already out there. Specifically the ability to accurate read gestures at the hand-level for manipulating data in real time. The Kinect technology is the most basic of gestures, and is actually primarily a tracking tool in most games and not dynamically responsive to said gestures, and has the delay of having to be captured and then processed for the action being made. Surface touch technology is immediate and can detect the specific gestures of a person's finger/hand already and offers a portable technology solution. I think Kinect is too big of an investment on Microsoft's end for it to fail. I also don't think the sales will be bad, in fact more than likely much better than Move. But, there's always the chance that it could fail.
Nintendo lost 100million? That is nothing. You are acting like it is the billions Sony lost. Sorry but it's easy to understand 1 quarter having a loss when launching a new product. You do understand it is more than R&D? They are buying the pieces to put millions of 3DS together so they are ready for launch. You really think that is something cheap? Just pretend its Sony that lost 100 million. Maybe if you got the hate out of your system you could use some common sense to figure things out. Of course most of you would agree if it were Sony and billions of dollars but its Nintendo so that 100 million is going to be treated like a trillion in the eyes of the haters
I think Kinect will be a huge success. The thing is, the average consumer doesn't read up articles on the hardware online, they don't see videos and hands-on reports that the tech doesn't work correctly or that there aren't really any games. All the average consumer will see for Kinect is the advertising campaign which Microsoft will no doubt have a lot of cash to spend on, and that's what will see its success at the end of the day. No doubt there will be a lot of buyers remorse when people realize that it doesn't work as advertised, but it will sell a tremendous amount regardless. I mean this is the same company that released a broken console, sold millions, and then got everybody who purchased it within the first year to go out and buy the console a second time (be it an Elite or a Slim). They're absolute geniuses at selling products, and I'm positive that they will have all of those exact same people lining up to buy Kinect. It's a guaranteed success.
I wouldn't call them 'absolute geniuses at selling products'. I'd call the people who have purchased several of the consoles idiots for supporting a company who clearly didn't value their customers enough to treat them to a quality product. Kinect may do well simply because Microsoft will do what Microsoft is good at, and that is advertising. Clearly if they pump enough money into that, they will reach the masses who have been proven in the past to not read up or be knowledgeable on many purchases and merely get it because they saw it on TV. I'm not saying everyone falls into this category but many do when it comes to electronics. The problem with Kinect is that from all the videos it just doesn't look good, lags etc. Word of mouth will eventually kill the product if it doesn't live up to expectations.
The average casual consumer wont spend $200 on a system and then buy a $150 piece of equipment to play a game where your bouncing balls or driving a car with no controller. Thats not including the price of games.
what it will sell 25 million plus like wii did what ever Microsoft bosses chat some good old shit wow only the Wii2 will be bigger than wii and Iwata wants people to know it will leave your mouths open
Only time will tell, who would have thought that the wii would be a success or even the PS1 back in the day Developer support, marketing and a bit of luck will decide Kinects fate, not a minority bunch of pissed of core gamers who dont like the idea of jumping around like a loon
Actually, the consumer will decide Kinect's fate. If they don't buy the product, all the dev support and marketing dollars won't mean anything.
Just keep digging that hole, Microsoft.
You can do anything you want with money The launch will be bigger = more spending on marketing The launch will be bigger =/= big sales
I just can't wait for another CIRQUE DU SOLEIL...:/
are they trying to set them selves up for disapoitment i just don't see how that would be possible
If you actually read the source, the information is really presented differently. This computerandvideogames.com is really re-hasing it in an almost inflamatory way to get hits. Here is the actual quote by Phil Spencer: "You forecast, you hope, you do your best, right? You ship something. I know my manager, Don Mattrick, was quoted saying a holiday target of over 3 million. I think about it in a bigger way than that. Not that Don's wrong; that's the number that he stated, but a lot has to happen in order for us to have success. Our content partners have to ship great games, our retail partners have to be there with us, our marketing has to be there in a very impactful way. We are investing in this like we've never invested in a platform launch. This is, for us, the biggest platform launch in the history of the industry." source: http://www.next-gen.biz/fea... Notice, this is for "US", the biggest platform launch in the history of the industry.
"as interesting" ? do you ignore like some others here, each previews, opinions, videos, etc ?
"Kinect launch will be bigger than PS3, 360, Wii" lol, now u know its gonna fail
Yeah right. Unless the price drops significantly and offers some good games it won't succeed. Simple as that.
If kinect fails to live up to this outragous predictions by MS I don't think MS fanatics or MS them selves will be able to defend kinect.........
I would prefer more money on more games than a huge advertising campaign on something I will probably never buy. Stop going after my Mum and my Gran and focus on the loyal hardcore game or does MS think we are in their back pocket already.
I think Microsoft knows that, as long as they continue to offer the titles their core audience wants, then the 'hardcore' fanbase will remain loyal. I'm not sure why the hardcore would abandon MS over Kinect anyway - as long as the 360 still offers them the games they want, what does it matter if the camera peripheral attracts a different set of gamers to the platform? Unless MS stopped releasing the top-tier games the hardcore expect, that is.
I speak from the opposite camp on this subject, but what is likely pissing 360 gamers off with ms. Is the money they have spent on natal, could have been used to buy or build some first party studios, so the 360 would have some new exclusives. And this could just be me, but i know crackdown didn't have halo's sales numbers, but it is a fun exclusive game. That ms couldn't have spent a little more money and another 8-12 months on so the game would be alot better than part 2 is. Ms should sell the ip to ea or activision, take two if there just going to let it wither and die like that, giving it only 6 months dev time. Lmao at the title, time to put the pipe down.
I am really curious to see if this happens, they've been talking about it for a while now. Put your money where your mouth is Microsoft, show me the numbers come November haha.
Yea I just seen guys camping outside of Best Buy, and word on the street is these things are listing for $2,500 on ebay. Give me a break..
Can't see many people camping out just to have a go with Skittles
lol and Sad at the same time
so i am glad to see that but sony hasn't even marketed the games at all. we all know microsoft will through money at kinect and to be frank and yes i hate to say it but that dang kinectanimals is going to have 200,000 preorders in the US. A stupid game. lets hope Sony starts rolling out sports champions ads soon and GT5 ads this month
Of course MS does have like a endless limit to corporate spending on stuff like this.
Too bad Kinect itself won't be bigger than PS3, 360 or Wii.
I've no interest in Kiect whatsoever so I'm completely uninformed, but has there even been a single game announced for it yet?
M$ is actually saying crossing there fingers hoping it will do good.
Now that is what you call a "JOKE"
I know they say be positive but microsoft are taking the cake here.. 3 million units is being overly positive too.. then again only time will tell if idiots will buy into the hype.
we could even sell bottled air to those people.
ure right dude.. bubbles for telling the truth!
Gonna be a lot of big red balls rolling around.
begining to sound like bobby kotick with that claim.
It's going to be interesting, that's all that I've got to say on this at the moment. One part of me thinks that Kinect will actually sell millions, but the other part of me thinks of it as a...well, I can't say flop, because I don't think it will fail completely. Hmm...
maybe, maybe not.. wisdom words!! Don't raise your arms before you cross the goal line... or the audience will make fun and laugh at U at the end.
I don't think so. I wonder how they will spin this when kinect laucnh does not live up to this.
thes the kinect launch will be the biggest fail yet
"Our retail partners are telling us, based on the consumer demand, "this is going to be the number one consumer electronics purchase this holiday. Not just in the games space, all of them." "In North America 7,000 retailers are doing midnight events when we ship and our pre-order momentum looks huge." Damn this seriously looks like its going to be absolutely massive.
And yet they dont metion the actual number of preorders......hmmm 7000 retailers doing midnight launches and no one shows up
shut-up already omega
Omega is the only person here who actually read the article. Nice job man.
What game exactly are you going to be playing Omega4skin? I know you're a MS employee, but really, why should the gamers here be excited for this. Do you get excited for new seasons of Dora the Explorer too? The target audience is the same.
With people it's common knowledge that the more insecure a person is, the more they have a need to brag and play big. I guess it's no different with companies then.
This is going to be epic. MS talking it up like there is no tomorrow. Lets discuss this again a month after the launch and see how many got returned.
And even if it sells it doesnt make it any less worthless. If casuals eat it up it doesnt even make it worthwile hardware Theres absolutely no kinect only game that isnt casual
Microsoft seems very confident. Hope they're right.
They are in defensive mode because they know its worthless
Lol, I seem to have a fanclub that's giving stealth disagrees. That's really nice and all but it's kinda creepy. :/ Anyway, I'm just saying they seem pretty confident. They should back up their statements with facts rather than assumptions.
Simply a more upgraded version of the Sega Activator? http://www.destructoid.com/... I could easily be wrong but from what I seen the thing isn't even accurate either.
Not in my house or any of my friends homes. thats a fact. AND Not a single person on my Live bud list is buying it. At least the ones I speak to..
MICRO$OFT you are funny
from omega4 Damn this seriously looks like its going to be absolutely massive. YEAH, A MASSIVE FAILURE...I dont think any parent who already have the wii will drop it for a 150.00 ad-on plus another 300.00 for 360 plus 90-100.00 for harddrive plus 60.00 games too. cheaper to keep wii
Are they talking about marketing? If so I hope its as embarrassing as that E3 Cirque du Soleil shenanigan. Those were some good laughs.
Everyone knows MIcrosoft has money to throw around because of Windows operating system sales but this will be one Epic Fail with Kinect
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Its all well and good having a big launch but does the tech work? from what i have seen the answer is no whereas the move does
M$ Must be kidding. Who on earth is going to spend 149$ on a motion camera? Kinda of a rip off if you ask me and even on a midnight launch? Some people that are new won't even know how much the Kinect cost when they buy it for their kid.
That would be a sad day for gaming.