It’s a game eat game world, and you are all to blame for it.
Pay for online Pay for armor DLC Reedeem codes to play online Glitch Fest Games Game price Increase DLC to finish of the game story or to get a level from the game back unlock codes closing of servers bayonetta ps3 version RROD kinect(we know it dont work how it should) nintendo not being honest about the wii wii motion plus addon £25 extra sub controllers and motion controllers sold seperately Six axsis controller new 360 controller with new battry pack 360's rip off HDD perposley making the ps3 version the same as the 360 version even though we paid for that power to be utilised (atleast sony are backing there machine) lazy devs and there shit engines oh yes were so spoilt back in the days you could go into a shop eyes shut pick up any game off the shelf and it would be good and hard to find a poor one this gen its the over way round you better go into that shop with ya eyes open and research on what your picking up or else you will feel raped for you cash for example halo odst
Don't thank me you spoilt brat ;) lol
Well said, fellow spoiled brat. We gamers are so ridiculous with our "sense of entitlement" for the "community service" that we pay developers/publishers for. How can we be spoiled enough to be responsible consumers and want quality products for cheaper prices? Spoiled, SPOILED gamers.
yes this generation above all else is very spoiled. Not to mention, the gamers of this gen have so many more expectations because of being spoiled. Go back a few gens and gamers were glad to get what they got and didnt bicker like they do now. Then again, there wasnt the internet to give everyone a voice back then either.
i remember playing WRECKING CREW on NES for waaaaaaaaaaaay too long, and that game sucked..
Ah, the old "You're going to take it, and you're going to like it. Why? Because we said so." approach to things. Gotta say, it's not really my thing to take it up the a$$ and be $crewed out of my hard earned money, but it's fine if that's your thing. I wont judge you.
This gen hasn't been flawless. Some of the complaints are justified.
Has any gen been truly flawless?
Who's paying for online? Who's forced to buy DLC? Why are redeem codes bad for playing online? Aren't unlock codes the exact same as DLC? Companies are supposed to keep losing money on old servers? How many times you going to bring up DLC? Games shouldn't cost more even though the cost to make games cost twice as much from last gen? Are all devs really that lazy that we don't enjoy games? I think, personally, it's both sides. Gamers have become a group of self-entitled complainers. On the flip side, game companies are making some business decisions that are profitable but not best for the consumer. I also think many companies who aren't putting the effort into advancing their game tech are making others look bad, but there are still developers out there who kick some serious arse when it comes to graphics and gameplay.
Disc locked content or downloadable is stupid. I can see if the download is new maps that aren't even in the game that's good. But stuff that's already on the disc, that's a waste of money and time.
Yeah, but you're not forced to buy into it either. I've yet to see on the disc DLC that's been integral to the overall game and been worth more than one or two extra hours of gameplay, if even that. I'm not arguing that it's a good idea or anything, but we're not forced to buy into it. In fact, they will continue to do it _until_ people stop buying into it. So, again, it's both sides. They do something stupid, but we end up supporting the heck out of it and they end up doing it some more.
How about game content being cut so it can be made into paid DLC? Paid DLC that use to be Unlockable content?
How about game content cut due to production time or budget reasons (it happens to EVERY game), and then saved from oblivion as DLC? Not EVERY studio cuts things JUST to put it in DLC you know.
WERE NOT FORCED TO BUY DLC BUT WITH OUT IT MANY GAMES TRUE EXPRIENCE IS INCOMPLETE I.E AC2 AND LOST PLANET 2 SOZ ABOUT CAPS PC PLAYING UP
Game price increase is due to development costs. The dollar today isn't worth as much as the dollar 10 years ago when games were $49.99. Salaries/wages of employees increases every year so the cost of their products will naturally rise. Furthermore, studios now employ A LOT more employees than they did 10 years ago. They have to pay them somehow. You paid more for your PS3 so multiplatform games should be better on PS3? That doesn't make any sense at all. You paid for a PS3, I paid for my PS3, I don't expect multiplats to utilize the full potential of the PS3. That's up to the exclusives, imho. You sure have a lot of issues. Of course new controllers would be sold separately. Do you think they're going to travel back in time and release the Move upon PS3 launch? If you want to complain so much about gaming, find a new hobby
development cost isn't my concern. maybe the should be working harder to find ways to bring cost down. wages have not increased if you adjust for inflation. its actually come down a bit.
Not your concern? I can't believe the constantly damning attitude of some gamers. They demand the best, but once valid reasons for why prices are the way they are arise, they say tough. Most devs ARE working harder to bring costs down. But devs don't control inflation, or the cost of software/hardware to make games. Gaming prices as a whole have probably inflated the LEAST out of the entertainment industry.
damn straight tough. there are plenty of AAA quality games being developed for 10-20 million dollars. games like GeOW and Uncharted. those games are the top 10% of what the gaming industry has offered this gen, and they can maintain reasonable development cost. its not my faulty Rocstar, Guerrilla, Square, and others spend 50-100 million on game development. maybe they should learn from others about cost management. you last point isn't true at all. movie ticket prices have stayed around the same price in my area, and DVDs cost less. Blu-rays cost less than what i was paying for DVDs a few years ago. you can go into music as well. i remember every new CD to come out was $20-30 when they first came out. when was the last time you paid that much for music? the IPad and ereaders are bring down the cost of print as well. unless you talking about comic books, every form of entertainment has stayed relatively the same or cost less now.
When you say "we", who are you refering to. I am a gamer and have no idea who you are talking to. I am looking forward to Kinect, and have no idea how kinect is suppose to work, cause I have never used one before. I Know you guy had Eyetoy and you don't think Kinect is as good as Eyetoy. I or none of the casuals never played the Eyetoy. On topic: Just reading your rant answers the question with a resounding "Yes!" N4G is home to some of the bigest cry babies. There is something call choice. You can choose to not buy a 360 and avoid RROD. You do not have to buy DLC. You can ignore Kinect and pick up a Wii or Move or even stick to a controller. So why wine about what other people choose to do with their cash, and the options that companies offer. I am quite happy that there are many choices out there. Many that I will never choose to use.
perposley making the ps3 version the same as the 360 version even though we paid for that power to be utilised true true
"back in the days you could go into a shop eyes shut pick up any game off the shelf and it would be good and hard to find a poor one " ah, the mind of the deluded.
It's just like sex. You get all pumped about it but once you cum you lose interest. (at least for like 15 min.)
you both just got bubbled up! :D
Gamers definately complain more about things this generation then the last ones. If everything isn't to perfection they cry a pool of tears and piss and moan until they get what they want then they complain some more. For example the issue of game control. When I played KZ2 I realized that the controls felt slightly different. So as a long time gamer I adapted to them and managed to not only finish KZ2 but kick butt in MP. However the 'spoilt brats' tossed it aside, cried a river and deemed the game unplayable. In the days of Sega and Nintendo when they gave you game where the game's controls were different or game play was different you adapted to them. But now you cry and cry about everything and are never satisfied. I can bet you even if GT5 has everything you want in it including the kitchen sink someone will still find some insignificant thing to b***h about. Modrrn day gamers are some the most clingy ungrateful people on the planet.
Only difference between gamers back then and gamers now, is that now we have the internet as a common place to vent and be heard.
But I will say that gamers these days are much, much harder to please. Whether it is due to gamers maturing, more and constant flows of information (or disinformation depending on what you look at), or just the lack of gamers being as naive as they used to be. The core gamers have become almost impossible to satisfy. This generation has seen the most pixel counting, frame watching, screen tear aware generation yet. I won't say that it is wrong, but there are some zealots that believe that if a game isn't 60 fps and 1080p with zero online lag EVER that they won't even try the game. Coming from the Atari generation, it's pretty much all uphill from them. Sure, if the issues are game breaking then I am all for avoiding it. But, there has to be some perspective when looking at a game. Dropping a frame here or there is not going to kill my gaming experience in a fun game. Nor is the lack of 1080p. (RDR, Ghostbusters, and even Bayonetta were not horrible on the PS3...they just weren't as optimized for the PS3...yes that's an issue...no it isn't game breaking in any way.) I guess the new generation gamer just has to learn to enjoy GAMES...not specs...not performance...not consoles...just GAMES.
Maybe not spoiled, but brats, yes.
... I need my diaper changed.. Oh btw, I left a big one in there for 'ya for calling me a spoilt brat. :P
Not only brats, but jaded assholes with a false sense of entitlement, most gamers I see on forums are total douchebags.
I'm expecting a lot because that industry has become a BILLION dollar industry with our money. "...it doesn’t have to have star actors playing the characters... " When I pay my sixty bucks I expect Jesus "F...ing" Christ as the lead voice over of "PEPE the runny Chihuahua" for all I care, because they can afford it. Of course all we need is good gameplay but with the technology we have and the prices of games with "Day One DLC"programmed from the begging, Can we really expect less? For good gameplay and bad graphics I had a Nintendo back in the day so I didn't had to buy all this expensive consoles.
i think the focus is too much on a game looking good. put that focus on the gameplay and we might be getting somewhere. a screenshots or a trailer speaks higher of a game than actual gameplay..
I just want good quality for my money and no extra charges to get more money out of me. Gaming is already expensive enough. Any more expensive will make me give it up and move on to another hobby.
My point exactly enkeixpress. It's all this complaining that ruins the fun. For example KZ2 and Resistace are great shooters but everybody was so busy complaining what they were not instead of embracing what they were. Someone once told me that KZ3 will suck because it doesn't have a Forge mode or as many MP options as Halo Reach but neither did MW2 and that didn't stop any of you from buying a billion dollars worth of units. I mean you have every right to complain but I don't get the unreasonable complaints about things that should prevent you from buying a game. MS PR was one of the best offroad racers I have seen in a long time but was unfairly under appreciated because of a few minor control issues that could have easily been overlooked. Instead everyone made a big deal out of them and missed out on a great racer. It's a tragedy that happens too often these days
Well said. Negativity abound!
I can't speak for anyone else. I don't think I'm spoiled at all. I don't expect the moon people, I expect to get what I pay for. I don't expect to be gouged. I don't expect to have a game I pay for be broken up with DLC that they intentionally take away from the main product and introduce it later on. I think that's wrong. I don't necessarily care if a game is not the best most cutting edge visually. I want a complete experience. That's what really matters. We all know that game makers are now designing their games with DLC in mind from the beginning, which most likely takes away something that would have been in the finished product, had this mindset and practice not existed. There was a time when games sold consistently for years before their sales dropped off. In fact, games used to sell very little in the first few months and then would uptrend later on from word of mouth. Now, they create a marketing hype machine and shit fizzles out in the first 2 to 4 weeks. It’s atrocious what has become of the game industry of late. They have created it by catering to the most fickle aspect of their customer base. I remember when you could find games from 3 years ago still sitting on the shelf next to a new release. Now if it doesn't sell 2 million copies in 4 days, it's a failure... gee, maybe they need to rethink their mindset. While their at it, maybe they should shave about 15 million off their next budget. Companies didn’t sit and complain about their customers then, but now all you see are stories and comments about how they view us and it’s not good. There is something called self-perpetuation and self-fulfillment. This is what is happening to both sides of the equation.
Yes, people complain if there is an OPTION to get something more, but nooo ITS 15$ so they have to whine about something the arent required to do. Mostly people are ridding on the fact on how we always have to pay for extra content via download,...WELL THATS THE POINT YOU DUMASSES! I cant really complain much about this as first of all, i cant access PSN Store, and i dont have any money to use anyway.
Im not a spoilt brat just make me some hd remakes or ill send death threats and dont change my game characters i just couldnt cope im more emo than dante.
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