Playstation 3 Kills HD DVD

Just a few months ago, the high-definition arena looked like we were in for a lengthy battle between Blu-ray and HD DVD. That impression surely has changed: Blu-ray is capturing the market where it counts – movie sales, which apparently are driven by Playstations making their way into the market. Will the game console break HD DVD's neck?

[Lord Anubis]

grinding, sounds like he is a bit upset because HD-DVD "is in the dust"

[Captain Tuttle]

Monopolies are great for consumers.

Edit: because it's obvious dumbass! ;-)

[ENNO]

[im so fuking bored]I have to agree 100%[/im so fuking bored]

[Captain Tuttle]

lmfao!

[XxZxX]

just like VHS and DVD monopoly....???? How is that monopoly. Monopoly = One company calling all the shot, just like an particular OS. Blu-ray is backed by alot of company and spear-headed by Sony??

Monopoly? you meant the board game right, because that's no way you enjoy buying two formats and two machine for your living room.

[Real Gambler]

We cannot be wrong three times in a row after all. Yep, VHS wasn't the best choice, but hey, it did the job quite nicely (I still have my original $1400 Beta machine, and was using it until PVR came along). DVD wasn't the best choice either, but again, nobody's complaining.

[paracardium]

also agree with this title.

[MADGameR]

Including Blu Ray in the PS3. What happens when a format is presented to be the start of the HD era vs a console that is very popular all over the world, has had incredible success in the market and has a new High Definition format that too early at its time to be presented? You get the new format in a product that is destined for great success as the winner. Since Blu Ray was in decided to be included in the PS3, it was going to win anyway! The PlayStation consoles would sell nomatter which format it had either HDDVD,DVD or Blu Ray, it did'nt matter!

[Bazookajoe_83]

Yes

[Marceles]

*waits for cdzie to come in with a lame comment*

[cdzie1]

As you asked :-)

[Real Gambler]

WOW how do you do that : )

[cdzie1]

I bought a PS3 on day one. The fact that I prefer Xbox and HD DVD didn't mean that I hated PS3.

I became PO'ed with the whole situation when Sony started with their whole "HD DVD is dead" talk. It was very unprofessional. When I looked into it deeper, I realized that Sony & Blu-ray have been doing many unprofessional things, boarding on illegal. That's why they are under investigation by the European Union.

Since then, I’ve been sticking up for HD DVD and calling out Blu-ray’s “lie machine.”

[Blood_Spiller]

It was my understanding that both the Blu-Ray camp and the HD-DVD camp were under investigation by the EU.

[cdzie1]

It was a good read... better and more thought-out than the "HD DVD is dead" crap we usually hear. I especially like this line:

"There's no question in my mind that HD DVD is a fundamentally better product."

[beavis4play]

those fundamentals apparently are not so obvious to EVERY MAJOR MOVIE STUDIO.(except universal)you wouldn't work for universal by any chance, would you?

[hikikimori]

What allot of 360 fangirls will say is that home console ownership has no bearing on format adoption, this is total bs, as the PS2 proved to be millions of peoples 1st foray into DVD and is still the best quality dvd player I ever had.
By the time my broke 4ss can afford a 1080p bravia, I and millions of others will have a high quality Blu-ray player right in my PS3.
Boom.

[FirstknighT]

If this really is the best quality dvd player you ever had than you really are a broke ass! HAHA The ps2s dvd player was one of the worst on the market. That is a fact.

[hikikimori]

Show me your 'facts' please? Oh and did you ever try your trusty xbox to watch DVD's on? It's like watching You-Tube.

[Blitzed]

The PS2 was my first DVD player too and I loved it. That doesnt change the fact that spec wise it was pretty run of the mill.

http://www.hometheaterhifi....

[Blitzed]

sorry for the double post

[jinn]

but they lost the console war. lorl

[Xbox 360 Will]

So when did the console war end exactly?

[Ignorant Fanboy]

When Sony announced a $600 price tag.

[mikeslemonade]

If he's afraid of monopolies than don't support MS.

[s8anicslayer]

whatever im not getting paid the millions to fight someone elses battle

[cloud360]

...I like to waste lines

Edit: wait, just so u dont take bubbles off. errr yeh good yeh good article.

[NRG]

I like both consoles. I like both formats. Somebody just win and make DVD obsolete please.

[MrSwede]

Agreed so I don´t have to feel embarrassed everytime I´m standing alone in the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD corner in the stores. A little off topic maybe but are you able to rent HiDef movies in US yet?

[HeartlesskizZ]

hmmm news? did you also knew Santa is not real?

I never saw the point of this battle.

[sjappie]

losers. Both bluray and hddvd have super crappy sales compared to dvd. Us gamers on this site are probably hdtv owners or in the market for it, but remember the big majority of people hardly even know what hd is and don't give a sh*t about a new hd movie format, and it will be like this for years to come.

[Bazookajoe_83]

"Bluray is the winner of the losers. Both bluray and hddvd have super crappy sales compared to dvd"

Do i even have to make a comment of what you wrote?

[sjappie]

what you are trying to say, then yes, you do.

[Bazookajoe_83]

How many Dvd players have been sold? how many high def players have been sold? And while were at it how many have high def tv´s?

Edit: You can scratch High def Tv´s, i saw you addressed that one.

[beavis4play]

wrong. ps2 was the reason dvds sent vhs to the grave and it would not be a surprise to see ps3 do the same for BR success. i'll say too that if ms would have included hd-dvd playback in the 360 and not had a 30% failure rate in the hardware, it could be a different story.

[sjappie]

aswell as discs. I think they don't even make for 10% of the movie(player)market. Probably even less. I don't have exact numbers.

[sjappie]

actually see a difference, you know you need a hdtv, otherwise it wouldn't make sense. The great majority doesnt own a hdtv, and probably won't own one the coming years. Also DVD provided much more advantages over VHS as Bluray/hddvd does over DVD.

How can you disagree with that? Please respond.

[cuco33]

and this ladies and gents is why the high def format is only 5% and growing like molasses. i bet you walmart sells more $5 'give away' dvds then both HD DVD and BR combined. this 'war' is far from over.

if HD DVD were to lose then i would say (like i have in the past) that it's largely because of the ps3. wasn't there a statistic that said of the 1.4 million BR players that 1.3 million were ps3s? numbers might be off but you get my drift

remember this 'war' is split 60/40. no one's dead. the masses haven't even decided and they are the ones that count. not the HIFI guys and not the fanboys, it's the masses and the masses want cheap. bring cheap HD movie players/burners/media and THEN this war is over once acceptance is breached

[MrSwede]

Both formats are doing quite well actually comparing to when the first DVD-players came.

[MaximusPrime]

great image! lmao

[trueltie5]

Thats it i am convinced that CDzie1 was let go by Sony and he now has bad blood with them. I just don't get how he thinks HD-Dvd is it and Blu-ray isn't the obvious choice. Wow this guy is a moron...Whats up with Warhawk..scouting out a team here

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

Now I've got to buy an expensive ass BluRay player. F**k that.

Oh well. I'll just wait till they come down in price.

I still wish HD DVD would have won, just so I could buy a $150 HD DVD add on and have HD on my LCD. Now I've got to wait because the damn things are so expensive.

Congrats Sony. Your trojan horse format won, barely. Collect your winnings. Your console is still doing poorly though...

[DJ]

*gives you a pack of sour Grapes*

[nomuken]

Its tuff, HD DVD may have started early and now they have lost early hahahaha. Live with it. Blu-ray has won.

[razer]

to not post these stupid movie stories to the Xbox 360 section any longer.. I could give a flip about HD-DVD and it doesn't effect the 360 one way or the other.. MS made a freakin add-on that is it. 360 people are gaming, not watching movies. Sony was the one that tied it's gaming to a movie format not MS.

I know Dirty you want to try and heat another article up for your score or whatever and I would encourage 360 users to not give him the pleasure.

[Bazookajoe_83]

That this shouldnt be in the 360 section, only in the ps3 because of built in player. This things start´s flamewars.

[beavis4play]

ms didn't tie itself to a movie format?! we can forget HD-DVD and you are still wrong. unless i'm mistaken, the 360 plays standard dvds. and, dvd is a movie format you idiot.

[razer]

is a bi-product of the game medium. Can you honestly tell me MS is touting it's DVD drive more as a movie playback device then a medium for game storage?

No. MS used HD-DVD because at the time the console launched it was the best HD format and had superior features. If MS were truly concerned about the HD movie format wars they would of included an HD-DVD in the console. Which would of jacked the price up and they would of found themselves in the situation Sony is in. I wouldnt be surprised if Blu-ray does "win" MS starts to support that format. Hell, they developed the VC-1 codec BR uses and the reason why the format went from crap to comparable to HD-DVD (minus 300 on BR because it's a buggy POS).

[Foliage]

Sorry razer but your far-fetched theories might be a bit too far out of your grasp. The reason Microsoft didn't support a next gen format is because in the console business they've never been a company to look forward. That is why support for the first xbox died quickly, and why games never get any better towards the end of the console life cycle. The fact that hardware malfunctions reached the astonishing height they did with the 360, it also proves that they are unaware of future concerns. Gears of War is the best looking game you'll see on the 360, and that is largely in part to small spaces, and a large amount of zoning.

Let's not forget that they are also a company that will charge you for every little "feature" that they didn't see fit including with the original sale.

As for putting nails in an empty PS3 coffin, you are a little early. You can celebrate a mere 10 million consoles sold as a win for 360, but they are competing with a company that has never sold less than 100 million units in their previous two attempts, give it time. The PS2 saw a rise to well over 120 million units, and these fans will be back again, because Sony has always delivered and there has been zero reason to believe they won't do so again. Besides if they sell 9% as many PS3 units as they did PS2, than they will still compete with the 360 as it stands.

[LoydX-mas]

PS3 has sold what 1.4-1.7 million consoles in the US.
HD-DVD 360 add-ons and standalones have sold about 300-400 thousand.
(based on the last figures I have seen)

That makes almost a 5 to 1 margin of AVAILABLE players for each format.

But Blu-ray / HD-dvd disc sales stay about a 2 to 1 margin.

HMMMMM.

[DJ]

according to NPD, and about 20% of households actually have an HDTV...buuut...there's also's Sony's data which says the majority of PS3 owners intend to purchase a Blu-ray movie in the next 12 months. Blu-ray movies are expensive (though cheaper than HD-DVD counterparts), and DVD is still around. Backwards compatibility allows PS3 owners to purchase both formats.

The HDTV and HD Movie markets are growing in parallel, so expect to see that ratio between the two formats to widen exponentially within the next year.

[mcgrawgamer]

if you think blu ray won't win, Your blinded by fanboy rage, or your...trapped in the matrix. red or green pill???? Live and Learn. Sony would sell their soul to make sure blu-ray is the dominant format, and at this point I think they have LOL. The only way they lose is if the big wigs have been stealing money and they have to go bankrupt; i.e it aint gonna happen. blu-ray is here to stay deal with. By the by. Bioshock next week!!!!!

[DEADEND]

The only way i can see HD-DVD winning is if

1. People stop buy PS3 all together, which now people are buying more and more PS3 so thats out of the picture.
2. They sell the HD-DVD PLAYERS for 250 to 200 or less and thats not going to happen either. Hell its way cheaper then BLU-RAY PLAYERS and people are still buying BLU-RAY PLAYERS over HD-DVD PLAYERS.
3. The movie companies that already signed on to BLU-RAY breaks their contracts and jump over to HD-DVD. But they wont so thats out too.
4. Universal decides to release all their top movies all at once on the market on HD-DVD before the holiday session. But they wont it will cost too much and it will be too much of a risk for them to take.

So i really don't see how HD-DVD will win if one of these or more happening before this holiday session.

[beardtm]

"2. They sell the HD-DVD PLAYERS for 250 to 200 or less and thats not going to happen either. Hell its way cheaper then BLU-RAY PLAYERS and people are still buying BLU-RAY PLAYERS over HD-DVD PLAYERS."

People aren't buying blu-ray players over hd-dvd players, look at the figures.

Stand alone players wise, hd-dvd is winning by a mile.

People are buying Playstations, majority just because it is a Playstation and to play games on it, but Sony is counting these sales in their total just because it has a blu-ray drive build it.

[beavis4play]

having BR in ps3 will be the deciding factor. if ms had put HD-DVD in x360, then it might be a different story, but they didn't. when people look at the value of what they get in a ps3, it's a no-brainer what to buy. i don't say this because of a love for sony, it's just common sense- people want to get the most out of their money.

[beardtm]

Consoles wont decide, don't be daft.

Consoles are for games, VAST majority will only be used for games.

Obviously right now PS3 is spear-heading Blu-ray, but thats only because its the cheapest one out there.

Stand alones is where the battle will truly commence.

NEVER in a million years will the general public have a PS3 as their next gen dvd player.

Even the idea of that is ludicrous.

[DJ]

i.e. DVD Players across the globe. You don't think that had a significant effect on DVD's dominance over VHS?

[DEADEND]

First of all people who have a PS3 dont just use it for games, people do watch BLU-RAY movies just look at the sales thats why HD-DVD is losing. So yea the console will decide weither or not BLU-RAY will win and thats why SONY put a BLU-RAY PLAYER in the PS3.

DJ: i couldnt have said it better then you!!! I agree with you 100% bubbles for you

[DJ]

=]

[mcgrawgamer]

Your looking at this from an American perspective I think. DVD was so dominant because other regions more specifically japan truly believe in saving space...so they used their ps2's as mulitmedia entertainment hubs for games and movies. Thus Sony is counting on the same factor for blu-ray. Also think about it. Use this philosphy. if u got it why not use it? If I have a ps3...the obvious choice is I will buy blu-ray movies to watch on it. I mean it's already there....simple economics. Or like my man John Cena would say THUGANOMICS!!!!!

[Yosking]

In the blue corner BLU-RAY! WOohoo!!! in the red corner HD-DVD BOOOOO!
LETS GET READY TO RUMMMMMMMMMBLE!
...(10 minutes later)Oh!Blu-ray uses its finisher(ps3)POW! KNOCKOUT!! DING DING DING!!!
lol rock on ps3!

[Mattguy]

The one and only thing I ever worried about was blu-ray going down and ps3 getting boned by a burly man. Well that (awkward)fear is somewhat gone(Hey anything can make a comeback)Why the heck would anyone prefer hd-dvd anyways? blu-ray sounds cooler lol

[Rybnik]

Given the fact that cnet and I believe some other tech sites as well have rated the PS3 as one of the highest quality blu-ray players available, and the fact that MANY people in the general public look to such sites for recomendations on technology, I think pokes am enormous hole in your silly little theory.
http://reviews.cnet.com/432...

[pilotpistolpete]

Its funny how some people are complaining like 2 years old

"but..but the ps3 is a console, its not fair"

So to every ps3 owner: stop using it for watching blu-ray, some people don't like that and feel like sony cheated

[Omicronn]

PS3 is(and proven) to be a seriously high quality player

[Da Ghostdog]

Same story, over and over and over again. HD-DVD & Blu-Ray are less than 5% of the movie market. The PS3 being Judge, jury and executioner of a format?! Remember this girls, DVD9 is still "King of Movie Fomats"!!! It's what people can afford that will win. You can't decide Jacksh*t if HD-DVD dies. The only one having control of this is Universal. I don't give a **** who wins!! I have both Blu-Ray & HD-DVD. I'll be the winner in the end!!! Why?!!! 'Cause my Super-Blu, PS3 & 360 HD-DVD player. I can enjoy High-Def in any format. Why keep bit*hing about who wins?! One factor is who will have the "cheapest" HD stand alone player. God forbid if Walmart rumor is true. Blu-Ray & HD-DVD have a long way to go.

Disagree button on bottom far right corner!!!!

[beavis4play]

universal has no control over anything. in the end, they'll have to go with the winning format. also, ps2 is what made dvd9s what they are today. because BR is included in the ps3, it makes it a better value than stand-alone players. so go back and sit down with the other little girls and shut up until you have something to say that makes sense......oh, i guess the walmart rumor you refer to is the one that says they are only going to carry BR players? it might be true considering target and blockbuster are throwing their support at BR.

[Jrome]

Well, sony is aiming towards and entertainment system, which is what consoles are in the first place. To entertain, entertainment does not only involve games, it also involves movies, music etc. If I'm going to shell out 400+ for a system, IT BETTER BE DOING SOMETHING OTHER THAN PLAYING GAMES. (eg. they had clocks, they had radios, :o..then they have the even better CLOCK RADIOS). I mean, yeh it's for playing games, but I want EXTRAS. That's why you like HD-DVD..because of the EXTRAS.

And also, to the guy that said Sony has been doing some near illegal stuff?..Umm, welcome to the real world buddy?, which company doesnt rip the consumer off? They want to MAKE MONEY, this isn't World Peace this is a BUSINESS.

Now, in terms of stand alone, people don't think the way everyone thinks. Would you rather have a stand alone blu-ray player?, or an entertainment system that can do many things AND THEN act as a blu-ray player? EXACTLY. So of course when it comes down tot he decision, a lot of people will choose the PS3, and actually if you go to the nearest best-buy and you're lookin at gettin a HDTV and the guy helping you gives a rats ass about you gettin quality, he will refer you to the PS3 as the blu-ray player to get, and then yeh he will say there are also hd-dvd players.

If 360 had HD-DVD i'm pretty sure, it would be the driving force for HD-DVD players as well.

And wtf is with people saying PS3 trojan horsing this format? You just jealous, that microsoft wasn't wise enough, to come up with the idea lol. As PS3 pushes their format they ALSO are pushing a console that will last a long time, 360 will be replaced, and it won't be using DVD9, i mean it's already have disc space issues. I mean, would you rather pay 400 for something lasts 3-4 years, or 600 for something that lasts 10? Do the math.

[Bnet343]

HD-DVD was not made by Microsoft, that's why they didn't really add it. Yes, PS3 is a trojan horse for Blu Ray. Imagine if PS3 didn't have built in Blu Ray player, HD-DVD and Bly Ray would of been neck and neck.

[fopums]

I knew my PS2 had a dvd player and now I own about 121 dvd's and owned roughly 50 games in the consoles run, I gave them away when I got my PS2. anyhow...

Saying 360 owners are playing games, and PS3 owners are watching movies is crap, XBOTS are saying its a bad thing I can do both?

If you didnt buy a HD add on, good for you. Just dont complain that SONY put the new standard media player in the console and has effectivly won the format war. And buy god I bet they do it again with the PS4

[DEADEND]

Thats what i've been trying to tell people, they're are a ton of people out there that don't play games but are going to buy a PS3 just for the features that it has. look at how the WII turned out alot of people didn't think that nongamers would get into it but they did.

The funny thing is those people that bought the WII and aren't hard core gamers will look into the market to find out more about games, and these same people are going to want something a little better something that is all in one device. And if SONY can win this format war(which they will you can see it now) and bring better online downloadable games like they are now but just have more for the casual, i think these people are going to end up buying a PS3 a year from now. Hell you go to BESTBUY and all they do is recommend a PS3 when you ask about a HDTV they don't ever mention HD-DVD PLAYERS. You'll see a big change in the video game market come a year from now.

[FirstknighT]

I for one hate this format war and I'm hoping the war ends soon so I can start my collection. But I'm banking on blu-ray to win. I already own a 360 and have the best games available and I cant wait to buy the samsung 1200 bluray player. It destroys the ps3 in video quality. With the 360 and the samsung, I get the BEST of both worlds. I'm sure the ps3 would be good enough for some users that dont mind low quality. But I'm going to take a chance and start my blu-ray collection.

[Jrome]

@28.1

Yeh, the PS3 pushes blu-ray, but they don't have a built-in blu-ray player, their games use blu-ray in the first place, so PS3 can read blu-ray discs, so why not play blu-ray movies?

*Kigmal running sony*
Okay guys, I know that our games run on blu-ray discs, but lets just be complete jacka$$es and not allow our fans to play blu-ray movies as well.

Anyway, what was with the first xbox...did they use CDs or Dvds? because i'm pretty sure i had to buy some bullcrap to even play dvds on my xbox (which i didnt buy) because msoft just wants to rob your money -.- and not give the users the whole package.

[hikikimori]

Plus the dvd player on the xbox was like watching Youtube or a streaming video.

[Boink]

I love these people calling winners and losers already. this battle will last for another few years before anyone is close to victory.

[Blitzed]

People don't realize that this is regulated:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/cons...

'At midnight on February 17, 2009, federal law requires that all full-power television broadcast stations stop broadcasting in analog format and broadcast only in digital format.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

'The FCC has not mandated HDTV signals be broadcast; it only requires digital TV broadcasts. The prevailing expectation, however, is that native HDTV (i.e. programming recorded with a digital HDTV camera) during primetime will predominate. The great majority of primetime television shows in the United States are available in HDTV at the network level. It is up to the affiliates, not all of which have HDTV broadcast capability, to retransmit these shows at HDTV resolutions.'

The CRTC in Canada has the same mandate (not sure about Europe).

Many production companies are not waiting and have already switched to shooting their stuff in HD even though its still being broadcast in SD.
HD is well on its way to being the broadcast standard. That doesn't mean you have to shell out $6000 for a 1080p television. the Sony Bravia KLV sets (1080i- as well as 720p) you can get now for approx $1500, not cheap but now its affordable.

**EDIT** @sjappie ("if the networks are ready")- you obviously didnt fully read the post, its manadted by the FCC and CRTC, so here in NA the networks dont have a choice, they must be broadcasting in digital by Feb 2009. Now what would you do, spend millions to upgrade your capabilities to digtial only to upgrade again in a couple years or just move to HD now?

[sjappie]

For this to fully take effect worldwide, even in Amerika,we'll be years down the road. Even then, if the networks are ready, there's still a majority of people that havent bought a hdtv.

Dude, they are making DIGITAL tv mandatory, that is not the same as HD. Digital broadcasting doesn't require a hdtv, only a 15$ set top box. You think they are gonna force hdtv's on people and leave them unable to watch tv without one?
Also, that's in America, what about the rest off the world, it's just not gonna happen that fast.

[Blitzed]

The EC (europe) is discussing what date will be set for their mandate, so its not IF but WHEN. I can assure you it will be by the end of 2009 to keep pace with the FCC (USA) and the CRTC (Canada).

Also, I know they are pushing DIGITAL, I posted it. As I said though, the major networks are jumping to HD instead of spending all the money upgrading to digital just to upgrade again to HD (they are not jumping they have already jumped, and are currently down converting many of their broadcasts. THEY WANT TO END THIS, IT COSTS MONEY THAT IS NOT RECOUPED and stick with a single broadcast standard). When this happens, it forces their affiliates to tow the line and broadcast the HD resolution when they pick up the signal, they will eventually have no choice.

However, you are suggesting that once this is forced onto people that instead of deciding to make the upgrade, people are going to spend money (where'd you get $15 from?!) to down-convert their signal so they can watch a cropped, pan and scanned, downgraded picture on thier decade old TV?! There will be some that just cant afford to upgrade but most will.(HDTVs are coming down in price every month and by 2009 its going to be hard to buy a new TV thats not HD, it practically is now). People may wait until the last minute but they will upgrade, they always do eventually, unless the video stores where you live are still filled with VHS.

**were so off topic now...

[green_ghost5]

every week some article comes out similar to this one here. I do like blu ray alot more than HD-DVD. Universal wants to see this war continue and well to be frank, bluray won't compleatly dust off til universal starts to put titles on bluray. I go to my local best buy when buying either format, blurays are pretty much always gone, but HD-DVD's are'nt crowding the shelves either. This war will go on until something major happens, like universal moving over to the bu ray camp, it is going to take a lot more than just some movies release like pirates, or even the matrix.

[Dogswithguns]

Let's go back to gaming "cartridges" -- screw the bluRay and the HDDVD frenzies! Huh?

[Real gamer 4 life]

does sony own blueray? or is it a poen market technology?

[akira]

iceman who you kidding.. of course we need a blueray especially if you have an hdtv. it is the age of high definition wether it be tv, radio and gaming and there is no turning back. Sony did a very smart move and everybody is now realizing it. so just join the band wagon and if you dont buy it(ps3) your gonna be left out in the iceage iceman. ooops! peace buddy!

[pshizle]

....

you wont see everyone with a PS3 for a bluray player will you!!!

HD DVD is beating Bluray in standalone players and thats were it counts

HD DVD FTW nuff said

[akira]

the bottom line is how many blueraydisc sold againts hddvd that is what really counts and right now its blueraydisc leading by almost a MILLION worlwide and why would people buy a stand alone player when ps3 is the BEST stand alone blueray player around. if ever people buy the stand alone players thats a bonus for sony already. also almost every week sony is gaining significant momentum with blockbuster, wallmart, target and disney just to name a few joining the elite sony camp. how about spiderman trilogy and pirates of the caribbean trilogy both of which are coming to ps3 this fall. beat that buddy! this is the real NUFF SAID!!!!

[The Chief of Mjolnir]

Oh, so you say that I´ll buy the Blu-Ray just because it sells better than HD-DVD? No, I won´t.

Let me tell you this: In last generation I knew the Xbox and PS2 were the best, but I started with the Gamecube, because I had more fun with it. Then I bought PS2 and Xbox, but I didn´t had as much fun with them.

Bottomline: I´ll buy what I think I´ll enjoy the most.

[WilliamRLBaker]

of course that was sony's plan, and why they put blu ray into the ps3 in the first place.

Cause while not even half the ps3 user base buys blu ray, because enough do, Blu ray all ways wins in sales, The ps3 is the only source of definitive purchases and consumer base for blu ray movies, Without it HD DVD smashes blu ray. *this is proven by numbers alone* Ps3 accounts for 95% of all blu ray player sales, and movie sales.

[thereapersson]

Yeah, so that's why Blu-Ray is stomping HD-DVD not only in terms of available titles, but also the number of titles sold.

[green_ghost5]

Pirates, spiderman won't bring this war to a close, what will? Universal joining the blu ray camp. Lets face it Universal has too many great AAA titles, only reason why I invested in HD-DVD, so now I have both formats. Not a big deal. Like the guy said above ps3 makes up for most players. That is the real without Universal it's a no go.

[akira]

many triple a movies. give me one universal movie that is better than pirates of the caribbean, spiderman, 300, lord of the rings or starwars. none of them are from universal pictures. they are good film producers but they wont make or break ps3 not by a long shot and sooner or later they will give in to the demands of the greater number of blueraydisc users. its all business anyways and if they are smart the only way to be is to go BLUE. peace out man!

[codeazrael]

these guys who post different iterations of the same damn stories that use buzz words that are sure to start a flamewar and give them points, are the same guys who are first to report stories that you submit by citing that they are lame or old, even if they provide no proof. These stories with the misleading headlines get approved all of the time. So much, I think that some of these guys help each other approving each one's stories. Either way, don't quit your dayjob in pursuit of being a journalist, and if being a journalist is your dayjob...quit.

[Ortiz83]

how is sony's console doing poorly. is doing real good. its been out 9 months and they have sold 4.1 million+. at 12 months they should be at 5 million + thats 1 year. thats half of the microsoft sales, and xbox will be out for 2 years. so sony is making sells just like microsoft did in the first year. sony for the next year should have the 10 million+ or more in there 2 year life just like microsoft is right now at there 2 year life. so if you think sony is doing poorly, then microsoft is doing poorly too.

[cain141]

I disagree with part of this article. The sales numbers are not the most important part of this battle. The most important part is the industry support, which at this moment I believe bluray has.

[jlemdon]

serves you right for not supporting HD-DVD now it will be with your xbox1 and 32x.LOL

[The Chief of Mjolnir]

You know this "Xbots" and "Sony trolls" thing is so unmature. Can´t you just respect people for who they are? Well, fanboys can´t, because they are the worst kind of people.

[Bloodmask]

Too bad Bluray killed the PS3. By giving it a pricepoint that most of the "average" PS2 audience can't afford. And also giving the PS3 a horrible games attach rate bc of people buying it as a Bluray player. Giving 3rd parties reasons to give it crappy dump off ports like Madden, NCAA, NHL08, and All-Pro.

Sony would gladly sacrifice a large portion of their console install base to ensure victory in the format war.

Sony uses you people and you praise them for it. Truly a new definition for the word Lemming.

[sleepbox]

Bloodmask, you read my mind sir. In 10 years we'll see who is winning the format war...probably something beyond blu-ray. There are DVD players that upscale to 1080p for around $150. Why would the average joe care for a little extra sound clarity or picture quality? Truth is, they wouldn't.

[codeazrael]

In 10 years it will be clear who won the format war, and it's going to be called digital distribution. Before you doubt me, consider the mp3 revolution. I never wouldve thought that I would TOTALLY stop buying cds for itunes, but I havent bought a cd in years for the most part at least. Once DRM is out of the way, DD will be even more popular.

[The Chief of Mjolnir]

Ops...Never mind.

I tought about something and I wrote it, but I regret that.

My bad.

[pshizle]

PRICE AND STANDALONE PLAYERS

YOU THINK THE AVERAGE PERSON IS GOING TO BUY A PS3 FOR A STANDALONE PLAYER...HELL NO ONLY A GAMER WILL...

A MOVIE BUFF WILL GET HD DVD for the better picture already been proven

so HD DVD FTW nuff said

the only people that will disagree with me is the ones that are called
the SONY FANBOYS

[TheMART]

So a cheap Bottleneck 3 BetaBluRay player sells as a Trojan Horse to gamers for pushing BluRay.

Is that positive? I think not. Those are gamers, and don't get the best gaming console. Those are not the people also that buy the most movies, they want to buy games.

On short term, pushing players it seems a succes. Gamers getting screwed over it will backfire on Sony on the longer term. Being nr. 3 in this consolerace isn't a great achievement Sony

[Maddens Raiders]

DVD wins. PSOne won.

DVD + Games wins. PS2 won.

Blu-ray wins. MS scrathches head.

Blu-ray + Games wins. PS3 wins.
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Stupid Trojan horses and their victorious consoles. Damn them ALL!!!lol

[DFresh]

It's clear to me Blu-ray is the new thing more and more companies are starting to convert to that system.
ex. Disney, Universal, FOX, CNN, TNT, etc.
Blu-ray also has more textures than a HD DVD and more space so when it comes to making vibrant images in games and movies Blu-ray wins.
This is in my opinion of course.

[jlemdon]

yeah 360 ownerz like talking something they not going to buy anyway.
I still don't get why they would say we have HD-DVD but soon as you will ask some if they will buy it they will say I don't need it.

but I bet M$ would've let developers support the games on HD-DVD but it didn't sell well with in the gaming industry.

maybe as soon as it reach a million or 2 mill they will let developers decide which is the best choice for there games and fans alike.

[IPlayGames]

does the add-on HD DVD player work on a ps3??

Has anyone tried it?

The xbox live cam works on my ps3 and since u just plug the HD add on into the usb wouldnt it work on a ps3?