OzMods and Quantronics Issue Statements Regarding Sony’s Injunction

It's been reported both OzMods.com and Quantronics are being sued by Sony over their sale of the PSJailbreak usb dongle mod. The retailers have both issued statements regarding the legal ordeal they are facing. It seems not only are the sites required to stop selling the chips, they are also supposed to give all their PSJailbreaks to Sony. Both sites have yet to issue any refunds to customers. They ask customers wait until August 31, the date of the court hearing, to hear the court's decision.

[tiamat5]

Give them hell Sony!!!!!!! I know the hackers won't win. I am sure Sony talked to their lawyers before they decided to sue them. they probably know what the outcome most likely will be. Besides, what do a couple of low life hackers have to fight Sony with?

[scofios]

Their screwed that's for sure .

[SilentNegotiator]

Another inevitable loss for hackers/pirates/thieves.

[rdgneoz3]

They're not hackers, they're thieves. It wasn't tech they created themselves, they stole it from Sony. What do stores trying to sell it expect to happen?

[Fred-G-Sanford]

The cat is already out of the bag.

Sony is in serious trouble, but pirates around the world are jumping for joy.

[Red_Orange_Juice]

at least they got thier hands on this device, this will help to firmware-dispable it

[r1sh12]

Im not sure they are screwed scofios.
Remember in the USA, the courts decided to allow iphone jailbreaks.
Even if this is stopped by Sony, the hacks and clone files will be leaked to the net for millions to make.
Then its down to someone making homebrew software to distribute it.
Hackers cannot be stopped, just look into legal history and see what happens.
This will be a similar case to the Iphone jailbreak. Some people already have the usb dongles, so they can make copies themselves

[Matthew94]

^^ yay then everyone can backup games

rent, backup, return, repeat...

[DarkTower805]

Corporate companies like Sony have lawyers on their payroll year round. It's not like for people like me and you that we would have to pick and choose our legal battles based on funds. Even if Sony knew it would lose, they would still sue because they know these hackers don't have unlimited money and access to top notch lawyers. Sony will be a thorn in these guys' asses until they give up or run out of money.

[morganfell]

How is that similar. In this case the more powerful institution happens to be the correct one.

[Eamon]

We'll let the court decide that, morganfell. lol

[KozmoOchez]

I love how innocent they sound:

"even tho its obviously stolen property that we managed to get our sneaky hands on, we are the victims here - we believe everything in life should be free...except the stuff we sell to you to make it free"

[zoks310]

The Robin Hood image they are trying to create for themselves is laughable. I would give them some credit if they hacked the PS3 on their own but that's not the case, the hack is a stolen internal, none commercial use IP from Sony, so these hackers can go to hell or jail, which ever comes first.

I can imagine the look on the federal judge face once Sony shows proof that the hack was stolen from their tech lab and sold to the highest bidder.
Sony never gave them authority to manufacture the USB dongle, so this will be an easy win.

Even if the hackers had a good reason to use the dongle internally Sony would still sue, because the dongle is an IP belonging to Sony exclusively and the hackers have no Rights by law, or permission by Sony to manufacture it, assemble it, or sell it.

[wsoutlaw87]

Ya i wouldnt amagine they have a chance vs sonys lawyers. I think sony knows they will win.

[InfiniteRetro77]

i love the defiance of ppl who steal something then try and sell it. the fucking nerve. i bet if i went to their shop, stole their money they wouldnt be so 'understanding'.

[RedSky]

1 - The mod chip itself specifically has nothing to do with stealing.
2 - I hope you enjoy buying shitty games that you never had the chance to try first, and never end up playing.
3 - So how's that pirated music of yours doing?

Hypocrites.

[SilentNegotiator]

"So how's that pirated music of yours doing?"
LOL, it's so cute how pirates justify theft by assuming that others are as guilty of them.
You don't see other criminals do that too often: "Oh yeah!? Well how about that little girl that YOU raped!?"

"I hope you enjoy buying shitty games that you never had the chance to try first"
Demos and rentals, silly.

"The mod chip itself specifically has nothing to do with stealing"
You're right, its ability to illegally copy games is just for show.

@Below
Think about it; What other criminals assume that everyone else is guilty of the same crime just to justify themselves? THAT is my point. Don't turn this into "ZOMG PIRACY IZNT SOOOO BAD, NOT LIEK MURDER AN RAEP" Because that's inevitably the wrong turn this conversation will take if you warp my joke into that.

[Rainstorm81]

i kinda agree redsky, people act so high and mighty when it comes to piracy, when the invention of the internet makes it all possible.

Where is everyone's bleeding hearts for all the encyclopedia companies that got put out of business by the internet or what about the countless magazines? or like red sky said hows that pirated music/movies?

most things that you get off the internet for free, you used to have to buy.

Piracy = by product of the internet

The faster the internet the more types of media will be affected......books,music,movi es,video games

Isnt this why people pay for the internet to begin with to access whats available on the WWW?

Edit@above
Piracy =/= rape.....shoplifting =/= murder.....to all the people that dont access anything illegally...kudos...but dont turn ur nose up to those that do either

Edit 2@ disagreers
I mean come on the goverment just legalized jailbreaking Ipods and ipads is that not the same???
People that mod thier xboxes and ps3s are right its thier property.

Now the companies trying to sell this device is wrong, you cant profit off others hard work, but the avg joe is free to do with his property as he/she sees fit

[dragon82]

1. The resources which gave them means to create their mod chip were stolen.
2. I can try out any game I want before I buy it. Its called Gamefly.
3. Not everyone pirates music either.

Take your "Hypocrites" statement and GTFO!!!!

Edit@above
Piracy is the same as stealing. Those of us who don't steal have every right to turn up our nose at anyone who does. And don't give me that shit argument about how you wouldn't buy it anyway so it doesn't really hurt anything. I have no intention of buying a BMW but if I steal one off the lot it still hurts the dealer doesn't it.

[tiamat5]

Why is it that people talk about Sony as if they are children or something? Do you really believe that Sony's people just woke up one morning and said 'What the heck? Let's go and try to sue the hackers just for kicks.They probably will win but we have time to waste right?' Don't you think Sony looked over their legal rights? Checked with their lawyers to see what could be done? Checked if they had a case or not Found out what were their chances of winning the case and what were the consequences if they lost?
If Sony wanted to do some half @$$ed attempt at sueing the hackers they could have done that a week ago.Sony could keep this locked up in court for years. They have billions in resources and can do this for as long as it takes. Even if Sony wins this the hack could be still sold illegally but if it becomes a punishable offense retailers would think twice before they try to sell it and won't be as vocal about it as before

[doshey]

jailbreaking is just freeing your iphone to customizing and doing what those uptight assholes at apple wont let you do, jailbreaking has nothing to do with privacy,
Actually jailbreaking is just running unauthorized code

[skip2mylou]

raiin -_- it was made so that people who wanted the Iphone could buy it and use it with their own provider like Sprint to Iphone, Tmoblie to Iphone, its still illegal to download games for it and any other illegal stuff for it

[Rainstorm81]

what about the apps that u get for free by jailbreaking?

Hey i understand why Sony, microsoft or any other company doesnt want piracy. I mean FF Dissida was 75% pirated thats ridiculous.

In the end the real bad guys are the ones distributing pirated media and devices, the people that take advantage by dling music movies games or anything how can u blame them? They are using thier internet connection for what its for.

Half of the people on this site alone have copyrighted material as avatars is that right?? What about the countless copyrighted movies and tv shows on youtube? the examples just go on and on......

what makes one ok and the other wrong??

Edit

But doesnt Apple have an exclusive deal with AT&T? That would make using it with another service provider wrong right? Thats like playing Halo on Ps3 because the government said yes...I mean the line between right and wrong is thin when it comes to this topic..

[dazzalfc]

"Where is everyone's bleeding hearts for all the encyclopedia companies that got put out of business by the internet or what about the countless magazines? or like red sky said hows that pirated music/movies?"

Sorry, but LOL!

Thats simply evolution in how we access information. If it was downloading the exact same magazine/books that we have to pay for in the shops then that would be theft. I hardly doubt that Waterstones would be accusing Wikipedia for trying to put them out of business or even theft.

End of the day, music, movies and games are to be paid for. Accessing those games for free just a byproduct, its theft. You're dishonestly appropriating property, belonging to another, with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it. How people can try and justify it is beyond me.

"what about the apps that u get for free by jailbreaking?"

If those apps are originally paid apps on Itunes, again, you're committing theft. The Jailbreak itself isn't illegal, but once you download an app thats meant to be paid for, you're theiving.

[doshey]

well for one sony has seen what happens with this kind of stuff, aint pretty, and as for the jailbreak, your still wrong, jailbreak is to ALLOW UNAUTHORIZED CODE, getting free app is done by someone else, you have to go get the sources then get the separate app that give you free apps. learn some shit

"Half of the people on this site alone have copyrighted material as avatars is that right??"
didnt know pot was copyrighted

Edit yes apple has a contract with A&AT, its one that says apples iphone can only be sold on there network in the USA but once you jailbreak it, then you can change your carrier

your arguments are sad raiinstorm
Piracy happens on the internet because its free to use, there is no term of use, or fine print you have to read. if they have a problem with shit on the internet then have the damn fcc or your government take care of it

[dragon82]

"In the end the real bad guys are the ones distributing pirated media and devices, the people that take advantage by dling music movies games or anything how can u blame them? They are using thier internet connection for what its for."

I am going to go with my BMW analogy again here. If I steal a BMW and leave it parked on the street with the keys in it and someone else takes it are we not both guilty of stealing?? Or is the second person not a bad guy because I left it there for anyone to take??

[dazzalfc]

@ Dragon....good analogy. We used a similar one in discussions about theft during police training.

[Rainstorm81]

LLS really doshey ?? Piracy is illegal.....and Weed isnt (depending where u are)? . i said HALF...I'll learn some shyt, WHEN YOU LEARN TO READ and this is why i said i kinda agree with red sky

Redsky's "Hypocrites" line is right on.

As dazz said "Thats simply evolution in how we access information." yes and with that evolution music games and movies fell into the way we access info.

Good analogy but its more like if someone robbed a bank and dropped 1000$... hell 10000$ on your door step what would you do?????

Before you guys eat all my bubbles for having a conversation, Im a gamer and i like to see games i love strive, which means sales for the devs/ publisher, all my posts go to those who stick thier noses in the air that do illegal things as well. In the end sony will win this lawsuit as they should, but some try and label people as scum because they download..

Edit@below

I got that....i was just saying that shouldnt the jailbreak be illegal since it allows, illegal actions....Thats the entire reason sony is going to court, the jailbreak allows piracy

[skip2mylou]

look at what i said, "jailbreak is only for letting u use it with your own provider, but downloading the apps for free IS ILLEGAL"

[doshey]

haha redsky has 4 agrees and 20 disagrees, i wish i could have a 420 break anyways i have downloaded movies and games off torrent site, thats consider illegal to the extent i own a copy of everything i download, but its impossible for privacy to stay out of the internet, theres no security hold on it, its free to use, and everyone puts anything on the internet they even put pictures of poop, the problem with these guys is that they cant win against sony, sony has the power of fine print and terms of use

Edit no no you got it all mixed up ill only download them if im missing a disk or something, i dont do pirate games i pay for them, even though i have to miss out on alot of games
but idc it wont change your views on me cause thats your opinion and unfortunately that what alot of people dont realize on this site, its usually where all the fanboy wars start.
and it aint illegal to download something you own, i could remember reading that from something

[Rainstorm81]

even worse my 1st comment went 1-18....why? because on this site you arent allowed an opinion.

As u said u use torrent sites....is it right to buy RDR on PS3 then pirate on 360 or vice versa??

Is the "right" thing to do, is buy every thing twice... and buy things that arent worth the money like.....Dragonball evolution..SF legend of chun li...Dark void...Wanted weapons of fate.......yes you could gamefly or go to blockbuster, IMHO some thing are so horrible that they deserve to fail.....sorry

So doshey u really cant be that much against piracy...your Jack Sparrow!! Lol

Edit :
TBH i have no preconceptions about any person on this site, just speaking my opinion thats all....you can download games or pay for everything, i wouldnt care either way really....i know pirates and i know guys who never download it doesnt justify them as a person at all. besides im far from a fan boy im a gamer isnt that why we're here.

[RedSky]

I like how you all assume I don't buy any games.

I'm purely a PC gamer and would hardly be surprised if I spent more every year on games and music than any of the rest of you.

The difference is I don't give money to developers who milk franchises, carbon copy game concepts with a new coat of paint and instead only reward innovative gameplay, original storytelling and general quality.

I mean, how the hell are you supposed to tell a game is going nowadays without playing it?

Reviews? With the amount of marketing you see on sites like IGN, Gamespot do you REALLY trust their opinions? I've been burnt enough times to not.

Demos? Game demos have generally been replaced pre-rendered cut scenes before release that don't reflect the gameplay at all. It's far easier to sell a game with FMV.

Like I said before, enjoy buying games that hyped you into a consumer frenzy, only end up collecting dust on your shelf. Enjoy been willingly bent over and violated by publishers looking to pedal you their newest unoriginal sequel.

And ironically enough, this might actually convince me to buy a PS3 if it works and isn't patched by firmware. I bet I won't be the only one either!

Who would have thought huh? The ability to TRY TO BEFORE YOU BUY actually sells games and consoles!

[MWH]

@SilentNegotiator

what's up your ass attacking people in such an unjustifiable way? do what your name suggests, keep silent... fanboy pricks.

[SilentNegotiator]

LOL @ Quantronics. So full of themselves. So full of crap.

"TO THIS DAY, we stand for the same beliefs, values and will at ANY COST fight for what we believe in, the rights we should have and in a david vs goliath battle, we will give it our best"
Except David wasn't a thief and Goliath wasn't a corporation making awesome TVs and Games.

[wsoutlaw87]

if their "values" are that all games should be free to steal then that would result in no more games. Its a business not a charity.

[Non_sequitur]

If their goal was homebrew, why start with making back-ups. Back-ups make sense when trying to get your songs on CDs to your portable mp3 player but not on a console that stays in the same place everyday and not be able to take it everywhere with you doesn't make sense.

[yewles1]

False advertisement. It's not REALLY a jailbreak, it's a one trick pony.

[zoks310]

Eaxactly. Sony is David, and Goliath are the hackers, one is a thief and the other is trying to protec it's property from the thief.

[doshey]

hell ya sony aint fucking up with this like the psp

[ChronoJoe]

lol making statements about where you sent a batch of illegal shit does not put you in the clear. I'm not sure what they're getting at here, it's less illegal because homebrew is the moral side of jailbreaking?

Now Sony will want the units they gave away, probably setting down a lawsuit on whoever the homebrew developer was, too. It is Sonys property after all.

[doshey]

The order is for a continuation of the current emergency injunction that was granted yesterday.

The injunction is baseless, and is very unlikely that it will be continued or become permanent.

This makes absolutely no difference to those that have pre-orders as none of us will be receiving stock until the end of the week/next week anyway.

OMC, Modsupplier and myself are all close friends, share lawyers and have sought senior counsel for this matter.

We started in this industry as kids with a thought towards changing the countries views on copyright law, fair use and freedom.

TO THIS DAY, we stand for the same beliefs, values and will at ANY COST fight for what we believe in, the rights we should have and in a david vs goliath battle, we will give it our best.

Obviously now that the information is out, you will receive information straight from the horses mouth, as it were, and will know that we are the same as when we started, in my case 1998, someone who believes in the right to freedom.”

ahahah wow this aint freedom your talking about, you dumb fucks have entered a contract with sony the day you buy the ps3, the fine print can really bite you in the ass
there is a reason for copy rights, it so small people dont get something stolen from them they worked hard on to have a big company take it and say its theres.
I hope these guys go to hell this aint for freedom his is just being poor useless bastards

[ChronoJoe]

Props to them if they one day muster up the ability to hack the PS3 legitimately, but thinking they'd get away with selling tools stolen from SCE. Is a little ludicrous.

[nepeon]

I hope they don't give in. Go jailbreaker go! LMFA0. While this is going on the usb is already in the has of people before these sites were selling them lol. I hope Sony loses the case. Well time to order me....oops silly me lol.

[skip2mylou]

ya hope you like getting sent to jail for 10years

[ChronoJoe]

Only fear now is the software itself is leaked onto the internet.

Then again, Sony can clamp down there too. All the PS3 SDKs seem to have disappeared, for example. They used to be on usenet, but they were all mysteriously deleted!

[Non_sequitur]

I wonder why anyone would want homebrew programs on their consoles when PCs can do much more.

[Naughty Dog]

Give them hell! Ozmodchips has their business address on their site. Pay them a little visit Sony.

[ThePlaystationFour]

In Sony We Trust.

[commodore64]

Our Sony, which art in Japan,
hallowed be thy name;
thy kingdom come;
thy will be done,
on N4g, as it is on ps3 blogs.
Give us this day our daily hacker lawsuits.
And forgive us our trollings,
as we forgive those that troll against us.
And lead us not into 360 temptation;
but deliver us from evil MS.
For thine is the third place,
the cell power, and the fanboy glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.

/s

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/W...
Please, let's all get a sense of humour.

[LordMarius]

I'll admit I lol'd

[URIELXIV]

"One nation under SONY. In SONY I trust"

XD

[yewles1]

AMEN!!! (RA)

[URIELXIV]

that was an ELPRESADOR quote btw

[darkdoom3000]

Nice to see some action from sony.

[LordMarius]

lol the is a site called ps3jailbreak.com XD

[dosgrtr]

of the earth,give em hell Sony!

[rajman]

Ahhhh this is happening in Australia...good look with doing this in Europe Sony

[bunfighterii]

They just lost a bomb load of money. I read somewhere these guys mortgaged their houses for these shipments.

[AnnaDea]

Next week the dongle will be leaked on the internet. They have already cracked it and now they only need to make an CFW of it.

There's no stopping it now whether you want it or not. That' a fact! Look at the history of modchips/flashes and you will understand that it's totally useless to prevent it from happening.

[HeroXIV]

Go SONY! Bite those motherf*ckers with your crazy Japanese lawyer skills!

[Baltis]

Who cares? All you people saying "Stop this Sony!" are the same people who are seceretly hoping they don't. You are the very 1st people to be expected in line for the pc dump when it drops on a torrent site. Wait and see. When you can use an existing usb thumb drive you already own, and not have to pay 150 bucks for it, that's when you all will run to screw Sony over. I bet 90% of the people saying they won't are the exact same people who will. Just shut up and let nature take it's course.

Nothing is unhackable. It's made by man, afterall. How long do you honestly think they can go without it not being hacked? Think of it this way. Sony held the title for some time, but it's over and it's time they pass the torch. Because when Ps3 is usherd to the side by PS4 and no more updates come into it, do you honestly think Sony is going to care about it and it's hacking status? No. So, again, shut up.