New Vegas 'graphically no different to Fallout 3'

The guys over at GamesMaster somehow got their grubby little hands on an early version of Obsidian's Fallout: New Vegas.

[EL1TE]

I guess people already noticed that, however imo i don't have a problem with that, because imo what got me in Fallout 3 was the gameplay and not the graphics. Which is also what matters to me.

Imo Graphics < Gameplay.

[PhilipLarkin]

But still - I've slready played Fallout 3, and I don't really want to spend another 100+ hours on a game that looks the same and probably plays the same

[Chris_TC]

It's gotta run on the same consoles as Fallout 3, so obviously it's going to look almost the same.

[zeeshan]

ign xbox said otherwise http://n4g.com/news/588960/... om-fallout-new-vegas-heading-s o uth/com#c-4141663

it always did look like f3.

[A Cupcake for Gabe]

The graphics are outdated, but the game still makes really good use of the engine. The lighting on the strip looks very nice. Hopefully future titles will use the id tech 5 engine though.

My only issue is the glitches and bugs. Fallout 3 was the buggiest game of this gen, and it still was GOTY quality. I don't think New Vegas can still pack the same punch, regardless of quality, if the game is a buggy glitchfest. It's almost 2011; bugs and glitches on such a large scale should not be in games.

[SilentNegotiator]

"Imo Graphics < Gameplay"

Do people always have to whip this excuse out when developers do poorly on the graphics?
Just because they make a fun game, that doesn't mean we should excuse them from making mistakes.

[Frenza]

Graphics < Gameplay.
Nowadays it's all about the graphics and that is a sad thing..
It's nice to have something to look at but if the gameplay is shit then the game is shit. I hate when devs place graphics as an "Top Priority".

[MisterNiwa]

Yeah, I mean... Crysis only gets good ratings because of its Graphics. This is sad, real sad.

And the most sad part about it is, PC Gamer pretend to play this game just to say, YEAH WE GOT TEH GAMES WITH TEH GRAPHICS.
I never played such a boring game as Crysis for long. First time was cool, then.. meh.

I rather play Halo: Reach or Killzone 3 for their online modes.

[Chris399]

I play a tonne of JRPGs - ROF, Agarest and X-Edge, currently - and aside from FF, most of the graphics in these games are serviceable at best. But they have charm and depth and you can't just manufacture that.

That aside, it's always nice to play a AAA visual tour-de-force. But most of those games are over in 8-12 hours, they're not the games that I spend the bulk of my time on.

[Kingdom Come]

Due to your choice of Word's, I'm guessing you have never actually played Crysis, have you? You just rely on some low-res YouTube videos to make a judgement of the game, am I right? Crysis had superb Graphics, yes, still untouchable today if played on the highest of settings, but it also had fantastic gameplay. The funny thing is, you listed Killzone 3 as one of the games you would rather play but to be honest, it's incredibly generic, sure it has mechs in the multiplayer, so did F.E.A.R 2, it has Jetpacks, so did Red Faction Guerilla. Don't judge what you haven't played. And by the way, I have a PS3 and I've played both Killzone 1 & 2...

[MisterNiwa]

I dont have a high end PC you see? But I have friends with High End PC's and I've spent some time playing Crysis, but the Multiplayer was so meh...

Compared to Killzone 2 which is actually fun to play online.

Seriously, Crysis is no game that deserves a 9+ for its single player nor multiplayer.

[TheGameFoxJTV]

I don't know who told you this, but Crysis was very fun, espically with mods. The single player alone was worth the purchase, it was a weird, but good experience. And who doesn't like being a actual super soldier destroying a bunch of stupid enemies and aliens. XD

[Perjoss]

the real problem with graphics is graphics themselves, wait hear me out.

Yes graphics are important in most games, good graphics really help immerse you into the game world, bad lighting or low texture resolutions can really distract sometimes and break the illusion of being there. But here's my problem. When playing games like Crysis or Uncharted 2 you sometimes stop and look around and say to yourself "damn these graphics look good, look how real this looks" and there's the problem, the fact that you stop to focus on texture resolutions, view distances, depth effects, motion blur etc etc is also breaking the immersion, you are reminding yourself that its not a real place after the devs have worked so hard to try and trick your brain into partially believeing that you are really there.

Sometimes I wish I never knew anything about how game assets are made, wish I knew nothing about polygon counts or parallax mapping, I miss the days when I just used to say "this looks amazing and I'm having a ton of fun". I think when a game has average graphics and nothing too fancy you tend to just forget about the graphics and really get immersed and enjoy the game more?

[Matthew94]

Don't put Uncharted 2 beside Crysis for good graphics.

Thats like saying "Yeah, movies like Avatar and A Bug's Life have such good graphics."

[JsonHenry]

Did anyone expect anything different? The landscape and building and location will all be different of course. But the game itself has never once appeared to have anything special over the original.

The PC version might get some higher rez textures than the previous, but even that is a maybe. You can always just hack the .cfg file and change everything to run beyond the in game maximum settings. Higher rez textures, longer draw distances, things like that.

[Game-ur]

IMOO the art direction dos seem a bit better.
It's OK this time but for the future they should use the Rage engine, there is no reason not to, the company owns ID tech and the engine is open world friendly.

Just imagine great gameplay + incredible graphics.

[blodulv]

Fallout 3 gameplay??? It was good, but it wasn't necessarily great. Bethesda themselves stated that as a shooter it was probably middle of the road... it was the living breathing world and sheer amount of exploration that kept people engaged.

And that world stems largely from... cha-ching! Graphics and art style! They both matter, jus sayin'.

[socomnick]

This is retarded. Fallout 3 looked liek downright shit.

Bethesda acquired ID why not use them to make the game engines.

[TheGameFoxJTV]

We get texture updates. XD

[Lucreto]

I hope they worked more on the PS3 version of the game. The slowdown was horrible and it freezing got annoying when it happens for 100hrs.

[Nate-Dog]

Yeah it certainly hasn't looked much better in any trailers and previews. I mean of course the main thing is that it plays well and has a good story (etc.) but c'mon, there's no reason why they couldn't have touched up the graphics even a bit. It's just laziness on their part / rushing the game out too early.

[King_many_layers]

You've got to remember though, they're probably busy trying to get rid of all the bugs from the previous engines...

at the very least, they could have improved our character animations.... 4 years in and we#re still walking like robots ????????????

[Nate-Dog]

Yeah I guess you're right, but it was only the PS3 version that was bugged, wasn't it? And I personally didn't experience any of those (but i've certainly heard about how bad and irritating some of them were).

[Matthew94]

^^^ it was only the ps3 version that was bugged????

you HAVE to be joking, it was a mess on all platforms.

Take it from someone who has it on PC and PS3

[CrawFail]

In my experiences of F3 on both the 360 and PS3 they're both buggy as hell. The GOTY edition I have on PS3 in damn near unplayable at points, dropping down to crazy low frame rates and freezing outright, but that was mostly on the extra missions. I can't remember the 360 version being as bad but it was only the regular version and it was probably 3 years ago since I played it on 360.
Not seen it on PC though.

[PS3 Masta]

3 years since you played it on 360? Then you played it at least a year before it came out..

[TheGameFoxJTV]

My PC version didn't start freezing until i put some conflicting mods into my game. I think that broke the game for me, cause on the final level, it crashed like 20 times. XD

[JsonHenry]

I played the original on the PC. And I don't recall any bugs whatsoever.

[dosgrtr]

an improvement in graphics and gameplay

[TLG1991]

doesn't really bother me its not like its got terrible graphics and who expects rpgs to have amazing graphics anyways, they just don't

[HeroXIV]

Gothic 4, The Witcher 2, Mass Effect 2 all have pretty damn awesome graphics.

[tdrules]

on PC most RPGs look stunning...

[TLG1991]

ok yea i have mass effect 2 on pc and the graphics are amazing but then again its not like fallout open world sandbox type rpg (before anyone says anything im not ripping mass effect i LOVE that game and also fallout) so it is easier for mass effect to have better graphics, i cant be bothered explaining you will know what i mean lol

[Shazz]

its looks the same and plays same , is that a bad thing though as personally thought fallout 3 was friggin awesome and if the story is as solid then im happy as a pig in shizznit

[tdrules]

I love how you're all relying on Obsidian to make a good game.

[MexicanAppleThief]

Well, didn't they make the original Fallout 1 and 2? This game is pretty anticipated. Atleast for me.

[HeroXIV]

Edit oooooppppppppps need to do mah research. I think that a few of Black Isles don't remain in Obisidian and went to do their own projects but still you're right. :'(

[ZombieAutopsy]

Good maybe that means we will get a solid locked 30FPS without dropping or screen tearing.

[Fulensenca]

I agree. But this generation is proven we can have both, so why should I be magnanimous with THESE developers and pretend that is good a such old graphycs engine?

All it' s good if it is called Fallout, a lot less for other brands on the market.

Can' t see the logic here.

EDIT: I' m going to buy it used, I don' t want lazy and greedy developers to take my money.

[SilverSlug]

Because you have a Neurosis avatar, that is all you need.

[XactGamer]

That's obvious but we all know this is going to be a great time.

[Blazing_Crabs]

Didn't stop me for putting over 300 hours into it.

[Matthew94]

they are leaning towards the style of f1 and F2 which is a good thing imo.

they are continuing on with the story from theose games and ignoreing F3

[Nerox3]

Fallout sucks either way,no offense but the music just kills it...

[TLG1991]

the music is amazing in fallout at fits the game perfectly. just because its not your preference of music doesn't mean it ruins the WHOLE game, i hate you narrow minded people!

[mistajeff]

have you played the first two games? personally, i LOVE the music in those two. but i'll admit, especially after such a sweet soundtrack in the early games, the music in fallout 3 did feel really out of place.
edit: seriously, i'm just recalling my recent playthrough of fallout 2, the music does such a good job of establishing the mood. it may be a little repetitive but it's got this dark industrial groove to it that just fits the dark vibe of the world perfectly.

[writersblock]

"I dont want to set the world onnnn fire...."
"Crazy Calls me, sure im crazy, crazy in love I say"
"Bongo Bongo Bongo I dont wanna leave the Congo Oh no no no no no"
"He wackin and hackin and mackin, hackin, wackin, choppin that meat"
"Ohhh I'm a mighty might man, Im young and Im in my prime"
"Lets go sunning, its so good for you"
"But now god knowssss, anything goes...."
"The roads are the dustiest, The winds are the gustiest, waaay back home"

Classic, I loved the soundtrack

[3sq]

So it's a DLC then.

[JohnApocalypse]

It looks more colourful and crisp then Fallout 3 to me. To be honest, I don't care if the game isn't at Crysis 2 quality since they're giving you 100 hours of playtime

[Chuk5]

I hope it looks a little different. I mean come on you had to years, obsidian isn't the smallest company.

[za3redrum]

Whoe cares, if the gameplay is right, it doesn't care for me. I played the game on GamesCom. Looks good, but better then Fallout 3? I don't know, maybe a little, but the gameplay is the thing what's important.

[Dance]

could say the same about crackdown 2 and killzone 3 looking almost the same and fallout was always about gameplay not graphics

[King_many_layers]

Really ?? Kz2 was great visually, KZ3 looks to improve on everything whilst adding some serious AA and increasing the size and scope.

Whereas this is IMO looking the same with different colours and such.

[mistajeff]

they threw obsidian the same engine they used for fallout 3, what do people really expect here? it's not like bethesda is making upgrades to it, they're clearly gonna be using id tech 5 for their future projects. and it's not like a treyarch situation where it's been in development since before fallout 3 was out, they didn't offer obsidian the project until sometime in early 2009.

[ForROME]

Oblivion owns this game

[CombatEvolving]

Graphics do not matter. If I can play a game for 100+ hours then the devs made the right decisions when making the game.

[SHOGUN 36o]

This is a game that I could care less how it looked.

[writersblock]

Its been years on the same engine, and almost 2 years between titles. I cant remember a single sequel to any game that far apart without graphical improvements. I put almost 100 hours into Fallout 3, but the game looked terrible.
Its expected that you at least improve the graphics a bit with each release, but they're still on the same engine. Im sure itll have the same glitches (everyones familiar with the "bang bang bang" noise you get when walking into a building and something metal gets stuck in the ground"

[turgore]

this is news ?