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How can Sony stop the PS3 "jailbreak"?

"Today's biggest news wasn't the stuff coming from Gamescom... No, it was the news of a PS3 being hacked."

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Baltis5011d ago

Ever since I heard this news I've been listening to "Thin Lizzy's - Jail Break". "Tonight there's gonna be a jail break ba-da-dum!" Good song. Maybe They should use it to promote it.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

rroded5011d ago

jailbrakings legal now... so no ones gonna get fined

but ya sony is def gonna try n patch this asap lets jus wait n see how it plays out...

o n takin usb off the ps3 is plain stupid if you think about it.

jerethdagryphon5011d ago

jailbreaking a phone or pdf is legal

jailbreaking a console where the entire purpose is piracy is not

BubbleSystemSuck5011d ago

if you just call it Jailbreak, means is just jailbreak?

can i kill people on the street and say "hey, im just jailbreaking"

Nitrowolf25011d ago

lol one problem this isn't jailbreaking
that is just the name for it, this is putting th ePS3 into debug mode, dev mode, which is illegal to own one

sack_boi5011d ago

By releasing a new PS3 model without USB ports.

Neko_Mega5011d ago

But being able to use your cell phone with someone other then AT&T Vs modding your PS3 to do things that screw developers out of money isn't the same.

Chaos695011d ago (Edited 5011d ago )

Obviously the removal of "OtherOs" didn't stop people from hacking the PS3, so what's next?

@Neko_Mega
for some people PS3jailbreak = MKV and emulators.

nickjkl5011d ago (Edited 5011d ago )

its not the hacking that takes skill its stopping an outbreak of a hack that truly shows skill

besides sony probably has a bunch of hackers trying to hack the ps3 everyday to patch exploits

rroded5011d ago (Edited 5011d ago )

u use it to play backups of games u own (pretty sure it applies to the USA Canada n most of Europe) or use it to play homebrew apps n the likes...

personally id b happy if piracy wasnt an option but i wont deny its going to b used for that.

n theres no law stopping sony from patching out this exploit if they can.

edit @ morgan ya we know its going to b used for piracy but it can b used legit if you only play backups of games you own n run homebrew... n it looks like it does really work.
http://www.sankakucomplex.c...

morganfell5011d ago (Edited 5011d ago )

Jailbreaking is legal in the case of individuals placing lawfully purchased and owned software on a device. This isn't being done for the purposes of jailbreaking.

Also, companies have the right to undo your jailbreak with a software update.

And personally I am skeptical it works. Why not show actual gameplay?

Chaos695011d ago

Well there you go.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

It's been confirmed, it works.

sack_boi5011d ago

Basically this means MKV support, PS2 BC, region unlocking DVD/BBLURAY/PS1,PS2, emulators, being able to fully install all your PS3 games...

SCThor5011d ago

Just days after Gamescon start, where Sony showed a lot of BIG hitters for this and the next year, someone "out of the blue" releases a 100% functional usb-mod for backing up and playing any game, looks like they got some help from "inside" if you know what I mean.

Everybody and their moms know that a very large part of PS2 success besides a big library, was the fact it can play "backup" games, so in my head, Sony is playing the ALL OUT game to take down competition once and for all.

Neko_Mega5010d ago

Yes but who would really use it for that kind of stuff if they can easily get a PS3 game and save it to their hard drive without buying the game?

Plus that isn't counting people that might try to use it to mod their games to win on games like MW2 or MAG. So yeah it is best not to have it at all.

Sony doesn't need to remove anything to do it, just software to find it or force you to reformat your USB flash drive, draw back is for the people that keep game files on a USB flash drive in case of something happens to the PS3.

Well it is going to hurt them.

bakasora5010d ago

dont use the word jailbreak because when i hear jailbreak i think of iphone. Mod is better sound for ps3.

morganfell5010d ago

No, there you do not go. Do you know the definition of gameplay? If not you can save a lot of money and just download pictures of gameplay off the internet, read how the game ends and viola! You just saved $59.

And BTW, good luck finding very many PS3 games under 4GB. You see that external drive is formatted to FAT32. Let's see what you get on there...

kneon5010d ago

@morganfell

4gb is the file size limit on fat 32, you can format much larger drives than that with fat 32. I have 500gb fat32 formatted drives.

badz1495010d ago

you don't get it do you? you can have 2TB of drive but in order for the PS3 to recognized it via USB, it must be formatted as FAT32. the problem with that is the maximum size of a single file on a FAT32 formatted device must be <4GB wherelse a PS3 game sizing that small are too rare or close to not existing at all. so, what's left is your internal HDD for those backups but you can't upload it to the net either because there's currently no way you can access PS3 HDD from a pc without taking it out 1st and it's still unreadable unless if you have a special stuff on your pc for that to happen. plus you can't copy the backup to an external device either as the size will be >4GB! so, it's unless until somebody can find a way the PS3 can read games from home made BD-R, there's no other way but you have to at least rent a game to do this or wait for somebody to enable the ps3 to do the unzipping/unraring so that downloaded backup can work!

jebabcock5010d ago

Jailbreaking is not game piracy.. don't mesh the two.. it does simplify the process, but there are plenty of other reasons to unlock the ps3 other than to facilitate obtaining free games... the ps3 linux community would love to have their other os back, and have full access to resources there(which they never could get without a hack of some sort). The whole linux side itself was awesome for researchers. I can think of just as many or more legal reasons to hack the ps3 as i can the iphone or any other phone or device. The comment about it being different is foolish.. the Jailbreak community for iphone is full of pirated apps and games(emulators and roms just to start)...

Honestly I cant help but stress that there are two different things here. there is jail breaking and then there is piracy... Jail breaking is legal no matter what system you are talking about. As long as you own the system, you can do with it how you please so long as you don't use it in a way that harms others. No one can tell you differently without infringing on your rights... it would be like toyota suing you for replacing the transmission on your car... They can't. the product is yours... However, buying that product doesn't give you the right to make copies of that car and distribute them... That falls in with copyright infringement... Thats where piracy comes into play.

summary:
Jailbreak simply means to unlock... its legal and can lead to alot of positive results.
piracy = bad, not legal, you are stealing from companies by obtaining illegal copies of some software and using it without purchase or permission from its owner... two different things..

repeat one more time... TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!!

SideNote: you gotta respect the fact that the ps3 held out for a dang good long time.... The fact that it took this many years for them to finally crack the puppy is crazy.. it took all of a couple days to bust the new iphone 4 open... all other consoles have long since been hacked...

Omegasyde5010d ago

this is a *unlicensed* 3rd party device, which is going on Sale for profit with no proceeds going to Sony. Think about it.

MEANING - not authorized for sale or use, therefor illegal through TOS. If it was given out for free, the ruling would be difficult. But obviously the maker/inventor plans on making a profit.

I remember in the 1990's, with the pro action replay for the original PSX. this device could easily allow someone to play burnt games on data cd's. Heck I am guilty of it, but it was mostly to play import games.

Ironically Sony sued Datel (MAKERS of pro action replay) during the ps2 days because the PS2 Pro action replay put the PS2 into Debug mode as well
Here is the link:
http://www.betanews.com/art...

Iphone jail break = free, do it yourself.
PS3 jailbreak thumb drive is being sold....Easy law suit.

The Lazy One5010d ago

@badz

you should be able to file copy over the network and not have the 4gb size limitation from removable media.

morganfell5010d ago (Edited 5010d ago )

Yes you can but file management, which several people apparently misunderstand, is another matter.

Well well well:

http://www.tqcast.com/2010/...

And whoops!

http://www.wired.com/threat...

kneon5009d ago

@badz149

I do get it, but I don't think games are stored on the disk as a single huge file. If you need to store the ISO image of the game on the USB drive then yes the 4gb limit will be a problem. But having to use ISO images doesn't make sense as they are using a debug mode of the PS3. In debug mode you would want to have more fine grained access to the game resources so you can swap out individual files, that's more painful if you have to create a new ISO after each change.

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East_Coast5011d ago

Regular updates and a sort of verification system every time you login to PSN.

Raendom5011d ago (Edited 5011d ago )

Games downloaded from PSN actually need you to be signed into PSN to start them up (Gran turismo 5 Prologue is one of them. If you bought it off PSN try playing it without internet access).

MiloGarret5011d ago

Huh? Exactly zero of my 6-7 PSN games require me to be logged in to PSN. No, obviously I don't own GT5 Prologue.

scofios5010d ago

@Milo Garret
I have 10 psn games and only 1 of them requires me to be logged in to PSN ,that is the one that i recently bought final fight + double inpact ,

zeeshan5010d ago

I am sure SONY will do everything to make sure this doesn't spread out but I am afraid that there is little that can be done now. Suppose that even SONY disables USB, there are still ways to handle that as well. It's just a matter of time because the code inside that USB is distributed to hackers around the world. How difficult would it be for hackers to simply make a boot disk type of things? I am thinking, not too difficult. It's the code that is the real thing here and not the usb/boot disk/card readers etc.

I highly doubt Sony will even consider disabling the USB. That my friends is not the solution and it will only hamper PS3 sales and won't help them in many ways!

I guess the best to go about this is legal system. It seems that the code used to run PS3 in debug mode was stolen from Sony. Just a speculation, nothing confirmed but if that is indeed the case then Sony can easily file lawsuits that'll prevent their own IP to sold as stolen material.

Lets hope this piracy thing doesn't ruin gaming for all of us! I still can't stand the fact that because of one damn ahole (geo hotz), we had to loose our INSTALL OTHER OS feature! Stop messing with consoles and keep cracking nuts in your kitchen or whatever!

zeddy5010d ago

lets not forget DRM on new ps3 titles, you might not go online but atleast the drm on the discs could prevent playing of a hardrive.

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Death24945011d ago

they've already been shut down!!!! PS3 FTW

Snakefist305011d ago (Edited 5011d ago )

SERIOUSLY!!!!

EDIT:LOL " http://psjailbreak.com/&quo... HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN. That didn't take long.Good Job Sony Ur THE MAN.

WetN00dle695011d ago (Edited 5011d ago )

Not unless they catch the source. They might stop the sellers BUT as long as the source is still out there this little problem will never end. The only thing Sony can do at this point is to create a patch. Kill the virus before it spreads.

Biggest5010d ago

I guess paying $170 for something that will probably be rendered useless in the next week is a smart idea. I hope many people buy one very soon.

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davekaos5011d ago

All sony has to do is implement digitally signed drivers into a new update, this will then scan any usb device to check if its been signed, if it has not it wont work.

Also did anybody check the link, psjailbreak has been shutdown already.
Well done sony fight that corner

Chris3995011d ago (Edited 5011d ago )

They were clearly using a DEBUG UNIT. The site has been SHUT DOWN. They were probably just trying to scam money as much money as they could from idiots eager to fork over $170, before they got caught.

The PS3 might get jail-broken some day, but with security on almost every part of the hardware, it's probably not going to come from a USB key.

longcat5010d ago

Shhhhh!!!

Lets just sit back and watch the fanboys run around in circles for a while.

at least its not another topic about sales

WetN00dle695010d ago (Edited 5010d ago )

Whatever helps you sleep at night man.
Remain in your denial state of mind all you want.
Fact of the matter is the system has been jail broken.
More and more sites are review the little USB. And there is nothing we can do about it ONLY Sony can shut these guys down.

JsonHenry5010d ago

jailbreaking is legal. However whatever you do with it after that is not always gonna be defined as legal. But simply jailbreaking it is no longer illegal.

Domer255010d ago

So now their are three definites in life: Death, Taxes, Hackable consoles.

too bad, hope we don't lose features for this.

PopEmUp5010d ago

my mkv, ps2 games load my ps3 games faster, hey this is a must have for me, but don't get me wrong I still buy games except that this is like a features I been waiting for

FACTUAL evidence5010d ago (Edited 5010d ago )

O! Sony is gunna rid of this. Enjoy for the 19 hours you pirates have left.

HDgamer5010d ago

lol you clearly don't have a ps3, there is no such thing as region lock for it.

Omegasyde5010d ago (Edited 5010d ago )

All Sony has to do it require all thumb drives to be formatted before use.
If anything this screws over the people whom want to transfer saves.

Also this is a *unlicensed* 3rd party device, which is going on Sale for profit with no proceeds going to Sony. Think about it.

MEANING - not authorized for sale or use, therefor illegal through TOS. If it was given out for free, the ruling would be difficult. But obviously the maker/inventor plans on making a profit.

I remember in the 1990's, with the pro action replay for the original PSX. this device could easily allow someone to play burnt games on data cd's. Heck I am guilty of it, but it was mostly to play import games.

Ironically Sony sued Datel (MAKERS of pro action replay) during the ps2 days because the PS2 Pro action replay put the PS2 into Debug mode as well
Here is the link:
http://www.betanews.com/art...

This device more than likely sprung up from the tinkering of an actual Debug system (PS3). If anything this moves doesn't hurt gamers, but actually developers (Indie developers are going to get hurt) and might actually increase the prices for a PS3 test unit. Obviously this was tinkered with a debug unit (actual test unit).

And to end this short essay, this scam is going to be a big bait and switch. Sony will patch like Microsoft patched Memory card in the end of 2009. Once again read the link
http://www.betanews.com/art...

If you ordered this (if possible) get your money back as soon as possible before the website owner grabs your money and runs.

And honestly if you feel the absolute need to pirate games because you feel they aren't worth the money...just rent the damn game or do game trades online. Here is a link:
http://www.switchgames.com/...

Game fly also works for some:
Gamefly.com

Chris3995010d ago

People don't realize that this is a scam, and are merely frothing at the bit that TEH PS3 IZ CRAKED!.

Bubbles for having some sense.

xAlmostPro5010d ago

Wow look at these comments.. 95% of you dont actually know anything and just assume "ps3 jailbreak" means piracy or homebrew lol.. WRONG!

it wont allow piracy because it only allows you to back up games that you already have on disc(thats also why this is actualy legal) i guess some people will copy a friend game here & there BUT that wont be on anymore of a scale than gamesharing..

so yeah maybe find out the real info before assuming that this will allow people to pirate games on a mass scale lol

vhero5010d ago

The thing is this mod comes with a backup loader built on so its never gonna be legal. As for removing USB thats stupid as poeple wouldn't be able to charge controllers if they have no other USB ports on anything else so won't happen. A simple firmware update will block it dead. Since you need to upate to latest firmware to play online it will kill online play too.

xAlmostPro5010d ago

thats why its legal because it only has the ability to back up from disc.. and if you own the console, harddrive, game, device then they are your and your free to do what you want with them.. which is why they can say its 'legal'

bartender645010d ago

instead of disabling the usb ports, Sony can prevent the usbsticks from booting code and only use them as media managers, kind of like how the xbox 360 used pendrives before the last update you could only play music videos or pictures, but you couldn't copy any file from usbsticks to console. But who knows how this will end...

Noble Spartan5010d ago

Oh yes! The PS3 dark side potentila is unleashed!

I can't wait to run

emulators
homebrew
apps
psx games
ps3 games

and more! going to be awesome. When the dongle going to be available? I am very interested in PS3 now.

but one thing games going to take very long to download!!! 50GB?!

Narutone665010d ago

the PS3 to overtake the 360 and Wii in the number of console sold. Then the 360 fans can't argue sales anymore.

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aceofspades5011d ago

P...A...T...C...H... I...T...

Zinc5011d ago (Edited 5011d ago )

Simply patching it probably won't make it go away. The way they claim the hack works, means... well... a patch would only be a temporary solution, because they can't simply get rid of the debuging aspect of the machine that they are using as the exploit.

If this does what it says it does, in the way it claims, it's not simply going to be patched away. Look at this from an objective standpoint, not from the standpoint that Sony is all powerful and can do anything. I think it's pretty amazing it has been 4 years without a viable hack.

My god, the PS2 was hacked to hell and back and they still sell units and games in other parts of the world to this day.

Thecraft19895011d ago (Edited 5011d ago )

its not simple they can only remove the service that the usb puts the ps3 in. they can not remove service mode as Sony use it when repairing your ps3.

the only other way is to disable usb and only let give out power to charge or disable usb to the ps3 gets into the xmb as usb will not work unless you power down the console boot up with it.

Eamon5011d ago

lol aceofspades, software patching isn't like sticking a plaster on a cut. This is programming here. Way out of your league.

Now I'm wondering whether this will turn into a cat and mouse game like xbox 360 and PSP.
They also claim that that the feature used by Sony to force gamers to install new fw from the game has been bypassed. They also claim it's okay to play online just like the PSP.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

ALFAxD_CENTAURO5011d ago (Edited 5011d ago )

''Hacks = piracy, piracy = low sales, low sales = less games (or less INVENTIVE games you can always count on CoD... Sigh...) and less games = a boring fucking time.''

Indeed, Xbox 360 and Wii have been hacked years.

Zinc5010d ago

It seems to me that back in the days of DOS or even pre-DOS, piracy was huge. Your argument is false. It is propaganda. Look up the word propaganda and disinformation. Some of you guys put too much stock in sound bites and tag lines. This is why the same dirt-bag politicians get elected. This is why they have marketing campaigns that study the human condition and what motivates us to buy bullshit and think it's sunshine and unicorns.

Sure, people make something, they should be compensated. Everybody understand that. It sucks for some that some others get something for free.

Do you honestly see much innovation going on in the mainstream AAA development community? Do you think piracy is really the main reason for that? Why is it that the DS/GBA are some of the most pirated platforms around, yet they are constantly making money hand over fist? Modern Warfare has sold 20 million copies and it was pirated to hell and back. One of the most pirated games in existence, The Sims series and Spore also some of the biggest sellers in the history of gaming.

Crysis was pirated the shit out of and yet it still sold Millions of copies since it came out in 2007. I could go on and on. This list is never ending.

They are feeding you lies and you eat them up like candy. These hardware companies have created armies of loyalists and yesmen. They have done the things of a politicians wet dream.

Most of the developers out there are owned by one publisher or another... it's all of god damn pyramid scheme. Try supporting the real innovators in the marketplace... But, since those are mainly PC/MAC/Linux developers, you don't even know who I mean, do you?

vhero5010d ago

You post a theory about piracy lowering sales then post 360 in the same comment. Epic Fail.. Piracy has boosted 360 sales soo much and RROD combined with piracy was golden as you couldn't send your broken 360 to MS to be repaired as it was modded.

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GodHandDee5011d ago

No? not that type of jail break? my bad

then sue the dumb *%&%&($@ is a good way to go

Capdastaro5011d ago

Get a man from Sony to come round and glue up every USB port on every PS3...

...Already I can see the logistics implications in that, so maybe a quick patch and a system check to like what xbox uses to check for flashed drives and other such mods to crack down on it?

danmachine5011d ago (Edited 5011d ago )

i don't think this was the biggest news of gamescom... for me it was resistance 3 being officially announced.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers13d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken12d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g13d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing13d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H913d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola13d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66913d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle13d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg13d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos13d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola13d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies34d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken33d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga33d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken33d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6433d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long33d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197233d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic33d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12533d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91333d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer33d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91333d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit33d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher33d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6933d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit33d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher33d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken33d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197233d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic33d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2333d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218333d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder33d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts33d ago

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