Mafia II - Final PS3 Build Has No Grass, Less Blood and Inferior Cloth Movement

2K Elizabeth on the Official Mafia II forums has this to say about the Final Build of the PS3 version of Mafia II:

"Hey guys,

When designing Mafia II, we optimized for each of the three different systems the game would run on to make sure the core experience was the best it could be. Because of this, there are some differences from one platform to the next. In terms of the PS3 version, I wanted to clarify a couple points you have been asking about: There will not be highly detailed grass or large pools of blood, the cloth movement is less noticeable than, for example, the PC version, and the visual fidelity in the demo is generally representative of what you’ll see in the full game. "

[Hellsvacancy]

Well, thats a day-1 buy downgraded 2 a rental, im wise when it comes to buyin games so i feel like ive let myself down on this game, was really lookin 4-ward 2 it aswell

What pisses me off is we all know the PS3 is a number of stars above the 360 (the games show that) so y on earth should i hav 2 settle 4 second best?

Lazy development is my guess, its like, do u think they even played the both games after? "hmmmm, theres no grass in the PS3 version", "its ok, who-ever looks down at the grass anyway"

So now comes the wait for Fallout Veags :-(

[Nitrowolf2]

agree, there is no reason it should be like that, it should be on Par. Even little details like this become noticable. It not that it really doesn't bother me that there are less details just the fact that the devs seem lazy over fixing a little problem.

[ExplosionSauce]

Also, I love how some people bellow immediately jump to hate on a certain system, this time being the PS3, the moment articles like this comes out. These guys pop out suddenly.
Some like to say N4G is PS3-fan dominated, but let's be honest, it's pretty damn even.
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[On topic]
I don't know how 2K will respond to this. I mean, we have seen better on the PS3. And simple things like these are signs of some poor development choices. Some devs don't learn or take note from previously made mistakes. You just can't develop for the PS3 the same way you would for 360 or PC.
I still think it's a good game, but come on.

Also:
"we optimized for each of the three different systems the game would run on to make sure the core experience was..."
I believe I've heard this excuse before too.

[WhittO]

4+ years and there are STILL Devs incapable of good programming for the PS3?

No excuses now, people said don't call them lazy etc if some devs find it difficult to code for, but it has been YEARS, there really is no excuse for this to still be happening in mid 2010!

[Aquanox]

Those Gamespot shots were obviously bullshots. Sadly, we'll have to avoid the PS3 version at all cost. PC version is definitely the one to get but if you only have consoles, you need to go for the Xbox 360 version.

[SilentNegotiator]

So that creative director was full of crap when he claimed that they were identical.
I don't buy games from liars. I'll wait to get it used and cheap.

@Mandatory_Install
Oh noes! We have to deal with more content instead of grass!?
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
And you have to admit, with 2K members claiming identical versions and prettier screens from content EXCLUSIVE to the ps3 version, it was definitely looking like they would be identical.

[niceguywii60]

Well the PS3 version was already proven to be inferior most often if the game is inferior in a demo comparison there is a reason one version is inferior and will be reflected in the final game.

Devs struggle with the PS3 so they started to cater to the lowest common denominator(PS3) using PS3 as lead so the PS3 would never have to struggle with the 360's advantages by default(despite PS3 being the lead in some games the 360 versions always matched or where/are superior). I see the trend is changing once again to the way it was.
Devs are starting to develop simultaneously again due to the fierce competition with other developers allowing them to get their best work out at the cost of different quality variants across platforms yet not held back by one platform across the board.

PS3 fans will do damage control in response to anything bad about PS3 you can never believe their damage control SDF articles that follow bad PS3 news or PS3 fanboy articles leading up to an gaming event etc.

[karl]

c'mon guys... MAFIA2 will be such an awesome game.

the ps3 version may be inferior to the other platform and even though i agree that it shouldnt.. i dont think u guys should miss this great game

if u have a pc ... played it there same if u have a 360 .. but dont let this game pass .. i will buy it on ps3...

[blind-reaper]

instead of "EXCLUSIVE CONTENT" they should have invested those resources in "finishing" the PS3 version.

[DaTruth]

I have to disagree. Demos for PS3 are always compressed for distribution so the Ps3 demo does not necessarily have to reflect the finished product! The Ps3 demo for Batman:AA was inferior to the 360 demo, but he finished retail version was superior!

The 360 is tailored for compression, so highly compressed downloadable demos perform better, while the PS3 is tailored for streaming of uncompressed data and textures so compressed demos wouldn't generally perform well!

But considering that most multiplat devs compress the PS3 version of their games for no apparent reason(only thing I can think of is a straight port of the compressed 360 version), it is highly likely that you are right.

[Hallmark Moment]

They finished the game they just turned some things off and downgraded some things in the ps3 version so ps3 could run the game.
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[BISHOP-BRASIL]

There is a reason, Cell architeture isn't like PC. Last gen optimizing games for multiple consoles was almost as easy as set configurations for a PC game. This gen devs would have to actually redo parts of the program to fit the Cell architeture right, develop way better engines to work multiplat, reasign many of what usually are core CPU and GPU tasks to one of the SPEs, test a lot more to find the best they can take from the machine with their code, work with smaller (through faster) XDR Main RAM while organizing the video data to go to dedicated VRAM (256MB GDDR3)... It takes time, money and talent (this later one which many simply don't have), even if you try to avoid the PC port hell and lead development at PS3, in which case you also won't end up with code ready to port for PC and 360 (but as PC architeture is more familiar it's quickier and cheaper to optimize for it, and things like grass won't go missing somewhere through the process).

In other words, many Devs and Publishers simply prefer to have less work/cost and put out flawed games than actually deserve those 60 bucks. Although it's a reason it's not a good excuse.

[maxcer]

@DaTruth

"The 360 is tailored for compression, so highly compressed downloadable demos perform better, while the PS3 is tailored for streaming of uncompressed data and textures so compressed demos wouldn't generally perform well!"

lol omg what a load of pure bull shit.

[bakasora]

I played the demo i can see that the quality of texture arent so great. Now thats some lazy sh!t!

[FarEastOrient]

I've downgraded my purchase from collector's edition to wait for it on sale...

[FACTUAL evidence]

ORLY?? Explain why FF13 is inferior on the 360 then.

[HSx9]

http://i34.tinypic.com/2447...

[Foliage]

This is embarrassing. When you create a PC game and place it on both consoles like they have, the PS3 performs twice as fast immediately. I've had this happen with 4 games I worked on.

Unfortunately you are left with nothing else to do but focus your optimization on the 360 alone to make up for the lack of space and terrible processor. As a result, you leave the PS3 version on the shelf because it didn't need as much optimization.

In the end you have a PS3 game with very little optimization, and a 360 game that was optimized to death and barely runs anyway (Mafia 2 on 360 has no AA and terrible screen-tearing). That's the hard truth.

In this case they probably ran out of time and shipped whatever they had, which is terrible from a developer of their caliber... embarrassing really. No other words... maybe "pathetic", that also comes to mind. Instead of optimizing the PS3 version, they went with the quick fix of disabling anything they could switch off. This is an obvious sign that they paid very little attention to the PS3 game. Grass and emitters are not something you plan to cut, those are things you cut because you ran out of time.

I'm not buying this game. I was going to, but no amount of DLC in the world will cover this up. Even 360 owners will get screwed, sine their game runs worse than the PS3 version (at least they have the small details though)....

pathetic.

[nycredude]

Look at all the comments of hypocrites. All the people talking down teh Ps3 version and talking up the 360 should just stop talking. Cause if it was that important to you that the game ran good then you wouldn't consider either version and go with the Pc version.

I paid it off on steam already and am playing through Mafia 1 for free while I wait for the superior version to unlock.

[kasasensei]

@Datruth
"Demos for PS3 are always compressed for distribution so the Ps3 demo does not necessarily have to reflect the finished product!"

Ridiculous. omg you failed so hard! XD
Demos are never representative, but there is no "more compression with the ps3 and it's leading to a biased representation of the game", you are saying bullshit.

[T9X69]

Well I tried to tell everyone here those Gamespot screenshots where the PC version using a PS3 controller, but noooooooooooooo I'm an "Xbox Fanboy" and I was just trolling.

[danfry]

When compared to PC and 360 (which are practically identical, PC's are just very, very powerful 360's), the PS3 is radically different to code for. In fact, whilst the PC version just needs a simple port to the 360, the PS3 needs an entirely different engine for the game to run on. This is of course very, very expensive as the entire architecture of the code has to be changed for a good PS3 port.

So what has happened here is that despite the above, the developers still just port the code to the PS3, but because of the different hardware of the PS3, the game has to be simplified a lot, only using 2 of the 8 PS3's processing cores and so on.

This is like having a Ferrari, but only doing 35MPH because there is a Horse Box in front of you.

[0mega4]

computers have more power of course there will be some that will be able to play them at the highest settings

yet some will play on a lower setting much like what playing on the console version is like

it will have no effect on game play

[frostypants]

Looks like if I'm gonna play this game it'll be on my 360. Note the "if". Since these devs are too lazy to make freaking grass on the PS3, I can only imagine that their laziness and ineptitude will manifest itself in other areas of the game as well, on all platforms.

So, I'm just not going to bother with this game at all. I'm not going to reward mediocrity.

[moparful99]

Enough! People need to stop speculating as to why the ps3 has issues when it comes to ports.. It has nothing to do with the ps3 being inferior or a bad system it has everything to do with a design decision. Because the cell uses spe's it only has a single core so developers get the code running on the single core and leave the spe's untouched. THIS is why multiplats suffer on ps3, they are only using a fraction of the calculation potential of the ps3. Sony and ibm created the cell with split memory 256 each for pre and post processing so when the single core is used half of the memory is available... I really wish deevelopers would learn to use the spe's seeing as they offer huge advantages in processing on the ps3 but due to time or money or whatever reasons they do not.. We get inferior ports more often then not...

[The Lazy One]

"This is embarrassing. When you create a PC game and place it on both consoles like they have, the PS3 performs twice as fast immediately. I've had this happen with 4 games I worked on. "

Which games are those? I can tell you right now, nobody who's worked on any game that's actually licensed for both consoles would ever say such a thing. While it may be true, saying something like that would probably lose you your job or at least land you in a lot of hot water.

Also it's stupid. The PS3 would never perform twice as fast immediately. It's a completely different architecture. The only way it would perform better immediately would be if you programmed it poorly for the PC in the first place.

It could perform better after a couple months of work, but it would never perform better immediately.

[BrianB]

Teh power of teh cell

[RememberThe357]

That gives them less of a reason. If 2k wants to drag their feet then they will have to take less sales.

[D4RkNIKON]

Yeah it is the Cell's fault, not the devs. You must be some kind of Genius! /s

The PS3 can do Uncharted and GOW but can't pull off Mafia II because... DEVS

[ExplosionSauce]

This isn't a matter of hardware. We've definitely seen better on the PS3.

[SeanRL]

What makes me mad was that at one point, 360 fanboys were bitching about how their version was superior. Then, ps3 fanboys started bitching about how it's equal. Now everyone is gonna be bitching!

Oh, and there is no excuse not to fix this.

[BrianG]

It is def not a hardware issue, this is just lazy development. If they can not get the game to run equally as good, then they need to fire who they have developing for the PS3 and get more experienced people. It is just about 4 years since the PS3 launched, there is no excuse for this type of development.

Yea the CELL may be harder to program for, if thats the case get more experienced people.

By the way, this goes for both systems, there is no reason for sub par multiplats on XBox neither. If you cant make them equal, don't make it.

[Brosy]

The Cell might theoritically be more powerful, but you would never know it looking at the PS3's games. 2 games that look exceptional is pathetic compared to the amount of titles on the market. Oh well, 2k Czech isn't exactlly famous for making great games anyway.

[JackBNimble]

I have the Mafia 2 demo on both PS3 and PC, and I tell ya they are pretty much the same.
The PC version didn't seem all that much better then the PS3, maybe a little crisper but I really didn't notice any difference in the grass or anything else for that matter.

EDIT: Just to be clear .... the PC version ain't all that shit hot either!

[darkziosj]

just like all the ps3 multiplatform games nothing new

[gamingdroid]

I think people are missing the point, it isn't about if the hardware is capable. It is about human resources and software technology that better fits the current technology.

The Cell may well be a supercomputer when it comes to cranking out Fast Fourier Transforms or whatever other calculations, but it is not as good for general computation. Cell is designed to do fast computation on repeated calculations, not on memory intensive tasks.

This means that a lot of the current programming paradigms will not work on the Cell. You will have to redesign the software from scratch and this is no laughing matter. That is very costly, not to mention the learning curve.

Devs or not, Sony isn't innocent. This is the result of supposed "superior" technology introduced when the market isn't ready.

[n4gno]

"just like all the ps3 multiplatform games nothing new"

only xbox dreamers believe that kind of joke (it's less pathetic than others "ooposite world" examples, like "you have no games", or "x more powerfull than ps3", but always sad to see misinformed people trying to misinform others)

[FarEastOrient]

@gamingdroid

No it basically boils down to talent, and for the comparison of the PS3 I'll have to use the PC as an example. I'm using a Quad-Core i7 which is really nice, yet even Starcraft II isn't using it to full specs and Civilization 5 isn't expected to either.

I use an 8-Core for my servers yet many of the programs feeding through the system maxes out at Duo-Cores.

What I'm getting at even though technology has gotten better, human programming isn't catching up as fast and definitely not passing the current limitations. Moore's law is working for machines but human processing is still too slow, need to change on how one thinks about writing code.

[Kurt Russell]

The only time PS3 games look any good is after years and years of development as an exclusive. It's a shit to program for, which is clear when not viewed through fanboy goggles - Only person to blame is Sony for that, not "lazy programmers" etc... These lazy programmers do a great job on other systems. Wake up smell the roses people.

Chumps

[frostypants]

Brosy, 2 games? Metal Gear, Little Big Planet, GT5:P, Uncharted, Uncharted 2, GOW, Wipeout HD, etc. None of these have an equal on the 360. And I own both platforms, so don't try to BS me here.

[0mega4]

but its exclusives rival graphics achieved on very highend computer systems

ps3 in comparison with the 360 wins hands down in the graphical compartment of gaming

the xbox may come out with the most sales but the ps3 will be remembered as developers pushing it to its limits and creating some of the best games of the generation

[gamingdroid]

Actually, NO! Your logic is kind of really far off base.

Human programming? I don't even know what that means?

As processing power gets faster and programming projects gets bigger, what do you think the developers will put resources into? Maximizing the performance or put more resources into finishing the product?

My point being, hardware (and hence programming tools) should focus on how a programmer can most EASILY take advantage of a available computing power. There is no point in exerting an extra 80% work, to squeeze out 5-10%! That is not economical.

[S_C]

why should less grass make a day 1 go to a preowned ?

[RememberThe357]

Instead of looking for ways around the issues they had with the PS3, they left is alone and gave PS3 buyers some exclusive DLC. That's lame.

There are a ton of games coming out and that I have passed up, you have to earn my purchase. Thats is not how you do it. And since now that my 360 crapped out all I can play is my PS3. The PS3 version is like an unfinished 360 version and that's bull shit.

[MiloGarret]

"Instead of looking for ways around the issues they had with the PS3, they left is alone and gave PS3 buyers some exclusive DLC. That's lame."

I don't think it's as easy as simply "finding ways" around the issues, it's clearly an issue about resources as well given how often it happens. I also think it's a fantastic solution to offer free dlc as compensation.

[Persistantthug]

But if its more, then as a hardcore PS3 owner, I'm not gonna reward bad work, the same way I and others didn't reward Platinum Games for their crappy job of BAYONETTA.

Doing so will only encourage them to do what they did again.

I mention Platinum Games, because it looks like Czech 2K did the same thing.... they tied to get someone else do the port when they should have develop led the game on the PS3 in the first place.
http://www.massivebear.com/...

If they lose enough sales and critical acclaim and get embarrassed enough, they'll so it right the next time, and so will many other onlooking developers......they'll be to frightened not too.

Fear works wonders....Ask Platinum Games :)

[morganfell]

No reason for this level of incompetent development. Preorder canceled.

[siyrobbo]

seems that instead of specifically developing for each system, they just ported the pc code and downgraded it

i can only speak for the 360 version

aliasing is horrendous
game looks sub-hd

not very impressed

especially when you look at a game like red dead redemption, even though the ps3 version is sub hd, both versions look fantastic

[morganfell]

In light of great looking multiplt titles this type of half assed work is inexcusable. The only thing these developers and publishers understand is a vote with the wallet.

I give them a day before they print something worthless called a "clarification." They need to understand that PS3 gamers don't like shovelware.

Far too many games from 3rd parties look great. This isn't 2006. Excuse value - 0. Sales from me - 0.00

[commodore64]

@ Morganfell.

Hmmm, the third party games you are referring to are likely KZ2, GOW3 and UC2.
Apart from those three, there is nothing that really shows us the power of the ps3.

As a matter of fact, for every ONE of your third party games that look really great on ps3, there are 20+ multiplats that are simply inferior on the ps3.

There really is no other way to put it.
We are halfway through 2010 and today multiplats continue the trend of being inferior on the ps3.

It has become one of the defining hallmarks of the ps3 this gen.
Don't get mad about it.
Just accept it.

I am sure Mafia II will still be a decent game on ps3.
The developer has stated that:
"Our aim is to make a cohesive and immersive experience and optimize the game for each platform so that it could run its best. And while there are some differences between each version, I’m sure you’ll find that the core gameplay and the heart of Mafia II remains no matter whether you play on PS3, 360, or PC."

There you have it - it'll still be ok on ps3.
It's not the end of the world.

[jetlian]

morganfell why don't you tell the experts how to do it lol. people just won't except the facts that cell isn't all its cracked up to be

[XabiTheHumble]

so KZ2 UC2 and GOW3 are third party titles now? LMAO!!!

[Anon1974]

Whenever there's an article about a PS3 port that might have a slightly blurred texture or unnoticeable difference in loading times you'll find some fanboy who insists that this is the norm. 2007 was a long time ago, my friends. While there may be some versions that lag on one console, these are few and far between and it all boils down to opinion anyway. What makes a game superior? Better graphics, or 5% less screen tearing or load times or control issues with a faulty d-pad or paying extra to game online, etc...etc? It all boils down to personal preference.

Even the sites like Lens of Truth have commenting recently, even when they give one console a victory over another that "You'd never be able to notice the difference, even side by side." And what do sites like this compare? 5% of the multiplat games out there?

Differences between versions of software are inevitable when you're developing for totally different hardware - but most developers have it down so you'd never notice. Thankfully we have the internet to point it out when, if pausing the game and zooming in on that certain shadow to the left in the background - god forbid a texture is a little blurred on one version compared to the other.

I agree with Morganfell on this one. When it does happen, there's only the developer to blame. We know what the PS3 hardware is capable of because we see it proven time and time again.

[jneul]

@commodore way to be ignorant I can name many more games

Even uncharted 1 is better than most games on x360 and that was a release game but anyway enough of that here is my list that owns your entire statement

Heavenly Sword
Wipeout HD
GT5:Prologue (still better than forza 3)
Uncharted 1
Uncharted 2
Ratchet And Clank:TOD(was platformer on release)
Ratchet And Clank:ACIT(now is best platformer and no platformer is as good on x360, sorry)
MGS4
Killzone 2
Infamous (looks better and is better than prototype in every way)
Heavy Rain
GOW III

Multiplatforms that was better on PS3
FF13
Dragon Age
Batman:AA

UPCOMING GAMES THAT MAKE X360 LOOK LIKE SOMETHING FROM LAST GEN:
Infamous 2
KIllzone 2
Motorstorm: A
GT5

my list can keep on going on but carry on thinking x360 is superior when the best x360 could do is wake and was meant to make PS3 look inferior but only confirmed x360 has no juice left in the box 540p and 4XAA compared to GOW III 720p and MLAA (which is 16xAA to idiots), btw KZ3 AN INFAMOUS 2 AND LBP2 ARE USING MLAA SO NO MORE EXCUSES ABOUT IT ONLY BEING DOWN TO HAVING FIXED CAMERAS:P

[solidjun5]

You're as ignorant as ever man. You're so blinded by console loyality, it's almost laughable you try to tailor your writing to sound article. Laughable.

As someone pointed out, here's a list of games that throw your ridiculous argument out the window.

Heavenly Sword
Wipeout HD
GT5:Prologue (still better than forza 3)
Uncharted 1
Uncharted 2
Ratchet And Clank:TOD(was platformer on release)
Ratchet And Clank:ACIT(now is best platformer and no platformer is as good on x360, sorry)
MGS4
Killzone 2
Infamous (looks better and is better than prototype in every way)
Heavy Rain
GOW III

See? you're a nutty fanboy. Don't deny it. Accept it. I'm sure you're cringing inside.

[Christopher]

Yeah, the stark differences just pushed me over to buying this for the PC instead.

[raztad]

the differences are ridiculous. I have a piss poor laptop, played it on low settings and still looked better. The only thing I'll be missing is the additional content.

[JackBNimble]

Really... you have a piss poor laptop, played it on low settings and still looked better?

Bullshit!!

[ProjectVulcan]

Subjective. Even with lower settings if he maintains a good framerate and has vsync on so its at least playable than i would prefer it over a bunch of tearing and slowdown.

I thought the 360 demo had bad tearing and slowdown- until i played the PS3 version. I wouldnt put money down on EITHER console version, much like i wouldnt with the original mafia which was only any good on PC too.

There is simply no way i would play this on a console because of they way they run more than how they look. I just cant stand teary chuggy games.

[raztad]

@Jack

I' m not bullshiting.

My laptop only got a ATI 3650, Core 2 Duo 2.5GHz.

Granted I had to lower the res bellow 720p to keep a playable framerate, but the image quality of the PS3 version was comparable to mine, and on top of that the PC version had "extra" stuff like grass and better textures.

Of course I'm not playing this game until I get a decent PC, but it is very sad the PS3 is in such a poor state.

[jack_burt0n]

@vulcan

Whats wrong with your ps3?! granted neither console version has vsync but the ps3 has less tearing pretty clearly.

So tbh i can understand them cutting the grass lol to get it even a little better, hell playing the pc version i had to cut the physx because the optimization was total shite if it worked at all supposedly it needs a new set of nvidia drivers.

[JackBNimble]

I only quoted you,
" I have a piss poor laptop, played it on low settings and still looked better".

I would agree that it's comparable on pc at low settings, the only real difference that I could see at that level was the grass.

There has never been any doubt in my mind that the PC version is a better looking game, just not to the extent that most PC fanboys claim.Although I don't have the best graphics card yet either .... so what do I know?

[ProjectVulcan]

'PS3 has less tearing' Well i'll leave that up to a technical analysis and someone with the tools to prove that but to my eyes it didnt. Not that im claiming 360 had less, they both seemed about as prone which was....very.

Even if PS3 does have a bit less, Its like saying someone is a bit less dead from a fatal accident.

All that tearing is still nasty

Plus physx on Pc is purposely screwed up by nvidia anyway so it doesnt run well on slower cards or CPUs

[tinybigman]

it's a good thing i didn't pay for the game with hard earned cash. i love trade-ins :)

[tinybigman]

would give a disagree with trading in games to get another? sad person.

[FragMnTagM]

GAMES for one new one I suppose.

[number47]

are all here in full force celebrating minimal graphical differences between a PC version of a game, compared to a console version of a game.

These people all make excuses for the lack of visually stunning titles on their console, and claim that gameplay is of the utmost importance when it comes to gaming. Where is that attitude right now? I often see the people make excuses to flame by saying "so the ps3 s 'allegedly' powerful yet it can't do grass?!!?". Well in incapable hands, any tool can be misused. After seeing what it has to offer, how can a person come to the conclusion that 2k is the end all designer and developer of games, not a Naughty Dog, or someone trained in it? -- Thats right, none of you will be in that story commenting.

Yet, we see these people here today celebrating grass, and cloth movment? Its as if they have these uncanny eagle eyes when it comes to the differences in multiplatforms, but then they have mudvision when it comes to other titles.

Its amazing how people can't see things when they aren't avaliable on their console. Its a shame that 2k is lying about the PS3 version of the game at this point.

I'm going to sign up onto the forum and ask point blank, are the Screenshots on the PSblog from the PS3 version of the game, if so, why is there grass in the build, and high levels of AA that aren't in the Demo. 2k games is pulling a Turn10/Epic with this one, they deserve to be busted for it.

[raztad]

Cloth physics is ONLY feasible in PhysX capable rigs. Physx seriously hit game framerate if done on CPU.

[Mista T]

told you so, :P

http://n4g.com/comments/red...

SilentNegotiator failed :P

[SilentNegotiator]

You have to admit, with 2K members claiming identical versions and prettier screens from content EXCLUSIVE to the ps3 version, it was definitely looking like they would be identical.

I failed in absolutely no capacity, as all of the evidence was in my favor.

You fail, however, for believing that a demo based off of an old build was conclusive proof towards the final versions.

[Whitey2k]

u mean 3rd best :(

[MmaFanQc]

were not in 2007, sry but i wont buy your shitty port, im not even sure if im gonna rent it.

A guy who WAS on the edge of buying your game.

[tplarkin7]

Proof is in the pudding. The PS3 pudding has less polygons than Xbox 360 pudding. This is a fact proven over and over.

[DaTruth]

Nathan Drake's character model alone has more polygons than most 360 games!

[SephireX]

They're consoles, not puddings you dumbass!

[SaberEdge]

DaTruth, that was such a stupid comment. Complete BS.

[PirosThe4th]

lol... actually he is pretty close...
Nathan Drake has 80,000 polygons while a character from Halo 3 or GoW has around 10-12,000

If u count the polygons of the screen plus a few characters. Nathan might still nearly have as much polygons as a shot from a 360 'exclusive game'.

[Man In Black]

Seriously, 8 years in development, and they can't even put in 3D grass or blood pools? Didn't devs master this about 10 years ago? I'm happy to see that cloth movement is in at all, but the lack of the other small details is a sign of pure laziness.

[PotatoClock]

They did, its called PC and Xbox versions.

PS3 is a different beast, and will need awhile for multiplat devs to get used to. When the games are exclusive then thats when the devs can spend all their time perfecting it for that system, which is why Killzone and Uncharted can do alot on it.

[MmaFanQc]

dont be ridiculous with the old "PS3 is a different beast, and will need awhile for multiplat devs to get used to..." song.

it was "acceptable" in 2007....but now were in 2010 FFS.

[heroprotagonist]

Well at least they are being honest and explaining that due to the differing strengths and weaknesses of each console they couldn't make every version exactly equal. I hate when devs just lie and try to act like all versions of their game are exactly the same even when it is plain as day that they are not.

[Man In Black]

Actually, these assholes did lie, claiming that both console versions looked identical, and even releasing doctored PS3 screenshots. They've only come clean about a week before release.

[JsonHenry]

This happens time and again. Hopefully next gen sony will produce a dev friendlier architecture. No company seems to want to put the extra time and money into working with the PS3 unless it is an exclusive. And from a business stand point I don't blame them. But as a consumer it still sucks.

[jmorph9]

Sony knew when it choose the cell that its architecture would make it difficult to port software with other systems, they did it on purpose. It worked wonders for the ps2, keeping many games exclusive or at least having the superior version on the ps2. However, when you are no longer the leader, it works against you.

It's a shame too, I think ps3 is the best value.

[Jaces]

Rental sounds about right. I really liked the demo but if they can't pull their heads out of their asses then I see no reason to reward them that $60 for a sub-par game.

[solar]

propietary systems. gotta love it.

edit: limited resources. 5 years behind on tech. do you really expect more?

[madjedi]

Well lets see since both console versions, have been proclaimed as nothing special, by both ps3 and 360 owners and both consoles have their own superior graphical games.

Better coding would probably been appreciated by both ps3 and 360 owners.

But i am laughing at all the 360 fools ranting and raving about a "superior" multiplatform game, not an exclusive but a multiplatform game. Or trying to pass of a low tier multiplatform as proof of the cell's shortcomings, but they have apparently never seen gow3, uc1 and 2, killzone 2 visuals.

Okay really the boasting about exclusive games, is little more than each side boosting their own sides ego. But some of you 360 guys have gotten really sad, your fucking going on and on about multiplatforms being superior.

Are some of you guys so ashamed about your own upcoming exclusive games that you have to resort to elevating multiplatform games above your own exclusives, to use as ammunition against the ps3.

I didn't buy my ps3 for multiplats i bought it for sony exclusives, the good third party multiplats are a bonus.

The way you 360 guys on n4g have been acting the last few months, makes me believe, you care alot more about your "superior multiplatform games" than most of your own exclusives.

If nothing else thank you for the laughs 360 guys.

[Chug]

*Cancels pre-order*

[meluvulongtime]

They obviously don't know how to develop on the PS3 if they think what they did is optimized for the PS3. Wasn't really interested in Mafia II before, now not interested the slightest

[AKS]

It's odd that they claim to have tried to optimize the best it could be for each individual platform. The optimization of the PC demo was awful and didn't look that special. Crysis and Far Cry chugged, but they look incredible. This game shouldn't be difficult to run at max settings with the exception of PhysX.

[SephireX]

I'll be getting this on PC if the reviews are good. I can't help feeling though that this game will disappoint.

[Raul_7]

http://image.gamespotcdn.ne...

It's either a bullshot or that Elizabeth haven't seen the PS3 final build!

Was gonna pre-order, now i am gonna wait for the reviews.

[fireplace]

Bullshot. It's even rendered in higher resolution than the game (full size on playstation blog somewhere)
I guess you can do that stuff during development on dev equipment.
So they turn up resolution, turn on all the stuff, some effects, in result game goes 5 frames per second. Enough to take some awesome shots!
Damn you cant even be sure if this code ran on PS3, as they develop this DLC on PC's (just like everything else for consoles).

[multips3fan]

you guys are funny buying the 360 version and pc for the the more incredible grasses?.ya ppl are hilarious.

[colonel179]

As I understand here, it's not about the grass, it's about the meaning of if. being the lazy development, and how even after 4 years, we still get excuses about how the PS3 is hard to develop for, and all the BS from 2006.

I really don't know how developers have the ballz to get a game out like this. They just look ridiculous and loos a lot of respect.

[Eddie20101]

Other than the grass the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions look the same, they both have no anti aliasing, the frame rate looks the same for both, the only difference is the grass.

So, to some people the Xbox 360 version having grass makes that version leaps and bounds much better than the PS3 version. Well in reality it is not leaps and bounds better, in fact the game is not that impressive looking on any of the systems, so in my opinion the reason for buying this game should be based on its game play not on how it looks.

[Eddie20101]

Correction, the PC version looks much better and runs much better on a decent machine. The console versions still don't look that great or run that great.

[BkaY]

so no buy for me ...may be sometime later but not yet... and yep i am looking forward to fallout : LV.... loved Fallout:3

peace

[ReservoirDog316]

I honestly never cared for the look of this game. Something about the way the people look and talk. Feels fake and story's nearly always #1 in my book.

I doubt I'll end up playing it regardless of graphics. I really don't care about graphics anyways.

[Kos-Mos]

@ hell

For the love of god, learn how to write without numbers.
People might think you`re a 12 year old girl.

[DelbertGrady]

If Sony gave proper support to third party devs this wouldn't happen again and again.

The 'lazy devs' excuse is pitiful. Look at games like Red Dead Redemption. Redifining open world gaming. A game that most other devs wouldn't have the skill or resources to tackle. Do you think they wanted the PS3 version to be inferior? They wouldn't gain anything at all from it. On the contrary, they might lose potential buyers.

We know that the PS3 is capable of mindblowing graphics. All of those games are made by first party developers, who get lots of technical support from Sony. Maybe if they gave some of that support to third party devs you wouldn't have to suffer the consequences.

Maybe, just maybe, Sony wants you to pick the games that they themselves publish instead of buying from third party publishers.

[Tachyon_Nova]

Third best actually. PC, 360, Teh Cell!

[RumbleFish]

"we optimized for each of the three different systems" ohhh.... really...?

Well, could you explain then to me why the PS 3 version is not the best one of the console versions?
I mean, did those guys of 2K have a look at games over the last few years? DId they notice, there were games like God of War III, Uncharted 2 etc.? You can even go back to launch titles of the PS 3: there is nothing like Motorstorm on any other platform. And those guys try telling us, they've optimized their product for each of the three systems.

This is pathetic!

[No Way]

Unless, perhaps.. these developers are new to the PS3? Maybe? No? Oh.. o.O

[SonyPS360]

Ever consider that the Ps3 really isn't that much better and it just has more solid 1st party support, hence the reason for the shiny exclusives?

How come every time we get the same result and the same excuses from you Ps3 fanboys?

The Ps3 version doesn't look as good, so it "must be lazy development" or "they don't know how to program for the Ps3".

It's okay though, you have the free content to make you feel better about having the inferior version.

[Crazyglues]

How the hell does 2kgames make a Piss Poor pathetic version for PS3..

I'm going to cancel this game right now.. this is just ridiculous, I'm sick and tried of these developers making a watered down version for PS3 and then charging the same price of a Quality game....

This guy went on and on about how in Mafia 1 the console version was trash, and that this time around they fixed that and made a real amazing console experience to match the PC version..

-and now this sh*t, they couldn't even get the dam grass to look right, you gotta be kidding me.. (PS3-Users DO NOT BUY THIS GAME) -rent it if you have to, or get it used... these guys do not deserve you money..

If you want to water it down charge the water down price of $49.99 like Hawx 2, and if you don't want to charge that low for brand new, then make a dam Quality game...

2K games I was your biggest fan, and loved Mafia 1 but now I'm disgusted with you, and I will now go on a full all out onslaught of telling everyone I know and see not to buy this game... you idiots FAIL

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[vhero]

God I hate lazy developing.. The proof is in the pudding though I mean this game has taken what around a year to make?? GTA took over 4 years... Why?? Each system was worked on separate rather than a shoddy port.. Ah well guess that's the amount of money in the industry these days its forcing devs to make silly decisions. Either way it will still sell really well on ps3.

[diego750]

Totally agree. Lazy, motherfuckers developers. Why dont they work on the PS3 version? Even if it takes longer. I dont really know but if they work in the PS3 version I am sure the 360 version will look good, too.

[RandomGamer]

I just love how they say it isn't a port and each version was made on each platform.What a joke

[dantesparda]

made on the GTA engine? Rage i think its called. Damn fucking engine, shit sucks for PS3.

[topgeareasy]

over graphics (exclusive DLC)

[Game-ur]

Screw exclusive content, I'll play it on my 360 for the detailed grass.

[siyrobbo]

pc rules all

[ActionBastard]

That's a joke, right?

[rdgneoz3]

If you want the detailed grass, go for the PC version.

[Game-ur]

@Action Bastard
Do you believe somebody actually thinks like that?

[wissam]

LOL. I like your humor.

[number47]

Game-Ur...

lol.. well you did get a lot of agrees...

[SonyPS360]

Screw the grass, I'll get more content of the same sloppy looking version.

[Nitrowolf2]

wow complete BS, 2K really???
even though it seems like something little, come on this just make it feels like the devs aren't trying to fix wat seems to be a simple fix

[psman012]

Agreed. Although Im not going to give a big deal about grass and blood and cloth, it is still kind of sucky that it doesnt have it. Content over graphics as topgeareasy has said above

[NYC_Gamer]

no ps3 owner should buy this half ass port..typical from take-two owned studios

[Tachyon_Nova]

So in other words you would rather have no game at all instead of a game with somewhat poor graphics and good gameplay? Download the demo, it ain't half bad.

[Focker-420]

Who honestly cares?? Oh thats right, the 360 fanboys

[AliTheBrit19]

Actually I would think PS3 players would care about there version of the game being inferior? surely...

[Focker-420]

Oh no!!! My curtains and grass, what will I ever do?! Give me a break.

[etownone]

C'mon now ... Admit it .... You care!!! Lmao

And so do the other 90 percent of Sony fans that troll this site that constantly bring up but but but Uncharted 2 and and and FF 13 in every 360 exclusive article. Just go look at any article on Reach to prove my point.

It is what is it .... and ALL Sony fans should be used to it by now. Multi-plat games 99 percent of the time are superior on the 360.

PS3rd - IT ONLY DOES EVERYTHING ... but grass

[KiRBY3000]

Flower does grass better than any other game.

[Motorola]

Listen: You cant buy it used unless some one buys it first. Sooo its gonna be NEW FOREVER D:

[badz149]

etownone OWNED!

[OpenGL]

But grass is pretty much all it does. There are no character models, and environment geometry for the most part is pretty simple. Don't get me wrong, Flower is a damn impressive game, but you'll never see a real game on the PS3 rendering grass on that level, because it takes too much away from everything else.

[Seijoru]

Fuck you prick, 80% of multiplats looks equal on both systems. Just some lazy devs still out there who make bad ports doesn't mean shit. PS3 has already shown its capabilities and they are far beyond some shitty port with no grass.

[KiRBY3000]

it was a joke man. dont take it so seriously. :)

[wissam]

And so do the other 90 percent of Sony fans that troll this site that constantly...

So x360 fanboys don't troll here.

[diego750]

Man, you cannot blame everyone about that. What about Xbox fanboys, huh? They bring up other games to the discussions, too. Fanboys are everywhere, not just in Sony. That is a stupid comment man.

[lowcarb]

Honestly I don't think 360 fanboys care to much for news like this. People that simply want to troll to upset people will say something.

[SonyPS360]

u mad bro?

[MGRogue2017]

... It's such a kick in the head from 'em.. like, seriously :(

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[jack_burt0n]

I respect your passionate destructiopn of 2k PR, but have you tried the 360 demo? because while it might have grass the framerate is MUCH worse it tears almost every single god damn frame.

So can you make a whole lot of noise about that, on the 2k forums?

[No Way]

What the hell is wrong with your xbox?!
Don't have one? Ahh.. that explains it.

[jay2]

I hate these devs who don't care about the PS3.

Does the PC build support controllers, unlike Bio 2?

[Tachyon_Nova]

I don't understand why anyone would rather use a controller than keyboard and mouse. Sure you can sit further away, but nothing can match the precision and speed of a decent mouse and keyboard.

[PirosThe4th]

yeah because wsda is so precise...

[Omega4]

I thought this wasn't an issue anymore :S

@kartik21
Geez no need to cry about it.

[Karooo]

damn them ps3 fanboys, u must be so happy right now, wanna guess the sales of mafia 2?

[Thecraft1989]

Its not issue its lazy development When the ps3 has best graphical games on console and most 360 games are sub hd its oviousley nothing to with the ps3 hardware just lazy development

[lowcarb]

There are more sub HD PS3 games than 360 and those games you speak highly of are proof PS3 can do better. God of War and UC2 visuals are really good but I want to see an open world game hold up that type of visual fidelity on PS3.

[badz149]

if Sucker Punch's word are to be believed, then we should just wait for inFAMOUS2 to do just THAT!

[Focker-420]

Ummm... It will be called InFamous 2, look it up sometime.

edit: lol badz149 got to it first

[Tachyon_Nova]

Seriously infamous 2 does not have great graphics. From what we've seen, lighting looks a bit off, and the textures, even the cobbled roads which are an essential part of New Orleans, are as flat as PS2 era games. Not impressed, and this Is coming from an infamous fanboy.

[PirateThom]

2K Damage Control

"It's not inferior... it just has no grass, less blood, inferior cloth movement... and it wasn't ported, but it's not inferior!!!!11"

[Pandamobile]

Both console versions are ports.

[siyrobbo]

Both console versions are bad ports

fixed

[OpenGL]

No amount of programming wizardry would be able to shoehorn the PC version unaltered onto the PS3 or 360. Could the console versions be better? Probably, but a lot of the difference comes from the fact that both systems only have 512MB of RAM, and both GPUs are 5 years old now.

[PirateThom]

According to the 2K person each version was built from scratch.

[Pandamobile]

I remember hearing from a 2K guy something like this "Okay we have this awesome PC game, now, now do we get that on consoles?"

[Zinc]

That's not how any developer I've heard of makes their games. Imagine the cost.

[Karooo]

this happens oh well. It was ported by a small canadian team

[monkey nuts]

Sad this happens, oh well. It WAS ported by a small Canadian Sunday league soccer team.

Fixed.

[GeoramA]

Lazy ass developers.

They just lost a sale.

[S_C]

I seriously couldnt give a shit about there not being much grass in the game, Since wen has grass ever influenced if you buy a game or not i mean cumon that pathetic, the game looks good as it is and all im interested about is the story, gameplay and of course the Exclusive DLC

[table]

no grass = no buy. Games are all about the grass these days.

[DarkSpawnClone]

have fun playing in mud lmao..who the fuck makes a game that has no grass in it LOL its not like this game is in the desert.

[S_C]

dont worry i will enjoy with my exclusive DLC

[table]

btw there is grass, just less lush grass. God help the n4g community when something like this matters so much to both sets of fanboys. Yes, you are all at it with your superior ps3 exclusives and superior 360 multiplats. Inferior cloth movement? seriously? is that what gaming has come to? You people make me sick.

[DarkSpawnClone]

why shouldn't it matter we pay money for this stuff you know.I'm not forking over my money for a game that wasn't properly ported,yes grass,animations & game play matters to me i haven't bought bayonetta,the orange box ect for the same reason i would rather have them hold back the ps3 release date to fix it up.I'm not going to support bad work.i was looking forward to this game i am really disappointed with the quality for the ps3 version.why should they get a free pass ?

[Dance]

might explain the exclusive dlc

[table]

no grass? game over man, it's game over.

[Bellcross]

Meh, wasn't getting it for consoles anyways.

[Sez]

i'm with you on that one.PC version ftw

[jy_mrnd]

Getting PC version as well!

[Consoldtobots]

meh wasn't getting this game PERIOD, why all the fuss over a subpar franchise?

[BYE]

Yep, Mafia 1 was also drastically inferior on consoles.

It's just one of those series that needs to be experienced on PC, no doubt.

[bioshock1221]

It's still the same game people you guys make a big deal out of nothing. Is it really shocking anymore especially coming from Rockstar they don't seem to understand the PS3 yet. The game is still the same just a few minor differences I can't believe people are saying in here that they won't buy the game anymore. Grow Up guys.

[NYC_Gamer]

so people should be happy?why pay 60 bucks for a game that doesnt even run equal on your console

Edit
not everyone is ok with paying full price for half the quality...

[bioshock1221]

Because it's still the same core gameplay. Is slightly better graphics really going to make the game that much better? I had no problem playing FF13 on the Xbox 360 regardless of it having slightly worse graphics than the PS3 version as long as the gameplay is still the same I see no problem.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

And to think i got suckered into buying a $90 collectors edition.
I'll be canceling that and putting that money towards R.U.S.E with Move support :)

[Lord_Ranos]

Agreed man. Ruse looks really cool.

[BubbleSystemSuck]

PreOrder canceled for PS3...

i will play this on my 360

[BubbleSystemSuck]

now i know why the 1st DLC is "Free" for the PS3...

"hey, look, Mafia 2 is a piece of graphic crap in your console... take this "for FREE".. only cost you, a crappy port!"

[Bolts]

This game was cranked out by a PC developer with little to zero console experience so of course it's going to look better on the 360 than the PS3.

I'll just buy this on the PC then, no biggie. It's nice to have options.

[Dsnyder]

I remember wanting this game when the first trailer showed up online. The graphics looked so good and the story showed promise but its amazing how things changed. 2K really needs to get thier act together. This "PS3 is hard to develop for/" excuse became invalid 2 years ago.

[GigaGaia]

It was already proven that there was grass. This 2K employee fails and judging by her name, it's a woman, no wonder.

That pic prove her wrong:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3...

[monkey nuts]

That pics from an early ps3 build which ran at like 5fps. So they removed grass, blood etc and got the fps up around the 30 mark.

[Cel-Ru]

Yes men... when i created this thread i never though i will get the answer i hope... and now i see it... well i don't know what to say. Is very sad VERY SAD!

[jack who]

when you say grass what do you mean hmm?

[Lord_Ranos]

The food that cows eat?

[jack who]

oh god good its no mafia game without good grass been blown all over your face

[Stryfeno2]

What is so special about this game?

[Zinc]

Engaging and engrossing storyline, as-well-as an open world. The first game was quite good.

Not everything has to be multi-player or deathmatch approved.

[Gigalol]

Well, the people choose the better version this time.

This time? Oh wait.

Every time, as usual.

[Bolts]

You're talking about the PC version right? Because that would be the better one lol.

[Zinc]

Not just lol, Fanboi... Gigalol.

[N4PS3Fanboys]

And the 360 version would be the second best version. And the PS3 version would be...

[DarkSpawnClone]

well i guess i will see this game used in 3 years lol
its such a shame too i was thinking of picking it up i love mafia kind of games! such a shame! ;/ games are expensive,I'm not going to buy a crappy quality game didn't really care for the demo, its worth a rent at least.

[THC CELL]

Pff http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/...

Why would she say that, this will make em loose a % on ps3 now
thanks to some woman on 2k forum,Sack her

[pr0digyZA]

Yeah I suppose she should just lie and take your hard earned money after you realized it's a not as good looking as you hoped. Is that how they do business where you are?

[Otheros00]

Yes that is how they do business in USA.
Example: Gears of War 2

[metsgaming]

Not getting this game, i refuse to support this bs i can careless that the ps3 gets exclusive content, in a few months they will announce it for the pc and 360 anyways. Plus the gameplay was horrible

[iamnsuperman]

played the demo nothing there that made me go I want it now.....and now this.... I hate it when developers short change the PS3... It is looking like that certain developers are clearly not worth it....if other game developers can produce identical games across the PS3 and 360 why can't others....I total agree with you what is the point on supporting this bs. It just shows to other developers that they can get a way with it. I feel that the industry lately is trying to get as much money as possible for crap (i.e. activation wanting to charge for online play, sub par ports) its stupid
edit: look at the forums http://forums.2kgames.com/f...
http://forums.2kgames.com/f...

[rekof]

at least it doesen't run at 13 fps,.

[Lucreto]

Doesn't bother me at all. I heard how inferior RDR was and when I played it I couldn't see the difference. I won't be playing it thinking there is grass missing or the person's clothes movement is not as noticeable or there is more blood on the PC or 360 version.

[BigPappaPump]

<<<<<<closes his wallet shut. A middle finger for crappy 3rd party games

[THC CELL]

The demo was good. Just frame rate was poor. could not care about grass and blood..

[gamingisnotacrime]

"the cloth movement is less noticeable than, for example, the PC version"

[Prcko]

less grass no thx i won't buy this!!!

[sdtarm]

This games comes down from buy for my ps3 to bittorrent for my pc cant say more and cant say how much im dissapointing of ur BS 2k, i wont buy a game that treats gamers as sht

[Dawn_Of_Ashes]

sniff snifff i will not have grass on the ps3 version BAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW
this is the end of the world!!!!!!!!!11

[gamingisnotacrime]

After reading this forum, im not so pumped for the game. I like to know that the games I buy at $60 are the best it could be, not that things have been dubbed due to lazy/untalented development

[Fulensenca]

You will not have my money. Lazy developers don' t deserve my money.

/boycott mode on.

[lonix]

Aww man that's no good, I wanted to play the graphics since that's the most important aspect of the game, I wanted to spend half my game time teabagging a corpse in a pool of blood in the grass drooling over the graphics

[Tuxedoassassin]

Sorry 2K Czech, but this lost me all interest in the game.

[ddurand1]

thats just lazy.

[Studio-YaMi]

*sigh*

[Studio-YaMi]

and I was actually buying this day one,I guess I'll wait till it's out and see the differences for myself,then I'll decide which version to get...

[xg-ei8ht]

I don't even like the game, or GTA.

But i'm enjoying my popcorn reading the 2k forums.

Tasty stuff.

[Cel-Ru]

This is amazing, have you seen God of War or Uncharted 2 or even 1 or KZ2? c'mon when i created this thread i always hope with another final answer!

[OC_MurphysLaw]

The Cell isnt the magic bean Sony claimed it would be. It is too different from standard programing. You can call the developers lazy if you want..but the reality is Sony has made a chip that will for the most part only be used in their TV's. They dont even use the cell processor in their OWN Vaio laptops! What does that tell you about the true viability of this "amazing" chip long term?

Yes, yes you can create amazing things when done properly and its a very powerful chip set for sure. BUT... its just too different from the majority. PC's manufacturers aren't picking this up and that right there tells you that forever more the PS3 will always be a multiplatform grab bag of expectations. Some games will be just as good or better with those developers big enough or really experienced with it...but we will still see the majority getting on par or worse results. This is only going to continue unless by some small miracle a major PC/laptop manufacturer switches to the cell chip...

[Studio-YaMi]

it means devs are just being lazy to discover and try with new stuff,it's like they are those kind of dinosaurs that refuse to evolve and rather die :\ !

[djfullshred]

We are talking about very minimal differences in some multiplatform games, which most PS3 players are totally fine with compromising on in order to have those games that are developed for, and really shine on this hardware.

As far as the cell not fully supported by software devs for multiplat games, it depends on the dev. Some are now programming for the cell first, and then porting over to 360 & PC, because it is easier that way. It doesn't matter how "traditional" an architecture is, now that people have been programming for the cell for several years now. If there is money to be made, companies will hire people with the skills & talent to do the work.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I agree that many developers are making PS3 games lead sku...

My point is that in the PC and Laptop world the cell processor is non-existant. The only time a developer has to deal with the cell processor is for making a PS3 game. It's not like you see a PC game made that has a cell configuration setting...the cell is not programed for in the PC world.

Many call out the devloping community as being "Lazy" for not taking their time to do cell based games right. Why not call out Sony for not making a system with the developers in mind? Or even supporting their own chipset in their Vaio line and help foster more developer utilization and acceptance?

[doshey]

the cell hasn't even been designed to work with Computer yet, who knows maybe its the fact sony was a partner in it, IBM made the cell sony help with it

and sony has to give developers a challenge, new hardware is going to come out and its going to change on how you develop

[heroprotagonist]

You are right, Dlacy13g.

Games like Uncharted 2, God of War 3 and Killzone 2 are examples of games made by very talented development studios that also happen to be first party developers and therefor have access to all Sony's tech support and newest techniques, and they also have the motivation to put out the extra effort to push the console as hard as they can.

However, I don't believe the PS3 is more powerful than the 360 in a general sense. Developers have told us the two consoles are very close in power and looking at the specs you can see that is the case.

Microsoft doesn't have very many talented studios to make games for the 360 and the ones they do have (Lionhead, Rare, etc.) are not known for really pushing hardware. Furthermore, when Microsoft have third parties (like Bioware or Epic) make games for their console those developers don't have as much incentive to really prove what the 360 is capable of. That said, I do think the upcoming Gears 3 is right up there with Uncharted 2. But Epic seem to be the only ones pushing the 360 at all. Maybe the new Crytek exclusive, Project Kingdoms, will show some impressive graphics.

People underestimate the factors of talent and motivation. Sony told the world their console was more powerful, so they had something to prove. Luckily they have a lot of studios and some of those studios are very talented. I mean, the PS2 was nearly half as powerful as the Xbox, but games like God of War 2 and Killzone 1 actually managed to rival Xbox games. Now take that same talent and move it over to hardware that is essentially equal to its competitor and its no surprise that we got games that look as good as GOW3 and Killzone 2. But it isn't because the PS3 is more powerful.

[jneul]

lol at "Gears 3 is right up there with Uncharted 2." ok carry dreaming on and btw the new standard is 720p with MLAA x360 is nowhere near that standard never mind uncharted 2 levels, lol
and incase you click at disagree look at GOW III, infamous 2, LBP2, kz3 THEY ALL USE MLAA

[Otheros00]

UE3 sucks. It is one of the crappier engine created for this generation of consoles. Cry engine 3 is way more awesome then unreal engine 3.

[ThisPlaceSucksBye]

Screw the awesome extra content, IF I CAN'T HAVE GRASS THEN EVERYTHING IS LOST.

[djfullshred]

Grass is not going to be highly detailed, and there is less cloth movement? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Haha, I don't really give a crap about this. After playing the demo, I will definately be buying - yes for my PS3.

[ZeroX9876]

Finally someone that understand the importance of gameplay over graphics! anyway, PS3 got a library of other awesome games with excellent graphics, so it's not one game that change your decision of consoles.

[Fulensenca]

With this behavior you legitimate lazy developers to sell you the worst versions of a game at the same price of the good ones ( besides the fact that they have lied to you for years ).

Do you understand that? Good version: 60$. Not-so-good version: 60$.

EDIT ( I almost forgot ): Sure, it' s your choice, you can do what you want ( and I sincerely hope you enjoy the game ), but it won' t change the fact that lazy developers don' t deserve your money.

[bustamove]

Well gee, unless someone was using a magnifying glass to look for grass...I don't see how this is a big deal?

[ZeroX9876]

well, I don't know why people is whining for the PS3 version! I'm gonna buy it for PC for sure, but for the console version, people should buy the 360 one. The 360 is now at a price more than affordable right now, so PS3 gamers should consider buying one, there's so much good games on it and having the two consoles completes my games demands.

[Tito08]

Like 80% of them are crap, and most of them are FPS, not too much variety!!!!!

[ZeroX9876]

ps3 exclusive : resistance 1 & 2, killzone 2 & 3, uncharted 1 & 2, Socom:confrontation & socom 4, Haze, Mag, The agency. Maybe I'm missing some...

360 exclusive: America's army, Halo 3 & ODST & Reach, gears of wars 1 & 2 & 3 (TPS but anyway), Frontline fuel of wars, Crackdown (again TPS), L4D, Perfect dark zero, and I'm surely missing some...

The 360 got a 1 year advance compared to the ps3, but the ps3 got a massive number of FPS too! it's just that on PS3 you get a LOT MORE variety since there's so much different Exclusive games that are most of the time extremely good.

If the 360 sells so well (RROD is probably mixing those sales number a lot!), there has to be gamers that loves those games. We can say whatever we want, but that's the truth. I don't have many games on my 360, got the Gears series, halo, bayonetta and Tales of vesperia. There's some great arcade titles like N+, castle crashers (not for long!:D) and others, so it's still not a bad investment. I'll be reaching my 35 titles with my pre-orders of "fist of the north star", "naruto storm 2" and "dead rising 2" on my PS3, but there's always a couple of titles that are tempting to play on the other consoles.

If Tales of (vesperia graces and the new one) games, mass effect and splinter cell were all on the PS3, wich is absolutely possible, then I could say that the PS3 is completely destroying the competition. Now that Steam will be on PS3, L4D should be soon if there's another title. with all those games, My 360 wouldn't be useful much, but until then, it's still a nice "extra" console to have.

[jetlian]

has more games in every genre over ps3. So no ps3 doesn't have more variety

[Tito08]

More doesn't equal better dude, copy that in your head!!!!

[Paradise Lost]

SO now we're arguing about Grass? Wtf has this generation come to.

[Garnett]

Boo Hoo my version doesnt have grass!!

You fanboys are so stupid, its clear that the RSX and the "Cell" cant do what its cracked up to be, and as for lazy developers? Instead of being mad at them be mad at your holy Sony.

[Optical_Matrix]

It is down to the developers though. How can you say it's not when games like Uncharted 2 and God of War III exist which look better than any other console game on the market. If the Cell isn't all it's cracked up to be then by your logic those games shouldn't be possible on PS3. Nice fanboy logic there mate.

I was never interested in this game at all. But I find it stupid how people are cancelling pre-orders because theres a bit of a missing foliage and blood. It's the same game for goodness sakes.

[NYC_Gamer]

i'm sure it'll be some framerate problems aswell..its problem with all T2 owned studios though...check history of their ps3 version of titles

[Spawn-KING]

3rd Parties can't match PS3's 1st party developers. Its a fact .

[Silly gameAr]

Oh well.

[Holeran]

Laziness, pure and simple. They are saying to each other, screw it they will still buy it. There is not a hardware issue involved at all, it just comes down to it isn't as easy to make it look as good as the other systems version so don't spend too much time trying to get it there. Down graded in my ranks to a used purchase I refuse to pay developers to be lazy. And with them outright admitting to it just makes it more stupid to pay for.

[chiwoo]

As long as the Ps3 Version plays great i am getting it even if some of the stuff that was out of the Ps3 version the game will still play great on PC PS3 and 360

[tony6767]

ok 2k games just lost 60$ from me and i dont care because im going to download free for the pc. 2k can suck my balls

[ForROME]

You know what I cant even do this anymore, I cant defend SONY on this, this is just like J Treton said, there was a time when the hardware was made and they walked over and just dumped in the software guys lap, arrogance is what started this whole dev issue, its not about taking extra time, its about they shouldnt have to work twice as hard to produce the same product, so they dont.

Lesson learned for SONYs corner, but I think they got the hint because Trenton has mentioned it a few times, next gen, this problem will be solved.

As it stands today, MOST but not all 3rd party games are better to get on 360

[instrumentalist]

Sorry folks, but he's got it right. I gave up on Sony in this round, waiting for the next one.

[doshey]

well you have to learn how to work on something even though its so hard you want to quit. if there is problems then ask developers to help, there has been many developers that make great games for the ps3. why cant everyone else do it, i know i aint supporting 2k anymore, god im mad at myself for buying MW2

[jalen247]

Lame

[tiamat5]

Don't care really. Mafia 2 wasn't exactly high on my list of must buy games anyway. Can't be bothered with developers who are still biased against the PS3 and still claim it is hard to make games for it while other games multiplats and first party shine brightly on the PS3. Just admit your skills are inferior and stop the flimsy excuses. These people act as if 360 and PC owners money is greener then ours, so give us the junk. Saving cash for Move, GT5 and LBP2 and the dozens of games coming next year.

[instrumentalist]

Thank you.

Can you crybabies now go out and plant some grass? Perhaps roll it and smoke it later on so you can chill out..

It's grass, ok? No game, except for Crysis and MGS3 (snake eater was so sick it was inhuman, that amount of grass on a ps2) had that realistic grass to it, it's all actually 2d images, just like 10 years ago Johnny. And no one ever raised their voice.

But take that shitty 2d texture that always faces you where-ever you approach it from, and you get these endless rants on how "inferior the game is"?? What?

GTA IV (same genre, same gen) has.. what were those pc reqs? Oh, right, NEXT GEN. For graphics that look like a poorly polished GTA Vice City. You can play blind on this one all you want, but that's what it looks like. Horse poo. Not to mention the generic, copy-pasted mission from previous ones, weak plot, lazy cam, arcade and horrible car physics, controller lag...

Mafia 2, on the other hand, is a game that took a serious approach, continuing the tradition of the first title. It delivers a belieavable, heavy story (won't be good as the first one probably), realistic car physics, good graphics, great atmosphere, etc. And you cry about the grass?

Here you go buddies - NO grass. What. And what is that jacket? Fur Blur?
http://www.pcgameshardware....

[SuperbVillain]

sick of shitty ports.

[jackdoe]

That's a laugh. These console versions are terrible and not optimized at all. The 360 version has trouble maintaining a stable framerate and that is considered the "easy port". No wonder they removed the grass from the PS3 version. I'm surprised they didn't remove the grass from the 360 version to improve the framerate (I have to assume they did but did not get an appreciable increase in framerate). So, in a bid to trick consumers, 2K gives free dlc to the PS3 to convince Sony to pass the game through QA.

[mrmikew2018]

Even though this is disappointing news, this lady have some balls to come out and tell the truth like that. I'm surprise 2K gave her the OK to make a true statement on their forums, I mean when do third party developers tell the truth? But on a serious note people, third party developers been doing this crap since the days of the SNES and SEGA Genesis. "Same circus, different clowns", so please don't let it bother you that much. If you have the choice get the PC version, if you have both consoles get it for whatever system you prefer.

[midgard229]

or simply get none :) gr8 way to shoe off new comers to a series that may have just got interested in the game

[mrmikew2018]

That's another option lol

[midgard229]

hold on....so a 2007 game called uncharted 1 can have tons and tons of gras, trees and beautiful water including better graphics and gameplay then this soon to be release 2010 game....wtf the creators suck gorilla testicles

[Funky Town_TX]

Stop playing the uncharted card. When everything fails pull out the UC,UC2,KZ2,KZ3 cards. Last I checked those are not open world games.

[tony6767]

lolll 2k suck at devloping ps3 games remember when bioshock came out on the ps3 had pixels problem lol 2k suck at devlopping

[nsnsmj]

C'mon people. It's just grass, cloth movement and blood. I've played the demo and everything is good to me. So what if it's slightly less graphically (in terms of those three things) than pc or 360. IT DOESN'T AFFECT GAMEPLAY or FEATURES. Doesn't ps3 have exclusive dlc or missions or something? Be happy with that. Also, just because the ps3 version is lacking in those areas does not mean the console isn't more capable OR that the developers are lazy. Have you ever thought that maybe they just aren't as efficient with the ps3 hardware as others (i.e. Naughty Dog, Sony Santa Monica)? Also, this game is open world, it won't look like most exclusives. Please stop the stupid assumptions and fanboyism.

nsnsmJ

[jackdoe]

I mean, there is good reason to be a disappointed, but people should just leave it. It is a terrible port that has performance issues in spite of sacrificed visual fidelity. However, bitching about it will do nothing to fix it.

[kws1065]

http://blog.us.playstation....

I mean you may see a flat burger in BK or Mac contrary to what can be seen on the pictures on the menus. But at least the burger has the same "contents (number of onions, lettuce, tomato and etc.)" as shown on the menus.

[bibs4353]

So exclusive content on the inferior port? Nice one 2k. I will not buy this game now and just buy it used later. Or just buy it for my 360 if i really feel desperate to play. I wonder how it will do in the reviews

[doshey]

wasnt 2k going to be the guys to bring such a great football game when the nfl license ends. this gives me great hope for that game after hearing this.

Whistler from 2k fourms
"people keep saying that "oh its just grass its not a big deal", but it is more than grass.

1. No grass, instead we get 1999 looking ground textures that look like they are from the original Mafia.
2. Clothes don't move in the wind which all recent quality games, like Red Dead, have.
3. No motion blur, didn't GTA San Andreas have this like 5-6 years ago?
5. No blood. Again, GTA had this so long ago that I could have knocked a girl up and had a kid in grade 1 by now.
6. I don't know if this is just a PS3 issue, but how come I shoot a cop, he dies, and the body dissappears right in front of me? Its like somebody put me in a Delorean and brought be back to 1996 and Duke Nukem 3d."

[magtuse16]

And people always say that the ps3 version of every game sucks compare to others. After reading the article i can't not believe that the developer are still slacking. this is why the ps3 sales aren't similar to the xbox 360 version.

[Funky Town_TX]

You guys are a sad bunch. Mafia II is not a looker anyway, so who cares about a few blades of grass. If the 360 and PC version looked inferior it would be because.

1. PS3 rocks
2. The cell rocks
3. 360 sux
4. pc sux
5. Ps3 is the future
6. Blu-ray is the reason it looks better
7. HDD standard is the reason it looks better

for whatever reason the PS3 version is said the be inferior, and it had to happen to one of the 3 version so move on guys. This is a funny post. Maybe you guys should boycott 2k games. LMAO

[Bolts]

I can't remember a single instance of a PC version being inferior.

[SnukaTheMan]

Not really much of a deal breaker but anyone else rememeber the people who swore up and down the grass effects were due to the date of the season..or that "a friend" who is a developer said those grass effects would be fixed by the last build.....smdh....some of you morons need to just stop commenting on these sort of storys because this is what happens....someone gets tired of the bullsheit and states the truth.

[Funky Town_TX]

grass. I had to do it.

[bunfighterii]

that's just lazy/poor development.

[ATi_Elite]

Mafia II is just too big for the consoles because the Developers didn't optimize it for each system.

360 is blurry and has Zaggies

PS3 is faded and has no grass

PC superior to both console versions but looks like crap compared to DX11 games

instead of Move and Kinect how about MORE RAM!!

[maxcer]

smh @ the RAM comment

[Scarred09]

If you can't fully support the PS3 then why bother making it!! It's like having a half finished game for one system and a fully finished game for another!! I have the 360 also but prefer the PS3. I was looking at getting the game but now I am not. 2K games has insulted all PS3 owners.

[Clarence]

How in the hell can games like Uncharted, KZ2, GT5, GOW3, Heavy Rain, and MGS5 look so good, but yet these lazy ass developers still refuse to put there all into the games that they make. I say don't buy it. If you do, buy it used or rent it. Maybe next time they will work harder. I mean look at how Gabe came around. He wants PS3 gamers to have the best game possible.

[Master of Unlocking]

be any grass missing. Gee folks, why do you get so up in arms over this? Did anyone bother reading the source article?

" the cloth movement is less noticeable than, for example, the PC version"

She's comparing the PS3 version with the PC version and, sadly, this is to be expected when comparing the consoles versions/ PC version.
The PS3 version will have a bit LESS DETAILED grass, that's what she said. And even though it's a detail, I'll reserve judgment for when I can compare all the different versions myself. If it turns out to be noticeable, well, I'll buy the PS3 game second-hand, period. Just by principle.
But I'm fairly sure there'll be a post-release patch to fix the issue at hand, PS3-Bioshock-style. You can quote me on this. But yeah, clearly, those guys should be in another line of work.

"Multi-plat games 99 percent of the time are superior on the 360."

I want some of that thing you're smoking. And then you back into your closet.

[Jazz4108]

Just maybe since everyone except for Sony has trouble with the ps3 could it be they made it a little to hard to develop on. I have both systems and a launch game for the 360 called Oblivion was Open world and had grass. Time after time the ps3 has issues and most of its because of split ram and a slow reading bluray device. This forces developers to piss poor frame rates and mandatory installs to get around long load times. Dvd9 however is much faster but its tiny storage makes larger games a hassle. Sonys in house devs have to spend millions of dollars and alot of times go with cell shading or in Uncharteds case a cartoony look to hold a decent frame frate. I can prommise you Sony will not use this tech on the ps4 as they have madde things a lot harder on themselves this gen because of it.

[Ps3isSsTheBeStt]

Dont buy this game i want it to flop so they will learn

[Allowen]

That sucks ! )

I knew it . That because the PS3 version of the game was gonna get an exclusive DLC then the final Mafia 2 game could be less beautifull then the Xbox360 version of the game.

Oh well, Red Dead Redemption all over again ....

I was just waiing a conformation about this matter and so I have decided to give the middle finger to the Ps3 version and get this game for the PC at the Steam.store.

Unbelivable how well optimized this game is on the PC bc it runs amazing on my average system.And still supports both mouse/keyboard at same time.
Now I gonna use the control pad while driving and the keyboard for the fights ...

[Allowen]

The exclusive DLC is kinda cool but I will live without it since by ordering this Mafia 2 from Steam.store I will get the Mafia 1 game to play until 27th does not arrive.
Bur I will miss those "easy" trophies on the Ps3 version .... but will win much better graphics and still keep the amazing gameplay on the PC version.

[jy_mrnd]

Getting it on steam too awesome game on PC!

[BrianC6234]

Someone blew it. Make a real PS3 engine. It is well known if you make the game to run on the PS3 it can do anything. Sounds like they made a 360 engine for the PS3 to me. I'll still buy the game but this is really dumb.

[marichuu]

I tried the demo on the 360 first, and I kind of hated it... it felt laggy, the graphics were poor compared to what I've seen during this year and even in 2009. Before finishing the demo, I shut it down.
Later that same day, I was talking to a friend on Steam, and he thought that the demo was awesome. I asked him what platform he tried it on, and he said the PC.
Usually the two of us have the same opinion about games, we both own a PS3, X360 and a gaming PC, so I figured I'd give the PC version a shot. And I have to say that I fell in love with the game pretty quickly... it was without a doubt optimized to run on a PC unlike other bad console -> PC ports. If you have a decent gaming PC, then do yourself a favor and at least try the demo before buying the game for a console.

[ufo8mycat]

All I can say is FINALLY the PC gets an opitmised game for the PC, instead of those usual sub-par ports from consoles.

The game looks drop dead gorgeous at highest settings while playing.

Though, people might find me silly for doing this, I am still going to get it for 360, even though the graphics were inferior, the gameplay was the same. I had just the same amount of fun + achievements and big screen TV to help with the experience.

This is great news for PC only owners though. Finally getting a well optimised game instead of those usual poor ports.

You console only owners need to stfu and suck it up. Now you know how PC gamers feel when they constantly get those poor ports from consoles over and over again.

[syrion]

canceled my preorder for ps3 !!

[tony6767]

canceled mine too i feel more happy now not giving 60$ to shitty lazy devloppers

[maxcer]

lol how many developers are going to be boycotted by the end of this generation?

[gcolley]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwn

[Phish]

After playing the 360 demo I wouldn't buy that version either. Just standing in the house and moving left and right results in screen tearing. The PC version on the other hand is awesome. I'm using an ATI 5870, so it looks great even without Nvidia Physx technology.

[Beahmscream]

PS3: Only does everything... but grass

[EXID]

yeah, except both of the uncharted games have better looking grass than any version of this game.

[Jazz4108]

yeah but the grass looks like crap. i have seen better looking grass on bugs bunny,

[xxxxxxxxxx1]

Uncharted was a super linear game. Its easy to make things look great when its linear. Mafia 2 is "open world" so ps3 can't handle it better then the xbox.

[Chucky2003]

we made a port and its not a good one

[cfountain]

dont want a crappy game? dont buy it. it is sad that after all these years the PS3 is still a problem for so many developers.

[XactGamer]

PC is where it's at anyway

[ChickeyCantor]

Yes people, i play games for grass...Cause the grass is always greener on the other side.

HA....HA HA...HAHAHHA....HHAHHA ....GET IT?....=/

YAAAAAY comment number 10000....crap took me a while xD

[FPShootEmUp187]

If u ask me about this game not having grass details and it is less noticeable. I think the devs is very much lazy and very lame for not even trying 2 bring grass details on par 2 par with the game. Eventhough the game is still going 2 do great anyway.

[Makidian]

At this point in both consoles life this does not make 2K look like a group of competent developers. I would have been mildly okay with it if it was, I don't know 2007, but now, with the games that have come out for the PS3, this just makes them look like lazy devs who should ask for help programming for the Cell. It's just not an excuse that's acceptable anymore.

[Tunerboy8732]

Im glad I preordered the 360 but it is a shame the ps3 version is gimped its not a hardware issue I know it can run its best on the ps3 its just pure lazyness by 2K.

[theballa113092]

Still seems like a great game.

[ElementX]

At least I own both consoles.

[slutface]

i hope this is a lesson for all developers....u will sell less copies if one version is inferior to the other....even the slightest,minute detail can cancel a whole entire purchase.

[XabiTheHumble]

I refuse to be slapped in the face like this, does 2K really think I would drop 60 dollars for the inferior product? If its going to be inferior than at least it should cost less then the 360 version, the nerve of those bastards. Anyways when I look at this comments section I get a good laugh. While these xbots boast about how there version has 2 more polygons per character than the ps3 version (and mind these differences are not even noticeable to the naked eye) I'm over here playing games on the ps3 that look significantly better and DO have noticeable differences to the naked eye and look better than anything EVERY released on the 360. It seems like these breakbox3fixme fanboys are hanging on to any sliver of good news that makes there console even in the slightest more relevant than the ps3, but please carry on don't let me disturb you celebration.

[SaberEdge]

If the differences are not noticeable to the naked eye then why are you saying 2K slapped you in the face? Why are you saying the PS3 version is an "inferior product"?

If the differences are not noticeable to the naked eye then surely they don't even matter, in which case 2K did an excellent job getting the game to be visually identical on both consoles.

Your statements are completely contradictory. I hope you can see that.

[XabiTheHumble]

Even if its not noticeable its still the inferior product, that's why i feel like i have been "slapped". Understand now dumb dumb?

[Jazz4108]

Dude your the one that sounnds like your crying. very few fanboys on the 360 are boasting about this. The game is not really high on any radar. A far as the ps3 being so great you would have a point if this was one game but it been 20 or 30 games that are better looking on the 360 to what maybe 2 Phony exclusives. I am glad you think uncharted and killzone are so great. I played them both and yes they are good but I can only play them so many times and believe me they are not that much better looking to what the 360 is offering. The 360 is geetting better looking games all the time. It just takes devs to push the haardware. The processing power in the 360 according to IBM is identical to the ps3. The ps3 has blueray for storage but it slows the system dowm and takes up many blue moons in installs and firmware updates. The ps3 would be alot better if it would not have split its ram and thats whats causing alot of the framerate issues. I dont want to argue games with you but there are so many games that are superior on the 360 then the other way around. I agree with you that MS had some issues with there hardware but I feel confident that this has been fixed as well so if you want to live in the past so be it but I look at the future and the gaming business is bright for both PS3 and 360.

[XabiTheHumble]

Do I need to direct to the first page of comments?

[UltimateSin]

OMG No Grass?!?! What has the world come to?
Less Blood? There will still be blood = More killing.
Inferior Cloth Movement? If the the characters wear pants, im okay with that.

When your shooting a guy in the face over a patch of grass your not thinking aboot the grass, your thinking to yourself 'At least I don't have to water that patch'.

[VictoriousB13]

So because minuscule graphical detail like grass and cloth won`t be TEH BEST!!!11 everyone is calling this the inferior version...... goddamn people if the fucking game plays just as well as the other versions who gives a flying fuck if the wife beater Vito`s wearing doesn`t ``move`` properly.

[JonnyBigBoss]

2K Games just lost all of my respect. I'll be renting this one. If you aren't going to put time into making your product worth a purchase then I'm not buying it. Plain and simple.

[horndog]

it only does shitty looking third party games.

[chad22hkd]

The fault is Sony's for allowing the crappy port to go on for so long. They are Sony they should say nope I don't think it's finished yet. Go in there and program the cell. Because crappy ports normally mean they don't touch the cell at all. I can't believe some of the stuff Sony does this gen.

[kasasensei]

Shame on you 2K.
Forget the ps3 version gamers! unless you want to have big headaches with the horrible framerate! lol

No grass, less effects, poor framerate, almost no aa, less blood (in a mafia game blood is important XD )... And there are still Stupid PS3 Fanboys who said it is not a huge problem??? So go on and buy you Inferior Version, you Deserve It!!!!

[earbus]

Why does ps3 have such a disadvantage in open world games i though it was powerful

[llMurcielagoll]

Hmm... I am guessing that devs of multi-plat games are too lazy to make a good port for the PS3.

[Godchild1020]

What they should have done is contact Naughty Dog and ask if they can get some help with making Mafia II on the PS3, or at least used a different engine.

They went to 360 because of ease, they short change the PS3 because of complexity. The best part of a good developer is yhe one that can unlock the potential that A system has.

2KGames didn't lose a sell, I will just pick up on the 360 and downgrade from the collectors to the regular edition, if i was going to get the PS3 version, i would just give away the DLC.

[Chrissy]

RSX sounds like Nintendo level garbage hardware. Im glad neither Mafia II or RDR were made 1st on the crippled console. Both would have obviously suffered the safe faith as FFXIII. PS3 is just 2 weak to do next gen open world games. Good job sony, next gen make a console that has a negative amount of memory in it lolol

[xAlmostPro]

lol yeah.. thats why ffiv isnt on the 360 :s or dc universe.. or the agency, or agent.. but yeah your right

[llMurcielagoll]

I am very disappointed with this graphic-wise, the game was under development for a long time and in the end they nerf them visuals on the PS3. As long the gameplay and story is good. I wont worry so much about the graphics.

[RedDeadLB]

So basically, whenever Sony announces exclusive DLC for a multiplatform game, that means that the game is gimped on the PS3 and they have to make up for it somehow. That's sad..

Just so you know, I'm a PS3/PC owner, and I prefer the PS3 over everything else, but these things just boggle my mind. Let's see about Dead Space 2 and MoH.

[mrmikew2018]

I have to disagree with you there bro. The original Dead Space looked and ran the same on both platforms. Plus Visceral Games and 2K studios are completely different programmers. One is coming from a console background, the other a PC. The PS3 was the lead platform for MoH, so I wouldn't worry to much about that. This really going to spark the fanboys that plague this site. Anybody who wanted Mafia 2 on whatever system, is going to buy it.

[FuckinUsername]

The games a shite anyway.. lol don't care tbh

[WitWolfy]

God dammit I hate being right!!!! They used the FF13 strategy, of photoshoping pics from the best version of the game. And claimed it looked like that on all platforms!!!!

2K here is my suggestion to you. If you just plan on making it AWESOMELY gorgeous on PC ONLY, THEN MAKE IT A PC exclusive!!!! And if you cant design for the PS3... GET THE FUDGE OUT OF THE KITCHEN!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll never touch any of your games ever again! Lying to us customers like this, is unacceptable! Then having the nerve coming back and act like you guys never posted bullshot pics to start with!

Lets see you guys crash and burn when the piracy numbers go through the roof with the 360 and PC versions bitches. Then we'll see who is sorry for being so damn lazy just to understand a 4 year old piece of HARDWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[No Way]

Well.. I always knew there were tons of fanboys here.
But, this jus goes to show how many crybabies are here, too.

You people are really not going to buy the game, because there is a little bit less of grass, than on the x360 or PC? Is that what fanboyism has really come down too, nowadays?

Holy damn..

[xAlmostPro]

than the PC VERSION.. it clearly states pc, not 360

[tdinc]

that statement just proves that most 3rd party devs are lazy and suck....

[xAlmostPro]

did anyone actually read it.. there will be grass and blood.. only the grass wont be as high detailed as the PC VERSION(doesnt say its worse than 360?) and blood pools not as large which isnt exactly a bad thing(also this is in comparison to the pc version) and cloth movement :O wow lol..

yeah its pretty lazy but its not as bad as it seems.. this title is wrote as if there is zero grass in the game lol

[jneul]

LAZY DEVS......
@ all the guys having a go at ps3, they can't even get the PC version right what makes you think they have a chance at getting the ps3 version right, they did not try and make it work for ps3, as if they did they would have to build a new engine as it uses a different architecture, all they did was port it, so they did not even try to make it work to ps3 strengths and x360 fans can't talk the x360 version is still **** compared to the PC version

[futurenana]

I couldn't see the difference with RDR. It was missing patches of grass here and there, but still ran at a pretty high resolution and didn't have any massive problems.

Absence of grass is a pretty large problem however. I'm pretty sure overall I'd get more enjoyment out of the PS3 version regardless, the DLC actually adds quite a lot... but I own my PS3 for technical, superiority. Where it largely delivers in leaps and bounds, but multiplatforms like this are disappointing.

The real problem is that PS3 games need to be built from the ground up, on PS3. This is a terrible PC port, the 360 version is a bad PC port. This developer obviously decided it was easier for them to produce an extra set of missions (whilst which do add a fair bit to the game, as they are only 'arcade' missions, and did not take any significant time to develop).

Should have dropped resolution a little, if they had to sacrifice detail to keep them both at 720p. The PS3 already has over 70 1080p games vs less than 10 on 360, so I'm not going to QQ about having another sub HD title in my collection.

You can't put it off as the PS3 being bad at sandbox games either, Saints Row 2 looks better, runs better, and exactly the same as it's 360 counterpart. Infamous is a great sanbox game, and whilst GTAIV is at a slightly lower resolution, with a greater drawdistance and smoother framerate, it's technically superior.

[Hades1337]

You can't call the developers lazy, it's Sony's fault for making their console so difficult to develop for. Studios like Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica can develop more advanced games for the PS3 because they are in-house developers, so they benefit from working directly with Sony designers. Third-party studios don't have that advantage, and considering the fact that they are working on multiple platforms, the PS3 versions of a given game are inevitably going to suffer.

At the end of the day Sony are losing out the most; the inevitable inferior sales of Mafia II on the PS3 will reflect badly on the console and the company.

[hiredhelp]

i agree to a certan extent.
but then i disagree because they said they actually made the game seperatly on both consoles heres the reply on the forum from 2K
2K Elizabeth 2K Elizabeth

Nothing was ported. Each version was built on its own system - be it PS3, 360, or PC. That's actually one of the reasons for the slight variations - there is no port here.

now what you say to this. its called cutting corners with white lies.

[-IronMan-]

Made by 2k Czech. Enough said. LOL

[fr3d0]

looks very amateurish

[hiredhelp]

IM ABSALUTLY F**** FUMING. WTF .This is a clear case of a port to 360 but a developed pc game. if they actually didnt port the dam game and used the hardware propally .like the vga chip. this wouldnt happen they said this not a port BS,and actually the cpu does the lighting physics on the ps3 so that mean they need to undertsand how that works to get the best out of the console. so im not supprised.
this is a copy and paste from the thread i read like it makes it alright.

(2K Elizabeth 2K Elizabeth)
I really dislike the word "inferior" because I disagree with it completely. I wanted to answer your specific questions about individual details people brought up, but overall the PS3 version of the game is a full world with all the content (and actually exclusive extra content) and an amazing story line full of driving, shooting, and other Mafia goodness.

http://forums.2kgames.com/f...

[il-mouzer]

as usual, peopel on this site are ignoreing the facts, mafia2 was built on PC from the ground up, with Physx and all the fancy stuff PC entails, of course this is only possible on recent hardware (2 years old mostly), both consoles are oer 3 years of age now and the PS3 has a much weaker GPU than the 360 has

apart from that the PS3 architecture is so diverse that it's much harder to port, especially for a small dev team

[hiredhelp]

WTF ARE YOU ON MAN. you understand nothing. the gpu isnt weaker its the same power as the 360 but the cell takes alot of what the single chip does on the 360. it actually handles more stress than the BASIC gpu in the 360.

[nickjkl]

the cell doenst change the fact that the gpu is weaker like come on man youre logic is seriously flawed the cpu doesnt make the gpu stronger

it might off load work but that doesnt make the gpu stronger

[il-mouzer]

it may handle more "stress".

but jolly boy it won't render you textures as quickly =/

[f1ipmode]

Will not buy for the PS3

[Candy1]

Same cost for console versions yet Did dev's not think they couldn't hide this graphic con? Who knows what other features of the PS3 ver' has been deprived. The omission of character cloth movement is depriving of what supposed to bring signature features to Mafia 2's flare.

Canceled it for xbox ver' to prevent further surprises.

[notuptome2004]

anywho as above the PS3 is not a 6 or 7 or 8 core chip it is a single core PPE based engine with 7 SPE units

here is a link to Gambryo engine the one used for elder scrolls 4 and many other games this is the engine outline for the PS3

http://www.emergent.net/Pro...

PLAYSTATION®3: Unique Architecture, Unique Game Development Challenges
The PS3's assymetric NUMA (non-uniform memory access) architecture is comprised of:

An IBM Cell B.E. chip featuring an MIMD design, with
One PowerPC core, the PPE, and
Seven Synergistic Processing Units, or SPUs -- none of which have direct access to main memory.

as stated above the PS3 only is a single core chip but with 7 special unit engines for certain kinds of task.

now for the Xbox 360 witch uses a Tri-core 6 threaded chip 3 Power Pc cores http://www.emergent.net/Pro...

Gamebryo for Microsoft Xbox 360: Take Advantage of Multi-Core
Gamebryo and Floodgate help your team streamline game development for the multiple cores on Microsoft’s Xbox 360™.

With Gamebryo's built-in Floodgate stream processing engine, its easy to take advantage of the symmetric multi-core PowerPC architecture on the Xbox 360 is easy with the Floodgate stream processing engine. Gamebryo also offers VMX128-optimized matrix math routines, multithreaded operations and optimized memory management for developing on the 360.

[blazsox]

I enjoyed the Mafia II PS3 demo. I don't have a PC capable of running Mafia II (well, because I use a Mac), I barely touch my 360 due to RRoD issues that I refuse to buy a new system for, and the demo to me looked fine. I planned to hold off my purchase anyway because of finances. Heck I'm spending $200 that same week on the LOST Complete Collection Blu-Ray set.

[SHOGUN 36o]

1. Turn on 360
2. Go to netflix
3. ???????
4. Watch Lost complete season
5. Spend $200 on games
6. FUN and Good times

[rumplstilts]

PS3 fans are the whiniest little bitches I have ever seen.

Waah waah no grass! Boo hoo no blood pools! Sob sob the cloth isn't up to my oh so high standards!

Grow the hell up!

[CrIpPeN]

says the guy with buzz lightyear as an avatar. LOL

[R0l3]

The grass and blood have turned down a little and now potential PS3 buyers are going into a sissy fit about not purchasing the game. Jesus, calm down I thought you wanted to buy it for the experience in Empire Bay and now you're not because the game lacks that and CLOTH MOVEMENT.

Granted some of you refuse to buy it, but to scream and shout about minor issues isn't particularly necessary..

[HardcoreHDGamer]

Is it me or do I read ''There will not be highly detailed grass or large pools of blood'' this?

Which does not say 'No grass''. Just ''Not highly detailed grass'' and for a game like this, *open world* grass and that kind of thing is never detailed and perfect anyhow.

So I'm guessing this is rather an article for Xbots to put down the PS3 version for yet another invalid reason, or someone's trying to hate on this game and damage it's sales.

I'm buying this game day one as it deserves all it get's, the game looks beautiful.

[HardcoreHDGamer]

Double post.

[FwanK]

You lost 60 bucks here...

Im gonna purchase flower instead, thats some amazing grass!

[CrIpPeN]

Haha and flowers bro D

[NobleRed]

Check this out:

http://www.massivebear.com/...

A third class dev studio developed the ps3 version. What a shame.

[RandomGamer]

Wow they actually said nothing was ported and each version was built on it's own system.I say BS the PS3 version looks like shit.

Now while I do have a 360 I could buy this on ,why would I support this type of crap from a lazy developer.

[stuntman_mike]

Vote with your wallets dont buy it.

[MrLife]

HAHA where are the guys that said: "ohh noo look the final version has improved alot, it will include grass you dumbasses, the graphics will be top notch"
HAHAHHAHA

[Havince]

wow the PS3 is awesome...................LOL

[NobleRed]

Strange that just Cause 2(PS3) looks a hell better than Crapfia 2. Even with 256mb.

The ps3 has a total of 512mb memory btw.

[notuptome2004]

you are correct somewhat that the PS3 has 512mb of ram but it is separately split

the PS3 has 256mb of system ram and 256mb of Vram but un Developers cannot use the main system ram for any graphics and or texture stuff

the Xbox 360 uses a unified memory system so Developers can use up to 512 ram the xbox 360 GPU is a unified shader architecture just like are current graphics chips so the entire system can be either a Pixel shader call or vertex shader call

the PS3 uses a Off the shelf Nvidia 7800 series GPU slightly modified for the PS3 and that GPU is based on a fixed function set of P-shader or v-shaders and the 7800 had a 22 shader pipeline with 2 vertex shader system

so anyways the 360 has 512 unified system ram + the 10mmb of fast 256gb/s EDram Daughter ram to the main GPU for post processing effects while the PS3 has only 256 only for

[CrIpPeN]

When I get a proper gaming rig I would get this for the PC.

[wolfofashes]

I don't see why so much madness about this we are talking about a multiplat release,that technically is still sub-par to the first Uncharted,but hey don't hate on 2K at least they are honest,even though the PlayStation 3 is the most powerful console this generation you have to spend a lot of time,money and effort on it to get things right,basically you have to recode your engine to allow memory swapping,allocate GPU processes to the SPU's AND make all the SPU's work on parallel.The PS3 reminds of the Gamecube,even though it was indeed more powerful than the PS2,it was more complicated to work with and many times people made a mistake assuming that by a multiplat release the PS2 was more powerful than the Gamecube.It's almost the same thing as assuming that the sun is smaller than Earth because that's what you see when you look up in the sky on a sunny day.However too bad that the devs couldn't even get a thing like cloth simulation that is extremely simple right on the PS3.

[notuptome2004]

Replay for both of your comments

Firstly the PS2 was not more powerful then the GC Why? well 2 reason the GC had better specs but it also just like the 360 uses General purpose processor such as what an intel and AMD CPU is the development environment is far more like the PC environment so it was more familiar

Now for the PS3/360 thing

the PS3 and even on sonys site states this Memory
256MB XDR Main RAM Other operations
RSX Off the shelf Nvidia 7800 GPU 256MB GDDR3 VRAM <<Dedicated to the GPU

now the SPE engines witch are note CPU Cores in the PS3 are powerful when coded properly for but the issue lies in time and money that most developers dont want to spend money on . and i beg to differ on the PS3 being the most powerful console when it has a much weaker GPU much weaker CPU configuration unless ya spend time programming for it and not alot of developers will when they can turn out higher quality version of there games for the 360 in less time .

[wolfofashes]

Wow there's a guy talking a lot of crap here about things he doesn't know.First off yes both memories on the PS3 are acessible to either GPU or CPU.Second there are 256 MBs of the same ram used on the 360+256 MB of memory clocked at 3.2 GH/s on the PS3.The second itself is better than the 512 mb pool+10 mb edram in it's entirety,it's simply WAY WAY faster.The SPU's are specialized cores that means that they are way better and faster to number crunching than the obsolete PPE's,people just don't like to work with SPU's because they have to load a LOT more of code to them that demand more money and man hours.Third the Cell Broadband Engine is capable of GPU operations being even superior to GPU's not only that but it's capable of crunching way more than the 360's CPU can maxed out.The PlayStation 3 with Cell,the RSX and Blu Ray combined simply outperforms the 360 in any hardware related aspect of a game.The problem is it requires a lot of money,time and effort and when you are a third party you have to work on a suicidal time frame since you are not working on the PS3 only that's why cases like this happens till this days.By the way I have to correct myself I meant Take-Two NOT 2K.

[wolfofashes]

I apologize for the rather harsh answer,I assumed you were a fanboy but you are just misinformed.I couldn't agree more at the fact that the RSX is weaker that the 360 GPU but it's not much weaker as the myth says,in fact there are cases in which the RSX is stronger but overall is weaker than 360's GPU however when we talk about CPU's the Cell is much stronger,of course that you need a lot more optimization but when paralleled the SPE's get much better performance in any calculation than a PPE and surprisingly enough GPU's out at that time,in fact maxed out the 360's CPU barely manages to get less than 50% of Cell's performance combine that to the XDR and Cell we get an even bigger gap.The secret of Gamecube was a more powerful CPU the Gecko,GPU wise the PS2 was even more superior to Gamecube than the 360 is superior to the PS3,and even tough the GC had more memory they were 2 separated pools of 22 mb each when in the PS3 you got a 33 mb unified pool.Basically we got the GC-PS2 case again in where the PS3 is the Gamecube and the 360 is the PS2(but the particularities differ of course).I won't repeat my explanation but the fact is Sony's PlayStation 3 is the most powerful console out this generation,it outperforms the 360 in every hardware related aspect of a game however you couldn't be more right that it's way easier to get things out of the 360 when you use a common and less time consuming PC-like approach.

[Tito08]

And see the outcome!!!

[the1four]

uncharted 2 ...........mafia 2 hhhhhhmmm....graphically for me uncharted 2 has set the bar boooff..