The PS3 difference in 1UP's Madden 08 Review: 8.5 for PS3 Vs 9 for 360

From the The PS3 difference part of review near the end:
"Sadly, just like with NCAA Football 08 and All-Pro Football 2K8, PS3 owners are stuck with an inferior version of Madden. While the game runs at 60 frames per second on Microsoft's box, Madden only clocks in at 30fps on Sony's console. The result? The gameplay isn't nearly as smooth as the 360 version and even stutters at times."

[Douche]

1UP loves to stir up whatever's given to them. This was pretty predictable of them. I can see them playing the PS3 version saying, "Ok now, we've been playin' for 10 hours straight lookin' for a glitch, let's give it a break." "Ohh wait!...Shoe, did you see that frame-rate stutter at the 2 minute warning?! "I don't think I...OMG, fine, w/e, can we go play Calling All Cars now?"

[InMyOpinion]

Don't blame the site. It's not like they are making it up. The 360 version runs at 60 fps and the PS3 version at 30 fps. 60 fps is smoother than 30, their accusations are legit. In the end it's Sonys fault for not delivering proper SKU's (if it isn't a hardware issue).

You can bang your head all you want, it still won't change the fact that the 360 gets the better versions of multi platform games.

[Real Gambler]

But since EA has decided that they are pulling the plug on online servers for most of their 2006 games (one year old!), there's absolutely no way I'm buying any of their games. For the price we are paying today, I expect to be able to play online more than one year. It's even worst for xbox owners, because they do pay $50/year to get better online support, and yet they loose online play as well.
EA is in for the money, but I'm in it for the fun, and not being able to play online after one year is stupid.
So they made my decision easy not by cutting corners on this game, but by being greedy a while back and cutting online servers after one year for their games.

[Anything but Cute]

only 30% of XBOX 360 owners know about it's HD capabilities. While we're all making a fuss about framerates, and a slow motion video. The average consumer won't give a crap about this.

[jay3]

I'm with you on that one

[Sphinx]

You're right, the average consumer won't care about the frame rate differences because they will not be informed of the difference. However, we are not average consumers, and I do care.

[Maldread]

Yeah unfortunately you`re right Lorenzferus. Most people don`t notice or even care about fps- problems if it`s not pointed out for them. It`s almost like they don`t notice the identical sports-games that comes out every year too. How else do you think EA got so big ;)

Sphinx, i`m with you on that, it does matter to us gamers.

[Mu5afir]

People who are buying Madden won't care if it's 30 FPS or 60 FPS. Frankly your eyes will have a VERY HARD TIME, distinguish the difference between the two frame rates. As your eye is perfectly OK seeing in 23.976 FPS. How 1up noticed an "actual" difference boggles my mind.

Unless they saw a "frame drop" on the Ps3 version, they shouldn't have noticed an "over glaring" difference between the two versions. And it seems, they really didn't have anything negative to say about the game.

Since they gave it a 8.5, it seems a .5 points was dedicated to the 60 FPS that no one really cares about, and no one unless really looking hard will notice.

Oh, and I am amazed 1up didn't know that NCAA Football 08 is going to be 60 FPS on both platforms.

[JsonHenry]

Lol, why did I even buy my PS3?! I had the better console a year earlier!

[reaperxciv]

the SWEETSPOT for buying a ps3 is 2009

[cloud360]

hey why would it go lower fps on ps3. or was the game designed on a 360 engine

[MK_Red]

I thought the devs said that of all EA sports games, at least Madden would run at 60fps on PS3 but with this and the vidoe comparison that was posted 2-3 days ago...

[Omegasyde]

A Unknown EA person stated that. Not an official.

EA lost alot of Ps3 sales, this year I bet. I do hope they don't buy Ubisoft! OMFG games would be doomed to mediocracy and crappness, I can't play splintercell at 15 frames!

[monoknacker]

with simulataneous releases will probably look better on the 360 for a while because it's a well known fact that the system is easier to develop for and has better developer tools at the moment; however the Sony edge tools which they reveiled at GDC will hopefully go along way to rectifying this situation as it's about giving third-party developers the same tools as the first-parties are using. So in the furture games on the PS3 theoretically should play just as good, if not better then their 360 counter-parts.

[sjappie]

Or does this only apply to the ps3?

[spasticjustice]

I don't think that's what he was saying. He's just saying over time the ps3 may surpass the 360. He never said that was the only possiblity...

[Bordel_1900]

@ sjappie

No, it applies to x360 also.

Madden 2009 on x360 will be 90 fps and PS3 will be 60fps.

[MetalProxy]

90 fps? your eye cant notice anything more than 60 fps so give it up. Sonys NBA game runs at 1080p and 60fps why cant EA do it?

[Skizelli]

http://www.100fps.com/how_m...

[SimmoUK]

EA built it on 360, Ps3 is a totally different machine processor wise having the cell, most studios have said they will build on PS3 then port to 360 because it's easyer that way, EA obviously isn't concerned about the frame rate on PS3 you only have to look at other PS3 games to know there's nothing that PS3 isn't capable of, EA have always been concerned about money more than anything and that won't change now Peter Moore is there eather...

It's a shame for the Madden fans but at the end of the day if you haven't played the 360 version you wouldn't know any difference anyway...

[solidt12]

Yeah that is the only problem with the first batch of third party games. 360 to PS3 ports aren't that great from lazy studios. You gotta start on the PS3 then port to the 360 and alot of developers are doing the next batch of game that way. There are some exception like Oblivion, and Rainbow 6 Vegas. These games were ported over and they run great. Oblivion actually looks alot better on the PS3. So it is challenging but if it is done right will be even better on the PS3.

I am sure there will be alot of flame from the 360 xbots.

[sjappie]

Does the reason for it make it any less bad? It is what it is.
"Jeah, well, ps3 is just harder to develop for, but they'll get the hang of it"
Maybe Sony shouldn't have made the ps3 so hard to develop for, also, devs are getting more familiar with the 360 to, so I think 360 will always have the edge in multiplatform games.
I'm not saying this to flame, but I'm getting sick of people acting like the ps3 is so superior, while it's obvious it's not. I think some people need to give the 360 some credit, instead of coming up with excuses and saying; "You just wait and see". I live and game in the present.

If you disagree, then please make a comment to back it up.

[Sez]

how many dev said that. i only know the dev for lair said that. countless dev said that the ps3 is hard to develope for and cost them more. it noone fault but sony. for not listening to dev's when creating their system like MS did.

[SimmoUK]

PS3 is harder to develop for because of it's architecture it's multi core, which happens to be faster than 360's processor...

Ratchet and Clank, LAIR, Heavenly Sword, MGS4, Killzone 2 to name a few all look better graphically than madden...

[rareairtone]

I love my 360 and the xbox brand but the physical hardware in the ps3 is marginally stronger: the 360 is like 2 GeForce 6800s and the ps3 is slightly stronger than that. Now when that is a clearcut benefit over owning the 360 remains to be seen.

[supnub5]

Sega Rally Revo, and Burnout Paradise, is first made on ps3 and then ported to 360, a lot of devs admitted that.

[illizit]

I love the people that say 'the ps3 is only marginally stronger...'
Ok idiots, I'll explain it again, but please try to listen this time.

If you are looking at the graphics card only then yes, the ps3 is only marginally stronger than the 360 HOWEVER, the real power of the ps3 is with the CELL + RSX. Have you even seen what IBM has done with the CELL only? They were able to simulate a full city (in real time).
It's a fact of the technology world: The faster and better technology gets, the harder it is to program for. Back in the SNES days, it only took a few people to make games, now even for the 360 it takes hundreds to make an original game! It's costing almost as much to make movies, why you ask? Because it's HARDER to develop for!!! The ps3 is more difficult than the 360, it's not because Sony isn't providing the correct SDK tools but it's because it's architecture is more advanced, no one has seen it before, so of course it's going to be harder. Right now it wouldn't make sense for companies such as EA to develop for the PS3 first (waste money) and then port it to the 360. A lot of people are right when they say EA only cares about money.
The ps3 is more powerful, A LOT more, and the proof will come very soon (killzone, etc). Were just going to have to wait until the devs get more familiar with the ps3.

[ip-student]

The PS3 - from a GPU perspective - is weaker. It is silly to suggest otherwise. It theoretically has more power for certain operations (such as those suitable for physics) but it doesn't help much in gaming software. It is possible to overcome the weakness of the PS3 GPU by utilizing the cell but then you lose elsewhere. Basically, the PS3 architechture is a poor choice for a console - it will always be poor. Sony screwed up. Now Sony is hoping developers can overcome the screw-up and do something with the PS3. Some are having success but the real issue is not whether it is possible but rather whether it is cost effective. If it is not cost effective then the potential is worthless.

I am sure Sony will produce some nice games (there is lots of power if you could just use it) but I wonder how much money the 3rd parties are going to spend trying to get the PS3 to run like they want.

Both MS and Sony would probably have been better to push a more capable CPU with less theoretical power and easier development. Oh well, the good thing about this is perhaps someone will advance the state of the art of multi-thread programming and then everyone will be better off.

[felidae]

here comes TheMART!

[LSDARBY]

this is gonna have lik 200 comments

[achira]

this site is a joke ? yesterday MGS4 had over 31000 hype points, now it has 30800. who manipulates that ? what sense has this if the values get manipulated ? its a joke seriously. (the same was with killzone 2 it had over 31000 now under 30000). but halo3 is an exception, it gets 3000 from nowehere ??? this site is a joke. only nice if you want to read the newest rumours without sense.
i know its off topic, but can someone explain me why this 2 ps3 games lost some points ?

edit: lol, now kz2 has 25000 ?!? is this a joke ? why dont halo3 loose some thousands ?

P4KE: aha, thank you, thats what explains it a little bit. but it is strange that only the two ps3 titles lost the points, although there were news for killzone2 yesterday.

captain turtle: its a simple question, if you cant answer it than ignore the comment, thats easy.

[Captain Tuttle]

Chill out man, you're becoming obsessed. Don't you have some summer reading assignments to do or something?

And if the site is a joke, stop coming here. Trust me, we'll survive.

[P4KY B]

I think the more a game is in the news the more points it gets. A bit like column inches in a news paper.
But when its out of the news it gradually looses them.

Thats why Gears of War and Forza are no longer at the top of the list.

[InMyOpinion]

The only joke here is you, and it ain't that funny.

[darx]

1UP.com is biased towards the PS3.

[achira]

you mean against ?

[djt23]

the ps3 game is running 30fp. on every other console include the ds the game is running 60fp.
so that mean game is choke like hell or it is very slow
just think about it

[timmyp53]

bad port or not. =)

[alexander22rednaxela]

POWNED
SALT IN THE WOUND?

I have a PS3 my self and a 360 so I will overcome this, but this hurts doesen`t it?

[Silvanos]

It's a sports title it will be fine at 30.

[Maldread]

Honestly, if the situation is the same for PS3 next year as well, they`ve got a serious problem on their hands. I would expect anything less from EA, but it`s not only EA which is having a problem.

It`s good that Sony is trying to remedy the problem with the EDGE-tools and their collaboration with Epic on the UT-engine, but i think as the situation is now, it`s better to delay the games than to have them released at the same time with the 360 version, if the PS3 version is inferior. It`s obvious that developers are struggling with the PS3 and i hope more will start to make the PS3 version first and then port it to 360, instead of what we`re seeing now.

Sony`s first party games show that the machine is capable of running the games too, so i hope Sony will get even better to help the third party developers with their games too, because this can`t go on for much longer.

[DrRage77]

well, this makes you wonder harder as to why GTA4 got delayed....possibly because running it smoothly on the ps3 has been an issue and they want to work that out before releasing a game? obviously releasing a game that does not run well will impact not only what poeple think of the console, but also of the game developer.....

[Maldread]

Yeah you`re spot on. I don`t see the point of speculating on GTA4, even though you could be right on that too. Rockstar is a great delveloper, so maybe they just wanted to get the game right on both colsoles, because it didn`t meet their requirements. Who knows really, except Rockstar hehe ;)

[TheMART]

Thanks for the intro Idontcare

Yep TheMART is here. I think I should launch my own brand and t-shirts, don't you? I have about 60 trackers and about the same amount of ignores. Can anyone top that :P

Anyhow, although it seems a minor point, scoring 0.5 point lower on the PS3 version, this is a HUGE signal to the USA. Yep it is.

American Football is big in USA. Now Madden 08 will be sold, people that love the sports, want the game and a console to play it on. People that want the game and hear that the 360 version is better, while the hardware isn't as overexpensive as the PS3, or see the game running on demopods besides each other...

Will certainly pick the 360 version. Plus is moves 360 units.

"Sadly, just like with NCAA Football 08 and All-Pro Football 2K8, PS3 owners are stuck with an inferior version of Madden. While the game runs at 60 frames per second on Microsoft's box, Madden only clocks in at 30fps on Sony's console. The result? The gameplay isn't nearly as smooth as the 360 version and even stutters at times"

People aren't blind or stupid. I think I'll make some TheMART t-shirts also with the text: 'Madden 08 - 60fps for 360, 30fps for Bottleneck 3'

I think those will sell well with those millions 360 fans in USA haha

[sjappie]

lol.

[gunnerforlife]

wow u sure r full or you're self i don't know how u still have so many bubbles. and a game like madden could never move console on there masses, probably 10K more no more than that. i really hope the ps3 version sells like sh1t so EA can learn there lesson too not treat one console better than the other

[Raptors]

As long as I'm around theMart will always have bubbles lol This guy kills me with his commentary. But back to the article, how are people mad at 1up for just stating an obvious fact that the game runs smoother on the 360? I mean its unfortunate that the ps3 costs more yet in certain instances undelivers.

[TheMART]

@ Sjappie

I'll translate for those non Dutch :P

"Where can I order the t-shirts"

That option could be sooner announced then one thinks... I won't spoil anything but there will be something announced around Leipzig GC :P

@ lavdrim

"wow u sure r full or you're self"

No I'm not. I am just stating that people track/ignore me. Those are facts.

"and a game like madden could never move console on there masses, probably 10K more no more than that."

You're wrong. Millions of Americans are highly interested in American Football. And in the hype of it all there won't be only 10k buying a console. And even if it was. Every extra 360 sold is good.

"i really hope the ps3 version sells like sh1t so EA can learn there lesson too not treat one console better than the other"

Well we don't need EA to reach that goal. There are only 4 million PS3's out there and about 12 million 360's. Attach rate PS3 is about 3.5 (same as the Wii or so), the 360 has a 6.1 attach rate of games per unit.

Thus: the 360 makes the most money for game developers. Combine that with the better multiplatform versions and AAA games for these months like Bioshock and Halo 3. PS3 will go back to where it belongs. Nr.3 this gen

@ Bootsielon (below)

"Seriously though, people aren't gonna pay $400+ (or $560+) just for Madden. BRAND NAME does "to the USA", as in, to casuals. "

Uh. You forgot the pricedrop?

Premium is 349 Dollar now. Advice pricing of MS. Many shops will have better offers even. As the 360 already can be bought overhere for 349 Euro instead of 399 for a premium as the official price is.

Thus: 349 + game 50 dollar max. 400 total, while the PS3 would be 500 (if offer 60 GB is still in store) or even worse 600 dollar + 50 for a minor quality game compared to the 360, thus 550 or 650 dollar compared to 400 dollar.

Yep real sport fanatics will buy it. They spend a large amount of money on a ticket for a game. A grown up won't be shocked for 400 Dollar as you PS3 kiddies are. And people see Bioshock AAA and Halo 3 coming up. Also huge in USA.

[felidae]

you're welcome.

if i would like football games i would pick this one up for my 360 - no doubt about that.

but that doesn't mean that i have to bash all the ps3 users because it's not their fault neither it's Sony's.

the game will be nice for those who like no matter if it's on the 360 or the ps3. no one will sell his ps3 and buy a 360 because of 30 frames difference.

i like your comments, that's why i'm tracking you. i think you have some good points ... sometimes. and i think, the day you get a ps3, you'll see that some things you've said, are just plain dumb.

there's probably a lot of wrong english in this one. sorry.

[bootsielon]

"Anyhow, although it seems a minor point, scoring 0.5 point lower on the PS3 version, this is a HUGE signal to the USA."

LOL, HUGE? More like who cares? People have a life, and "the USA" couldn't care less.

Seriously though, people aren't gonna pay $400+ (or $560+) just for Madden. BRAND NAME does "to the USA", as in, to casuals.

"Yep it is. "

Why do you need to rephrase your original statement? We got it the first time, we're not like you. I guess you think it is fun to be annoying.

[snakeater3]

lol ....the mart ? ur dutch ? hehehe .....didnt know u were gay...that explains why you're always trying to fck sony in the ass and go down on m$'s dck !!

[Pika-pie]

Naaa, more like TheMart brand toilet paper. :P

Xbots win this round. The game runs better on the 360. IMO i dont think it matters unless you were actually going to buy the game. Let them have this one.

Just because this one game is better doesnt mean jack to me. EA could have made it identical/better if they worked at it, we all know PS3 is more difficult for development... Remember, PS3 is an investment in things to come (This is waiting!)

All other multiplats look identical PS3/360 apart from Oblivion which is way better on PS3.

[Primetimebt]

Seriously can you told me which verison has sold more in the past 10 years? Even if the 360 sells more than the PS3 and it still doesn't sale more than the Sony Brand (PS2 & PS3). The fact is if a person has been playing the the game on the the PS2 for years they don't want take the jump to XBOX verison and try to learn the new controls. Now when is an internet gaming site review gonna help boost more people to the XBOX is total bs. Outside the hardcore gaming community nobody reads reviews and this game could easy help the PS3 with it's shi!!y verison sale more console to those PS2 owner looking to upgrade.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

He's ignored by about 100 users. Lol.

[heroman711]

U ARE DEAD TO ME BASTARDO

[poet215]

Yo dog, what's wrong with you? Are you on the payroll or something? Why are you so madly obsessed, & anticipating the PS3's failure. Did you have a bad experience with Sony? Does Microsoft pay you for you're devoted promotion? Son, you really act as if this whole fanboy.....mines is better than yours stuff, is really that serious. You seem as if the PS3/360 argument is as deep as who goes to heaven or hell for that matter. You like 360 fine, you're still entitled to your opinions though. But at this point, those opinions are past obnoxtious.....get a f*cking life already! For your sake I seriously hope that you're under 21 & don't have a girlfriend yet. Maybe that could help support your behaviour.

[RadientFlux]

meh most people won't notice a difference but I am sure over the next few weeks fanboys from both sides will be staring at pixels to prove their version of the game is better.

[alexander22rednaxela]

Does anyone think Peter MOore had something to do with PS3 versions of EA sports games being inferior?

[DrRage77]

um, kind of hard to do that when he had only RECENTLY accepted a job at EA...i really think it is kind of hard to change the development for soon-to-be released games when you are a new employee and have ZERO to do with the actual game writing code pertaining to the way a game runs on a console lol

[Ravenator529]

60 fps is better than 30 fps. How can they give the same grade when frame rate speed is very much a big part of how a game is reviewed?

They knocked off half a point and rightfully so.

Don't be bitter at 1up, be bitter with EA. EA created the game and is responsible for the difference in framerate.

Also, you need to take into consideration the fact that EA created Madden 06 and 07 for the 360 with only 30 fps. It took 2 years to get the madden franchise running at 60 fps on the 360.

So if you use the same timetable, EA should have Madden 09 running at 60 fps on the PS3.

[DrRage77]

lets also remember that Madden 06 and Madden 07 are both barely useful as drink coasters....i really hope Madden 08 is actually a GOOD football game....i myself an done with Madden unless i can pick it up for like $20 several months down the road...i wasted my money on Both '06 and '07....

[Primetimebt]

Why they're not selling well on the PS3. I'm glad the only two games I buy from EA anymore is NCAA, and Madden.

[FirstknighT]

HAHA, this just keeps on getting funnier and funnier. I love reading the whining and excuses the sony duds keep on spitting. I LOVE IT!

The 360 keeps on prevailing while the ps3 keeps on failing.

Even their precious LAIR has been clocked at 20fps. WOW, that is just pathetic. Lair is supposed to use the "power" of the ps3 and it still has problems with the framerate.

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey Mart! Hook me up with a shirt!!!! I want one that says...."The gameplay isn't nearly as smooth as the 360 version and even stutters at times."

[Raptors]

Are you joking? It really clocked in at only 20fps???? Wow lol Im sorry ps3 owners, hearing stuff like that would piss me off. Wow. Its the emotion engine claims all over again.

[achira]

what a idiot, and the idiot who replies is an example of stupidity. dont believe everything what you read, lair is not 20 fps. but lair is in 1080p resoulition, that means it is needed about 4 times the power as if it would be only in 720p. thats a difference!

[Antan]

Its 30fps which dips now and again into the 20`s. My friend at Factor 5 mentioned a few things. It usually dips when there are masses of ground troops in view, though quite a few strides have been taken this past month to iron out "most" of the framerate hiccups. If the dips are not too frequent i won`t lose sleep over it. I also assume you were saying it runs @ 20fps constantly?

EDIT-: Achira.

"but lair is in 1080p resoulition, that means it is needed about 4 times the power as if it would be only in 720p. thats a difference!"

Thats the daftest thing ive read today!

EDIT-: Mart.

"I'd rather have a game that rocks in 720p"

I think in Lair`s case this "SHOULD" of been the target resolution. I think they would of hit that contant 30fps with no problems at all, but as soon as they said it was 1080p they really couldn`t of backed down without people kicking a fuss up somewhere down the line. It is of course a good marketing tool, but if the game suffers for it.......then for me it was a bad choice. Ill say internally Factor 5 are regretting the decsision to go 1080p, but hindsights a wonderful thing. Ill reserve judgement until i play it, i don`t mind erratic framerates, just depends on how erratic the framerate is.

LOL, wasn`t this a maddens thread ??!!

[TheMART]

@ Achira

I'd rather have a game that rocks in 720p, then a freakin' bad game (EGM gave the average rating of 6 for Lair, one reviewer even gave it a 5 out of 10. THE GAME SUCKS DONKEY BALLS).

Plus, 98% of all HDTV's sold (at least those in Europe, LCD HDTV) are 720p and not 1080p. To compare: a 32 inch Samsung HDTV 720p/1080i is about 600 Euro now here, a 1080p 42 inch Samsung is about 1700 Euro now.

What you think the mass of people buys? RIGHT 720p. I'd rather fly a descent plane in a good series of Ace Combat 6 exclusive on the 360 then a bad dragon game that tries to impress with some CGI flames probably

[Seafort]

Lets hope the x360 can handle the extra fps as it just might die on some ppl. 33% failure rate isnt something to be proud of. If it was any other company there would have been a recall but M$ decided to throw money at it instead of solving the problem.

Considering the x360 has been out twice as long as the ps3/wii i would expect developers to be familiar with the dev tools now. They've had long enough to get used to them.

Ps3 is totally new technology, x360 is not. M$ dont like to take risks so they stick to the most generic hardware they could. It may bite them in the ass as HD textures get bigger and bigger.

Sony has a 10 year plan for ps3, M$ has no such plan for x360. You'll see x720 in 2-3 years if M$ dont lose too much more money on shoddy hardware design flaws :)

[FirstknighT]

The 360 has 63 games that averaged 80 and up! While the ps3 only has 14 AND 8 of those games were better on the 360!

WOW!!!!!!

I can just feel the anger from the sony boys! Another victory for us 360 boys! :D

*EDIT*
Antan, actually it is 63. The last game rated 80 and up is NBA 2k6!

[Antan]

"The 360 has 63 games that averaged 80 and up"

Close but no cigar. closer to 52. Still a good figure though.

http://www.gamerankings.com

EDIT-: aahh so you put the minimum reviews required down to 0........er, ok.....

[heroman711]

@ the mart

IM COMING TO KILL YOU. BETTER KEEP ONE EYE OPEN TONIGHT

[Antan]

Its not the end of the world is it? Lets be honest and say this year hasn`t been particulary great as far as multi-plat PS3 titles go compared to the 360? Im sure the gap will close up somewhat once things settle down in the PS3 dev community. Im sure Sony won`t be happy of course, especially where Madden is concerned in the states, hopefully this will make them more determined to make things right in 2008. Maybe Maddens 2008 will be more close to the 360 counterpart?

[ion666]

i could care less their games are made in third world countries anyway. the games they have been spewing is evidence of that.proof need for speed used to be good,garbage.def jam was cool last gen now,garbage.madden series the 90's was hot next gen 2k sports spanked them.thier a c average company now.they need peter moore.they need a daddy to show them there f@*king up in school.get them daddy whip em wit the belt.ooooooh it stings.

[FreedomReign]

C average company? They're the #1 third party dev in the world. Get your facts straight.

[CourtesyFlush]

(1) own a PS3... buy it and enjoy a good football game; or

(2) own a 360... buy it and enjoy a good foodball game; or

(3) own both systems, pick up the 360 version and enjoy a good football game.

I remember when 30fps was the gold standard. And isn't 120 already finding its way into some computer games? Sure, 60 is "better" than 30, but is it REALLY going to make THAT big a difference for owners of one system or another?

If you want to play football at full speed, go grab some friends, a football and go outside.

[cavvac]

nice one...

[X_GAMER_X]

The cell an BR..
You PPL Should quit being A fanboys.
Both systems are the same.
There is NO such a thing that PS3 is 2 time or 1,5 or 0,5 better then 360 like sony told you.
You really think that MS would release A system That is weaker 2 times then Sony's?

Both are the same.Mabye Ps3 has the BR but thats it.
2 disk is not a problem and never been.
With MS tools they can do much. Look at Mass effet if u ever wonder.

[FreedomReign]

What's important to note, is EA probably didn't port the game. Both the 360 and PS3 sku's went into development at the same time. If this is the end result. SCEA should be worried.

Some devs will always choose the development platform with the best tools. Right now that's 360 and XNA. Its cheaper to make, your game scores better, and it sells more. Especially when that platform outsells the competiting platform, 2 to 1 in the only market which buys the game.

Live, Fifa, and NHL will all suffer the same fate. Its not just EA, Stranglehold, GTAIV these are not ported games. Its not lazy devs, its the platform and its expensive cobbled tools which render the PS3 environment unfriendly to even the biggest developers.

[MK_Red]

Superb post. Bubbles for you.

Good point on PS3/360 owners and more importantly the framerate. I believe that aside from fast paced FPS games like Quake 3, a 60 FPS isn't too big (Good but not great).

[ion666]

i'm just saying ea games suck now.i'm not stating there financial endeavors.i havent bought a ea game since since since...........

[Funky Town_TX]

If the 360 ran at 30 and the PS3 version ran at 60 it would be different. The story would be that the 360 sux. Why is it that way? Another day of fangirl attacks.

[NoiseBringer]

This game is perfect example of making money, and its a port from 360 to ps3.... it doesent mean which console is better, i doubt that ps3 cant run this game in 60 fps... the thing is that its easyer to make games on 360( that is a fact) than ps3.... so if anybody think that this is a proof of ps3-s inferiority to 360 he is a NOOB (Worst kind of noob)....
Its not fault of 360 or ps3... its EA-s fault....
BTW: PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER RULES!!!!!!!!

[The Wood]

PES is king of all things football.

[genericname]

after watching the game play videos i can't tell a difference unless slowed down to 25%. people are making a big deal out of nothing to push their agendas.

[rhood022]

The 1up review is a joke. I hate Madden, but justifying your score with a comparison video that shows "stutter" at the game running at 50% speed and less is just sad. Other things:

Using a stock review, only mentioning the PS3 differences in a box at the bottom = bad journalism, lack of integrity. Here's a hint, review both and write two different reviews.

This leads me to believe that they didn't even play the PS version, instead they just played the 360 version and bought into the hype around the whole "60fps/30fps" debate fanboys have. With that in mind they said, "hey, it's the same on both..oh wait, the PS3 version only runs at 30fps. Let's mark it down for that in spite of the fact that no one will EVER play the game at 50% speed or less."

Pathetic.

[Makidian]

I think the real point here should be that Madden on the PS3 running at 30fps only scored a half-point lower than the 360 version running at 60fps. Maybe the game doesn't have to be at 60fps on the PS3 for it to look and play good but it had to be on the 360 otherwise it would have been total crap

[MikeGdaGod]

i can't wait for it to officially come out so i can compare what i already have with the ps3 version.

[Bathyj]

Didn't we know this months ago.

And as usual, its not enough for Xbox owners to just be happy they have 60fps, they have to give PS3 owners sh*t for having 30fps. Your such FKN children.

Is it worth pointing out to you that it took 2 years to get Madden running at that speed on Xbox, so it will probably take EA 2 years to do it on PS3.

And Phil was right, with out being nasty about it he said, well our sports game runs at 60fps in 1080p so what can I say about that. Its a nice way of saying EA needs to lift their game.

I haven't believed this PS3 is to hard crap since Little Big Planet was revealed. How many guys on that team? Less than a dozen or something. Showing the whole industry how to put a little love into your work. Devs are supposed to be artist. EA are more like dodgy contractors, doing just enough to get the job done and then moving on.

Now its awesome that XB has got the best version of Madden, and if I gave a crap about it, that would be the version I get, but can we just leave it at that? There's people going nuts in here over half a points difference for christsake. If you only played one version of the game, either would probably play well enough and you wouldn't care anyway.

[Keyser]

Most of the people on this site and sites like this will be the only people who know that the there is a difference in framerates. Most casual gamers care more about what controller they're playing it on than the framerate.

It stinks that EA didn't take the time to get it up to 60fps but what are you gonna do? If you have both systems get it on the 360 like me. If you have a just a PS3 pick it up and you'll never know the difference.

[Bathyj]

Amen

[mccomber]

100% the truth.

[drewlusk]

You tell me which system is more advanced. Which system is the best over all buy? What can the PS3 do that the 360 can't? Name more than one thing besides Blu-Ray? Who cares about Blu-Ray? Movie downloads are the way of the future not physical discs so Blu-Ray is not anything revolutionary.

Can any of the stupid Sony Fangirls tell me why I should buy a PS3 over a 360. Please make your point. My 360 does these totally awesome things below. Please sell me on your PS3.

1. Can it stream Music from my PC?

2. Can it stream video from my PC?

3. Can it stream pictures from my PC?

4. I have a 4TB server at home that I have over 400 movies loaded on. Can I access windows Media Center through the PS3 and browse my whole collection and watch them at a click of a button like I can on my 360?

5. I own 3 360's one on every HD TV in my house My PC is my HD DVR and I record all my digital cable on to the PC and them use my 360's as my cable box on my tvs? Can the PS3 do this?

6. Which system has more and better games?

7. Which systems gives me Unified Acheivements?

8. Which system has the best online experience available?

9. Which system is less expensive?

These are just a few things. PS3 fans please sell me on why I should choose the PS3 over the 360. My guess is that you can't. You will all be as quiet as the cash register at the Sony Store.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

I guess they think bluetooth, or wifi is worth it.

I doubt they even use it IMO. Except bluetooth for chatting, but M$ has them topped, since I can chat with friends playing an entirely different game.

I love my Xbox360.

[BoneMagnus]

Can I come over and play? sounds like you have a SWEET setup!

[genericname]

yeah, I stream movies from my PC to PS3 and they are upscaled to 1080p. Prolly will eventually set up a separate server to put them on as well. Filled up a 350gb HD in no time.

[harpua]

yes, the PS3 can stream music/vid/pics. As far as price, add in your XBL cost and wifi adapter and you paid more than a PS3.

[wolfgang]

Wow you have a great setup, pcs, servers, 3 360, HDTVs. Where exactly do you live ? and when do you usually leave the house ?

[TrillHeat954]

umm you can do all of that media related stuff and yes even stream content from MICROSOFT windows media player to a SONY playstation 3. Go head browse your 4tb server with the ps3. Yes the 360 has better games right now...but its also been out for 2 years.

[Kyur4ThePain]

"You tell me which system is more advanced. "
That's a stupid question. More advanced in what role?

"Which system is the best over all buy?"
Again, a stupid question. Only you can answer that question.

"What can the PS3 do that the 360 can't? Name more than one thing besides Blu-Ray?"
Google it yourself.

"Who cares about Blu-Ray?
I do.

"Movie downloads are the way of the future not physical discs so Blu-Ray is not anything revolutionary."
Let me know how movie downloads work out for you.

Can any of the stupid Sony Fangirls tell me why I should buy a PS3 over a 360. Please make your point. My 360 does these totally awesome things below. Please sell me on your PS3.

1. Can it stream Music from my PC?
YES

2. Can it stream video from my PC?
YES

3. Can it stream pictures from my PC?
YES

4. I have a 4TB server at home that I have over 400 movies loaded on. Can I access windows Media Center through the PS3 and browse my whole collection and watch them at a click of a button like I can on my 360?
Using TVersity, YES.

5. I own 3 360's one on every HD TV in my house My PC is my HD DVR and I record all my digital cable on to the PC and them use my 360's as my cable box on my tvs? Can the PS3 do this?
YES. I do exactly that currently.

6. Which system has more and better games?
Another stupid question.

7. Which systems gives me Unified Acheivements?
Yet another.

8. Which system has the best online experience available?
Depends what you want.

9. Which system is less expensive?
Are you saying the Wii is better than the 360 now?

[darkequitus]

tream media your PS3 (asI do) but it supports far fewer formats

[MarioFromTexas]

before you ask stupid questions like that...
PS3 free multiplayer with server support(blows away live)
I use my bluetooth cellphone headset(360 charges $60)
wireless system link
HDMI in every SKU i don't have to upgrade my console.
Upgradeable HDD(not a ripoff like the ms120gb)
card reader, keyboard and mouse support in games
true 1080p (not just upscale)..
HD audio
blu ray(since I have a 1080p HDTV
User created content
No M$ points
better hardware
you can stream just like the 360 or you can use the ps3 as a server(you can't do that on the 360)
And the most important thing is games that I really want to play and I can't find them anywhere else besides PS3,unlike the 360 which all of it's games appear on PC and are mostly FPS.

[The Wood]

it seems everybody else has answered your silly question. ill add that i dont need windows media center to stream neither just windows. The price of the ps3 is fixed yours increases every year unless your a silver member which judging by your stance on online seems like gold membership is a must. This only matters if your looking to keep your 360 for more than 4 years or maybe you'll get the elite next year and the ultra the year after because you just luurrrrrv options.

Each to their own anyway

*where do you live again*

[Fighter]

Bubbles for you. Good counters, Kimi, I mean Kyur4ThePain

[chasegamez]

Kyur4ThePain good sh!t
he mad because his nextgen console
is refurbished

[cmrbe]

PS3 has about 0.1% chance of dying on you unlike the X360 is is about 30% is 1 reason. 2. PS3 will have exclusive games that i am sure you want to play that wont be on x360. 3. PS3 is future proof meaning you don't have to upgrade your hardware unlike x360 until the next gen of course. And FYI, Blue ray is a big deal for the rest of the countries in the world that don't have the advance internet infestructure that develop countries generally have. It will be a long time before the rest of the world would be able to do live streaming etc so dics is and will be revelent for quite a long time. So with the hating. No one is holding a gun to your head to buy a ps3

[mcgrawgamer]

this adds more and more speculation that MS and EA are in each others pocket. Think back to a year ago with all the Fight Night Rd 3 comparisons. The 360 version was more detailed and ran smoother while the PS3 version was only given the alternate play mode. EA is not about making games anymore, they are about making money and losing less of it. The way they do that. Make a game on the 360 which is easier to dev for and spend less time and money on the ps3 version. Time is money, and it's sad but EA being the power house they are know that more time on a ps3 version means more money invested into the game. so they offset cost by making the 360 version which is a little cheaper and they use what I like to call the duct tape and rubber method on the ps3 version. It's quite unfortunate that ps3 owners are shafted cuz a game company wants to save a few bucks. We need more devs like kojima, team ninja, jaffe, peter moleynux. people who care about getting their work out to people....quality work.

[PS3Rebel]

what do u expect hahahha

its funny how u ppl run at the moment to trash the PS3 on ported games when we all full are aware that its easier to wrk with the fixme60 then the PS3.

in time the PS3 will be the platform 2 dev on and will get the true performance it should be getting rite now

[Maddens Raiders]

this makes things easy for me. I'm not buying it, there's plenty of other "quality" coming - why should I settle for EA's PS3 refuse? Simple, I won't. =)

[sheng long]

the average american won't care whether the game runs at 60fps or 30, they just want to play it.

*edit* you're also a well informed gamer, for someone who's looking at both games side by side, and doesn't know about frame rates and just wants to play, it will make ZERO difference whether it's 60 or 30.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

I'm an average American student. I care.

Were not all idiots you know. I love smoother gameplay.

[THAMMER1]

Almost every game last gen was ported from the PS2 to the XBOX #1. They all turned out better. You people need to face reality. Stop using lame excuses. Stop blaming developers. Stop acting like the PS3 is some thing a time traveler would use. Just Quit, Please!!!

Madden Football rules!!!

[The Wood]

Pro evo soccer was better on the ps2 than it was on the 360 so I wouldn't use that logic as a rule of thumb. EA dont normally miss deadlines. (i hear their very anal with deadlines) and because of this they allow games to come out that are not as polished as they should be because of restraints.

The ps3 is harder to develop for so its a reason not an excuse. Things will get better and devs who dont have the physical time or dont wanna put in the effort to work with hard tools will find the improved tools easier to work with, thats a given.

Its all good now anyway because bar a few posters(respect to them), humility is nowhere to be seen and those same peeps wonder why they get shat on when some of the 360's shortcomings are exposed. You would think the difference is 5.0 not 0.5 from some posts. More rope for some I suppose.... and yes i know it goes both ways.

[THAMMER1]

This is why that is.., and that is why this is... BLA BLA BLA

Get a grip right now. This moment.

The PS3 is supost to be more powerful, so why does it not show? The Delopers nevr skimped on the XBOX because of the PS2. You guys are in total denile here. I'm not telling you to hate PS3. I do not hate it myself. But please stop the lame excuses.

All the suff about developers not putting a real effort or being lazy is stupid. The developers are not telling you that them self. It is what it is. The PS3 best feature is Blu Ray when the best features shold be Dev. tools and services. The games are not stacking up to the 360 yet.

That is the problem. The PS3 does not stand up for its self so you do the PS3's job for it. SPG or SDF

[The Wood]

seems like i touched a nerve. We will see about excuses and doublespeak. We all know its harder to develop for the ps3. If you understand this and tie it to the fact that others can produce the goods it just seems like ea and a couple others aren't there yet (same level as 360). Things dont always stay hard (ie ps1 and ps2). Anyhow i see that your level headedness has been corrupted by sony fanboys which is understandable. Ill remind you that next time the next negative 360 article comes up and everything is switched. peace

[NoiseBringer]

Its about what do you wanna play, i grew up on a PS so why buy 360??? IS THERE ANY REASON TO BUY??? i simply cant aford two consoles and i would like te play MGS4, GT5, GOW3, KILLZONE2, HEAVENLY SWORD, LITTLE BIG PLANET, WARHAWK... and there is 33% posibility that xbox 360 will die after some time.....
And its really mature to put PS3 beside PC... MORON LIKE ITS NAME CALLED ITS A FUC.. CONSOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DJ]

It's EA.

[THAMMER1]

I'm sick of that lame cop out too. Pretty soon there will be no developers who are worthy enough to make a PS3 game. SHUT UP!!!!

[darx]

So then why am I spending $599.00?

[Agent VX]

Why is this news? We all know that PS3 multiplats are always worse than 360 titles.

Just more salt in the wounds to sony fanboys. THough I think they are quite used to all the bad news already, inferior game titles, poor sales, last in hardware sales, no rumble, stuttering game performance, etc...................

[harpua]

awwww, someone is a little insecure about their 3fixme.

[MarioFromTexas]

PSP, PS2, PS3....I hope you dont' actually think Sony is going away. Even if the PS3 was less inferior I would still buy it, because it has all the game I want to play..plain and simple..if it wasn't for gears I would of sold my elite, but I have friends that I still play with..

[sajj316]

- 2 years refining an engine built on top of 360 hardware
- tools for PS3 SDK delivered late on top of an already complicated hardware
- Madden 07 ran at 30 fps. Framerate was NOT the issue then. It was more gameplay.

Now, I don't mind the 30 fps. I actually prefer playing the game on the PS3 controller. The issue I will have is if stutters during gameplay. I don't care if it stutters during cut scenes. As long as it doesn't stutter when I trying to break for 20 yards with LT and I got a LB on my tail with a CB looking to take my head off.

Does anyone know if it plays 30 fps at 1080P? I could understand if it does at this resolution. Whatever it is, it NEEDS to be locked at that rate.

[TheMART]

"heroman711
@ the mart

IM COMING TO KILL YOU. BETTER KEEP ONE EYE OPEN TONIGHT"

Hah someone obviously can't deal with the reality.

You're welcome. Come over. I like to eat Bottleneck 3 fanboys for dinner

@ DJ

"DJ - 19 Minutes ago
41 - What do you expect?
It's EA."

So if its not EA, or a portstory...
What are you going to make up next DJ???

The colour underpants you're wearing today? If good old Barbie Ken has a period? If the g@y music you're making isn't selling?

Does the denial never stop with you Delaystation 3 fanboys?

@ the kid below

You can suck Kaz's donkey balls

[heroman711]

how am i the fanboy, you are the one going to all the ps3 articles saying they " the ps3 sucks". why cant you admit that maybe just maybe lair will be good and so will the games coming out this fall. no one said you had to play them.
Yet again im telling you its not your hatred for the ps3 thats makes me hate its just you and your fu(king attitude u prick. Now whats your address so I dont get lost when i come to rip your esophagus out. I think i will be doing everyone a favor

[xg-ei8ht]

I'm coming to the conclusion that none of you know anything about pc's, ps3, or xbox360.

Some of the comments crack me up so much, my stomach hurts.

Things that i do know for a fact!

(1)1up was correct to give it a lower score, Shoddy work deserves a lower score.

(2)Processor wise PS3 is x2 more powerful then 360, this is just a fact, get used to it.

(3)Cell is harder to program for. But look at what you get. Just as ps2's god of war. That game would not have been possible at the beginning of ps2's life.

(4)Sony creates systems that get better and better over time. aka ps1,ps2,ps3.

(5)Graphics on xbox360 will not get anybetter, but will serverly have to be optimised. Gears of War uses 3cores, and everybit of graphical muscle the system has and has slowdown.,Yes i have spoken to epic about this.

(6)Multiplatform games atm will run better on 360,they know every inch of it. Read above answer.

(7)The case about lair, you reckon you've spoken to the devs, then you would know, it runs 720p-30fps, 1080p-30fps. The reason is simple. The power taken up is not from rsx, but from the cell. And i also know lair uses 50% of cell. If you know what goes on in lair using cell, you would know why.

(8)And you guys trust E.A. HA hahahahahhahahahahhahahahaa. Think i'm going to piss myself. Potty!!!!

[LiquifiedArt]

I agree with this paragraph of sorts. And I dont understand why peopel cant comprehend this. Its proven for 2 generations of consoles that sony makes there systems with parallelization in Mind, this causes a large growth in the system over years. (So that it can keep up with the everly increased pace of graphics)

Its obvious M$ isn't in this for the long haul. They will release a new xbox yrs before the PS4. And peopel will eat it up. You should all be thanking Sony for a near 10yr life cycle. This is UNHEARD of in the graphics industry. But Sony manages to put every bit of worth into there product for well over a Decade(5yrs).

Keep supporting M$ and your supporting: Short Life Cyles, Less Bang for Buck, More Add-Ons, More Fees, More Microsoft suggested things (I.E. Vista and XP). They will continue to force the user to do what they feel is right.

im' done whatever. you kids really dont see the bigger problem at hand.

[Anything but Cute]

only 30% of XBOX 360 owners know about it's HD capabilities. While we're all making a fuss about framerates, and a slow motion video. The average consumer won't give a crap about this.

[Double-Edged]

both systems are HD.

and 30fps/PS3.....60fps/360....

just eat it. is it too hard for you???

aawwwwwww....why dont you watch bluray or something... make your PS3 useful..

[Anything but Cute]

study shows that most people are playing next gen consoles on standard TV's. Yet we're making a fuss about frame rates like it's gonna make a big difference.

[MarioFromTexas]

I guess everyone has double standards

[Double-Edged]

it's getting Pwned.

enjoy your 30fps.

I laugh at you stupid PS3 owners. cuz all you do is Wait & Whine.

enjoy your mixed reviews of your so called 'high' profile games..

[darkequitus]

please engage brain, they are comparing identical games where the fps advantages is being reflected in the only way it can be.

PC/PSWii360 - true gamer and plaform agnostic

steam/psn/xbl : darkequitus

[Double-Edged]

FPS and HD are two different things.

Standard TV or HDTV.... 30fps looks ugly compared to a 60fps game.

reality check yourself.

[LiquifiedArt]

1UP giving 360 higher scores...?? Who woulda thought? (sarcasm)

[Double-Edged]

Multi-platform games are better on the 360.

every genre... including this one...

It really sucks when PS3 fans hate on a game that runs better on the 360.

PS3 sucks.... BR + Cell + Six Axis..... all a gimmick.

[LiquifiedArt]

cause u couldnt afford a PS3. lol. Most peopel bash it w/o ever sitting with it at a friends house and playing it. Good job for being one of those posers. lol.

Keep playing Your PC Games no your Microsoft Console. HILARIOUS!

[Double-Edged]

see when you assume... you make an ass out of u n me

,,, dont do that.... My brother has a PS3... he doesnt even play it anymore... why?? cuz he got bored of motorstorm and RFOM. and he's also pissed because he spent big bucks on a unproven system.

the PS3 sucks... played it enough to stay with the 360.

I feel sorry for you, you havent played the 360... because i dont know how you can love the PS3 more than the 360... unless ofcourse... your loyal to sony....

so shut your trap... you PS3 sucks balls.

listen rich boy.... why dont you buy a 360 and save yourself from waiting...... waiting for empty promises...

[MetalProxy]

Wow dude you need to shut up. Your acting pretty stupid. Its to bad M$ is to dependent on 3rd party games, we will see how long your intertained. Stay with your 360 cuz I dont want to see you on the PSN at all.

[heroman711]

we will wait for our games while you gusy can wait for microsoft to fix your 360s that will probably break down on you a 2nd and possibly a 3rd time

[medziarz]

i bet that the PS3 port doesn't even use a single SPU and everything is done on that main two-thread core and 360 has three of those cores with one thread locked out :P
i think the ps3 port uses the single main core while the x360 version uses two and they ale both PowerPC based 3,2 GHz cores, probably very similar
so there we have it: 30/60 fps :P

[sleepbox]

queue Soda Popinski's laugh from Punch Out! @ PS3 fanboys

[MetalProxy]

Sonys NBA game runs at 1080p and 60fps why cant EA do it? Umm cuz they suck at programing.

[THAMMER1]

Sonys NBA games suck in 1080p @ 60fps. That is why every one buys EA and 2K. Get a clue.

[doublertist]

dont hate on sony cuz we have it in 1080p, but to keep it real the only good basketball franchise is the 2k series on any platform

[MetalProxy]

here is your clue from me..sports games SUCK. Go outside and play the sport. Thats what everyone else does.

[THAMMER1]

IGN Ratings for NBA '07 (PS3)
Rating Description
out of 10 click here for ratings guide

7.5 Presentation
The blade system for the menus is clean and easy to navigate, albeit somewhat generic. Load times are very minimal, which is great.

8.0 Graphics
Character models and cloth physics have definitely been improved from the current gen game. I just wish that the sweat system didn't make them look like plastic Army athletes.

6.5 Sound
Practically the same soundtrack as the current gen game, and still no commentary.

7.5 Gameplay
Many of the gameplay issues, like poor defense, have been addressed. Shot timing is improved, but some new bugs and AI issues have crept in.

8.0 Lasting Appeal
NBA Replay is perhaps one of the greatest sports ideas to come along in a while, but the lack of unlockables or bonuses other than bragging rights hinders the concept somewhat.

Good OVERALL
(7.8 out of 10 / not an average)

IGN Ratings for NBA 2K7 (PS3)
Rating Description
out of 10 click here for ratings guide

8.5 Presentation
Extremely deep game options and slick TV presentation is still hindered by a poor menu layout.

8.5 Graphics
Some visuals, like stadiums and character models have been improved. Some players still look hideous though.

8.0 Sound
The soundtrack and commentary are basically the same as it was from other versions of NBA 2K7.

8.5 Gameplay
SIXAXIS controller functionality places much more emphasis on shot timing, which will definitely help with the shot stick. Overall, it improves your game.

9.0 Lasting Appeal
2K7 is just as deep as you want it to be on the PS3, with tons of options and modes that you can adjust and play to your heart's content. You'll be playing this one for a while.

Great OVERALL
(8.5 out of 10 / not an average)

No current version of live.

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[heroman711]

i couldnt care less for this game. Ill just play madden nfl 07 for my computer

[batman2million]

In the end, its about business right? It's all about how much money they gonna make right?

and don't xbox 360 games sell a lot better than ps3 games do?

hmm let me double check..

http://vgchartz.com/aweekly...

..yeah the 1st ps3 game on the chart is number 16..and the 360 version of the same game is 10 places above it and almost 400k more copies ahead of it.

The numbers say it all...

[doublertist]

that the games that have come out multiplatform were all designed on xbox's system and for their software and then altered to be played on ps3, not taking advantage of all of the capabilities of the ps3...
so in time it wont be that way anymore since publishers will most likely design games for ps3 and then bring them to the xbox afterwards in the coming months

[Saint Sony]

PS3 tries to be good console, but it seems to fail with everything.

[doublertist]

no proof no care....

reference 56

[good2face]

360 had barely any games on it that warranted a console purchase at 8 months. It wasn't until 1 year that 360 starting getting some games (mainly Gears) that were really good. Give PS3 time. By Jan 08, if they haven't gotten some awesome titles, then you can say they're failing.

Once developers get up to par on PS3, then you'll see better games and better multiplatform games like Madden running at the same frame rate.

[doublertist]

the reason why 360 gets 60fps is because madden 08 was designed for that platform then just altered to be played on ps3, but since the programming is different on ps3, EA got lazy and didnt try and recode anything. i blame EA for not trying to put in the effort to satisfy their customers, they know they will sell the game on all platforms no matter what so they cut corners to save time and money and put out an inferior product this year...
*shame on you EA*

[doublertist]

phantom disagree....state your claim!

[MANTIIS]

That's why EA sux ballz! Most. Hated. Game Company. Ever.

[Bathyj]

I bet all you Xbots wont be bringing up framerates when PGR4 comes out

[toughNAME]

1. PGR has nothing to do with anything in this article
2. PGR is not a multiplatform game

...whats this kid talking about?

anyways....

this was expected...most multiplt. are better on 360

[Fighter]

EA Sports must give an official explanation as to why the game on the 360 has 30fps more than the PS3. We all presume that they developed it on the 360 and ported it to the PS3 based on how it looks. EA gave 360 the better deal and those extra fps do matter to me.

EA is developing the next Burnout for the PS3 first and then porting it to the 360. Let's see if the frame rate issue still favors the 360. I hope, for the sake of gaming, that it is somewhat equal but if we PS3 owners get screwed again then I will boycott EA till get get off their lazy asses and start putting some effort into making their games enjoyable to all. Burnout needs more than 30fps because the gameplay is quite fast and they upgraded the graphics for next gen so it will look good on our HDTVs. I hope they don't screw it for us all.

[Bathyj]

Luckily for us EA aren't developing Burnout, only publishing it. Criterion the games creator as well as the creator of renderware, still have the dev dutys thank god. They've always had a preference for PS hardware, and that why they are leading with PS3. This game should be good since EA dont actually have enough to do with it to stuff it up like they continualy do with their own declining Need for Speed Series.

[gaffyh]

i cant see much difference really, i saw the comparison video

[rowdy 1]

There are other games on PS3 that run a 60fps. It's not like the ps3 can't do it. Ea chooses not to do it. I really don't know what Sony can do about it other than eat crow. Further more being a pS3 owner, I have to ask myself what's up with EA?

[Bathyj]

Maybe that last question should be put to EA's new boss of sport titles. If the games not up to scratch, shouldn't he be doing something about it?

Boy, if I was a conspiracy theorist I'd think there was something going on there.

[45thlama]

Lookz like xbox iz ztill kickin dat azz ps3 yum this victory tastes really good

[Relientk77]

who cares about stupid football games... when theres games like Bioshock, Halo 3, Lair, Ratchet and Clank, Metal Gear Solid 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Heavenly Sword, Mass Effect, etc

[good2face]

quite a few people. Madden is one of if not the best selling, longest lasting game franchises in all of video history. So it's kind of a big deal when the PS3 version is somewhat gimped. It would have been nice if both versions were equally smooth, although most people will not care about the frame rate and buy it for whatever platform they have. Either way, it is a big deal b/c Madden will sell like crazy as usual every year.

[airforcex]

At some point you must admit that MS was right in releasing their system when they said they would. 8 out of 10 games look better on the 360. The fact that developers are "lazy" as some of you argue is not my problem; you paid $600 bucks. That's your problem. SONY's great advantage during the PS1 days was that it was easy to develop for. Saturn on the other hand sucked; it was very difficult to develop for it. Were developers lazy? NO. That was SEGA's problem.

[good2face]

was well known as being difficult to program for, but that didn't seem to hurt its sales too much. i agree it was smart of MS to get out early. They have better/more games at the moment. That will change.

[Bloodmask]

Why do PS3 fanboys dedicate their lives to defending PS3.

The only games that can be compared are multiplatform. They are 99% of the time better on 360.

Using common logic and net fanboy rhetoric....What does this tell you? Yes perhaps the 360 is the better games machine...

If a company has to work harder and longer on PS3 the majority of the time to achieve the same results that are easy to achieve on 360. The key words being "the same results" not better...take note.....What does that tell you?

The only people that praise the cell as a competent games processor are Sonys first and second parties.

Just because the cell is different doesn't make it better. You can do things in a variety of different ways and still achieve the same end result. Obviously "getting there" is more difficult on Sony's machine.

[the worst]

but warhawk once you play it
your hooked
that red rings is no good

[the worst]

cant see much difference
i have both console
ps3 madden 4 me
i cancel my xboxlive account already

[toughNAME]

very believable

[wildcat]

Good thing it's just a football game.

[fopums]

heres a PS3 fanboy excuse, striaght from a PS3 fanboy. dont care about madden.

and even when it is a multiplatform game im interested in the framerate drop dosent bother me, I dont know if somebody out there bought a PS3 for the darkness and went BUMMER it runs on the 360 a squinch smother? DANG!

No I got it for Playstations first party titles, I dont feel the need to list them Im sure you know what they are.

but hey awesome for you 360 guys...Im telling you if Halo 3 can really sell me on it then I'll get a 360, then maybe GEARS.....and lost oddesy....maybe BIOSHOCK I'll hold out for that one on PS3 :D

[atomdooze]

just admit it you cant can u. stuborn stupid, and blind witch is how u ended up with that piece of sh!t ps3 in th first place.

[IRONMAN457]

devolopers (some, especially EA) are getting lazy, its easy to program on 360, why, less memory problems, its just a straight PC, PS3 they claim is hard to program so they transfer the data to ps3 from 360, this just proves how inferior 360 technology is and will be (dont attack me). When people say, that game sucks on PS3 but is way better on 360, if MGS4 went to 360 thats the SH*T you would deal with. Its all fact baby!!!!!!!
- and bloodmask, wtf are you talking about, you xbots try to attack PS3 but you guys just make yourselves look stupid, you are on the PS3 section, so go back to crapbox360 and leave us to ponder on the glory of sony

[power of Green]

ATI guys and leading techies have said from the start 360 will outperform PS3 in 1080p at 60fps. They said it will out shine PS3 in many other areas taking different roads to achieve this. PS3's hype is the same the PS2 had.

[chasegamez]

ps3

[okcomputer]

Hmm, comparing the ps3 to the most successful console in history isn't really the best way to insult it pog.. you might want to rethink that strategy.

[Kyur4ThePain]

POG and "think" in the same sentence. That's funny.
:)

[MANTIIS]

shouldn't this guy change his name to Power of Red?

[PimpHandHappy]

EA has been half azz for the last 2 years and how can you think its the PS3 fault when they have made games that run at that speed. What this is is EA not putting in the work when they know it wont matter cuz there is nothing else out there. Its just another example of a game making giant not making the real effort it is going to take to make games next-gen!

That being said i will still play Johhny on my PS3 and still have a blast.

[hikikimori]

Wow, 173 comments, it is gay that the PS3 version only runs at 30fps, it's a good job that American Football, and Madden suck total BALLS.

[hyphymaniac]

okay this may be a stupid question but wouldnt ea want to make the best game they can for both systems? I mean if i were ea i would try to make the best game i possibly could for each console. And it makes more sense because since everybody on this site thinks ea i just making games for the money they would most likely realize by now that the better the game is the more money they would make am i right or am i missing something? so would that mean it is not ea's problem and more like a hardware problem or lack of developing tools on sony's part?

[okcomputer]

The easy answer is that they just don't care. They bought up the nfl license and know that no one can compete with them and they've got the market cornered on america's most popular sport so people will buy it in droves anyway, even if its just a minor upgrade from the previous year's version. They can afford to be lazy and do a half assed job because people will still line up to buy it year in and year out regaurdless.

[Douglasp]

The box has 3 full cores, at 3.2ghz and is a RISC cpu. There are no Risc cpus' in the windows gaming of Direct X. The programming of lesser memory, going from full instruction sets to Risc, downsizing textures to fit the box is not the same. On the PC dual cores don't even come close to 3.2ghz stock. Maybe the new Phenom (amd) or the new Intel Extremes of this year I think might come at over 3ghz and those are full instructions set. And we all know a Risc will beat a full one when its optimized for it. Why do you think your great PS2 at 300mhz can do so much even though it has a 300mhz cpu. I can already imagine a triple core 3.2ghz can do with it optimized, + a GPU that has instructions not even yet made on a PC world of games. You guys act like if the Xbox will die in like 2 years. I also am aware the power of the PS3 cause yes its a monster also. I myself welcome it also because it gives devs experience in a different world of programing, but the road to get to equevalant performance is a different task. It don't matter how you get there (money wise might) but as long as they get there we will see great games. In the end We all win.

As for who ever said about 10 year cycle, you are completely wrong. Once a person gets infatuated with performance and graphics, do you think a PS3 will produce same graphics as a Computer 10 years from now. Hell NO. Same as PS2 after 05 it was sucked compared to what was out there at the time. (mostly PC world of graphics). So for me Yes I wold welcome a console to live around 5-6 years. Especially today how technology changes every 2 years now. I can already imagine a hybrid PC\console format for around 2012. Who in there right mind would want to wait till 2017 to get a PS4, come on now.

[MANTIIS]

Good point, but actually 360 has 3 cores running at 3.4 GHz, and PS3 has 7 running at 3.2 GHz. Some say it has 8, but the 8th core is used for system configurations. I have yet to confirm the 8th core.

[Douglasp]

Box has 3 3.2ghz not 3.4ghz. Yes Cell itself has total of 9. 1 PPE core and 8 SPEs'. The SPEs' are not FULL PPE cores. Unlike the Xbox it has 3 PPE cores, and can hadle 6 threads. While the Cell has only 2 threads, (but of course help from SPEs'). Now out of the 8 SPEs' 1 is disable for redudancy. Leaves you with 7 actual working SPE's when you buy a PS3. Thus another SPE is used for the OS. Leave's total of 1 PPE and 6 SPEs' to work with for Video games. The rest is up in the air as to why they usually have better framerates on the box than the ps.

[Sphinx]

...how so few people realize the HD capabilities of the 360 and PS3, as if only HDTVs have framerates. If Madden 08 was 1080p on the 360, and only 720p on the PS3, that would be an isolated problem. However, this is framerates... SDTVs, EDTVs, and HDTVs are all affected and show the difference.

[RAM MAGNUMS]

Xbox is the HOW the WOW and its NOW! Ya know my console is a video game performer and it has mor tricks than a acrobatic magician. I play all the demos first i get all the games first I compete on a social network. You can take the play out of playstation but you cant take out the suck. Everything is better on xbox. that is the difference with madden and everything else in comparison to ps3. xbox is constantly evolving and sony is constantly suckin. ACHEIVEMENT UNLOCKED 20pts EXTREME AMERICAN

[ion666]

i call shenanigans.these companys are racist against asians.they have a deeprooted fear of us.the devs all got their degrees at devry stupid bastards

[RAM MAGNUMS]

DID you know the president of our game company is peter moor and has infiltrated ea and became their president. this is a fact. Did you know why dreamcast failed? answer: EA never gave them any games. Guess what happens to ps3 ports of ea games. PURE SUCK. XBOX 360 games Fun and thats just how it is. ACHEIVEMENT UNLOCKED 20pts. SONY FANBOY CRUSHER

[TheMART]

Damn many posts.

Just to make things short to read for anyone that hasn't been inhere yet:

360 rocks, PS3 sucks in multiplatform games. That's the shortest answer anyone can get!

[chasegamez]

that sh!t lag so bad

[COCK]

I THINK PETER MORE HAS SUMTHING 2 DO WITH THIS BUT Y PS3 OWNERS SHOULD BE ALLOW 2 PLAY MADDEN HOW IS SUPPOSE PLAY NOT SUM WATER DOWN VERSION I THINK MICROSOFT MADE A PLAN PETER MORE WILL GO 2 EA N GIVE THE PS3 SUCK PORTS

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

^^^^^ SEE ABOVE ^^^^^ 30-60 Whatever! Just play the damn game & enjoy it.

[MANTIIS]

An Xbot wrote this insignificant news in an attempt to make people believe that the 360 has some sort of superiority over PS3.

[SKullDugger]

just Madden every multiport game RB6,FEAR,CARBON,NCAA 08,COD3 and Madden 07 its not just one game and its not just one DEV. I see a pattern the 360 is a game console first where as the PS3 is a every thing console, I could be wrong but I think we will see the same pattern with COD4 NFS pro street etc. etc.

[MANTIIS]

1up? You mean the same idiots who gave APF 2K8 a 6.5? HAHAHa, who cares? I see confirmation what kind of goofballs those guys are every month when I get EGM (got to get Game Informer back). Anyway, could care less about Madden, and its "TOO Corporate," "license stealing," "scared," "afraid of competition cause we might get our behinds handed to us, " company-EA Sports and thier generic, diluted, "let's just add a new roster and a useless new feature every year" football offering, Madden. Could care less. 2K football is where its at. As far as this news implying 360 superiority over PS3? NEVER!

[SKullDugger]

U go out of your way to defend the PS3 and APF 2K8 which is a crappy game with fake teams and poor game play and graphics, its your choice but if U dont care then why did U respond. Look no reason to bash EA or the XBOX 360 I just think the PS3 is overhyped will see in a couple of years but for all the hype about processing power and the CELL it should be kicking the 360's butt Mr. Ken K. himself said the next gen does not start until the PS3 arrives and it will bring 4d graphics.

[kornbeaner]

I have a PS3 and I love football. Madden on the 360 runs at 60FPS, thats great. What it runs 30FPS on the PS3, what $60 for an inferior version of the same game, then you won't see my $60 dollars. There are many good games around the corner for the PS3 coming, C.o.D.4, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, I'll save my $60 and give it to a company that works hard to put the best possible product for the system I own. I have nothing personal against EA or any other company that takes the easy way out and puts out inferior product out for the system I own, but at the same time you take the easy way out and you won't be seeing my hard earned cash, SO F**k YOU!

[FirstknighT]

Well I guess your not buying COD4 since it WILL be better on the 360. It has already been clocked at a smoooth 60fps with tons of things going on. The ps3 just can't do that.

[kornbeaner]

I just happened to be employed at activision, and while I can't get into detail of what the story or features are, the one thing I can tell you and that I have seen first hand is both the PS3 and 360 version of the game runs at 60FPS. Now wipe your face cause you have S*it all over it from having it stuck up your ass for talking about something you know nothing about.

[MarioFromTexas]

before PS dominated again and again...it's true what they say History repeats itself

[s8anicslayer]

ea was to lazy to optimize the ps3's power no storey here

[Rattles]

were could you find a xbot???

POG....i actully started reading your posts but now man wat happed?
themart....no one knew were he went (this is the most iv seen u post in a long time)

it seems all it takes is one bad thing (game) and the come out full force.

but hey i learnt a new way to describe a game (thanks mart)

madden looks meh to me.

[IRONMAN457]

are u xbots retarded, well yes, but read my post, itll tell you everything, besides EA sucks donkey balls and everyone knows thats, and 30 fps, and 60fps doesnt matter, its not like itll be super slow, its not like timesplitters but so what
firstKnight you are an idiot, ps3 cant do 60fps, it could do 80 if it wanted to, look at the exclusives coming out, they all dominate ms's bs come on now, try yo do better than that

[ARog34]

I'm getting Madden for the PS3 no matter what. I haven't played one since 04, and I'll have no way of caring about framerates. This looks that the first good Madden that I have actually wanted in a while. All I can say is shut up and play, I just hope the online isn't affected by this... then I'd care...

[Shaka2K6]

Cant believe ea madden game devs are a bunch of noobs they cant even achive 60fps on the PS3, or maybe they just got paid from microsoft so they will get the ''better version'' just like GTA4.
either way i dont care for madden and the PS2,PS3 version will most likely sell the most besides this is 1up.com they always pull all this anti-Sony bs out of their asses.

[COCK]

I TRIED 2 BE NICE 2 RAISE MY BUBLES BUT NOW AM GOING BACK 2 THE BASICS WHO DA FU#K CARES ABOUT MADDEN WATS SO FUN ABOUT RUNING WITH A BALL N GETTING TAKLE BY BIG SWEATY MEN DAT SEEM 2 LIKE SLAPING UR ASS WEN U SCORE A BIG PLAY U WANT A FOOTBALL EXPERINCE GO PLAY THE LIMITED EDITION MADDEN ON THE NEO-GEO IS GREAT TRULY A NEXT GEN EXPERINCE

[Yosking]

Personally im not a big fan of sports games(especially from EA) never had much titles of them. But for EA to release a game at 30fps for the ps3 while all the other consoles get 60fps versions is very 360 biased. Yeah everyone knows they ported it from the 360 to the ps3 so they didnt waste money on improving for the ps3. For them to downgrade one of the most important features in a game, frame rate, is pathetic. This is ps3 discrimination lol WAT CUZ ITS BLACK!! lol

...but at the end of the day gamers dont care about frame rate difference but gameplay...would be funny if ps2 outsold other console releases for madden...we'll see

[Douglasp]

Towards the PS3. That means the PS3 is Malcolm X and the Xbox Elite is Colin Powell. (JK)

[Da Ghostdog]

Still going back and forward. Fact is it's 30fps on PS3, 60fps on 360. That's it!!! Bottom line, nuff said, end of story!!!! Only thing you little b1tches do everyday is cry about this and that!!! You rag on the 360, but the fact is the mofo has a strong lineup this holiday season and despite the fact of the hardware issues, it's still doing good in hardware sales. Let's not talk about the Wii is whooping the PS3 azz here (and creeping on the 360) here in the US.

Your b1tching and crying won't change nothing. Fact is the PS3 is 3rd between the 360 and the Wii. It pisses me off everytime I come here you all have to rag on the 360. But none of you mofo's will never say nothing about the Wii. Half of the rhetoric these BS articles the fools feed fangirls you run with.

"THIS SITE HAS GONE DOWN WITH IGNORANCE"!!!!!

I have a 360 & Wii. IMO, I have no need of buying a PS3. Why?!! Because I'm happy with the two consoles I have already. When the PS3 have more games available in their libary, then I'll get one.

Do you hearing me screaming unlimited fangirl bizz about my 360 & Wii?!!
-No

Do you hearing me downtalking the PS3?!!!
-No

You girls need to grow up.

[Deity01]

Chill man, mostly everybody here was saying that they just thought EA were cheap and lazy bastards. Fact is, the PS3 has more than enough processing power to handle 60 FPS, but EA somehow can't manage to do that. But I agree with you about all the crap talking about other systems that these people don't even have.

I'm really disappointed in EA's efforts overall at their studios lately, if they didn't have such a rigid fanbase and NFL rights to top it off, I think 2K would've crushed them because they put so much more effort into their games.

[Rattles]

that we should be complaining about framrates we should be complaining that it still looks like a fuken ps2 game!!!

[darkvenom]

EA ports = half assed games.

[SDS Overfiend]

Im playing Madden 08 right now and i don't see myself playing this on any other system not moving as smooth as its should.

I will not pay $59.99 for anything inferior than this. This game pulled out all the stops for the series. Gone are the shortcoming that troubled the 06 and 07 version cause of people not letting go of last gen system. Madden next-gen is here and in now way will the PS2 or Xbox 1 version have all of the features. The animations are top notch running in 60 frame per smoothly with no slow down.

Im sorry but for a Next-Gen system i don't wanna hear that it can't run at 60 frames for a so called Powerhouse of a monster.$600 dollar for what? Watching Talladega Nights?

[jules]

60>30
everybody knows the gpu in the 360 is a beast...it was known long ago the 360s gpu would be really powerful and efficent...from what i get its more advanced than the ps3s...the cell on the other hand is something else...good for a lot of things...games i really dont know...i just bought a ps3 and cant wait to fold some chairs....got motorstorm...played for about2 days(inbetween 360 and rb6vegas)... but i know both have their good & bad...but after getting the ps3 i know it will always be under the 360 in my book...i will most likely never watch a movie on it...surf the internet...install linux....i bought a game console...
oh sorry to get off topic but damn...but .5 difference is like hole half a point batman...madden has been track marks in the underwear since 98...i am just waiting for nfl2k5 bc patch for my 360...

[IPlayGames]

wasn't the late madden on 360 30fps??

so since it took them 3 years to figure out how to do it on 360 ps3 is garbage...lol.

ok it ill give it to 360 for this one...wutever have fun

ill still be playing on ps3 like to controls better but if the game play suck like it did last year them ill trade it in a get the ps2 ver. with all the audibles like madden should be.

I bet ps3 will be 60frames next year.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Burn BABY Burn!

[gamehendge]

poor little x-kiddies, so desperate and insecure about their console they jump on a crumb and declare it a five course meal. If they truly thought their system was better they wouldn't need to proclaim it on an anonymous message board. But they still try and convince themselves daily. Good luck with that...

[Deity01]

You are all dumbass bastards for claiming superiority on 30fps. And GPU has nothing to do with the frame rate, thats the CPU, and seeing how the PS3 has far more, it's EA's half-assing sh!t games that are the only ones not running BETTER on PS3. The PS3 also has the ability to render nearly a million more different shades of color than the 360's GPU, you are stupid.

[INehalemEXI]

Like I was actually gona play madden on 360 or ps3 anytime soon pfft. Way to many "More worthy" games to play out and coming soon.

People who get mad at sony for making consoles hard to develop for annoy me.

The devs need to learn to program for complicated chipsets anyway , future pcs and consoles cpu's will be more complicated then the ps3's is today.Its not gona get easier until they learn to utilize the power of all those spe's. Im sure EA will catch on eventually.

[Maddens Raiders]

the reason I will buy a 360. ummm...yeah...right.....

Have fun with all the players on the sidelines looking the exact same...doing the exact same thing....all at the same time....same for fans and "personnel" no wires, no nets, no refs on field, no cameraman cluster on sidelines..(at all) around the endzones...wtf? C'mon EA evolve!

This isn't a PS3 problem, or a 360 problem....

this is the kind of effort and garbage EA has decided to put out these days because they're out to make a buck. Guess what..?

I say let the 360 owners carry the heavy load and buy what they view as the ark of the covenant. EA won't see my money for this trash.

Bethesda earned it
Ubisoft earned it
Tecmo with NGS on PS3 earned it
Look what 2K did with the Darkness
and EA earned it on FNR3 imo....

EA to make an American product and alienate an entire usergroup - (virtually reverting all the way back to launch type problems is inexecusable) - because your so damn greedy is preposterous and quite frankly downright insulting. I won't buy your product - not this yhear at least. It's a small gesture, but hopefully others will do the same and give them what they're giving PS3 & 360 owners imo. Jack Shyt. This is warmed over doo-doo and if 60fps on field action is what you're hollering, then this is the version for you. Me, I want a little more in 2008 than a "spruce-up"...spritz , spritz -- others have done it, and EA you're no different.

Same old whor_, different dress. *Uh-uh..not this time.

[okcomputer]

You make some very good points, but at the same time, the reason people play madden and other sports games is for the gameplay on the field, not the details. For me ea needs to improve the online servers as priority #1, because it sucked horribly in 07. For me online play and playing vs friends is the only way to play madden, the computer ai has always sucked. If resistance can have 30 player deathmatches with no lag then theres no reason why I shouldn't be able to play madden 1v1 and not have it be a lagfest like '07 was.

The 30fps ps3 for me means one thing, that ea half assed it again, as they have for the last three years on next gen. Forget about the fans, and the refs and the nets behind the posts (all of which they should have addressed anyway). If they haven't fixed the online play I won't be buying this game for either my 360 or ps3 reguardless of the framerate.

[gogators]

with EA, I can't remember with FNR3; but their other games from NCAA to the NBA have been carried out poorly. It doesn't matter, because unless your playing a friend or a non-ranked match; the matches end up being a contest of glitcher's and cheeser's.

[Maddens Raiders]

and I play Madden and it's sad to say that actually playing a "non-glitch" game is a not too flattering testament to the game and EA. Couple that with lukewarm AI and it all becomes quite absurd.

I know there are people using this story just for flame fuel, but seriously this is almost like ignoring the fact that the World Trade Centers came down like akin to precision demolition. EA is pulling a farce and it's a magnificent illusion to the many untrained brains and eyes.

[Funky Town_TX]

Yet again Hardcore gamers speak. We hate EA, we hate madden, we hate the Wii. When the PS2 sold millions it was because it was good. When the Wii sold millions it was because it was cheap. When MAdden sales million it will be because? It is football. Madden is not perfect and no game is. Hardcore gamers can't judge Madden at all. We like our MGS, GOW, Halo's, GTA's, and UT3 but these all have something in common. These are 3 years dev cycle games. Sports games don't change alot. I have been playing sports games for about 20 years and they don't make big changes. All pro football was a joke. It was NFL 2k5(that was a good game for $20) with new GFX. They removed some many small things that the game was short. We say sales are important some times but not all the times. So who is to decide? When Madden 08 sells millions you guys will be so pissed. You will say blind sheep buy it. Why is it that when Halo, MGS, FF, GTA, GT, and DMC does it there is a logical reason? I have purchased lots of crappy games and Madden is no were close to the top of crappy games list. On the other hand, Madden is close to the top of my best games list.

[Maddens Raiders]

You're supposed to be from Texas...

Man you know that shyt doesn't fly buddy...

Yeah I LOVED MADDEN on Genesis, SNES, PS1, PS2 - HELL YEAH

And we all suffered those pupil bending graphics at the time because we didn't know any better and couldn't get it if we wanted it, short of shaving off an arm for a decent PC rig at the time. That was the late eighties to the late nineties in principal and it was all good then.

It's going to be 2008 and we're still dealing with those same problems on NEXT-Gen systems. How is it that 2K is able to make the game look so much more alive when you know they can do even more with what they've shown and it just makes EA look plain lethargic and apathetic in a way - as if they're saying, "no don't show us up anymore already.." That's what's so troubling. The fact that there is something better on the fringes, but it's just not quite the same and EA could hone their product into a raving mad Wildabeast of a title but they choose the decades long "piecemeal" approach. Well I've had it brother.

I'll watch all the NCAA games and the NFL on cable for what's "in the game" and see what these jerks at EA are willing to put out in '09 in the way of football. Or maybe I'll just stop playing Madden altogether - I'm not really sure yet. But I do know this:

EA = Crack pimp

[okcomputer]

To answer you question the mgs and ff series for me have always been worth the purchase because the devs push the limits of the system graphically and always come with new, fresh game ideas. Just one example of many with mgs3 is the sniper boss battle in the jungle. There was nothing like that ever in any game i've ever played.. and i've been a gamer since nes in the late 80's. The multiple stage boss battle with so many ways to play it was like a chess match that i've never seen before in a game vs computer ai. ff series is the same way, each time its a fresh new rpg with a brand new story and with ffxii it was a brand new fighting system that kicked ass. As for gta, gt and dmc, I'm not really into those games as much, but fans of those series would probably feel the same way I do about mgs and ff.. madden on the other hand is basic football, which doesn't change at all and all ea has to do is put in the time to get the fundamentals right, and they've done it before.. madden 06 for ps2 was a flawless football game imo, both online and off, but since they went next gen and bought the nfl license they've sucked and been totally half assed. I really think they need 2ksports as competition breathing down their necks again to be able to produce another great madden game. They're probably just scared that 2k sports will do the same thing they did with the nba and own madden the same way nba2k owns live.

[Funky Town_TX]

Don't get me wrong I like 2k sports. The problem with sports it that they all have not evolved. As hardware gets more complicated sports titles need more time. We should not be seeing a new game every year from any dev. NBA 2k8 was NBA 2k7. All 2k8 had was a few new controls and custom jump shots. At least EA made a new engine for Madden. 2K did not do that for all pro. Sports don't tell stories like other types of games do all they can do is add features and GFX. I know Madden 08 will be better than Madden 07. Like I said, I purchased All pro football and it was a broken game. I need football and I don't care who makes it. EA or 2K. If you make a football game I will try it. All pro was a joke so now I will try Madden. If there was about 7 football games on the market maybe it would be better but there is not. Screw the NFL licence. The first Madden did not have it and it was a success. Joe Montana sports talk did not have it either. What stopped 2K from making a football game with a team called Dallas, they would have a player named WR#81. We all know it's T.O. and that should be okay. After the first season the drafted players would have names. You can't even play other people in All pro football without them picking up a CPU drafted team. They should have made offline multi-gamer tag leagues with a fantasy draft. The game also had bugs in it. There were times were replays were over turned but the results stayed the same. 2K had 2 years to dev this game and it was trash. If Madden 08 is trash I will say it loud and proud. I have no loyalty to any game or system.

[zedane33]

just curious...

[SDS Overfiend]

Those who love Madden will be in for a real treat. 360 owners will get the best version yes but EA pulled out all the stops in regards to not cuttin back on next-gen version cause people are still playing last-gen versions. The Only way to play madden exactly as intended right now is on 360 im sorry fellas. Don't blame EA blame the tool they were giving.

@Madden's Raiden you are not the only one who follow madden up here lol! I seen the Sideline and yes they are ugly (Sh1t i have the game.)
But what goes on on-field is a sight to behold my man. You can really see those Hi-Res graphics with 60fps together creates oure bliss for any football fan. Stop hating people Its not like you can't buy a 360 to experience the best.

[PimpHandHappy]

sorry to tell ya

[segasage]

"Maddensraiders" to disown Madden 07 for PS3 or just this year's madden, and who knows maybe EA like all the other fanboys, then something is wrong here, and I got a feeling it's not MS and the Xbox 360.

Game on players, game on..

360 Madden Pwns this year, maybe Fanboys will go buy the PS2 version. It's cheaper. Save some money, for another Blu-ray movie.