The PS3 difference in 1UP's Madden 08 Review: 8.5 for PS3 Vs 9 for 360

From the The PS3 difference part of review near the end:
"Sadly, just like with NCAA Football 08 and All-Pro Football 2K8, PS3 owners are stuck with an inferior version of Madden. While the game runs at 60 frames per second on Microsoft's box, Madden only clocks in at 30fps on Sony's console. The result? The gameplay isn't nearly as smooth as the 360 version and even stutters at times."

[Douche]

1UP loves to stir up whatever's given to them. This was pretty predictable of them. I can see them playing the PS3 version saying, "Ok now, we've been playin' for 10 hours straight lookin' for a glitch, let's give it a break." "Ohh wait!...Shoe, did you see that frame-rate stutter at the 2 minute warning?! "I don't think I...OMG, fine, w/e, can we go play Calling All Cars now?"

[InMyOpinion]

Don't blame the site. It's not like they are making it up. The 360 version runs at 60 fps and the PS3 version at 30 fps. 60 fps is smoother than 30, their accusations are legit. In the end it's Sonys fault for not delivering proper SKU's (if it isn't a hardware issue).

You can bang your head all you want, it still won't change the fact that the 360 gets the better versions of multi platform games.

[Real Gambler]

But since EA has decided that they are pulling the plug on online servers for most of their 2006 games (one year old!), there's absolutely no way I'm buying any of their games. For the price we are paying today, I expect to be able to play online more than one year. It's even worst for xbox owners, because they do pay $50/year to get better online support, and yet they loose online play as well.
EA is in for the money, but I'm in it for the fun, and not being able to play online after one year is stupid.
So they made my decision easy not by cutting corners on this game, but by being greedy a while back and cutting online servers after one year for their games.

[Anything but Cute]

only 30% of XBOX 360 owners know about it's HD capabilities. While we're all making a fuss about framerates, and a slow motion video. The average consumer won't give a crap about this.

[jay3]

I'm with you on that one

[Sphinx]

You're right, the average consumer won't care about the frame rate differences because they will not be informed of the difference. However, we are not average consumers, and I do care.

[Maldread]

Yeah unfortunately you`re right Lorenzferus. Most people don`t notice or even care about fps- problems if it`s not pointed out for them. It`s almost like they don`t notice the identical sports-games that comes out every year too. How else do you think EA got so big ;)

Sphinx, i`m with you on that, it does matter to us gamers.

[Mu5afir]

People who are buying Madden won't care if it's 30 FPS or 60 FPS. Frankly your eyes will have a VERY HARD TIME, distinguish the difference between the two frame rates. As your eye is perfectly OK seeing in 23.976 FPS. How 1up noticed an "actual" difference boggles my mind.

Unless they saw a "frame drop" on the Ps3 version, they shouldn't have noticed an "over glaring" difference between the two versions. And it seems, they really didn't have anything negative to say about the game.

Since they gave it a 8.5, it seems a .5 points was dedicated to the 60 FPS that no one really cares about, and no one unless really looking hard will notice.

Oh, and I am amazed 1up didn't know that NCAA Football 08 is going to be 60 FPS on both platforms.

[JsonHenry]

Lol, why did I even buy my PS3?! I had the better console a year earlier!

[reaperxciv]

the SWEETSPOT for buying a ps3 is 2009

[cloud360]

hey why would it go lower fps on ps3. or was the game designed on a 360 engine

[MK_Red]

I thought the devs said that of all EA sports games, at least Madden would run at 60fps on PS3 but with this and the vidoe comparison that was posted 2-3 days ago...

[Omegasyde]

A Unknown EA person stated that. Not an official.

EA lost alot of Ps3 sales, this year I bet. I do hope they don't buy Ubisoft! OMFG games would be doomed to mediocracy and crappness, I can't play splintercell at 15 frames!

[monoknacker]

with simulataneous releases will probably look better on the 360 for a while because it's a well known fact that the system is easier to develop for and has better developer tools at the moment; however the Sony edge tools which they reveiled at GDC will hopefully go along way to rectifying this situation as it's about giving third-party developers the same tools as the first-parties are using. So in the furture games on the PS3 theoretically should play just as good, if not better then their 360 counter-parts.

[sjappie]

Or does this only apply to the ps3?

[spasticjustice]

I don't think that's what he was saying. He's just saying over time the ps3 may surpass the 360. He never said that was the only possiblity...

[Bordel_1900]

@ sjappie

No, it applies to x360 also.

Madden 2009 on x360 will be 90 fps and PS3 will be 60fps.

[MetalProxy]

90 fps? your eye cant notice anything more than 60 fps so give it up. Sonys NBA game runs at 1080p and 60fps why cant EA do it?

[Skizelli]

http://www.100fps.com/how_m...

[SimmoUK]

EA built it on 360, Ps3 is a totally different machine processor wise having the cell, most studios have said they will build on PS3 then port to 360 because it's easyer that way, EA obviously isn't concerned about the frame rate on PS3 you only have to look at other PS3 games to know there's nothing that PS3 isn't capable of, EA have always been concerned about money more than anything and that won't change now Peter Moore is there eather...

It's a shame for the Madden fans but at the end of the day if you haven't played the 360 version you wouldn't know any difference anyway...

[solidt12]

Yeah that is the only problem with the first batch of third party games. 360 to PS3 ports aren't that great from lazy studios. You gotta start on the PS3 then port to the 360 and alot of developers are doing the next batch of game that way. There are some exception like Oblivion, and Rainbow 6 Vegas. These games were ported over and they run great. Oblivion actually looks alot better on the PS3. So it is challenging but if it is done right will be even better on the PS3.

I am sure there will be alot of flame from the 360 xbots.

[sjappie]

Does the reason for it make it any less bad? It is what it is.
"Jeah, well, ps3 is just harder to develop for, but they'll get the hang of it"
Maybe Sony shouldn't have made the ps3 so hard to develop for, also, devs are getting more familiar with the 360 to, so I think 360 will always have the edge in multiplatform games.
I'm not saying this to flame, but I'm getting sick of people acting like the ps3 is so superior, while it's obvious it's not. I think some people need to give the 360 some credit, instead of coming up with excuses and saying; "You just wait and see". I live and game in the present.

If you disagree, then please make a comment to back it up.

[Sez]

how many dev said that. i only know the dev for lair said that. countless dev said that the ps3 is hard to develope for and cost them more. it noone fault but sony. for not listening to dev's when creating their system like MS did.

[SimmoUK]

PS3 is harder to develop for because of it's architecture it's multi core, which happens to be faster than 360's processor...

Ratchet and Clank, LAIR, Heavenly Sword, MGS4, Killzone 2 to name a few all look better graphically than madden...

[rareairtone]

I love my 360 and the xbox brand but the physical hardware in the ps3 is marginally stronger: the 360 is like 2 GeForce 6800s and the ps3 is slightly stronger than that. Now when that is a clearcut benefit over owning the 360 remains to be seen.

[supnub5]

Sega Rally Revo, and Burnout Paradise, is first made on ps3 and then ported to 360, a lot of devs admitted that.

[illizit]

I love the people that say 'the ps3 is only marginally stronger...'
Ok idiots, I'll explain it again, but please try to listen this time.

If you are looking at the graphics card only then yes, the ps3 is only marginally stronger than the 360 HOWEVER, the real power of the ps3 is with the CELL + RSX. Have you even seen what IBM has done with the CELL only? They were able to simulate a full city (in real time).
It's a fact of the technology world: The faster and better technology gets, the harder it is to program for. Back in the SNES days, it only took a few people to make games, now even for the 360 it takes hundreds to make an original game! It's costing almost as much to make movies, why you ask? Because it's HARDER to develop for!!! The ps3 is more difficult than the 360, it's not because Sony isn't providing the correct SDK tools but it's because it's architecture is more advanced, no one has seen it before, so of course it's going to be harder. Right now it wouldn't make sense for companies such as EA to develop for the PS3 first (waste money) and then port it to the 360. A lot of people are right when they say EA only cares about money.
The ps3 is more powerful, A LOT more, and the proof will come very soon (killzone, etc). Were just going to have to wait until the devs get more familiar with the ps3.

[ip-student]

The PS3 - from a GPU perspective - is weaker. It is silly to suggest otherwise. It theoretically has more power for certain operations (such as those suitable for physics) but it doesn't help much in gaming software. It is possible to overcome the weakness of the PS3 GPU by utilizing the cell but then you lose elsewhere. Basically, the PS3 architechture is a poor choice for a console - it will always be poor. Sony screwed up. Now Sony is hoping developers can overcome the screw-up and do something with the PS3. Some are having success but the real issue is not whether it is possible but rather whether it is cost effective. If it is not cost effective then the potential is worthless.

I am sure Sony will produce some nice games (there is lots of power if you could just use it) but I wonder how much money the 3rd parties are going to spend trying to get the PS3 to run like they want.

Both MS and Sony would probably have been better to push a more capable CPU with less theoretical power and easier development. Oh well, the good thing about this is perhaps someone will advance the state of the art of multi-thread programming and then everyone will be better off.

[felidae]

here comes TheMART!

[LSDARBY]

this is gonna have lik 200 comments

[achira]

this site is a joke ? yesterday MGS4 had over 31000 hype points, now it has 30800. who manipulates that ? what sense has this if the values get manipulated ? its a joke seriously. (the same was with killzone 2 it had over 31000 now under 30000). but halo3 is an exception, it gets 3000 from nowehere ??? this site is a joke. only nice if you want to read the newest rumours without sense.
i know its off topic, but can someone explain me why this 2 ps3 games lost some points ?

edit: lol, now kz2 has 25000 ?!? is this a joke ? why dont halo3 loose some thousands ?

P4KE: aha, thank you, thats what explains it a little bit. but it is strange that only the two ps3 titles lost the points, although there were news for killzone2 yesterday.

captain turtle: its a simple question, if you cant answer it than ignore the comment, thats easy.

[Captain Tuttle]

Chill out man, you're becoming obsessed. Don't you have some summer reading assignments to do or something?

And if the site is a joke, stop coming here. Trust me, we'll survive.

[P4KY B]

I think the more a game is in the news the more points it gets. A bit like column inches in a news paper.
But when its out of the news it gradually looses them.

Thats why Gears of War and Forza are no longer at the top of the list.

[InMyOpinion]

The only joke here is you, and it ain't that funny.

[darx]

1UP.com is biased towards the PS3.

[achira]

you mean against ?

[djt23]

the ps3 game is running 30fp. on every other console include the ds the game is running 60fp.
so that mean game is choke like hell or it is very slow
just think about it

[timmyp53]

bad port or not. =)

[alexander22rednaxela]

POWNED
SALT IN THE WOUND?

I have a PS3 my self and a 360 so I will overcome this, but this hurts doesen`t it?

[Silvanos]

It's a sports title it will be fine at 30.

[Maldread]

Honestly, if the situation is the same for PS3 next year as well, they`ve got a serious problem on their hands. I would expect anything less from EA, but it`s not only EA which is having a problem.

It`s good that Sony is trying to remedy the problem with the EDGE-tools and their collaboration with Epic on the UT-engine, but i think as the situation is now, it`s better to delay the games than to have them released at the same time with the 360 version, if the PS3 version is inferior. It`s obvious that developers are struggling with the PS3 and i hope more will start to make the PS3 version first and then port it to 360, instead of what we`re seeing now.

Sony`s first party games show that the machine is capable of running the games too, so i hope Sony will get even better to help the third party developers with their games too, because this can`t go on for much longer.

[DrRage77]

well, this makes you wonder harder as to why GTA4 got delayed....possibly because running it smoothly on the ps3 has been an issue and they want to work that out before releasing a game? obviously releasing a game that does not run well will impact not only what poeple think of the console, but also of the game developer.....

[Maldread]

Yeah you`re spot on. I don`t see the point of speculating on GTA4, even though you could be right on that too. Rockstar is a great delveloper, so maybe they just wanted to get the game right on both colsoles, because it didn`t meet their requirements. Who knows really, except Rockstar hehe ;)

[TheMART]

Thanks for the intro Idontcare

Yep TheMART is here. I think I should launch my own brand and t-shirts, don't you? I have about 60 trackers and about the same amount of ignores. Can anyone top that :P

Anyhow, although it seems a minor point, scoring 0.5 point lower on the PS3 version, this is a HUGE signal to the USA. Yep it is.

American Football is big in USA. Now Madden 08 will be sold, people that love the sports, want the game and a console to play it on. People that want the game and hear that the 360 version is better, while the hardware isn't as overexpensive as the PS3, or see the game running on demopods besides each other...

Will certainly pick the 360 version. Plus is moves 360 units.

"Sadly, just like with NCAA Football 08 and All-Pro Football 2K8, PS3 owners are stuck with an inferior version of Madden. While the game runs at 60 frames per second on Microsoft's box, Madden only clocks in at 30fps on Sony's console. The result? The gameplay isn't nearly as smooth as the 360 version and even stutters at times"

People aren't blind or stupid. I think I'll make some TheMART t-shirts also with the text: 'Madden 08 - 60fps for 360, 30fps for Bottleneck 3'

I think those will sell well with those millions 360 fans in USA haha

[sjappie]

lol.

[gunnerforlife]

wow u sure r full or you're self i don't know how u still have so many bubbles. and a game like madden could never move console on there masses, probably 10K more no more than that. i really hope the ps3 version sells like sh1t so EA can learn there lesson too not treat one console better than the other

[Raptors]

As long as I'm around theMart will always have bubbles lol This guy kills me with his commentary. But back to the article, how are people mad at 1up for just stating an obvious fact that the game runs smoother on the 360? I mean its unfortunate that the ps3 costs more yet in certain instances undelivers.

[TheMART]

@ Sjappie

I'll translate for those non Dutch :P

"Where can I order the t-shirts"

That option could be sooner announced then one thinks... I won't spoil anything but there will be something announced around Leipzig GC :P

@ lavdrim

"wow u sure r full or you're self"

No I'm not. I am just stating that people track/ignore me. Those are facts.

"and a game like madden could never move console on there masses, probably 10K more no more than that."

You're wrong. Millions of Americans are highly interested in American Football. And in the hype of it all there won't be only 10k buying a console. And even if it was. Every extra 360 sold is good.

"i really hope the ps3 version sells like sh1t so EA can learn there lesson too not treat one console better than the other"

Well we don't need EA to reach that goal. There are only 4 million PS3's out there and about 12 million 360's. Attach rate PS3 is about 3.5 (same as the Wii or so), the 360 has a 6.1 attach rate of games per unit.

Thus: the 360 makes the most money for game developers. Combine that with the better multiplatform versions and AAA games for these months like Bioshock and Halo 3. PS3 will go back to where it belongs. Nr.3 this gen

@ Bootsielon (below)

"Seriously though, people aren't gonna pay $400+ (or $560+) just for Madden. BRAND NAME does "to the USA", as in, to casuals. "

Uh. You forgot the pricedrop?

Premium is 349 Dollar now. Advice pricing of MS. Many shops will have better offers even. As the 360 already can be bought overhere for 349 Euro instead of 399 for a premium as the official price is.

Thus: 349 + game 50 dollar max. 400 total, while the PS3 would be 500 (if offer 60 GB is still in store) or even worse 600 dollar + 50 for a minor quality game compared to the 360, thus 550 or 650 dollar compared to 400 dollar.

Yep real sport fanatics will buy it. They spend a large amount of money on a ticket for a game. A grown up won't be shocked for 400 Dollar as you PS3 kiddies are. And people see Bioshock AAA and Halo 3 coming up. Also huge in USA.

[felidae]

you're welcome.

if i would like football games i would pick this one up for my 360 - no doubt about that.

but that doesn't mean that i have to bash all the ps3 users because it's not their fault neither it's Sony's.

the game will be nice for those who like no matter if it's on the 360 or the ps3. no one will sell his ps3 and buy a 360 because of 30 frames difference.

i like your comments, that's why i'm tracking you. i think you have some good points ... sometimes. and i think, the day you get a ps3, you'll see that some things you've said, are just plain dumb.

there's probably a lot of wrong english in this one. sorry.

[bootsielon]

"Anyhow, although it seems a minor point, scoring 0.5 point lower on the PS3 version, this is a HUGE signal to the USA."

LOL, HUGE? More like who cares? People have a life, and "the USA" couldn't care less.

Seriously though, people aren't gonna pay $400+ (or $560+) just for Madden. BRAND NAME does "to the USA", as in, to casuals.

"Yep it is. "

Why do you need to rephrase your original statement? We got it the first time, we're not like you. I guess you think it is fun to be annoying.

[snakeater3]

lol ....the mart ? ur dutch ? hehehe .....didnt know u were gay...that explains why you're always trying to fck sony in the ass and go down on m$'s dck !!

[Pika-pie]

Naaa, more like TheMart brand toilet paper. :P

Xbots win this round. The game runs better on the 360. IMO i dont think it matters unless you were actually going to buy the game. Let them have this one.

Just because this one game is better doesnt mean jack to me. EA could have made it identical/better if they worked at it, we all know PS3 is more difficult for development... Remember, PS3 is an investment in things to come (This is waiting!)

All other multiplats look identical PS3/360 apart from Oblivion which is way better on PS3.

[Primetimebt]

Seriously can you told me which verison has sold more in the past 10 years? Even if the 360 sells more than the PS3 and it still doesn't sale more than the Sony Brand (PS2 & PS3). The fact is if a person has been playing the the game on the the PS2 for years they don't want take the jump to XBOX verison and try to learn the new controls. Now when is an internet gaming site review gonna help boost more people to the XBOX is total bs. Outside the hardcore gaming community nobody reads reviews and this game could easy help the PS3 with it's shi!!y verison sale more console to those PS2 owner looking to upgrade.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

He's ignored by about 100 users. Lol.

[heroman711]

U ARE DEAD TO ME BASTARDO

[poet215]

Yo dog, what's wrong with you? Are you on the payroll or something? Why are you so madly obsessed, & anticipating the PS3's failure. Did you have a bad experience with Sony? Does Microsoft pay you for you're devoted promotion? Son, you really act as if this whole fanboy.....mines is better than yours stuff, is really that serious. You seem as if the PS3/360 argument is as deep as who goes to heaven or hell for that matter. You like 360 fine, you're still entitled to your opinions though. But at this point, those opinions are past obnoxtious.....get a f*cking life already! For your sake I seriously hope that you're under 21 & don't have a girlfriend yet. Maybe that could help support your behaviour.

[RadientFlux]

meh most people won't notice a difference but I am sure over the next few weeks fanboys from both sides will be staring at pixels to prove their version of the game is better.

[alexander22rednaxela]

Does anyone think Peter MOore had something to do with PS3 versions of EA sports games being inferior?