NowGamer: EA's recently announced create-em-up Create will snub Kinect support and use Move instead. The same thing happened recently with R.U.S.E developer Eugen Systems, who spoke to NowGamer to explain why Move is 'more efficient' than Kinect.
uh oh... cant wait for the spins....
Spinners and Trollers incoming!
uh oh... sadly Create looks like a really really poor cousin of LBP. it looks really really sad! and i think it is safe to say that Sony knew the limitations of Camera motion because they've been working on it since PS2 days, that's why Move came into existence. There's only so much you can do with cameras. @Cold: people don't know about this game because it just got announced! and as i said - it sucks!
uh oh...cant wait for the people who have never heard of this game and who obviously wont ever buy it to roll in...oops already there.
No Kinect, can't be :)
Seems like developers prefer PS3 more then 360 lately. Valve, EA and Crytec. Hmmm what's next?
This is just the first of many multiplatform games to support Move and not Kinect. Ruse is another example of this. Kinect is for casual simple games because it is so limiting with out buttons and Move can be used for much more than that. Move has accuracy along with buttons makes Move a lot more versatile for many more game types that Kinect isn't even an option for. @Consoles... Let me teach you something, a MOUSE is an accurate way of tracking on a 2D plane, MOVE is an accurate way of tracking in 3D space. Now that you know the difference, maybe you will stop bringing this up ;)
That's because developers are not stupid. Unlike...
DO A BARREL ROLL! well, another move game, another game less for Kinect still a LBP emulation though
RUSE, Tiger Woods, and now this. The list of developers deciding against wasting time with Kinect is getting bigger.
Crytek is making a 360 exclusive, EA is in bed with Sony like how Activision is with MS, and Valve is mad at MS because they forced them to charge for DLC and won't let them add steamworks to XBL after years of exclusive support.
@Cold 2000 Come on dude, this game seems to be better than those mii-too games for kinect, just saying, if we're going to dismiss games, we're going to do it well... O-T Hmmm... no way to spin this, it got nothing to do with the game, it can be crap or not, the thing is, kinect is failing to get support out of the casual-crap, kinect can have all the just dance/dance central and such stuff that plague the wii, but nothing else, it's time to demonstrate that motion-control gaming is not just casual gimmicky crap and show how great it can work with any kind of game....
That's a sad news,I think I need to sit down...oh wait ;)
holy shit look at them all!... oh wait...
There is no way to spin this. Kinect isn't accurate as the videos show. I wanted to be intested in Kinect, but I've changed my mind. I still have my preorder for Move, though!
Move gives developers digital mathematical x,y,and z axis coordinates for both the location and orientation of the controller. It makes it very simple for developers to input the data into their apps.
I'm pretty sure that Kinect does something similar. It's all computer based it has to provide the coordinate data. Move does it by using the gyro sensors and judging the distance to the ball based on its size representative to the camera. Kinect is using the RGB and Depth camera to accomplish the same thing.
Wow a disagree to saying that Kinect uses similar mathematical calculations to determine where a person is in 3D space. I suppose then that if it doesn't use traditional (or likely more complex) x,y,z axis coordinate math, then perhaps there is a little gnome that stands next to the Kinect and tells it where you are standing.
ps move is very accurate i played on it yesterday and it 100% does as it promises, you have to re-calibrate it upon bright lighting, but other than that it was brilliant and worked perfectly for the rest of the play time!!
Too bad. An army of Big Billy Goat Gruffs are stamping mightily over the bridge that I feel more concerned about the bridge rather than the trolls below it. -End statement
I have no urge to spin anything, but the short blurb about the article misrepresents the article proper. In the source article, there is no commentary from the developer at all. The portion that talks about efficiency is linked to a second article. When you get there, there is no comparison given about the efficiency of Kinect vs Move. That portion of the article didn't mention Kinect at all it just stated that Move is very efficient. Nothing more or less. This is video game "journalism" at it's best. Take a small quote and manipulate it to mean what you want. Sad.
Activision and Microsoft: Timed Exclusive Content EA and Sony: Real Exclusive Content. That is the difference.
we will be spinning like crash bandicoot
We all know that PS MOVE is more more efficient than Kinect
great move(for gamers sake)
but its over, its over, kinect is over, its over. So get use to it
See the Devs are seeing the limitations of 'Kinect'. And the potential of 'MOVE'. How long before the public cotton on too.
Well thats what they prefer so oh well. Same situation with Valve with the PS3. They will probably work on kinect when they figure a way out to use efficiently.
In the main menu perhaps?
I'm not entirely surprised, just in-case you people haven't noticed BFBC 2, Moh Beta's came out on PS3 first, seems EA is slowly siding with PS3. :D
Sorry to break it to you mate, but excluding Valve (when they released Left 4 Dead 2) Sony and Microsoft pay companies for this.. Companies will never side on a console or be biased like fan-boys when it comes to things such as exclusives or getting something first, if third party developers had a choice they would go multi-platform as it provides more sales, however sonsole exclusive extras will part of a deal. It's all about profit for EA and every single other country.. I'll post examples of other companies saying they've done deals with exclusives if you don't believe me Also the choice of having Move exclusivity isn't just because their siding with the PS3 but more Kinect doesn't work well with pointer games. I don't know why I bother trying to explain to kids how industries work..
1) Extra payments from Sony 2) they make more money with Sony software sales both those two factors mean EA simply makes more money with Sony, thus, invest more in Sony. its really not that complicated.
Never got how Kinect would work anyways!! They could have spent the money on a Mouse and Directionpad add on instead! so I didnt have to spend a fortune on my PC to play FPS games!!
*looking at the pic* Well, Paint has better ways to draw circles.
it with Kinect Art.
LOL. Not quite the perfect circle.
Looks interesting, but LBP is a masterpiece. This'll have to be pretty fantastic to get much of LBPs fanbase interested.
They won't get the LBP fanbase with LBP2 coming up, it'll be the wii / 360 crowd that doesn't have a PS3.
Yep. Which makes Move support a little weird. You'd think the motion support would go towards persuading XBOX users to buy it, via natal. But I guess if it's on Wii, the only reason it has Move 'support' is because Move support came natural when already in development for the Wii.
Would Playstation owners really care about this game if it had exclusive Move compatibility? Also we're going to see a lot of trolls shouting out "I told you so, all games just don't work on Kinect" without reading the article.
follows Ubisoft skips KInect supports Move. looks like KInect is one big FLOP We now have a multiplatform game from both Ubisoft, and EA that supports Move, but doesn't support Kinect. This shows Kinect's lack of flexibility, and means MOVE will appeal to far more people since it can be used far more types of games. Its going to put the 360 at a very severe disadvantage with more, and more multi-platform games supporting Move, but not Kinect. Looks like Kinect is going to FLOP HARD. I wouldn't be surprised if the 360 is the last console Microsoft makes.
UBISOFT and EA are not skipping kinect. They are simply trying to find a way to implement core games on the damn thing, and they are thinking hard on how to do it. In this case though, for these sets of games, they failed to do that. instead they are bringing casual shovelware games (or family games) for it. games that can work with the system, like dance/ excercise /sports games on rails. does that remind you of anything from years ago, you know that camera from the PS2 days?
This should be good
considering that some japanese people will buy move and nobody will buy kinect that was a good move
Kinect is primarily aimed at 'new experiences' for better or worse. There's no point just being an alternative control method for normal games, you have a controller that already does that job quite nicely. Why would I use Move on this or Ruse when I can use the controller I already own? If I want to play Kinect games I have to buy Kinect.
But is Kinect worth it when all of these new games (that use wii and move tech) don't use kinect tech? Will Kinect only have a library of 20 games?
'we will be spinning like crash bandicoot' I laughed out loud! X^D)
Not only will move get first dibs on any non nintendo owned wii game they will also get first dibs on the hd motion controller games on top of the exclusives that sony will undoubtedly churn out. Its a win win for them. Any exclusive for kinect seem to be of the lean, jump n clap variety. Great for 'a' game but probably not for every game. As it stands its just too limited.
How can you possibly make that kind of statement about the exclusives that will come to Kinect? Look at first gen games for both the 360 and PS3, straight out of the gate. Compared to now, they are dog shit. As the tech matures and people get more familiarized with it things will ultimately change, assuming it has a long enough life span for that to happen. I want to get both control systems, but honestly what is it about Move that you see as so revolutionary. The games its been tacked onto are just as a pointing device. The only company that is using it as anything else at the moment is Sony, and they aren't really doing anything that Nintendo hasn't already done. So what is so revolutionary here? People on game forums really just need to sit down for a half a second and think about things rationally without the rose colored glasses. Given time, I am sure both control systems will adequately improve and be more than they appear to be at launch which is to say a Wii-mote and Eyetoy knockoff
really u dont think he's right, like seriously...with Move being the way it is & lets say slight similar 2 Wii.lol they're def gonna be gettin quite a few ports & devs already hav an idea on how 2 make games of the Wii variety as with Kinect u figure they gotta go in & do alot more & until MS starts really showing a new game or sumthin that cant be done but on Kinect its gonna get bashed every chance it gets...but the biggest thing ur right about logikil lets giv them time i mean neither 1 is even out & all this bashing just seems dumb until u hav that controller or not hav that controller in ur hand.lol
but if you'd read like 80% of my motion control comments you'd see that i more often than not state that time will tell. That being said i cant believe you dont think sony wouldnt support the Move controller with exclusives. Nobody said kinect wont have exclusives ive just stated that move will most likely have multiplats on top of sony made exclusives. I say that because thats what sony has done all gen....make exclusives and they do it more than MS because they have the means to. Your point, though noble, is a little flawed about tech maturing. Game types is game types. Theres only so much you can do with no buttons so if you really think about the move has both a camera AND a controller meaning it can to both types. Whether the pseye alone is up to the capabilities of kinect is still debatable but its predecessor has already proved it can do lean, jump n clap games. Now its proving it can do wii games to a higher level (wheres kinects resident evil). Nothing rose tinted about it but ive seen what ive seen and your genre basket is just less when you have no dedicated controller compared to a device that has a camera AND a controller imho. Ill add again..time will tell but im allowed to make predictions.
Why do you think there are so few 360 people defending it on the sites. Look, even the developers think it sucks. The Move can play their games now. They aren't interested in what Kinect can do later.
who wins the console war and just want to play games.
Just because 360 fans have their blinkers on, doesn't mean that's a good thing.
R.U.S.E. Dev...., http://www.nowgamer.com/new... "A Kinect version is not in the works right now." said Girard, "Kinect is more for interfaces where you are standing and making more immersive gestures, but in R.U.S.E. you are playing a general commanding armies. It's not as if a main character is appearing on your screen. It made more sense to look to the Move controller than Kinect." Create Dev..., "However, the reluctance to use Kinect support suggests the format is not suited to pointer-based games". By READING these articles, both Dev's make good points about Kinect. That dosen't mean like you Jim Jones Kool-Aid drinking fanboys stating that Move is better. Move is more effcient with simulation games like these.
What do you mean by simulation games? Key words here are POINTER-BASED.
another dev preferring MOVE over Kinect, seems like a pattern is starting to emerge.
yea i see the pattern too, it's the same as with the HDDVD vs Bluray :) who will win hmmm...
I don't think Move is going to become an RTS friendly system. PS3 would be be better off sticking to Mouse and keyboard for that.
It seems that logikil's comment went ignored. And I quote: "I have no urge to spin anything, but the short blurb about the article misrepresents the article proper. In the source article, there is no commentary from the developer at all. The portion that talks about efficiency is linked to a second article. When you get there, there is no comparison given about the efficiency of Kinect vs Move. That portion of the article didn't mention Kinect at all it just stated that Move is very efficient. Nothing more or less. This is video game "journalism" at it's best. Take a small quote and manipulate it to mean what you want. Sad." Are there really that few of you who don't know how comprehend what you've read? It's disgusting to think that because some of you are blinded by some irrational hatred of a game console, you're willing to fall for anyhing. Another day at n4g. @allroundgamer, "who will win hmmm..." Yet another person who missed the point of the "format wars". Microsoft had no real intention of supporting HD-DVD, that's why they never really pushed it. The reason that they did was to stall Sony on the digital download and distrubution front. Get Sony to spend money on a ginned up "fight", that for all intents and purposes, they'd already won. It worked. MS continues to have a much better online service, both for games, music, and moves via streaming and download. Sony has blu-ray as it's advantage (and boy do I love me some blu-rays). However, you have to ask yourself, what was the reason MS hardly fought that battle? If you don't get that, then perhaps it's best you just didn't.
...is Sony's bitch and it's lazy.
Regular games like this simply won't work with Kinect. It has to be a very basic game with very little interaction to work.
At launch. Third party devs at this time of all 3 consoles life cycle u can bet 3rd party devs are looking for the easiest motion controls to work with & make money from & the ps move is the best choice since the ps move works great for both casual & hardcore games. MS better hope kinect sells like crazy or what u see now with 3rd party devs shifting their support to the ps move is whats going to force MS to bring the xbox 720 much earlier then they expected.
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