More Kinect Bashing

It is not the product, it is the marketing that's more stupid.

Love or hate the idea, Microsoft is definitely taking the more bolder and riskier move than Sony in their focus on the wide non-gamer market. To sell flailing your arms and legs around a living room, while trying not to look stupid, must be a marketer's nightmare. So how do you sell looking stupid?

[Hyrius]

"Love or hate the idea, Microsoft is definitely taking the more bolder and riskier move than Sony in their focus on the wide non-gamer market."

EyeToy says hi.

[Millionaire]

You cannot argue with that quote though. Seems like this is a do or die for Microsoft. They're putting all their fate on Kinect while Sony is like in the middle where even if MOVE fails(not saying it will) they can still go back and focus on some real hardcore games.

[ActionBastard]

I disagree. I think MS are wizards at manufactured hype (as seen in the Kinect/Cirque du Soleil cluster). They did the same thing with the Zune until it was obvious they weren't going to make a dent in Apple's market saturation. NINTENDO took the bolder and riskier move than either Sony or Microsoft bringing motion gaming to forefront to begin with. I'm no Nintendo fanboy, but credit where credit's due.

EDIT: Apologies Millionaire, I didn't realize the "wide non-gamer market" was limited to Kinect and Move.

[Millionaire]

I would have agree with you if Nintendo was brought in the article, but it wasn't. This is just between Kinect and Move.

[MisterNiwa]

Nintendo was mentioned in the article, better go read it before claiming shit.

[HolyOrangeCows]

When people realize they can't play Kinect because they don't have 10+ feet (7 that it needs to see the average height person from head to toe, thanks to it's narrow vertical FOV, and 3 so that you can actually take advantage of 3D space) in their living room without moving all of the furniture every time, Kinects will be returned in large quantities.

http://www.kombo.com/images...

LOL, wish I had a livingroom that honking big.

[jack_burt0n]

@holycow

No matter how often you state the obvious, ppl just wont hear it lol

Its dependent on clothing, standing, persons height, skin colour the list goes on and on I am not bashing this is legitimate issues ppl had demoing kinect at the booths @e3 the technology is junk.

[Biggest]

My 8 year old son could teach these guys a thing or two about the English language. I absolutely HATE "more something-er"! It's just "bolder" and/or "riskier". Please go to school. The guys you look up to on G4TV and such have all paid their dues. You should return the favor.

[mrv321]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

SEGA says hi the only way the 90's knows how, annoyingly.

[darthv72]

truly epic sega right there. I need to go on ebay and find me one of those.

Thanks for posting this...seriously.

[Hades1337]

How come you're always first to comment on any article that's Kinect-related? Do you lurk the website night and day until you find a Kinect article just so you can set the tone of the discussion? (ie. bash it) What a sad and morbid life you must lead.

[Poseidon]

Look At The Maths lol

[darthv72]

and then it said...hey, where did everybody go?

[Elven6]

DreamEye says, hello!

[darthv72]

I am portable unlike the other guy.

[weazel]

Grammar says hi too Kombo.com +. He was wondering why you don't feel the need to call him now and then....

" Microsoft is definitely taking the more bolder and riskier move than Sony..."

And who said the art of literate journalism was dead?

[J-Smith]

or Justin Bieber will tell his mummy & cry

[Inside_out]

What a great article...a look into the desperation the competition is feeling about a device that is about to take over the casual gaming living room.

M$ will sell all the Kinects it can produce for the same reasons outlined in this sad article. People talk and word of mouth will spread on how fun Kinect is...how the kids love it and how it's a great way for families to game together. The Wii is the phenomenon it is a fun interactive way for people and families to game together.

I love watching the competition squirm...this is just the first gen of Kinect. The next six to eight months will be interesting to say the least. I wonder where Sony move fits in all of this clowns thinking...

Here's Sony move in action...look at the wrist action...lol. That sure looks cool...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[weazel]

"it's a great way for families to game together"

You really want to game with your mom cez??

[DigitalRaptor]

Cez, I love how you're always posting videos of Kung Fu Rider, as if it's the only Move game coming out.

All I gather from your comments is wishful thinking. What is true is that Move is a better prouct, and you feckin know it!

[GWAVE]

"It is not the product, it is the marketing that's more stupid. "

No, it IS the product.

Kinect is not Project Natal. All of the cool ideas and concepts were shown for Natal. All of the potential was in Natal. Kinect has cut out so much of Natal's power (the built-in CPU, more than two players we can assume, the potential for accurate motion tracking, object scanning, etc). Kinect has taken the cool potential-filled idea of Natal that gamers really liked, and it has dumbed it down to a Wii wannabe.

[SupaGamer]

Pew Pew Pew.

[darthv72]

gwave makes interesting points except...if kinect is the dumbed down wii wannabe then move would have to be the juiced up wii wannabe?

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Move is a new Experience, it have Z Axis with a super precision and other things that Wii Motion Plus can't do, and that little thing makes a big difference.

Not to mention, involving the PS Eye, that will include Facial, Body, and Voice Recognition to the Gameplay.

[writersblock]

I mean, its not completely false what you're saying. MS and Sony ARE looking staight at the wii, the sales numbers, and thinking "that was a good idea". They're both trying to capture that audience that has kept nintendo in the money (casuals, family). But Sony is putting it a full practical step forward to do the same thing but better. MS is putting a foot forward further than it can reach, and thats why kinect and move are wii-wannabe's if you think practically

[Omega4]

Kinect article and Sony trolls in full force, and people go on at me.

OT: You can hate on Kinect all you want, but the more you talk about it the bigger it gets.

@IRetrouk
Good to know Kinect will be a huge success then

[IRetrouk]

only peopke like you could buy kinect after seeing how laggy, unresponsive and how much it really just looks like eyetoy1.5, kinect dosnt work and move does get over it.

Im not saying it wont sell, never said it wouldnt, but back to my point, its fanbotz like you that are going to buy this natal thing and it will be you thats let down by something thats over ten years old and does not work as it should, move on the other hand will also sell, and work as its suposed to.

[soxfan2005]

Watch Sony's E3 conference again to see just how laggy & unresponsive Move is - especially with the Tiger Woods demonstration.

From what's been shown of Kinect & Move so far, neither will work as they are supposed to

[IRetrouk]

Wrong sony has 1.1 tracking kinect doesnt, move works, kinect doesnt, notice a patern? give it up, sony has done nothing but improve inovate and improve some more, whats micro done?

[soxfan2005]

Sony CLAIMS to have 1:1 tracking, but the Move demos are laggy. That's a pattern I've noticed.

[writersblock]

Move demo, ill give you the benefit of the doubt. It looked one to one, but maybe you were looking closer than us

But the kinect demo I didnt even have to look, it was lagging like a full half second after someone did something. Sometimes you could TELL it was faked cus the game moved BEFORE the person, meaning its scripted

[Boody-Bandit]

everyone that has played with Move talks about how amazingly accurate it is. I guess you are seeing things on videos that people that have actually used it are not experiencing hands on. This is a tough decision. Do I take soxfans eagle eye vision or people with hands on experience? Let me think on this a bit and get back to you. /s

[btk]

But Omega - it is such fun to watch this whole debacle play out.
Kinect is a joke for the asking price... it is even funnier to see the MS defense force / viral marketers coming apart as they realize even the faithful are having second thoughts about this hyped up overpriced camera that can do no more than a $30 PSeye.

[playstation_clan]

i will stop bashing kinect until I buy one which is never, no hardcare games at ALL. Its a waste of technology, the eyetoy is the same thing (without the talking ability)

Whoever buys this is not to be considered a gamer under any circumstance, you would look like a douche

[weazel]

Oh what U.N worthy crimes of persecution you must all be facing dudes. The inhumanity!
Soldier on brave little martyrs, Soldier on.....

(Ah yeah,while we're at it, sorry sox...I thought that we were commenting on Kinect, but since you seem to have a lil' chubby going on for Move, then it might be cool if you could link to the video streams. Yeah? Proof,legitimacy,and such like, not that you're full of sh*t or anything, but....)

[NateNater]

I doubt a lot of people have this much room that's meant for gaming wherever they live... http://www.kombo.com/images...

And look at that weekly poll on Kombo's website.
"What do you think of Kinect so far?"
18% say Awesome I'll definitely get one!
23% say Great for the kids but not for me
60% say Lame no thanks

It might not be a massive poll but it just goes to show where Kinect may be headed.

I'm not trying to bash Kinect at all btw just in case some of you were wondering.

[tinybigman]

i sure as hell don't have that much room. small studio apt here.

[btk]

September - Move launches. People can have first hand experience - then walk over to Macy's - try the Kinect demo - then go to Gamestop and cancel the pre-order.

I predict the biggest number of pre-order cancellations starting after people see Move and Kinect head to head September.

If Kinect was to stand a chance - it should have launched three months before Move to get some momentum. Now it is going to be dead in the water come launch date.

[Johnny Rotten]

did anyone else notice that there's about 20ft between the TV and the couch?

[ATLGAMER]

It is not bashing if it is true....

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

You're gonna need a mansion to use the dam thing!

[J-Smith]

yeah lets not bash anything microsoft LoL

[Kahvipannu]

Well MS can afford it to flop.. Or maybe it's huge success? But some people seem to have determined it's fate even before it's out..

I just care what Kinect can do to me, as a gamer. Now it really doesn't look like a must buy, but I'll wait and see if something changes my mind..

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

is whats totally funny to me...

[tiamat5]

Taking the ignorant and stupid route is different from taking the bolder route. Microsoft are idiots to follow the paths that Nintendo and Sony took and rejected without even learning about or considering what they are doing. They are taking on the two masters of selling casual game with almost no knowledge or experience and banking on peoples' stupidity to sell tech that informed people including their own fanbase can see is a piece of junk. They are hoping and praying that their target is dumb enough not to see through their tricks and half truths. I understand why Microsoft is doing that but why people defend it? The Kinect seems to be made to attract people to the 360 and nothing else. There is no visual or even proper verbal proof that shows it is better, faster,more versitile, user friendly or anything. When will people learn that newer doesn't necessarily mean better?

[DigitalRaptor]

Holy crap, that is so true!!

Sadly you'll be called a PS3 fanboy for it.

[wages of sin]

When do some of you ever have time to actually play games instead of eagerly waiting to pounce on anything "negative"? Ignorant and stupid for trying to do something different? If that's the case, thank God most of you aren't in charge of progress. Sony copies exactly what Nintendo did (as usual) and it's hailed as a wonder of technology. Microsoft chooses a different way to go, and now they're idiots?

Another day at n4g.

Kinnect will get bashed by so called gamers until the cows come home. Who cares what any of you naysayers think? You did the same thing about the Wii and it's kicked the crap out of Sony and MS, more importantly Sony. From first to third with an overpriced blu-ray player. A few years later; when I bought mine, it was worth it. All we heard was potential this, potential that. Why don't you extend that same chance to MS? The answer to that being that you're not gamers anyway. You're angry assholes that make the rest of us look bad. No wonder the outside world looks at us the way they do. Look at yourselves.

I hate this generation of gamers. I can't wait until we move on to something more positive.

Oh and one more thing...
All of you look at Sony as some benevolent author of faith and good will are delusional. MS gets the hate it does because they are the biggest. Say what you want but MS is a software giant. Sony is a hardware giant; and both of them show this in their final products. However, make no mistake. Sony is just as rutherless and cut throat as some of you love to say about MS. Maybe because many of you are European. We all know how much hate and hypocricy comes from that side of the globe, especially towards Americans. At any rate, don't let your fanboy goggles fool you.

All three systems are must haves...if you're a gamer that is.

[DigitalRaptor]

I understand your points, but how is the 360 a must-have when most of its best games are on the PC? Just would like to hear your response.

[Myst]

The premise behind Kinect isn't all that bad. Just needs a bit of work and it actually could become a pretty interesting thing to playing games after all the work is done for it. The only problem I foresee is the games that are so far being released on it. They go from downright mediocre to embarrassing. Don't really care if people disagree with me, but I think it could be an interesting little toy if done right.

I mean to be honest Microsoft's E3 sure as heck didn't impress me to buy a Kinect in fact it made me laugh and never look to it. Though depending on the games that come out for it later I MAY look into it, but seeing as how I would be playing an MMO later it's depends on the funds that are set aside. So as stated before Kinect could be interesting, only problem is the games I see. They are all rehashes of past games [track and field was one of them. Fun game, but I got over that when I became like what 10?]. Bring in some interesting first person perspective multiplayer game. A Dungeons and Dragons game or something of the sort would be rather interesting for this. Walking in place and if it actually tracks your entire movement it would be very nice for someone who is say a thief and sneaking.

So while everyone may bash it for what it is now, I think Kinect could indeed become something good but depending on how Microsoft treats it everything is up in the air. Though from the start I'd say it's looking like something that I wouldn't get.

[edit]
Tried my best not to bring any of the other systems into my post. If I did apologies as I was just trying to focus on Kinect itself in the present and future. At least trying not to compare it with it's other console competitors.

[Kyur4ThePain]

Do you expect to be taken seriously?

[Lucreto]

Look at the size of that room in the picture. That looks like an MS executive house not an average house.
My living room is a converted garage so get an average car and put 4 feet around it and you got the size.

[air1]

The carpet that they are on is about the size of an average car with an extra 4' all around seems to be plenty of room. What do you think you will be doing bycicle kicks like liu kang?

[air1]

Lol ppl are worried about looking " cool " while playing video games in the privacy of your own home. As long as friends family and me are having "fun" flaing our arms and legs around I'm fine. I'm mature enough to laugh it off and still have my ego intact.

[tiamat5]

wages of sin don't hand me all that garbage okay. Your ranting is not making any sense. Microsoft is not trying to progress technology as you put it or they would have spent more time perfecting their motion control device. This is not progress. They minused the one thing that made gaming what it is, the controller. Any true gamer can see that Microsoft is selling you air, empty soul less air. No feedback, no substance, not even a solid game that proves it's worth. Even Sony and Nintendo dropped the tech because they realised it wasn't viable. Microsoft hasn't shown that it is either. You continue to defend something that hasn't shown you any proof that is more than a glorified EYETOY. Sony has more then proved that the Move is not a mere Wii clone. Rant and rave, foam at the mouth, and stomp your feet all you like. The truth is us 'informed gamers' already see what Kinect is. A device to lure you into buying a 360 and nothing else.

[omegaheat]

I'm really having a difficult time seeing so many article titles that bash the 360 for whatever it does. I don't understand the point of arguing that while playing the 360 Kinect one would look stupid. I think it sounds more stupid arguing that PS Move and Wii make you look less stupid because instead of waving your arms and legs, they require you to only wave your arms and pretend that the rest of your body is involved with the gameplay. Enough is enough, just quit it with the articles.

[gypsygib]

MS is selling lies, demonstrations are pre-recorded, they still hav ads that to can scan skateboards into the game, and use 4 players. Kinect will sell well at first but people will soon realize that it doesn't work properly.