From Kombo: After E3 we did a few charts comparing the price of three console's motion control experience. Now that we have all the finalized pricing information, we have decided to update the charts.
Real hardcore gamers play EVERYTHING. They have every console, every peripheral, ever game. They don't have friends. So therefore, this article is correct. It is more expensive for one person to invest in Kinect then a family of people.
I guess. A hardcore gamer tends to play a lot of games online, so I think they would (for example) only need one controller for Move or for the Wii. On the other hand, a family would want a Move controller for every person, so that could be three extra controllers. However, what the article doesn't mention is that Kinect is cheaper because it is a fixed item. You will never need more than one Kinect, but as a consequence you will never have games for more than 2 players at a time. Will a family buy something knowing that the whole family actually CAN'T play together? I used to work at a video game store and I saw plenty of families buying a full 4-remote compliment to their Wii.
i am a hardcore gamer. I earned that title years ago like many older gamers on this site. I own all the systems but that doesnt make you hardcore. I played all the games (well....a good majority anyway) but that doesnt make you hardcore. What makes a hardcore gamer is their passion and dedication to the craft. You can still have friends, especially ones you can spend time gaming with. I think the term 'core' is being thrown around like 9's and 10' are to mediocre games. People call themselves 'core' because of the hardcore nature of the game they play but that is just core by association. Any REAL gamer that has been playing games since the 70's has earned the right to be called 'core' because they have seen the highs and lows of what this industry has offered. I know that sounds cheesy but imagine kevin butler saying it with his chest puffed out like he did at sony's e3. Oh and to own everything including games and peripherals doesnt make you hardcore...it makes you a collector. I am a hardcore collector that still likes to play.
I played plenty of Wii games that only support one player at a time (Mario Party) or even two active players while we took turns like (Wii Sports Resort Fencing) out of the group of people. Casual games tend to be a social experience of people watching some people play and then take turns. I don't remember ever playing a game with three people simultaneously, although I know they exist (Wii Sports Tennis), but my guess is it isn't that frequent. With that said, you still need 3 controllers setup to play 3 player Mario Party for some reason... which technically isn't needed.
It's pretty much semantics at this point...
"What makes a hardcore gamer is their passion and dedication to the craft" Meh, Hardcore just indicates you like to play games allot. Playing Tetris till you have 999 lines is hardcore. Not 10 minutes of killzone2 . I rather be called a Casual gamer, i mean if you read what kind of types associate themselves with "Hardcore"...Thanks but no thanks.
"I rather be called a Casual gamer, i mean if you read what kind of types associate themselves with "Hardcore"...Thanks but no thanks." Well said! I'm with you on that one!!!
And I don't buy crap. That means shovelware and tech that's useless to me. So kinect will not see my $$$$$$ it has nothing of value for me, move on the other hand does as it works with core games.
Prices Wii Wii Remote: $49.99 Nunchuck: $19.99 For 2 People: (The Wii includes 1 Wii Remote and 1 Nunchuck) Wii Remote: $49.99 Nunchuck: $19.99 Total: $69.98 For 4 People: (The Wii includes 1 Wii Remote and 1 Nunchuck) Wii Remote x3: $149.97 Nunchuck x3: $59.97 Total: $209.94 PS3 Starting Kit: $99.99 (Includes: 1 Move, 1 PSEye, 1 Game) Move: $49.99 Navigator:$ 29.99 For 2 People: Starting Kit: $99.99 Move: $49.99 Navigator x2 (Optional): $59.98 Total: $209.96/$149.98 (w/o Nav) Total having PSEye already: $159.96/$99.98 (w/o Nav) For 4 People: Starting Kit: $99.99 Move x3: $149.97 Navigator x4 (Optional): $119.96 Total: 369.92/249.97 (w/o Nav) Total having PSEye already: $319.92/$199.96 (w/o Nav) Xbox 360 Kinect: $149.99 (As of Today) For 2 People: Kinect: $149.99 (As of Today) Total: $149.99 For 4 People*: Kinect: $149.99 Second Xbox360 (Arcade): $149.99 Second Kinect: $149.99 Total: $449.97 *You can´t have 4 players with Natal
so all i need is the move which is 50 and maybe the navi 30. so i'll either pay 50/80. my friends will have to bring their own remote over to my place if they want to game. in the end the move comes out cheaper for me with games i want to play; while kinect doesn't offer me anything of value.
much like with the kinect, move has limitations as well when it comes to the number of simultaneous move/nav controllers. 2/2 simultaneous if i recall. Kinect limits 2 active players with a max of 6 players. I am sure both ms and sony will find ways to go around those limitations. For example, sony could find a way to tether the nav to the same BT channel as the move controller. Almost making it act like the wiimote-chuck but without the cord. I am guessing the current kinect fw/software is keeping it set at 2 active to start. Over time they could refine the software to add additional active players depending on the game.
Brings up a very good point. PS Move only supports up to 4 controllers regardless of combination of wand and navigator (sub-controller) i.e. 2 wands + 2 navigators or 4 wands. Source: http://gizmodo.com/5491464/...
the PS3 supports up to 7 blue tooth devices as a max... so they would need to share channels if that is even possible... I'm no expert on BT
Wait... they price the Wii and PS3 with the need to use 4 controllers for 4 players when Kinect only allows 2 players?
"Kinect=2player, no i mean 4 players, no i actually mean you could have 5 players with Kinect", Really?? There's not enough space for more than one player in my home, unless i open the window and play outside(sarcasm). I would imagine this will be a common factor when considering motion controls.
So, Kinect is most expensive option for the hardcore gamer. It also happens to have the worst value for them, as well, since there don't seem to be any hardcore games for it. Don't really get MS strategy here. The Kinect seems to be priced like an accessory for the Hardcore, but with little appeal to them. It also seems kind of too expensive for the Casual Gamer, but the games are geared to them.
The 3 move controllers price doesn't account for the 3 sub controllers that would be required - or the other move controller that would be required for a two-player game that requires to bulbs per person (the fighting game, for example). One gamer on a move will cost $80, while 3 could cost as much as $240 (or even $300), just in controllers.
Except that the navigation controllers ARE NOT REQUIRED. You can use a dualshock3/ sixaxis instead if the price does get too much for you. Also I'd point out that the 3 extra move controller price is categorised as EXTRA after getting the first with the bundle, as stated by the diagram. That is 4 move controllers in total: not 3 as you claimed. Hence, a 2 player game requiring 2 bulbs per person is factored in already.
i dont think many people realize the dualshock could be used as a navigation controller. I only learned this recently.
3 players? How much would that cost to do on Kinect? Well you'd need a new Kinect so that's $300 ON TOP!
Show me one ps3 move game where 4 players can play at once, i bet you you can't
Show me a kinect game that can do 4 at once, I bet YOU can't.
there is a party game with four people playing at once but sony gas not released it yet. you can play two at a time just like with kinect ( TAKE TURNS) otherwise you need two 360's snd kinects
the volley ball game supports up to for players. and the PSeye can track 4 move wands. I cant say the same thing about kinect sports.
In THEORY there's a limit of 7 players but what would the specs of the playstation and move prove anyway? OH WAIT EVERYTHING. Some Move games may just use the MOVE CONTROLLER, I can easily see a 4 player shoot em' up
Move Bundle = $100: ·PS-EYE ·Move Controller ·Game Navigator = $30 -> can be replaced with the DualShock 3 Another Move = $50 -> as far as I know, there are only 2 games that need 2 Move Controllers at the same time: Archery and Motion Fighters, the Archery game comes in Sport Champions, so that's only 1 Game and Motion Fighters is not in the Sport Champions I think, anyways, it's not a Big Deal O-T "Kinect Still Cheapest for the Family" -> x360 arcade + kinect bundle = $300 -> another add-on = $150 -> $450 "Most Expensive for Hardcore" -> kinect add-on = $150 / -> $150 for x360 owners -> x360 250Gb = $300 -> $450 yeah, cos hardcore gamers are going to pay $150 for this device and $60 per game just for the achievements, right? kinect is not for gamers, leave alone the hardcore gamers, it's fully aimed to the casual, even major nelson was cheering gamers to buy casual-kinect games just for achievements...
wait from my understanding kinect only supports 2 player. was that just a rumor or something?
and you need to stand up to play it, you cant sit down and you also need 6ft of space to play it. all these extra requirements for something that should be so simple and easy to use.
Don't go spreading rumors as facts... the limitations you speak of are software bound at the moment and have nothing to do with the actual hardware
No, its true.
How can some one say 300 bucks is cheaper than 200 bucks? Makes no sense at all.
move bundle + another move = 150 ( that takes care of multiple people for the same price as kinect ) move bundle = $100 (for the guy that plays alone) game + Move = $90 (if you have the ps eye already) thats it its simple so stop the BS and get your head out of microsoft's ass. YOU DON'T NEED THE NAV how many times do i have to say it. i am tired of the BS also Move games are the cheepest right @ $40. WII and kinect are $50 but no one talks about that
good point. Off topic: sixaxis backwards is sixaxis :D
Since I am left handed, if I use a dualshock controller as the nav, can I move the right joystick to move my character instead of aim.
The Sega Activator was around $80 or so, but it was total crap and didnt perform. Kinetic is the Activator 2.0 and its reliability has yet to be proven at all. Most of the demo's are produced videos...not live demo's. I feel for anyone that buys Kinetic, hopefully none ever had an Activator and are buying into all this hype for the unproven system add-on because of lack of knowledge and not ignorance. It has been said you need alot of lights on while using and that the darker your skin the harder it is to pick you up Nintendo & Sony have never shy'd away from live demos of their tech...why has MS? Kinetic doesn't even use Bluetooth for anything, it cant be much better than the Activator using old cheaper tech.
what a pointless discussion, i'd rather ask: does anybody know any good wii rpg games i should buy next. I plan on getting fallout, but are there any wii rpg games i missed out on besides zelda. Lots of offline gameplay is a must.
Opoona, Chocobo Dungeon, Tales of Symphonia:Dawn of the new World, and just about any random RPG you see should keep you busy on the Wii. Most of them are Oldschool, meaning lots of exploration and stiff challenges.
What i want to know is can we just use the Navigator for normal games instead of the Dualshock/sixaxis controller.
add 50$ and you get A NINTENDO CONSOLE+NINTENDO Quality Games. You can buy a Kinect like camera for less than 20$.
or a ps2 and eyetoy, you save 80%
Look at the 360 Kinect combo. 4GB hard drive, 4GB wont last long and MS will come up with a bigger 360 Slim hard drive like a 250GB for alot . Plus your limited with just motion control .
the HDd that comes with a ps3 is accounted for
OH I SEE HOW IT IS.... so sony hasn't ANNOUNCED anything yet for 4 players for move fair enough.... But when articles from Developers yes Dvelopers say that more mature titles are coming for Kinector that you can sit down and play you call bullshit SO tell me you rag on about how much room Kinect needs, How much room do you think Move will need for 4 players ANWSER honestly, and why haven't i seen any video's of move playing 4 players, you think that would be a selling point wouldn't you ???? I'll use the ps3 fanboy reasoning againist them. In China and Japan their living rooms are tiny how do you fit 4 people playing move in such a small space, there limiting there customers.
umm are you serious? japans houses maybe small but atleast you aint running around across rooms jumping up and down
You want to show me one video of kinect where people are jumping across entire rooms, yeah i thought so. So I constantly hear ps3 gripe about the room needed for kinect saying 6 ft for kinect is way to big of a area yet you defend move saying that 4 players in a living room is possible in the same sentence yeah that makes a lot of sense
go ahead and look for one go ahead and look for a video of kinnect using 4 people too and while your at it go and look for sonic riders oh wait i can do that one for you http://www.youtube.com/watc...
wow dude when did i ever mention kinect with 4 players man there some idiots on here, I just laugh when ps3 say 4 people move and i haven't seen anything game that does thatand by the way thanks for posting that video, because he looks like he a lot closer than 6 ft
i never even said how far he was i just said jumping up and down left to right about the space required for move im trying to ask sony about that http://www.youtube.com/watc... looking at this guy it seems that ps move doesnt require that much space
whole thing is off. only the wii has 4 players no matter what. ps3 can have 4 players in certain cases. kinect can track 6 people with 2 being active at one time.
Kinect still cheapest for the family, if you have a two person family, that is!
4 player move may be more expensive, but at least it supports up to 4 players. Plus it offers more functionality and possibilities then what Kinect can.
xbox 360 bundled with 4 gb... ps3 bundled with 250 gb... there's a difference there I THINK
I bet when Move comes out and the PS3 Bundle is out, we are most likely going to see the PS3 hit $199.99. Makes room for the new bundle an makes it cheaper for those who might already got Move preorder but no PS3/ get a PS3. I think it is safe to say PS3 wins on being cheaper mostly, keep in mind this doesn't count what you pay to be apart of XBL. So their is more money to be spent.
Kinect is also the most limited of the three motion controllers.
a device only collecting dust can't be called cheap
Kinect can be played with 4 people but only 2 at a time. this do to the processor in the Kinect not the Xbox 360. Read Primesense site about the limits of the processor.To much space would be needed for 4 people swinging away in a game anyway, maybe the next gen of this processor might support it or maybe there will be a software update or something who knows.
I mean the biggest issue I have is kinect still doesn't have a single game I want to play. It's all minigame compilations and the kind of casual crap i purposely do not buy for wii. And no, dance central DOES NOT interest me.
theres like what, 3 games that use motion plus? all you really need is just 2. most games can be played with just one wiimote. plus in the newer bundle, you are getting 2 games. that save you $50. natal doesn't look as good. a limit on how many people play? if you really wanted too, the wii can do 4 people at once, via tennis in WS, plus the shovelware for natal looks worse than the wii's. plus as the 2nd pic says, you'll be spending WAY more money if you decide to buy natal (if you already have a 360). it would be cheaper just to buy the bundle
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