Sharp recently announced that it will be the first Blu-ray disc maker to launch a recordable triple layer Blu-ray format with 100GB of storage capacity--twice the capacity of current Blu-ray discs.
Do u think 100GBs would b enough 4 Hideo Kojima?
No, if Kojima had all the time and money to make the game of his dreams, that wouldn't be enough still.
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imagine the gaming quality that could be crammed into that thing. Woah! PS4: THREE updated, current gen Cell processors all with 10 working SPUs and 1tera Blu-ray disc from launch.... *head explodes*
We need developers to make use of the 50gb before we start talking about a 100gb. How many non exclusives use a full 50gb?
OF course the third party titles don't utilize the 50GB...
I think the more important question is how many games actually need the 50gb. Don`t get me wrong, many games use is for better quality videos and soundfiles and I like that, however I don`t see many games actually needing that much space to be more innovative and good. One of the best games this Gen is Uncharted 2 and that took a full 25gb disc and was a an amazing 10-12 hour experience, what would 100gb let us do? A longer 46-48 hour experience? I guess that does sound cool, lol @zootang, yeah, that does sound cool, hehe. I aint hating on blu ray, but great games are not fully dependant on storage space, but I can`t deny that it does help. @rockleex... [email protected] HD movies, too funny.
Bluray won't be going away anytime soon. It will even be enough for full Ultra HD movies... maybe. :P Bluray will last up to at least 15 years.
@Monty Just think of the RPG's
@zootang God of War 3 used up 44gb just so you know.
Exactly! Developers aren't usung up the 50 Gb yet, so I don't think they are ready for 100 Gb! As good as Uncharted 2 looked, it was on a 25 Gb BRD! So the 50 Gb disc still have a lot of space to be used. Also keep in mind what you are asking... because the more work a developer puts into a game, the more money they will try to get back from it! Don't rush things.
sharp has a player/recorder that meets the bdxl format. I know the ps3 could handle higher capacity blu discs but it is more of the amount of storage per layer. Bluray as it is can have multiple layers for data. For the ps3 to use higher capacities, the amount per layer would need to remain consistent. Meaning if a single layer is 25gb then each layer needs to be the same amount. Dual layer 50gb discs are supported and there is the possibility of quad layer 100gb. This sharp created one however uses 3 layers which breaks down to 33.33gb. A single layer capacitance the ps3 laser is not designed to read. Not sure if a fw update would fix that but it almost looks like another format in the blu family. One that increases the amount of data per layer thus emilinating the use of multiple layers to achieve the same capacity. Ironicly, hddvd was 15gb and blu was 25gb. Both were coined from the same idea of using a blue laser to read higher capacity layers. Blu used a slightly different wavelength to read higher capacity layers. This new BDXL is no different in that same scenario. It offers higher capacity per layer than the current blu format. While this is great news for higher capacity discs it really has nothing to do with sony and the ps3. Sony will continue to produce their 4 layer 100gb discs at a later point in time. Those we know will work (according to sony).
looks like costs are down enough to launch the 100gb discs time will tell when they launch the 500gb blu ray disc http://www.trustedreviews.c... and the 1tb blu ray disc http://www.techradar.com/ne... i hope technology speeds up enough for this to be current 1tb is capable of holding all ps3 exclusives on one disc it might be big enough to hold most of the ps2 collection on one disc
Would love to see these size discs and the drives you need to write them become available and be a little cheaper. They are a nice way to back up a crap load of data and I think it's safer then a Hard drive as it can't crash and what not. However right now it's a bit to expensive for the every day consumer. On the gaming front I can think of alot of ways this would help games but again unless all the future consoles use it we won't see much benefit as only the Sony Exclusives will take advantage. That said I don't think this will be used in the Next gen. It will more then likely be Blu-ray but not this kind. The article mentions these discs are gonna cost 50-60 dollars a piece and that's a crap load of money considering how expensive games already are right now. We could end up paying 100 bucks a game if not more unless they make these tech ALOT cheaper in the next 3-4 years.
If the game was 50 hours long with best graphics ever I'd pay that. People pay that much for a collectors edition that comes with a figurine and an artbook. I'd much rather more game.
Dont forget 3D uses twice the video data as non 3D. I would not be suprised if the Avatar sequal uses one of these when it comes out on Blu-ray 3D
Well, I think Sony's going to definitely have Blu-ray capabilities for the PS4. Best of all, that means it would most likely be backwards compatible with the PS3!
John Car-mack told that uncompressed RAGE data is 1TB. So in future we can expect 1TB bluray to play some uncompressed games.
That is what I am talking about! Downloading full games just wont happen for a while if they keep getting blu-ray disks bigger.
If cloud computing takes off, it won't matter either way.
Ugh, dont say that, i want my discs, not a download :(
cloud computing is not taking off the only thing taking off is quantum computing basically using atoms to process data thats the future
You clearly don't have a clue about what cloud computing is in real life (not in ibm advertising :P). Moreover, if you are speaking about data storage in "the cloud", it clearly doesn't have any relation with data storage in consoles due to several network & infrastructure restrictions.
@Richard Explain, i'm curious.
Download is never gonna take over in my opinion. There are far to many things working against it. Not the least of which is how horribly slow the US is in terms of overall internet speed and what not(Japan and Korea can download full 1080P Blu-ray movies in about 3-4 minutes and it takes us 10x longer to download a NON HD movie half the length) On top of that we have US ISP's thinking about charging people for using more bandwidth which is exactly what we would be doing if we were expected to download all our games and movies. Imagine having no other option but to download and doing so would jack up your internet bill by like 200 bucks a month. Sound fun? No didn't think so. Oh and then there is of course the countless surveys and studies showing that consumers don't like download only and prefer disc based media(or media in general should we ever happen to move past disc's) What companies like MS need to understand is that just because Music has become a primarily download based model doesn't mean that same model would work for games. People only want download only when it's quick easy and simple. Which is why smaller indie games seem to do okay as download only titles but full blown huge games don't.
i think it will change drastically within 5 years, more and more countries are realizing super fast broadband is the future, its just a matter of time although because of rural areas it wont really be world wide which means discs will always have a place
I personally agree but unfortunately, I wouldn't argue that point. The game industry will end up like the music industry and where the movie industry is heading. Digital media is the future (unfortunately). There is something exciting about knowing that when you wake up in the morning, your game will be available and you can just hop up, turn on, and download. Companies will probably do what Steam does where you pre-install the game before it comes out so you don't have to wait for the download. Then on day one, you get a patch that adds any last minute changes and unlocks the game.
Yes restrictions which will be overcome as broadband becomes faster and cheaper. We're talking about the future, not right now. So I don't see why you're talking about present day restrictions on a technology that will be utilized in the future for, amongst other things, video games.
@silvacrest Honestly I don't know if that's gonna happen. In most of the places in the world that have really fast web access it's because the government made the companies do that. Something similar is beginning to happen in the US however what they want is LOW end broadband and it's not expected to be finished until like 5 years from now.(assuming the bill even passes for that matter) The US government seems perfectly content on letting the US ISP's fight over stupid things instead of trying to advance our internet capabilities. As long as that is the case we are never gonna see the incredibly fast speeds other places in the world get. In Japan they get speeds nearly 50x faster then us and the most they pay is around 14$ US each month. Where as the fastest you can get in the US is probably a fifth of that and will cost you up to 200$ a month. What this means is that most companies in the US have the capability to provide the speeds seen elsewhere in the world but they don't have the incentive to make a affordable mainstream option which is where the government needs to step in.
well, im in the UK and the government as well as the biggest ISP are rolling out fibre optic broadband and expect to get 66% of the country by 2012, the UK is tiny in terms of land size compared to the US so its little wonder why it could take them 5+ years also a few ISP in the UK offer true unlimited broadband, im only now starting to realize how rare this is around the world, plus its dirt cheap, im only paying £13, even with fibre optic broadband coming it will only be £20+ anyway, after saying all of this i agree with you, unless the government and ISP work together in rolling out super fast internet as well as it being uncapped then it will probably take more then 5 years for most countries and the services still wont compare
@silvacrest Your lucky ; ; As I said while the US has a similar plan to the UK it's going to take a much longer period of time and last I knew they were trying to roll out low end broadband and not fiber optic like they should which is not only stupid but a massive waste of tax payers money. The main reason behind this is because the ISP's in the US love to fight over who has the best deals and what not and Fiber Optic is where that battle is gonna be fought for them and the Government doesn't seem to care at this point which is sad because all they will be doing is wasting a massive amount of money with their broad band plan.
Depending on a persons download speed, physical memory will always exist. I have DSL, I'm thankful for physical memory.
I have variable speed wireless, I thank our non existent lord daily for the availability of physical media.
Disc Rot, imagine that on this expensive disk.
Yep, which is another reason digital downloads will eventually take over (maybe as not the only option, but the main). Physical media is not permanent. Disks have about a 10 year life span. Hard drives have about a 15 year span (disk platters). Ill be a sad panda when I am not able to pop in some of my old PS1 games and not have them play despite lack of scratches and such. Plus it is the only way game companies can really fight against the loss of profit from used game markets without upping costs.
Downloading extremely large files that are in the 50GB range or more is going to be difficult when you have major ISPs capping your bandwidth at an arbitrary number. Like Comcast at 250GB a month. They want to sell you faster and faster internet speeds, but then balk when you use them. Considering the range of options and the larger and larger field of data that is being supplied to us as end-users; this practice seems rather untenable to the marketplace. Especially, considering this method of data transmission is becoming like a second nature to us by and large.
thats like../calculator 50 MORE GBs THAN BEFORE
.. only thing is ... IT'S NOT. The calculator does not give you contents through its main memory.
All right. Imagine Uncharted 3 in that disc.
maybe on pS4 :) When the textures are even larger. on PS3 that would be some seriously long gameplay haha like 30 hours+
*Looks at RPG's* Yeah, they don't need 100GB. There is a point were so much space isn't needed for just game data but for streaming too, that's why the PS3 has a advantage when it only needs to stream data. Everything that normally would be packaged in the ram can be directly streamed to the VRAM and SPU's.
haha ya true, ok 100+ hours lol
know the sound when the clouds split and heaven is shown "haaaaaaaaaaa" that's what i heard in my head upon reading this title! 100GB?! Dayummmmmm!!! I can fit so much schoolwork, pictures, files etc and literally have 5 disks just chilling there, awesome for backups and tax info, anything!
the article says new hardware will be required to write & read therefore eliminating use on PS3. "To record and play BDXL discs you'll need new hardware, but BDXL specs allow for manufacturers to introduce machines that are backward compatible with older Blu-ray formats"
You would think they could come up with a way to make it playable in all older BD players
Finally prepping for the FF VII remake. The 1080p, the 120fps, the 3D, all on one disc. Ok it's not happening, but we can't let it go.
1080P, 120FPS in 3D? That's like 2160P, 240FPS in total because it renders 2 frames at a time. Time to invade NASA HQ to get some hardware..
as long as you meant 3840x1080p >.> , but then ideally the frames are from the same point of view but rendering two offset views of that one perspective not two fully distinct frames. and 120 frames per eye would be glorious.. I don't think even the TVs support that yet. Maybe in 5 years when all this BS is settled and there's call for true cinematic 2K3D gaming that's just shy, or 10 for consumer 4K3D gaming.
For those who doesn't know. The new bluray discs needs a new laser so obviously the ps3 or other bluray players can't use this disc yet. About implementing the new laser into the PS4 is very very likely. Digital distribution of games etc. won't take off 100% until 5, 10 years into the future whatever people may think. I also think you will see Microsoft bowing down to the masses and will be using the new bluray laser in their new xbox. Anything else would be plain stupid.
Microsoft could use it but they would then be giving money to Sony who are part of the Blue ray association. Also Sony could not give the permission to use it
Sony wants the money, whatever small part of it they'll get back. Sony would beg Microsoft to support bluray if it was about money.
they would probably loose more money if the let them. Having a better disk format is key for having the opportunity for making better games (more space)
But I would be much happier to see article about Blu Ray Drive speeds increasing versus more storage space on the disc.
The next generation consoles will likely have 1-2 Terra bytes hard drives mate.. Even tho digital distribution ain't likely to take off 100% for a long time, it will still start getting serious ahead of time.
I love to see new technology beeing developed and improved, no matter where it comes from. Its important. I expect the Blu-Ray format to be the standard for about 10 to 15 years more. In 2019 HVD (Holographic Versatile Disc) is planned to be released which has the capacity to hold up to 6 Terabyte of data. And I also believe that HVD will be featured in Playstation 5 (If that will be released) and the Xbox 1040 (Or whatever they are gonna name it). Microsoft will never be able to use Blu-ray in there consoles, cause that technology was developed by Sony, and anyone can realize that it would be retarded for Sony to release or sell it to Microsoft. They are both great companies though, with great hardware and software!
And Sony computers will never be able to use Windos operating systems because M$ won't want to give it to them. Grow up dude. This practice is illegal.
oh wow.but will this blu ray come into gaming?...im sure more space = higher cost,and higher cost = more expensive games...am i right?
actually, it shouldn't unless you have to buy different burners; if it can be achieved with a software update like Blu-Ray drives then it shouldn't be a problem. Who is that, Q-Tip from Quest?
oh ok I see,thanks!...If you mean my picture,that's me lol
It is magical!
All you need is RAM now
xdr ram, oh wait. . .
which is true. but I'd rather not consider what playstation 4 would cost if it had 8 gigs of ddr4, xdr3, at 3-5Ghz or whatever spec will be around in 2-5 years. But it would be nice to have more ram and not have to endure painful load times in the next generation because they planned ahead for a change. http://www.rambus.com/us/te...
wait so you need a new BLu-ray player for that ? LAME. But it will be nice tech next generation. Maybe I can even hope for 200gb blurays ?
Damn imagine all PS3 games started using these 100gb disks? It would be even more harder to port PS3 games to 360.. I wish they could utilise the PS3 more.. stop making them work for both consoles thats why PS3 games are being held from being better than they could be, with xbox having limitations making multi platform games have to suffer because of them.. I really hate that Rising is coming to Xbox because it will most certainly have an impact of the size and quality of the game on PS3.
The PS3 drive can't use these 100gb Bluray disks so your point is kinda moot.
Why cant it?
Can't wait for the TB bluerays. I have like 50 TB of porn to back up :(
loading times are actually caused first by the disc reading speed, but when files doesn't need to be compressed it saves some loading time and better image quality. I think that the HDTV's won't stop at 1080 of resolution with pc monitors going much more higher! when those tv's comes out, the need of a bigger bluray will be usefull. Download is just not an option to me. What if the psn network didn't exist anymore in a couple of years and was replace by another service? what would happen if your ps3 HDD broke and you want to download your games again that you paid for, but you can't since the service isn't working anymore? I like old stuff and collections, that's why digital download won't be an options for me. All the rare stuff we have doesn't have any value when your digital, everyone can have it! Maybe I sound a little materialist, but I like to have my cd, dvd or bluray's physical. and why are people complaning about the bigger size? don't you know that some of us got a bluray burner and video editing takes a LOT of place. If I want to give my video to someone, I can't giv them My HDD! a nice 100gb bluray does the trick!