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Would you be willing to pay even more for online play?

Gamer Syndrome: Now the above statement seems rhetorical, because as gamers, the prospect of having another layer of monetized gaming is out of the question.

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BuIIetproofish_5445d ago (Edited 5445d ago )

$50/year for a console is the most I will pay. I wouldn't be too bothered if Sony started charging the same. I will not pay for an individual game.

Joule5445d ago

Hell no i'm not paying extra.

Chubear5445d ago (Edited 5445d ago )

See, this is the BS that the 360 fanbase want as standard for the industry. They support paying for online in the hopes others start to charge for P2P online too so they can justify their stupidity for paying $250 this gen just to play their games online every year.

Disgusting the crap that is allowed to go on in the industry just to appease one fanbase.

I can clearly state, if Sony or PC games start charging for online I WILL NOT PAY A RED CENT. I'm a single player gamer first anyways but no way would I pay full price for a game if it had MP, only to pay another fee to access the content I already paid for on disc.

That's stupidity.

It's because of the 360 base that this is even a discussion. Argh, setting the gaming industry backwards, ticks me off to no end.

mrcash5445d ago

It has nothing to do with the fanbase, it's been a standard since the fisrt xbox. The reason peple don't have a problem paying for the service, is because they believe it's worth it.

Biggest5445d ago

Not true. What was the first console released in this current generation? Many people bought it because it was first. What happens when you have something that you want to use, but have to pay first and have no alternatives? You pay. What happens when all your friends have what you have and they're paying? You pay. What happens, regardless of how you feel about it, when you buy a multiplayer game and want to actually play it on the 360? You pay. There are many people that aren't taking full advantage of the "service" offered. They pay because they have to.

mrcash5445d ago

While the 360 may have been the first console out,but people were already paying for the online service on the original xbox. Which needless to say had significantly less features. People don't have to pay its an option considering there is another console with free online play. Look I don't like the fee, I mean who does? The reality is that it is a great service if you and a few people out there don't use all of the features provided, then that's also another conscious decision they are making just like paying. If it wasn't for the xbox we would probably still be stuck with the ps2 online interface which was lacking in every department.

badz1495445d ago

and paying for MMO is stupid! so, paying more to play a game I bought already online? HELL NO! the day Sony also charge for online play is the day I stop playing online on console!

jadenkorri5445d ago

is as far it goes. Personally anyone paying to play online is a idiot. When the xbox first launched with xbox live membership and having to pay to play online, the internet swarmed with anger and statement it would fail, well guess MS is laughing in your face and now sony and nintendo are on their way to getting their piece. Now activison is next in line. Can you imagine paying not only for xbox live, but to pay so much to play MW2, and how bout BC2, and halo, etc. If activision starts charging for MW2, it will be the fastest return I'll ever do, and I hope the fanbase does the same. If we all say no, it wont happen for future games. This issue is all about future gaming and we have to draw the line here and now, otherwise, every game that releases, not only are you paying for the game, you have to pay per month/year for just online of that game.

mrcash5445d ago

I don't think anyone would be willing to pay ontop of live to play a game, well not including mmos. I don't care what game it is i'm sorry it wont happen.

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nickjkl5445d ago

orly 100 dollars a month for internet is the most ill pay i need to be able to download and playonline without affecting anything

FanboysWillHateMe5445d ago

Whether they be monthly or yearly. I pay a ton more a month for PG&E, Comcast, Netflix, Gamefly, and my Chase credit card. When I look at all those bills (especially Chase haha), the estimated monthly cost of Live is nothing. Good for all of you people that have a PS3 and are content with that. However, I do have a 360 and most (actually, all) of my friends are on that service, so I pay. It's not like I enjoy paying 50 bucks, but I don't think it's that big of a deal, considering that you can get it for 40 bucks, which amounts to about $3.33 a month. I don't know where to get that deal, but even at 50 a year it's what a dollar more per month?

And honestly for me, the Xbox interface is a lot more convenient than the PS3 interface. It's just a lot easier to add friends and send messages and invite people and whatnot. If I had a choice I wouldn't pay it, but c'mon, we have more PS3 fanboys complaining about the Live fees than actual Live users haha. That's just my 2 cents though.

jadenkorri5445d ago (Edited 5445d ago )

im fine with people wasting their money on xbox live, personally I wouldn't complain as it wouldn't effect me, but its going to, thankfully psn premium is free online for now, but Robert Kotick is thinking of charging online for 1 game, if they start, just like Sony and Nintendo who are following suit to xbox live with PSN premium, and whatever nintendo's is gonna be called, so imagine, every fps/multiplayer game you have/we have started charging for online play, your 50 dollars a month just went higher. Is that something you can still justify paying for.

Oh please, the interface again, its the same as psn, its the opposite when navigating. And a shot at adding friends, well i just lol on that one as i think over the thought.

FanboysWillHateMe5445d ago

We pay for almost everything we use and consume. And if I am wasting my money on this, than I've wasted a ton more on other unnecessary things, such as subway sandwiches and mexican food when I have a ton of food at home. And nope, I find the 360 interface to be a lot more faster and convenient than the PS3's.

"And a shot at adding friends, well i just lol on that one as i think over the thought. "

Ok?

ThanatosDMC5445d ago

A sucker is born everyday after all.

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NothingToGainButLove5445d ago

I'm not paying anything except for my internet costs. That's final. Period.

Imperator5445d ago

No, the only reason I pay for XBL Gold is becuase I have to unless I don't want to play the multiplayer part (aka 50% of most 360 games) of games I already payed for. It's a rip-off but MS really gives you no choice. Either pay or you can't play the full game.

jadenkorri5445d ago

xbox live gold gets so many members, cause you have too. psn prem does not include online play, but I suspect one day it will, if not then I'm wrong, great, this issue i would not mind being wrong on, but I know for fact the next PS will charge for online.

mrcash5445d ago

I pay 40 a year, and nope I would not pay more.

tinybigman5445d ago

NO

I don't pay for Live, I sure as hell wouldn't pay for this.

Raz5445d ago (Edited 5445d ago )

Will I pay for online play? I'll let Tracy Morgan answer for me...

evilmonkey5015445d ago (Edited 5445d ago )

Pay more for what exactly? what service is offered that I should pay extra for? Is it those non-existing dedicated servers? What exactly do you plan on offering, Bobby, that I should shell out for? Sony allows me to play for free, on their network in which you have little to no say. Matchmaking servers using peer to peer is not in anyway whatsoever chargeable for. You offer me nothing additional and want me to pay you more for it? Go f%&k yourselves. I will never pay anyone to play my games on my internet through my peer to peer connections that you basically did nothing except design lobbies for. Microsoft live is a ripoff too. Seriously? pay you to use my internet? Pay you for the BUILT IN feature of playing others , over MY INTERNET? PAY YOU EVERY MONTH? Go f*&k yourself Microsoft. You will never fool me again. I will never buy a 6th xbox either! I don't care if you put a 300 year warranty on it.I'm sick and tired of you dicking me and millions of others. As for you Activision, go ahead...shoot yourselves in the face, because that's what you'll be doing. I already buy all your Call of Duty (s) used. You don't pay the dev...I don't pay you, publisher. Fix your image and start playing nice and just maybe you wont HAVE to charge to play your games online, because everyone will start saying NICE things about you instead.

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Gr815445d ago

Already pay Cablevision for Internet Access. I will not pay twice for that.

I understand economic times are very rough right now, but pleasing and accomodating the consumer should still be at the forefront of any business.

Pachter talking that bull shit about Activision charging consumers to play CoD online is ridiculous. You already bought the game, now you have to pay to unlock features already on the disc? Some people are such sheep, if they go along with these sort of practices.

Umbrella Corp5445d ago

I stopped gaming on live because money is tight,why pay for live when I own a PS3 and I can game online for free.I would love to pay for Playstation Plus but i need more games,you guys think Playstion Plus is worth the price tag if I subscribe today?I was already going to gamestop for the sale so....

deadreckoning6665445d ago (Edited 5445d ago )

If you usually buy alot of things from the PSN store, then yes, it is worth the money. If not, then you shouldn't buy it.

@sidar- Yea, that is pretty fishy. Live is virtually a neccesity if you own a 360. Why would you stop paying for that in order to pay for an optional service that doesn't provide any extra features for online play?

"Ive gotten close to 35 bucks of stuff free already in 1 month and this is stuff i wanted to buy lol!"

Thats the thg. Not everyone is like you. Personally, the only thing PSN Plus offers that I'm remotely interested in is Wipeout HD. And regarding your comment that PSN Plus offers more value than Live, that is SUBJECTIVE. Live STILL has plenty of core online gaming features that PSN doesn't have yet and for many people, this ALONE makes Live a better service that PSN Plus.

PSN Plus is pretty much one big sale that you have to spend a lot of money to take advantage of. I can't speak for anyone else, but all I want from PSN is to play online. I don't care about themes, minis, PSOne Classics, or PSN games.

ChickeyCantor5445d ago (Edited 5445d ago )

Ok, Not sure if im getting this...but
You stopped paying for live...because money is tight...but you dont mind paying for Plus.

I dont know but your story just sound fishy...

@below
I get that, but when money is tight its tight =P.

O and nothing beats "Love" hahah. ( your typo at the end)

SuperStrokey11235445d ago

It depends, PS+ gives you far greater value than live does. You get tonnes of free stuff with PS+, very little with live and you still get to play online.

Im not saying hes not trolling but for people like myself thats a no brainer as the value of PS+ is awesome. Ive gotten close to 35 bucks of stuff free already in 1 month and this is stuff i wanted to buy lol!

I just wish the had cross game chat, only think i miss on PSN compared to love.

BeOneWithTheGun5445d ago

You get a lot more than just online play with Plus. Not saying I am right but I think that is what he was asking. Indeed, if you do buy stuff from the Store, then Plus is worth it. I bought the 3 month subscription and with the mini's and WipeoutHD it already paid for itself.

Whackedorange5445d ago

Since online gaming on the Playstation is free i dont think that PS+ is worth it, sure you get 1 free game every month and extra discounts in the store but that is only valid as long as you are a subscriber to service.

I pay $25 each year to be playing online game on XBL but i only do that cause there is no other option if you wanna play your xbl games online.

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The Real Enemy of Gaming Isn’t DEI. It’s the CEO

From Horse Armor to Mass Layoffs: The Price of Greed in Gaming. Inside the decades-long war on game workers and the players who defend them.

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jambola4d ago

maybe a real enemy is people who use terms like "the real enemy"
there can be more than 1 bad thing, t's not like a kids show with 1 big bad

senorfartcushion3d ago

This is very much a “dummy who volunteers themselves to the middle” comment.

The real enemy is a common phrase, people use it all the time.

Calm down.

jambola2d ago

i'm very calm
you seem very upset however

Notellin2d ago

You don't seem calm at all. Don't take this so seriously, you seem desperate responding to others defending your opinion that lacks any value or critical thought.

jambola2d ago

stop projecting
i'm not desperately dong anything, i'm tapping at keys on my keyboard bud

PapaBop2d ago

It's not like kids show with one bad guy? I present to you.. Bobby Kotick

ABizzel12d ago (Edited 2d ago )

DEI was never the problem and it was an ignorant take to begin with.

DEI is why games like Kena Bridge of Spirits, South of Midnight, and Ghost of Tsushima exist.

DEI is why we have a huge resurgence in Japanese, Chineses, and Korean developers producing games like Stellar Blade, Black Myth, and why Nintendo & Sony exist.

DEI is why more and more games have HUGE accessibility options with both Sony and MS fully behind this.

DEI was never a bad thing, the entire purpose of DEI is representation of all people, genders, disabilities, etc…

The problem was people used DEI as a default derogatory term to describe what they believed was forced representation, which allowed colorist, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, and xenophobic fools to run away with the negative DEI narrative.

jambola1d 19h ago

you don't get to decide other people's motivations
sorry to break it to you

ABizzel123h ago(Edited 23h ago)

To each their own, however, nothing you said invalidates why some people take offense to DEI incorrectly.

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Sciurus_vulgaris4d ago

Executives seem to often have an obsession with perpetual revenue growth. There is always a finite amount of consumers for a product regardless of growth. Additionally, over investment is another serious issue in gaming.

Killer2020UK2d ago

The fact that they also rarely have any real expertise in game development compounds things. They'll look at what's been successful elsewhere, lack the knowledge to properly understand why they have been successful and then force a team to 'reproduce' their badly interpreted idea of that success.

We see it so often with sequels to games that were successful too. The team are left well alone, they have a break through hit and all of sudden the money men descend on the IP and completely railroad the dev team's ideas. Usually winds up being 'make the same game but MORE'

LoveSpuds2d ago

This is true throughout all of the corporate and public sector organisations to be honest. CEO's generally move amongst the corporate world without any need to have experience of a particular industry, they simply need to rely on their senior leadership credentials. A CEO of a retail giant will just as easily transition to a CEO role in the energy sector for example.

Not defending CEOs here to be clear, I think it's a huge part of the reason the western world is so fucked up. CEOs don't need to care about the sector they work in, in fact it's better if they don't care if they want to screw everyone to make profits.

GhostScholar2d ago

Companies don’t hire executives to break even. If the goal is breaking even then why start the company in the first place.

Soy2d ago

That's understood; it's getting record profits and expecting to always beat those record profits, and seeing anything less as a total failure. Then they lay people off and raise prices to reach those record profit levels again, just to sate shareholders. It's setting expectations way too high just to spike share prices, then inevitably falling short. It's feeling entitled to being more successful than everyone else. It's the CEOs doing all this to boost their own bonuses.

ABizzel12d ago

Growth benefits the company’s profits and therefore the company’s stock if publicly traded, which pleases the shareholders making them more and more rich, which is why Growth is always at the forefront of the vast majority of any publicly traded company.

More growth = More Money and the people at the top want all the money they can get. I can’t really blame them anyone would love to see their profits go from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, to multi-millions it’s almost like a gambling addiction.

But it also goes to show someone how morals can go out the window for a lot of these people, and how amazing some CEOs are when they catch this early and provide a balance solution that takes complete care of their employees across the board while keeping the business sustainable IE: Insomniac Games ALWAYS on the best places to work list. The rest of the industry could learn.

jambola4d ago

honestly, the "real" enemy of gaming, is ourselves
if nobody bought horse armor, shitty dlc would have died almost overnight
if we stood firm and nobody bought games from companies that were bad with layoffs, it would be solved
we're the idiots supporting awful business practices, we are the ones enouraging it

TiredGamer3d ago

I think the reality that we don't want to convince ourselves of is that without the rise of "horse armor" and DLC, game budgets would have essentially stagnated (smaller teams/smaller games), or game prices would have risen much more dramatically than they have. There was an incessant drive for bigger worlds, infinite detail, and hundreds of hours of "gameplay" over the last two decades, that while perhaps a natural evolution of things, needed a suitable funding stream to accomplish.

HyperMoused2d ago

What...CEOs make tens of millions and that doesnt include SLT etc etc...we now have multiple editions of games, in game currency, MT's, battle passes.....and what do we get..worse game than what was coming out 20 years ago....dont drink the cool aid, its this nickel and dime crap that is absolutely leading us to gaming destruction.

senorfartcushion3d ago

This is the worst possible answer to this conundrum. Blaming the masses is blaming the only people who are constantly “told” to buy.

Consumers are the only ones not to blame here. People make their own choices all the time. Disney movies are bombing and DEInis being blamed. Has that been enough to put Disney out of business? No and it never will.

Christopher3d ago

Disagree. Businesses are able to do what they do because people are bad consumers and don't think critically about purchases. Disney got away with doing shit stuff for years and it's just the last year where people got tired of it. It's not like it didn't work for 5 years or so for Disney to do the things they've done. They'll just move onto another way to get people to see movies and it will be just as bad but more profitable until people wake up and realize it.

TiredGamer2d ago

Consumerism drives business behavior. It's not so much "blaming" as it is observing behavior. The point I'm making is that the direction that games have gone are driven by the spending. Consumers are spending on DLC and they are driving the expectation of more glitz and padded out (lengthier) games. If they continue to pay, they will continue to drive that direction until a threshold is reached that forces a change in behavior.

senorfartcushion2d ago

Corporate advertising is the most powerful force on the planet.

This is N4G for god sake, every day there are arguments between people who are Team Xbox and Team PlayStation because they’ve been convinced that having an identity built on paying money to Sony and Microsoft matters more than having one as individual gamers who can play whatever they want.

And THEN we get to the corporate advertising part: to play whatever you want is to sink MORE into the advertising pits, making it so that you can more than one specific product.

jambola2d ago

ah you're right
they were told to buy it, it's clearly impossible to avoid that
if enough people stopped supporting, it would stop
disney not stopping would only be because enough people didn't stop

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victorMaje2d ago

Agreed. I’ve been saying for years, announce you won’t be buying the upcoming game because of the practices of the previous game, then you only have to stick to your guns once, see how quickly things change for the better.

We have to unite in what we shouldn’t purchase.

jambola2d ago

just imagine a world, fifa came out worse, nobody buys the next one until they see proof it's better and stick to it
or games being forced online for single player and nobody buys it
things would change so fast

HyperMoused2d ago

Just like scooby doo, you have shown us the real monsters are us

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Inverno3d ago

Greed and greedy people have and always will be the main issue for everything wrong in the world. Everything is a product to be exploited for monetary gain. Even when there are things that could help progress us along for the sake of making our lives easier that thing must be exploited for monetary gains. Anything that tells you otherwise is propaganda to make you complicit.

coolfool3d ago

I've never thought "DEI" (although the way most people use it doesn't match it's real definition) is the problem with games. Good games have continued to be good when they have a diverse cast, and likewise, bad games have continued to be bad. There isn't a credible example I've seen where a diverse cast has been the direct cause of a game being bad.

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