Xbox 360 Slim Beats PS3 Slim in Heat Tests Multiple Times

B. Thompson: "After doing a test to compare both the PS3 and new Xbox 360 S model two weeks ago, we got a lot of feedback that was both positive and negative. More than a few emails and comments criticized our choice to use a 160 GB PS3 (fat) model in our tests instead of using the newer slim model. In order to ensure the test did offer consistent and precise results, we decided to have both Craig Hasselback and myself (The Brandon Arthur Thompson Esquire) handle five separate tests over a week’s time. The goal was to determine whether or not the results were in fact flawed and also to see if a different outcome would come about using the newer PS3 slim."

[ReBurn]

It's good to know that heat from the internal components in both the 360 and the PS3 has been dealt with in the redesigned models. I find it frustrating that the costly launch models of the 360 and PS3 experienced heat-related issues they way they did, regardless of which one was worse.

I think that people can now feel better about their new console purchases, regardless of what consoles they choose to buy.

And remember to provide proper ventilation, no matter what.

EDIT: Looks like there are people who believe that the article somehow discredits Sony, but it doesn't. Personally I find it good that a console would shut itself down rather than just sit there and fry. But I guess some people just can't get beyond that. The PS3 turning itself off first doesn't indicate a problem. To me it indicates a great design decision on Sony's part.

Both redesigns are good for the industry and will keep people interested for longer, translating into more games to play.

[FangBlade]

No charts, no pics, no data, nothing.
How can we know these tests are for real?

[wazzim]

lol

[astar123456789]

well said, look and one prints money to, with out facts then this is lame and it should never have been put up, but then again is N4G this is a joke any way

[Folezicle]

And also Sony win at anything

[iFLOWLIKEWATER]

urn Rubber!

[ExplosionSauce]

I don't know whether to trust gofanboy.com or not. Their history isn't the greatest. Although it'd be nice if true.
But like FangBlade said, there's no data or evidence this actually happened.

[Pennywise]

gofanboy.com is the absolute LAST site I would ever take any kind of information from. Think about it.

[D4RkNIKON]

till I see some proof, I will file this under gofanboy.com Bullsh**

[Trebius]

It's too little too late ...

Maybe they should've released a GOOD 360 the first time around instead of waiting til NOW.

[zootang]

So this proves that the PS3 can handle heat better?

[Menech]

Lol am sure if the results had a been the other way, the same people saying there is no proof but be acting like melodramatic lady boys going "shake my head Microsoft"

I mean looking at the design of the new 360s it's easy to see it has better ventilation then the PS3 slim, cry about it all you want doesn't change facts.

[NeoBasch]

What I don't get is why the headline makes this article out to be as if Microsoft has finally conquered Sony. I mean, really, they're comparing the 360 S to the PS3 Phat. Not a real fair comparison, considering that you should only be comparing recent products: Xbox S vs. PS3 Slim. Besides, who cares, as long as the systems don't shut down prematurely and can handle moderate heat from 5-7 hour gaming sessions, then I'm not too worried. Anything beyond that doesn't matter to me. It's good enough.

[morganfell]

They are already flawed because the writer fails to comprehend that giving off less heat in no way equates to the ability to tolerate the heat produced by the unit itself. The original 360 didn't produce a great amount of heat and yet it couldn't tolerate that little degree.

Try sticking them both in an enclosed space...

Look at the history of these retards from goawayfanboy. Remember this idiotic article?

http://n4g.com/news/559046/...

Android is the platform of choice for Sony. Look at the Xperia X10. I think these morons create articles in the same manner in which the Weekly World News generates headlines such as "Baby with Alien Head Wins NACAR Race!" Their articles are nothing more than random words on squares of paper drawn from a hat and asssembled into a sentence. Same with gofanboy articles.

And BTW, it's easy top watch them lean...

[Folezicle]

Wow you guys are not open-minded, I hope you understood I was joking. Kids need to grow up

[Jack Klugman]

morgan: you mad? you sound mad. you always seem to have big problems and voice all your concerns when the ps3 is on the short end.

the ps3 heats up quicker and shuts itself off while you can continue to play the 360s.. just accept it.

[Newtype]

well yeah, sony has a deal with Google at the moment. droid on their bravias, most likely their phones next.

[morganfell]

It will be interesting to see what the rest of the Sony/Google deal provides when the details are shaken loose.

[yippiechicken]

Now THAT would have been a hell of a race to watch!

:)

[Kill Crow]

reminds me of the time Darkride44 did some namby metacritic comparison and didn't show any working whatsoever, a ps3 fan boy posting ps3 fanboy news ... lol ... swings and roundabouts

[Cherchez La Ghost]

The air vent is right over the motherboard. MS should have done that from the beginning since you have most gamers who can go for hours on their consoles.

[masterofpwnage]

is the worst site for this kind of information. not reliable.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Because is GoFanboy.

The articles from them always are flamebait and don't have evidence. And always is reported.

[sikbeta]

Come On PEOPLE!!! Don't you SEE THERE?

this is an "article" if anyone dare to call article to the piece of garbage coming from gofanboy.com, the Worst flamebait nonsense "articles" come from that site, remember this:

http://n4g.com/news/559710/...

BAN this site, NOW!!!

[HolyOrangeCows]

Even if it is true...who cares? With the 360S's weak X-clamp and such, it doesn't NEED as much heat to have problems.

[GWAVE]

So now hardware reliability matters all of a sudden, when before it was "Oh, the hardware is crap but 360 has teh best games!!!"

Not that I trust any test conducted by Gofanboy anyway, but...

[pustulio]

PS3 fanboys are hilarious.

You always lose ALWAYS and ALWAYS come up with lame excuses.

I really don't care wich one heats faster my both consoles are well ventilated and none of them haved ever RROD or YLOD.

[OSU_Gamer]

Lol at all the people asking for charts, pics and data. I agree that I don't trust them because none of this is shown, but if this was the same article talking about how the PS3 beats the 360 in heat tests, no one would be asking for those thing.

Edit:

Seriously...lets be honest at least.

[Dee_91]

if it came from a more trusted site we would believe it

but thats the site that said gt5 failed because of forza 3
anything they say is invalid to me
i didnt even click the link

[theonlylolking]

because a person on the internet told us so.

[jakethemuss]

This site placed the ps3 in a sauna and it never shutdown. I have never seen a ps3 shutdown due to heat issues.

[CrIpPeN]

I agree

[HDgamer]

The site is named gofanboy. So you should believe it just like you should believe in the US economy to get better by the end of the day. /s

[Heisenberg]

Than back the data up... Show us. Otherwise it's just hearsay from a site called gofanboy.

[llMurcielagoll]

It is really simple FangBlade, just act like a crazed Xbox fanboy who really hates anything that is not xbox 360 lol xP

[AngryTypingGuy]

"No charts, no pics, no data, nothing.
How can we know these tests are for real?" -- I bet you guys would have an easier time believing the results if they favored Sony, but apparently you guys simply refuse to believe this article because it actually says something good about Xbox.

[Spydiggity]

funny...i'd think any site with the word fanboy in the title would appeal greatly to the masses on n4g.
@typingguy: EXACTLY

[Montrealien]

more importantly, how does the 1 bubble get a well said with 124 agree, and and 4 bubble ReBurn's fair and unbiased comment get 44 agrees.

strange things are afoot on N4G.

anyways, Well said reburn.

+bubbles

[PLAYstar]

Even if it does.. So? The 360s still bricks regularly.

[AngryTypingGuy]

That's weird PlayStar, mine doesn't. From what I hear, the PS3 has its fair share of bricking too.

[Shepherd 214]

Im willing to bet that people like you wouldnt except the truth even if this was published by IGN, EGM, GameInformer, etc.

[Bloodraid]

Even if there are no pics data or anything that proves these tests to be true, what difference does it make?

Does the fact that the PS3 gets hotter than the 360 affect the games that are produced for it or something? Or maybe it has something to do with the failure rate of the console?

[evrfighter]

wow it seems the only people affected by this news are the ps3 fanboys.

Ps3 & 360 gamers don't care. 360 fanboys aren't really taking this news as smoking gun news I just see them poking fun at the other camp. Yet the ps3 fanboy's are acting as if the world is ending.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Commodore64, great comment!

[ReBurn]

That's what I take away from it. I think that most reasonable people would, but unfortunately too many will only read the title and assume Sony bashing.

I think it's good that Sony isn't taking chances with the heat and shuts the system down before damage can occur. But it's also good that new 360's will shut themselves down to self-preserve, too.

[Menech]

To be honest no most reasonable people would see the PS3 slim has way less ventilation just looking at the design tells you that.

Thus the PS3 slim got hotter quicker and shut it's self down to prevent damage which is a good thing but it doesn't change the fact the PS3 gets hotter quicker.

Maybe you should try taking you fanboy goggles off from time to time the world you live in may make more sense.

Edit: And the people disagreeing are complete and utter morons, go look at how many air vents your beloved PS3 slim has in comparison to the 360s.

[ReBurn]

If you would please clarify, am I a PS3 fanboy or a 360 fanboy? Because I think that I was saying that the redesigns are good for both 360 and PS3 when it comes to heat management.

And just so everyone will know, what is the internal temperature that the each console must reach before it shuts itself down? And how long will it run at that temperature before doing so? Are the redesigned consoles built to shut down at exactly the same internal temperature?

I don't think I'm the one with fanboy goggles on. But it might just be the goggles preventing me from seeing that, so perhaps you are correct.

[logikil]

@ReBurn

When I read the comment I wasn't sure who he was calling a fanboy either. Frankly I still can't figure it out. In any event I thought your post was neutral and very welcome. Having both a new 360 and a PS3 slim, I think both redesigns are great and look good sitting side by side.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

LOL @ calling ReBurn OF ALL PEOPLE, a fanboy.

Everyone is just in ATTACK mode when an opinion doesn't match their own. What happened to meaningful discussion?

[IcarusOne]

When has there ever been "meaningful discussion" on n4g?

[joydestroy]

i think the majority are looking at this article wrong. instead of looking at it as a "PS3 vs Xbox" article, what this really sheds some light on is the fact that M$ FINALLY made a reliable console lol

[cliffbo]

@ReBurn

actually its the 360s that shuts down not the ps3 the ps3 spins the fan faster to dissipate the heat but this rarely happens.

incidentally the power brick on the 360s also has a shut down feature.

[Statix]

We STILL aren't even sure Microsoft has finally put out a working piece of hardware.

Just because they compared old PS3's they had lying around to brand-new Xbox 360 S's that they just recently bought, is no indicator that the new 360's are reliable in the LONG TERM. LONG TERM reliability is what matters here; the Xbox 360 S is still newly manufactured hardware, only a month old. What happens if in a year, many 360 S's start dying after some long-term, extended use?

The more I think about it, the biased this GoFanboy "study" is. They're probably so biased, that they used old PS3 Slims they had lying around, and compared it with BRAND NEW Xbox 360 S's that they just bought last month or less.

Now even if you are a PS3 hater, you try to tell me with a straight face that that's even remotely a fair test/comparison.

[aaronisbla]

i cant ever recall ReBurn being a fanboy of any side, Menech on the other hand is

[darx]

Hardcore Sony fans need to get a life. To actually care which system handles the heat better is beyond me.

[MysticStrummer]

LOL It's the MS fans that are driving this article, so who cares more about the heat issue? It should be the MS fans, since MS waited for this generation to be about 3/4 of the way done to release a console that can handle it's own heat.

[Statix]

This article wasn't done by "Hardcore Sony fans." It was done by the writer who is probably an Xbox fan (look at his past articles).

This test is probably so biased, that they took old PS3 Slims they had lying around that are probably several months old, and compared it to brand-new Xbox 360 S's that they bought last month or less. So freaking BIASED.

[Socrates]

"It's the MS fans that are driving this article"

Really? I see about 85% PS3 fanboys in this article. So I'd say it is being driven by PS3 fanboys who can't stand that the results were favorable for the 360.

[MRMagoo123]

waaaaaaaa! there are ps3 fans waaaaaa! why wouldnt there be its the best console out its makes sense there would be fans shut up crying about and it gtfo

[Pistolero]

the ps3 fans act like a-holes though...that is the problem.
the wii and 360 fans are not nearly as hateful and irrational as ps3 fans....so go cry in a corner because you ps3 fans make such a bad name for yourself....you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

[Lyr1c]

Are you serious? Now I'm not one to pick fights...but...That is probably the most idiotic thing ANYONE has posted under this article....

Nintendo fanboys are probably the least aggressive, Sony fanboys can act like a$$holes sometimes, but Microsoft's fanboys are the most childish, ignorant, offensive people on the internet. Ok, if there's an article demeaning Sony, then yes, Sony fanboys will reply negatively but when you look at the other side, its much, much worse. Microsoft fanboys will bash anything positive about Sony, including games, deals, new features, ANYTHING. You don't see Sony bashing anything positive about the xbox do you? They simply point out it's flaws and call a faulty article when they see one.

Don't lie to yourself. It'll only make you more ignorant.

[darx]

I own all 3 and Sony fannies by far are the worst of the 3!

[mac_sparrow]

heat can definitely be an issue but outside factors contribute too. I was using my PS3 yesterday in a 32 degrees C room. It was on for approximately 9 hours non stop as I downloaded some files, watched a movie, and then played online with a friend.
The air coming out of the back could have grilled a chicken but the gameplay never suffered for a second.

Not saying they don't over heat but that's damn good going in my eyes

[moparful99]

My slim has never overheated and shut iteself off. So I dont know how they got those results.. My older launch 60g was really prone to overheating this past year because of how much dirt had accumulated inside of the machine.. I took it apart and cleaned it all out and it made a big difference..

[OSU_Gamer]

wrong spot

[evilmonkey501]

I laughed at that in the ARTICLE! The ps3 shuts itself off sooner at a lower temperature as not to damage it internally. I will take Sony designed hardware over Microsoft designed hardware any day.

[gatormatt80]

The four 360 S models were either brand new or just a few weeks old. How old were the PS3 slims, because they have been redesigned again inside with smaller components, were they brand new also ??

[pixelsword]

I don't trust gofanboy.com, especially for their hugely flaming articles, so just mark this articla as fake and wait until a neutral site conducts the test.

[gtamike]

but yet 360 is more likey to die first.
odd the new 360 still gets RROD (Red dot)

[pixelsword]

The article is stating that the PS3 slims shutdown first when heated up; shutting down first isn't an indicator of anything.

As a matter of fact, from either article they never actually stated that they ran the 360 slims until they shut down, they just say the PS3 shut down first, and from this article that the fat 360 RRoD'.

If people buy off of this article and the article is wrong, they might be sued, and N4G will have the article's gist on record.

[n4gno]

"I find it frustrating that the costly launch models of the 360 and PS3 experienced heat-related issues they way they did, regardless of which one was worse. "

Lol, kotaku can't do better to ignore that xbox had/has (?) real (the biggest of all time) problem, ps3, just nothing more than anything in electronic.

[NYPunkster]

What was the total percentage given for Xbox RROD....something like 54% ??? I would hope they'd try and do something about it with the Slim.

[P1NKY]

The Xbox 360 S should beat the PS3 Slim in heat tests simply because the Power Supply is built in on PS3 whereas it's external on Xbox. Power Supplies usually get pretty hot anyway so even though the PS3 Slim gets hotter. The fact that it also has the Power Supply built-in to a confined slim model and still manages to keep itself cool enough means that the Cooling system has been very well designed.

I would like to know why Microsoft chose to keep the Power Supply external instead of making it internal. Either they couldn't fit it into the case properly without having to change the design, or it made the console get too hot.

Main thing is that the cooling system in both consoles does it job well.

[Foliage]

This is nothing to be proud of. The 360 is notoriously bad at knowing how to shut itself off before becoming damaged. You don't have to look further than the RROD (largest failure rate in electronics history without a recall) to see that. Heck, they even got a Red Ring in the tests...

The problem with the 360 is that it doesn't allow it's heat to escape. Granted the new ones should be better at this, since it's a ripoff of the PS3 design with a comical amount of vents on it, but we all know the issues are still there. even without a red LED.

And as P1NKY described, the power supply is internal on the PS3. Did they include the xbox power supply in their enclosed space? Doubtful.

[kparks]

nowhere in the article did the guy doin the test bash the ps3 or 360... so the ps3 shuts off sooner to stop it from overheating big deal who the heck is goin to put there console in a closed cabinet for days and not turn it off anyway!! every one needs to stop the crying.. all this did was prove the old 360's were crap and we allready knew that!!! whats funny is they started with 5 of each and ended with 9 lol

[SaberEdge]

Guys, they are both good consoles. Quit getting your panties in a bunch every time something comes along that isn't completely pro-PS3 and anti-360.

I find it hilarious that some people were willing to jump on the bandwagon of claiming the 360 had a 56% failure rate based on nothing but a random poll without any evidence to support it, yet now when a test was conducted 5 different times you are demanding proof. Can you say hypocrisy?

What proof could they possibly give? Charts? You would just say the charts were fabrications that had nothing to do with reality. Video? It could never show the consoles running long enough and you would just say it was faked.

[BARF]

I traded in my fat ps3 for a slim about a week ago. My slim get so hot I thought something was wrong, so i took it back and got a new one. You know what??? It gets just as hot. The ps3 slim gets hotter than my xbox elite. I don't know why you sony idiots are so butthurt for. If you got to the forums on ps3.com there are a lot of threads about the ps3 slim basically being an oven.

sony elitists are such a sad group. Do any of you actually play your games? Or are you all too busy being a part of the online defense force? Considering most of the games you boast have sorry weak communities, I will say it's the 2nd.

[avengers1978]

PS3's still have a lower rate of failure, and no one can say that the new 360/s RRoD's anymore or anyless than previous versions, it is far to early to tell, the machine has only been out for 2 weeks.

[GunShotEddy]

ItOs about time! Might be worth picking up now.

[raWfodog]

As a gamer, this is great news. My 360 does not get that much play time because I'm always afraid of RROD. Maybe I'll pick the slim up in 2011.

[GameOn]

Would be nice to see their data but there you go.

[PITTBULL83]

I did my own basic comparison and it's true.

BE A GAMER NOT A HATER

[evilmonkey501]

Yes, we all know the xbox gets hotter than the ps3. Did you even read the article? I personally would prefer a device that shuts itself off at a lower temperature and reboots than a higher temperature tolerance that melts the solder right from under the processor/ graphics chip.

[PITTBULL83]

does anyone care to elaborate on their disagrees or are they just phantoms because it seems the majority of the people on this site can't discuss things like civilized human beings.

BE A GAMER NOT A HATER

[BeaRye]

Just nice to see two solid consoles. Not running down the Wii, but the 360 and PS3 are more important to me. Happy that the 360 is finally reliable.

[sGIBMBR]

lol, wow look at your disagrees for a simple non-bias statement. Just because your not offending the 360 or blowing the trumpet of the ps3, you get disagrees

Sony Fantards at their finest here folks!

[moparful99]

Whoa slow your role.. Your labeling everyone who disagree's as sony fantards? It's people like you ruining this site.

[MRMagoo123]

you ever thought maybe its the inbred 360 owners disagreeing with him ???

[sGIBMBR]

Why would 360 fans be disagreeing with him?

I'm sorry, but it is very evident that whenever someone says something positive about the 360 they get tons of disagrees and whenever they slag it off they get countless agrees.

Are you telling me you don't notice this to?

I can show you numerous articles where this is happening if you want?

[astar123456789]

it could be true and yes it would be good, yes its about time they did something right it took a long time. but come on its newer then the ps3 slim i would be a big let down if it wasn't cooler then it

[BeaArthur]

As long as they don't overheat and break I could give a sh!t.

[Petro89]

The 360 has that external power brick which gets really hot.

With the PS3, that power unit is built in so it's a no brainer really.

[Wikkid666]

The external doesn't even get warm... it has it's own fan.

[mac_sparrow]

which kind of (in a roundabout fashion) validates Petro's point. A lot of the heat never enters the console.

Its a catch 22 situation as less heat inside the console is good, but having 2 items to need to ventilate is not.

[evilmonkey501]

exactly

[Arnon]

You still have two items being ventilated whether it's the PS3 or the 360. The only difference is that one is external, while the other is built into the console. How do you think power sources work with PCs?

[mac_sparrow]

i was talking about the external supply as an extra heat source externally. Strange that.

I'm well aware that the PSU has its own ventilation, having built computers, fixed PS3's and oh I don't know, looked at it.

However the point remains that on a 360 there is an extra source of heat that needs its own airspace in addition to that around the console.

I didn't think what I said was hard to follow, nor did I think it was favouring one system as I said it's a catch 22.

And this is not intended as a slight against your intelligence, as I'm sure the "how do you think power sources work with PC's?" was not; but careful, some round here take offence easily and like to quiet people who actually debate.

[Dannehkins]

There is no data! How the hell can you confirm this? This is a terrible article. I could quite easily write an article stating the same thing, but this time the PlayStation 3 beats the Xbox 360. Do you see what I mean? No data, no evidence. The reliability of this article and of the website should be really put into question here.

[GameOn]

Even if there was data, people could still say it was just made up. They should have published their data though.

[evilmonkey501]

what data? they stuck consoles in closed entertainment centers.

[chakan]

The site's name is gofanboy.

Lmfao...no. A site with a name like that is not to be taken seriously.

No data, no graphs, no evidence. And yet it gets approved.

Gotta love N4G.

[MexicanAppleThief]

My point exactly. How on earth can this site be trusted?

[chakan]

This is why N4G is considered a joke my friend. We have people who should have their approvals revoked for approving flamebait and yet nothing gets done.

[msbabie20034]

hey man i know you have had ylod before so i wanted to ask someone that hopefully would give me a straight answer. anyways the last little while i been playing my ps3 a lot. its an 80 gig 2 usb port model.

after a while of gaming, and sometimes after just start up and loading a game it freezes. not everytime but pretty often. is there like "symptoms" that happen with the ps3 before a hardware failure, or what?

i had warning before one rrod, it would stick and freeze up before that 360 red ringed. i was wandering if ylod is the same way. i would ask sony, but i'm sorry their customer service blows.

anytime i have a question i ask them and i get " send it in for repair" not a simple explanation of this problem. i have my ps3 horizontal, and on top of a dresser so ventilation is not a problem. room stays between 70-75 at most.

if you could help it'd be very appreciated. i may call the place i got it from and see if my warranty is still valid. just concerns me, as my old 40 gig only froze once.

edit um ok i seen ukilnme post right above me a min ago where did it go?

[moparful99]

Unffortunately your syptoms are in regards to overheating but like I discovered with my launch 60g its because you probably have a large amount of dust built up inside the unit. I took mine apart and cleaned it all out but I wouldnt reccomend doing that. I actually screwed up my blu ray drive when I did it. What you should do is get some compressed air and try your best to blow the system out via the vents. Also take your hard drive out and blow some air through there.. If it doesnt help you may have to send it to sony so they can do it so you dont lose your ps3.. Thats the caveat of these uber powerful consoles, all of that heat has to be dealt with which means fans that suck air in as well as dust..

[ukilnme]

I keep PS3 60 gig unit flat in a wide open/well ventilated area. I had no warning signs, it just died on me. Dust may have been the problem. I kept the outside of the unit really clean but I never cleaned out the inside. $157 dollars later (refurbished replacement unit), I have learned my lesson. I clean the inside out on a bi-weekly basis now exactly the way that moparful99 explained. I hope that keeps my unit running clean.

[bjornbear]

i don't say its not possible, but this site has no technical credibility, and until proven otherwise, I won't consider this as proof =/

still, who cares Im sure by now neither are prone to over heating unless you are HORRIBLE at console maintenance.

unfounded + flame bait = lowest point of N4G

[Fishy Fingers]

As it needs to, the PS3 has shown to deal with it's heat output well, where the 360 clearly hasn't, this should eliminate most of the RROD worries. Obviously keeping the power brick helps, PSUs develop a great deal of heat.

[zeksta]

Honestly, who approves idiotic articles like this, the people here at N4G (or Atleast fanboys) shouldn't be allowed to decide this kinda stupidity coming from a website called "GoFanboy"... Seesh.

[Dannehkins]

They should have their contributing allowances removed in my opinion.

[bobrea]

This will be good to know incase I decide that I only want to take ONE console into my oven for some gaming.

[Smootherkuzz]

Oh No This Can't Be!!!!!!, This can't be True,Good news? What? Somebody has to be telling a lie,how come we couldn't get this kind of console from the start,this can't be true or is it?

[krisprolls]

Damage control ?

One console is plagued by RROD (the 360), the other one is rock solid (PS3).

I'll keep my reliable PS3, thanks.

[jneul]

no charts, no facts , no evidence!!

[midgard227]

even if it is a better built system it wont change the fact that it took them 5 years to make a system that works, it doesnt change the fact that millions and millions of 360's had RROD, error e47's, hard drive problems, disc read problems and the still persisting Disc scratching problem.

so many people have gone thru 2-5 or more xbox's. me personally have had zero RROD's but thats cuz i dont use it in fear it will RROD in the summer.

to little to late MS

[telekineticmantis]

I have a friend that almost never turns his PS3 off. Their talking about a few hours. Cut it out why are they doing these tests when there are people who have these systems at home and know your lying. GoFanboy needs to up his troll skills.

[yewles1]

Hey, if they can pull up baseless stuff like this and be immediately approved, then I can pull up this "counter fact" be disagreed and reported to hell on high warter.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[flyingmunky]

After reading the article its looks like these guys basically did like a 'backyard' experiment. There is no hard data because they didn't take any, they didn't even place a thermometer into the cabinet they were testing out of so they did not know the final temperature at system shutdown. They probably also did not place the power brick from the 360s in the cabinet with the system. They also didn't even give you how many cubic feet of space the systems were tested in.

One thing I would like to see is some pictures taken from each system in the infrared spectrum. I will bubble up anyone with links to said pictures.

EDIT: Now that I think of it I would have done several things differently. The main thing though we be the addition of electronic thermometers to give hard data. I would have drilled a hole into the case of the unit to give a sort of internal reading on air temp. Also place one inside the cabinet but external to the case of the system; maybe even two to try to account for convection currents in the air flow. Having both readings external and internal to the system would give a good indication as to how well the systems are at dumping heat. Take measurements at either 5min or 1min increments depending on the rate of temperature increase. Finally you would have good hard data to compute some pretty excel graphs and whatnot. Also you could try different environments for the systems, with or without power bricks etc etc.

At any rate if I had shelled out for several test systems I would have be a bit more analytical about my methodology.

[tiamat5]

As usual these sites credit Microsoft without proof. They insist you take their word for it. I wouldn't be so skeptical if they had some form of evidence to back up their claims. It's just like people claiming the Kinect works perfectly with no lag but not a single video that proves this. I am a reasonable person. Show me proof and I will back off

[thehitman]

No surprise from where its coming from either.

"After putting the consoles in barely ventilated cabinets, the tests finally “heated up”. In every slim model tests, the PS3 models shutdown first. This occurred multiple times as we tested each pairing three times. This doesn’t mean the PS3 models are faulty by any means. It simple means they’re designed to shutdown at a lower temp or possibly they heat up faster. Even after multiple tests in identical situations with high temp exposure, not a single console showed any sign of damage after rebooting. The “fat” models however were a much easier test in terms of time and results. The PS3 160gb won this test in under five hours. Sadly the 360 Premium (fat model) was under able to reboot as we got red ring and boxed that one up."

So.... shutting consoles in a cabinet is suppose to accurately tell which 1 generates more heat?? Then they said the ps3 won the test so how does the 360 win?? No measuring devices used or stats or anything. Did these guys ever attend school and learn how to setup an experiment??

[zeeshan810]

This news is from a Xbox 360 fanboy. -_-
No Chart, Not test results? FAKE

[Bebedora]

Congrats Microsoft. It's far and between, but sometimes you just have to shape up or quit. Good for consumers. I have to give a cheer to those stupid enough buying that piece of crap for so long. Finally MS did the right thing.

This is like Windows XP SP2.

[Gue1]

Of course the PS3's going to get hotter, the thing has the power supply integrated and that's what causes the most heat while the X360 S still has an external power brick... @_@

[ClownBelt]

I see...the bots are still grasping for straws.

[Garnett]

Looks like the Droids are mad.

[tomisnever]

Well i just conducted my own test at home and i can tell you that they both lasted 400 hours before shutting down. Of course i have no pictures, data or any proof for that matter but your just going to have to take my word for it, after all i am a completely credible source.

Sarcasm aside, gofanboy is one of the worse sites that get approved here, i don't know why anyone listens to them. Most of the time the articles read like they were written by a 12 year old fanboy who can't even format pictures without stretching them. Maybe this whole thing is true but I'm not believing it based of reading this article.

[Newtype]

If this ps3 fat heating is an issue...why has mine been on almost 10 hours straight everyday? i got a fat, and ive never had heating issues.

[X-Dominicankid-X]

i have a 80gb s3 and play for about 14 hours straight

[joypads]

does that mean the xb360 is now reliable & wont breakdown ? or is it just a useless test by some none popular website in order to get more hits ?

[nex]

360 has power brick

[SSKILLZ]

wow desperate enough!

[wissam]

LOL. yeah I believe that. from rrod to the most reliable console ever made.
and what web site again. those how said few days ago gt5 failed thanks to forza 3.

[Jason143]

Wheres the results for which one ran god of war 3 better?

[Stationfan]

Let's not forget that 360 has that brick which bet if they would of made internal would make it run hotter

[gamingisnotacrime]

the PS3 Slim is a heat monster inside that clam shell design. I have a nice fan next to it on vertical position and that gets the job done, otherwise the heat build up is way too much

[A LIVING LEGEND]

My own 'heat test(s)' produced very different results......only one console survived,sadly.
Of course,results may vary.

[SignifiedSix]

Lol, if you have a PS3 slim and a 360 Jasper SKU, you can clearly feel that the 360 runs a lot cooler. I touch my 360 after i have it on for hours and it still feels like i just turned it on, but when i touch my cousins PS3 Slim after an hour of operation, its hotter than hell. That's the outcome of having your external power supply!

[benandlol]

Didn't you hear? No one gives a shit.

[xtremeimport]

cool...how about adding the external power bricks heat to the overall temp.

[bviperz]

Why is this even news?

[DelbertGrady]

It's nice to know that it's not as poor quality as the PS3 Slim.

[strickers]

First time in ages a 360 fanboy gets to say that their console is cooler than PS3.
The PS3 has always been better built and better hardware design,to suggest anything else is idiotic.

[Jihaad_cpt]

It's probably because the PS3 blows the heat over the power supply then out. I didn't realise they put the power supply inside the new Xbox. Think long and hard before replying...

[DuneBuggy]

Thre is some hypocracy afoot here. I recall a few articles based off some U tuber claiming his 360S died, and certain people didnt question the validity of it.
Now we have this article, and people want stats and figures.
Whats silly though is nothing got bashed in this test...Except maybe the older SKU 360 which died.
What I get from this is a PS3 or new 360 properly ventilated, shouldnt have a overheating issue and both manufactuers put in failsafes in case this was to happen.

[pinkyxyz]

no buy from me. wont believe it until i can see some cold hard proof

[gypsygib]

Both my PS3 and 360 have never shut off - but I don't play them inan enclosed cabinet. I do wish however that my old 360 had shut off when it got too hot because maybe it wouldn't have broke so many times. I'm happy my 360 S now has a shut off mechanism.

[thewhoopimen]

Wtf is with these over the top headlines that spew nonsense? The article test shows both the 360S and PS3 Slim shutting off to safeguard their interals... How does one beat the other for that??? I thought the whole point of this comparison was to see whether either console overheated and true to word, the 360 fat had REAL RROD issues.

[csreynolds]

That must mean the new Xbox is indestructible, as PS3s have a very low overheating rate...

The only way a PS3 can burn out is if its owner blocks the console's ventilation port. Or cooks it.

[DJMarty]

Why don't they try using the lastest PS3 slim, ones with evemn more efficent chips inside.

[ZeroX9876]

There's only one thing I have to say about this: IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!

5 years, 5 FREAKING years it took them to repair this problem. I'm pretty sure this time that they got it right, with kinect launching and all they don't want people's console to fry out like the old ones did.

Last month, my 2nd 360 fried out, but I still have my warranty so no problem there, but I'm seriously considering buying the new one. I got a launch PS3 60 gb and I bought a 40 gb ps3 to my sister (she liked little big planet and it make a bluray for my parents) and none of them broke ( as now ). My wii..... LOL it's a wii so no problem there either.

I'm grateful to microsoft for repairing this malfonction, but 5 years is kinda long for repairing a problem that is known by almost the entire gaming community. like I said, it's about time!

[SaberEdge]

The problem had already been reduced to within industry standards well before the Xbox 360 S came on the scene. The Jaspers were very reliable. A few isolated cases (of which there were similar cases with the PS3) was enough to keep the fanboy spin going, but in reality the problem had already been essentially eradicated.

[ZeroX9876]

yeah I probably didn't get the jasper, but why is microsoft sending me the same 360 build over and over again? I paid for the longer warranty, and the guy told me that I would have a new console when my 360 would broke (I already knowned that I wouldn't but anyway) and they gave me the same build over and over. Now, I hope that this one doesn't broke again, if only they've sent me the jasper. I had a zephyr and a falcon for the last 2 360 I had and It broke again. the jasper isn't old, september 2008 If I remember correctly, and there was still a lot of the old build in stores for months after the jasper was release. So it took them 3 years anyway to change the build! it's long enough for me.

They had faulty hardware and they're just admitting it a couple of years later, so shame on them for screwing their customers. My first xbox is still up and working! my sister play all the time on it ( got it softmodded since no game are coming out as now) and I'm still enjoying it!

[The_Zeitgeist]

There are already better heat tests out there. Just google it people.

Google = GOD

[Jason143]

My atari jaguar runs cooler then both units

[Sin-CityGamer]

Microsoft waited till now to actually minimize the 360's heat output? Even if the PS3 did end up generating more heat according to these so-called "tests", it just proves that Sony knows how to build a very reliable system even under these circumstances with minimal failure rate.

[mattolla]

M$ has a new ice box built into every 360 slim. Doubles as a beer chiller. This proves it is the coolest. Also, the 360 stands up to heat better in a microwave than the PS3. Go and try it with your 360. You wont be disappointed.

Any other useless info from gofanboy.com???

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter how hot the system gets...

One of them is louder.
One of them has a larger failure rate.

I'm pretty sure none of us care which one gets hotter.

[ikkokucrisis]

It would save the unit from being overstressed and letting the owner know that it must be placed in a cooler more ventilated area.

I feel better about my PS3 slim not bricking now. :)

WHAT THEY SHOULD DO NEXT is to see which motherboard runs hotter internally (just place some thermal couples near the main chips). If the 360 is running hotter and temp-faulting at a higher temperature level, it would be a very scary thing for the people that own that console!!

[chidori666]

gofanboy.com

NUFF SAID.

BAN THIS SITE PLEASE.

[ironmonkey]

fat ps3's dont die. when it comes to heat, 360 is pretty good at that. when its hot outside, i blame 360. when you get burned, blame 360. the reputation still lives.

[coojo]

Dam Sony got owned I was gonna get ps3 can't trust that Sony hardware after owning a Sony tv

[russ093]

who cares as long as it plays games im happy

[NoSuchSol]

I've done my own heat test and my xbox360S is a heck of a lot hotter than my old 20gb(upgraded) PS3 ever gets. Maybe the slims are more heat monsters, but the 360S is incredibly hot to the touch on the fan side. My PS3 is almost as hot, but you can keep your hand on it a bit longer.

[HaVoK308]

I own both. Never had an issue with either of them regarding heat. Article is irrelevant to me.

[Ch1d0r1]

So the 360 won the heat contest? How many more times did it overheat than the ps3?

[Blaine]

All there was, was a ''first-to-auto-shutdo wn'' contest which meant nothing without internal heat data. 360 didn't win, we don't know who won because we don't have their temperatures at auto-shutdown, only how long it took, which means practically nothing.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

The Earth is hotter than Saturn....one can support life,one is a dead planet with rings.Go figure.

[SpinalRemains138]

For you readers who find that PS3 is on the losing end of this test, I feel obligated to chime in. The fact that SONY's machines are shutting off first is BETTER. The machine shutting off is a safety mechanism so the console doesn't overheat. If I am making my machine hot, I want it to shut off so as not to permanently damage it. The PS3 shutting off first shows that it has lower tolerances for safety. This means that there is less heat abuse in the long run. Another well made and propoerly thought out design by SONY.

If the 360 runs longer when the same heat conditions are applied, that console is staying on and taking more abuse. I don't see how this is in anyway a good thing. Unless you play in an attic closet with the door closed in mid July in the Bahamas for 15 straight hours a day. The SONY console is built to last. When it shuts off it's trying to tell you something.

[Blaine]

Could be that the PS3 slim is shutting off first because it's hotter, we don't know because the test was shallow and gathered no important data.

What we need to know is their temperature at auto-shutdown. What they gave us is time until auto shutoff in a poorly ventilated environment--that means NOTHING without any significant data to back it up.

[ikkokucrisis]

yea Spinal,

That's exactly what I was eluding to at the top of this comment page!
i think they should take the testing further though and actually figure out which console runs hotter internally.

This could be the million $$ question that decides the fate of the console war!

[Blaine]

RRoD'd after a single session of overheating! What a pos.

As for the slims vs slims testing, either the conclusions drawn, or their hypothesis are wrong. They showed absolutely no data backing up their claim that the PS3 slim "heated up more/faster" and they pretty much exactly said that they didn't have data. All they have are shutdown times.

Article should be re-titled: "PS3 slim shuts down faster than 360 slim under severe heat tests" because that's all they tested and all they know for sure.

[JustV]

How in the world are you gonna compare the head of an Xbox slim with ps3 slim? the ps3 is a much more powerful machine.....AND the Ps3 has internal power supply! whoever wrote this didn't think much!

[Ares84PS3]

I think everyone knows by now that gofanboy.com are a bunch of Xbox360 fanboys and will put the PS3 down every chance they get.

[The_Illusive_Man]

i have noticed my slim does get a bit hot and heats up the cables at the back but it needs more fan space

[tunaks1]

"My console is better designed then your!"
"No it isn't, lets fight about these plastic boxes on the interwebz"

[BIGBOSS08]

yea but ps3 can actually handle the heat. anyway why shouldnt the ps3 give out more heat? its using alot more power than the 360, it has blu ray inside it, built in power prick etc..

[JJFNIGHTS80]

SHOW SOME REAL PROOF. Instead of your same B.S.

[Strikepackage Bravo]

360 is now superior to PS3 in every way except bluray playing. While few will admit it everyone knows this.

[djfullshred]

The conclusion from this test should be that the newer PS3 has a lower temperature threshold setting for shutting itself down in an improperly vented environment. Considering that they rebooted without any issues, I don't know how one could draw the conclusion that they were beaten in heat tests. It seems to me having a lower shutoff temperature is a good design for product longevity.

[4lc4pon3]

It doesnt help either that the PS3 so much more powerful that it Draws more Heat unlike the 360 wich is Weak and barely uses any heat. Upgrade the 360 hardware to compete with the PS3 then will talk

[duplissi]

so?.... my fart smells better than yours!

[DavidBanner]

The PS3 never had heat issues before so why is it been compared with a system that does. It does not make sense compare apples with apples .Oh wait there is only one console with heat issues.

[kasasensei]

wrong, fat ps3 have real heat issues. 20gb and 60gb especially.

[csreynolds]

You can't take one or two rare cases and make a generalisation. I have an original fat 60GB, which I upgraded to 160GB two years ago. Guess what? No heat issues in 3+ years. Xbox failure rates on the other hand are daftly high.

[DJMarty]

I have original Pal Fat 60Gb(upgraded to 640Gb), it's on nearly 24 hours a day. PS3 used for recording TV, playing games , listening to music etc. Had no heat issues in 3+ years.

[The_Illusive_Man]

it doesnt really matter about the heat consols are designed for games not for arguments what consol gets the hottest i like both consols and both consols are flawed in ways so stop arguing and play some games

[Holeran]

It really is fantastic that microsoft has finally found out how to keep thier machine cool. That is a plus to all gamers. I too have had the RROD issue and I hardly ever use my 360 to play games, it does a fantastic job of keeping the door to my den open when the air conditioning pushes it closed though.

[TheTeam06]

These guys never pass comments that actually have valid information.

I debunked these guys TWICE in two of their articles one. I outed them for false information and had proof, but they never added my comment. This site is ridiculous. Whenever someone comments something against their article, they just add those that make themselves sound stupid, leave the good ones alone and pass comments that agree with them.

Blacklist these guys and save us the headache.

[TheShow01]

power brick ... that'll be all

[kasasensei]

No data to check, no picture, no video, nothing nothing nothing....

Just like every other so called article on gofanboy....

Who approved this, seriously??

[csreynolds]

Big Xbox-loving muppets.

[lonix]

of the xbox 360 is intelligent enough to shut itself down when it gets too hot
unlike the old version

[Vip3r]

Gofanboy.com ... seriously, isn't this site just for flamebait to get high hits?

[csreynolds]

:)

[bednet]

So if I understand correctly all slims (PS3 and 360) shut down after a while as to not damage internal parts.

It's trivial to argue about which one can play the longest in a closed environment, any gamer that'll play for days on end will not have it's console in a closed environment, this test is grasping at straws.

[jneul]

lol at my last post getting 5 disagrees, well here are some hard facts I played on ff13 for 10 hours non stop per day until I completed it, my ps3 slim did not shutdown once, now kindly go away and stop clicking on disagree, when there are no facts, it's just a person going x360 is better because I say so BS...

[DigitalAnalog]

What's surprising here is not that gofanboy.com is once again making flame-articles without proof or evidence, but the fact that 360 fanboys are calling out PS3 fanboys denouncing their console as least reliable by defending a questionable and baseless article known for flame-hits.

-End statement

[NateDPG]

Fake