GamingBolt: Metal Gear Solid, a franchise which has spanned over two decades (24 years to be precise) is one of the most respected series around in the video games industry.
They're two different games. Saying if MGS: Rising can go above and beyond Guns of the Patriots or not is like saying if Ninja Gaiden can rise over Demon's Souls - ultimately inconsequential.
One is a crappy 'action spinoff' that Kojima has nothing to do with that is being worked on by some other team that has no involvement with the real Metal Gear games. The game is so bad Kojima disowned it at last year's E3 the day after it was announced. One is one of the masterpieces of this generation. Different doesn't begin to describe them.
I am a MGS fanyboy if anything and I like the look of this game (water melon chopping looks cool). But having said that I don't think it will do a service to the MGS name like previous titles have done. MGS is not about action, it is about stealth and 1 man having the odds stacked against him considerably, trying to figure out the best way to finish each section was what made the games so great. One can't forget things like holding up guards and collecting dog tags, or trying to finish the game without being spotted once or without killing anybody. The replay value of all previous titles is through the roof as you can go about the games so many different ways (especially in MGS3) and I cant see this game having that same replay value seeing as there is only one type of combat from what I have seen. If the games revolves around sword fighting your way through every section then the next play through will be very similar to the last. Looks fun but not in the same class as previous MGS titles. I juts hope it does not intrude on the MGS story line.
To sit here and say MGS:R looks like a bad game asanine. It looks good , gameplay looks like it will be a blast, but the comparisions are unfounded. a.its not out, so no one can play and compare 2.MGS:R looks like its a better competitor against Ninja Gaiden. and d. MGS4 is a proven game which ultimatly make this article flamebait nothing more. ^(home Alone ref.) Off Topic: Alot of flamebait articles today, must be part of the 4th's fireworks celebration
One is an action game. The other is pure artistry from a master craftsman bringing down the curtain(and the entire house) on an epic story over 20 years in the making.
Couldn't agree more Morgan. I really couldn't. Rising is, indeed, an action game and change of pace AND direction for games bearing the series name. Nothing to stop it being a great game(though, personally, I wasn't too impressed by what I saw from E3 this year but that's possibly just me-it looked a bit laboured to my eyes)but matching what I, and man, consider to be THE outstanding game of this generation and that tied up the single most ambitious story in all gaming history is unlikely to say the least and, more than likely, asking WAY too much of Koj's young team. I'm sure they're talented but to eclipse the genius boss man first time without wearing the stabilisers? Doubtful, very doubtful.
"I am a MGS fanyboy " Might wanna fix that typo, bud.
You are a blind fanboy, and what you say no longer holds meaning. Go away.
Wow, the haters really bash on Rising with so much SPITE! The game isn't out yet and we only saw a couple of minutes of footage which won't even appear in the final game. The producer even said they made that demo in the trailer just to give an brief idea of the game to people. The irony is, the haters would have a completely different view if it wasn't multiplatform lol.
Like a blockbuster summer movie, full of action and fun, but nothing deep and having no real complexities. The other is a masterpiece in everything, from music to to storyline, to gameplays and everything else. So which is better? Clearly, MGS4 is a better game, but that doesn't mean Rising will not be fun. It's like comparing the greateest movie ever made to Transformer.
Lmao dude, did you notice how when you were giving bulletpoints for your reasons you went from: A to 2 to D I just thought it was funny how you couldnt decide if you wanted to use letters, or numbers. Anyway on topic i agree with said points.
This is like asking "Can Halo Wars rise over Killzone 2?"
Not even close. Rising isn't even a true MGS game so no chance in hell.
... Except, it is. Hence the name "Metal Gear Solid: Rising".
no. they shoehorned metal gear into a cutting tech demo they already had, in order to sell the game to people whocant sit through long cutscenes or have the patience for stealth gameplay. they slap the metal gear solid name on the box for people like you to go "oh its so much better than mgs4!" even though the gameplay is no longer recognizable as mgs.
They are two different games and you know it will get bashed by long time fans for not playing exactly like the previous MGS games! Similar to what FFXIII faced! Even if the game turns out to be one of the best MGS games released, it will still get bashed for one reason or another... and the 360 will be blamed for all of it!
Since you brought up Demon's Souls this article is now about demon's souls. Anyone make a high dex/magic build yet?
In sales? Most likely since it's a multiplat. In quality? Who knows.
That's the answer I was expecting. No one here played the damn game and we still don't know what and how it plays like. Until now it looks very interesting but we cannot base our decisions on this footage only. Remember that was only to demonstrate the "cutting" effect in the game and what to expect.
Nothing can be said as of now, we know nothing about the game, not much is shown. But up until now i have never been disappointed with a Metal Gear Game.
konami has never before used the metal gear name to pander to western audiences until now.
I must say its going to be interesting, but its difficult to beat Old Snake and the awesome stealth gameplay
to me, Rising cant be WORSE than MGS4, even if its terrible. MGS will go down as one of my top 5 games of all time. MGS2, however convoluted it was, will probably be in the top 20. MGS4 is on my worst 5 games list.
I really would like to know, MGS4 was great but not legendary as most will say, but worst 5? I would need some reasons to believe this or I will consider you a blind fanboy for that one. EDIT: How can you disagree with my comment? I don't think one would be able to agree either, debate or go away button hitters.
The answer is simple... http://badghill.pair.com/ci... @biggame below: He doesn't have a reason. There is no reason in an act of pure, blind, hatred driven jealousy. MGS4 is the most screamed about an wanted exclusive ever. There is no game that has had as many "Title X is now coming to platform X" as we have seen articles concerning MGS4 coming to the 360. And all those articles are driven by one thing. Want. Desire. Jealousy. Let him have his hatred. You can sit back and laugh knowing full well the true reason for such angst.
@morganfell Most wanted exclusive ever? That is so far from the truth it's gross. I'm not saying MGS4 isn't great (I haven't had a chance to play it yet) but it is not "the most wanted exclusive ever."
morganfell, you do realise Kojima Productions made the game, not you? jealousy... ROFL. As if people are that sad mate. And you talk as if you made the game personally haha.
@morganfell That Picture made me LoL . + Bubble
I'm not jealous, as I own MGS4. why would I be jealous of something I own? I just was not a fan of what they did to the series. 10 hours of cutscenes to go with a very short amount of game play. They also basically just made it a straight up shooter with the drebin points basically giving you unlimited ammo of every weapon in the game. Stealth not required. Also, the ridiculous installs and load times. You can't just load different saves from different levels without 10 mins of installs! That's a joke. So as a HUGE metal gear solid fan, you can see why I thought MGS4 was rubbish. It took away everything that made the others good. It also went the third person view instead of the traditional top down view.
You said: "You can't just load different saves from different levels without 10 mins of installs! That's a joke. Now here is the truth: 8 Minutes = first install, when you start the game. Then before each act, the time it takes to install is as follows Act 2 – 3 mins Act 3 – 3 mins Act 4 – 2 mins Act 5 – 1 min Proof you have either: A - Never played the game and are thus a liar. B - Knew the install times and are intentionally lying about the truth out of, what was it I said, "Want. Desire. Jealousy." Also the gameplay times as posted by numerous REAL reviewers proves the gameplay totals more than the cutscenes. Beside that is the fact IT'S KOJIMA! HELLO! ANYONE THERE? AND IT'S A METAL GEAR GAME. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? THIS HAS BEEN THE EVOLUTION ALL THROUGHOUT THE SERIES. HE HAS BEEN MOVING TOWARD A MORE CINEMATIC PRESENTATION SINCE THE FIRST GAME. And you are wrong again. Since MGS, no Metal Gear game has been top down. It is an isometric view - far different than top down and it had the ability to go into first person when static. First person was required for several key moments in all the games since MGS. can't fly a missile through an air vent in isometric. Can't shoot down a Harrier or battle Metal gear completely in isometric. The lsit goes on and on. Stealth is a choice in MGS4. So now you're mad because every gamer isn't forced to experience the game the way you prefer? I can only imagine your opinion of the latest Splinter Cell. Now one has to question whether you have ever played any Metal Gear game. Wait, you said MGS2 would be in the top 20. That's right, there was an Xbox version. Now it is clear. Either way you are wrong, wrong, wrong.
I would like to know your reasons as well. If you don't like MGS4, that's one thing, but calling it worst 5 games? That bordering on fanboyism.
It's like comparing an apple to a pea. Those two games cannot really be compare.
of course not..it's multi-plat
... What the hell does that have to do with anything? A game is worse because it's multiplatform? Really?
graphics suffer when games have to be developed for multiple platforms. it also limits the number of things you are able to put in the game considering that you have to select a development platform that can adapt... although i do think rxl's comment was premature
i was being sarcastic.. not premature.. not thinking of the multi plat's in that [email protected] it was good ol' sarcasm..
That's it nope
Um you're wrong. The dude that is working on rising is from Hideo's team. If you played any metal gear game (except the first) You would know that he is the co producer and help write most of the games. So yep there ya go. The game will still suck though. No one can live up to what Hideo can do.
Rising will be different from anything else we have seen associated with the Metal Gear name.Let's just hope it doesnt end up being "Final Fantasy 13" different *shudders*
I got a disagree. Hmmmm that is funny. Hideo has came out and said it many time's that it is parts of he's old team working on it. And the Director of this one is the producer on the other three. Learn you're shit buddy
The two games, even though both are under the Metal Gear Solid name, are essentially two completely different games. Rising won't be like any other Metal Gear game. This could be a good thing, or it could be a bad thing. In my opinion, MGS4 is one of the top games this generation. Rising has a lot to accomplish to surpass Guns of the Patriots.
I hope so, the more great games out there the better.
We really know nothing about Rising. So nobody cannot really say. Least in terms of the Story elements.
One thing I really hate abut rising is tat they gonna shorter the cutscenes.Cutscence are the most important part of MGS.
They are not focusing on what the Fans want this time around. They are focus on attracting New Comers to the Metal Gear Franchise. I'm a bit disappointed in this honestly.
More disagree. they say right on it Kojima productions. I wonder what that could mean. Smart people on this site.
I don't know why some people are debating about this. People need to watch some of the interviews. The only thing that annoyed me was when the developers said they will be focusing on attracting New comers. So this is making me a bit skeptical as seeing how Metal Gear Solid 4 was for the fans of The Metal Gear Series while Rising is to attract new Fans and they ARE NOT focusing on the fanbase. If anyone wants to disagree you can look up their interviews. In my opinion they need to focus on the fans always and this goes for any game. When you try to get new comers and neglect the fans It NEVER ENDS Well. Here is the link of the interview http://n4g.com/news/554487/...
Maybe in graphics, but not in story.
Rising is not an MGS! So offcourse not! Rising cant beat GotP! Even PSP games are Kojima games too. Rising cant beat them too...
Still it's just a spin off,not even close to MGS:PW.
better graphics equal better game? sure rising has better graphics, but that is because mgs4 is like what? 2-3 years old? and rising hasn't even released yet! as a full apckage rising can't even touch mgs4. the story alone makes mgs4 miles ahead rising. not only that, the graphics in mgs4 is awesome as it is, the game scored like 10 from over 50 gaming sites!
well said, belal
It has been said "Never bring a sword to a gunfight". However, I expect MGS;R but an awsome game. Just not MGS4 Awsome.
for me mgs 4 is the best game of this gen,and im a mgs 'fan'.i doubt that rising will be a better game,but lets not hurry,noone can say it for sure,its got some very great idias,and if its done right,not going too far from stealth,but just changing the styl of stealt,i mean imagine u could act stealthly by using the light bolting action,smt like not ninja blade but tenchu,it would be great,and when they changed the name they hinted also that the story wont be abt espionage.
MGS4 is the overall package and a masterpiece of game development + game of the year. MGS: Rising is a spin-off title developed by a new generation, that cannot reach the heights of a Kojima-fronted masterpiece.
MGS: Rising will fit in nicely with the other step children, MGS: TTS and Snake's Revenge.
i'll get this game on my modded 360 for 5 usd.
maybe if everyone like you downloads it, driving sales down, konami will lose money and not make another rising game.
It will be over mgs4 just in the author dreams. for god sake we only seen 2 minutes of the game. and then we get all this hype just because its on x360 this time.
mgs4 is in a class of its own. ppl shouldnt put that game in the same stratosphere as mgs4. guns of our patriots was, is and always will be a classic. that game showcased the ps3's superiority this consoles generation. forget the graphics, the epic storyline and cutscenes that played out like a movie. not to mention great graphics.
i agree mgs 4 is the only reason i chose ps 3 over xbox 360
So first lemme lay down what I have heard: 1. Rising is going to have stealth elements and isn't a complete action game ala Ninja Gaiden 2. It takes place between MGS2 and MGS4 and shows how Raiden got his awesome ninja high frequency blade abilities. Based on this information, Rising can potentially turn out to be really good. Better than MGS4? Doubtful. What made MGS4 great is the combination of gameplay and dramatic story. The most that Rising can pull off is gameplay. There is no way that Rising will be able to pull on as many heartstrings and be as epic as MGS4. 4 ended the saga while rising is a sidestory most likely absent of the main protagonist of the MGS world.
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