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Can Metal Gear Solid: Rising rise over Guns of the Patriots?

GamingBolt: Metal Gear Solid, a franchise which has spanned over two decades (24 years to be precise) is one of the most respected series around in the video games industry.

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Nike5042d ago

They're two different games. Saying if MGS: Rising can go above and beyond Guns of the Patriots or not is like saying if Ninja Gaiden can rise over Demon's Souls - ultimately inconsequential.

Rigmaster5042d ago

One is a crappy 'action spinoff' that Kojima has nothing to do with that is being worked on by some other team that has no involvement with the real Metal Gear games. The game is so bad Kojima disowned it at last year's E3 the day after it was announced.

One is one of the masterpieces of this generation.

Different doesn't begin to describe them.

KingKiff5042d ago (Edited 5042d ago )

I am a MGS fanyboy if anything and I like the look of this game (water melon chopping looks cool). But having said that I don't think it will do a service to the MGS name like previous titles have done.

MGS is not about action, it is about stealth and 1 man having the odds stacked against him considerably, trying to figure out the best way to finish each section was what made the games so great. One can't forget things like holding up guards and collecting dog tags, or trying to finish the game without being spotted once or without killing anybody. The replay value of all previous titles is through the roof as you can go about the games so many different ways (especially in MGS3) and I cant see this game having that same replay value seeing as there is only one type of combat from what I have seen. If the games revolves around sword fighting your way through every section then the next play through will be very similar to the last.

Looks fun but not in the same class as previous MGS titles.

I juts hope it does not intrude on the MGS story line.

Rainstorm815042d ago

To sit here and say MGS:R looks like a bad game asanine. It looks good , gameplay looks like it will be a blast, but the comparisions are unfounded.

a.its not out, so no one can play and compare

2.MGS:R looks like its a better competitor against Ninja Gaiden.

and d. MGS4 is a proven game which ultimatly make this article flamebait nothing more.

^(home Alone ref.)

Off Topic:
Alot of flamebait articles today, must be part of the 4th's fireworks celebration

morganfell5042d ago

One is an action game. The other is pure artistry from a master craftsman bringing down the curtain(and the entire house) on an epic story over 20 years in the making.

mastiffchild5042d ago

Couldn't agree more Morgan. I really couldn't. Rising is, indeed, an action game and change of pace AND direction for games bearing the series name.

Nothing to stop it being a great game(though, personally, I wasn't too impressed by what I saw from E3 this year but that's possibly just me-it looked a bit laboured to my eyes)but matching what I, and man, consider to be THE outstanding game of this generation and that tied up the single most ambitious story in all gaming history is unlikely to say the least and, more than likely, asking WAY too much of Koj's young team. I'm sure they're talented but to eclipse the genius boss man first time without wearing the stabilisers? Doubtful, very doubtful.

Man In Black5042d ago (Edited 5042d ago )

"I am a MGS fanyboy "

Might wanna fix that typo, bud.

gynecologistcobra5042d ago

You are a blind fanboy, and what you say no longer holds meaning. Go away.

Eamon5042d ago (Edited 5042d ago )

Wow, the haters really bash on Rising with so much SPITE!

The game isn't out yet and we only saw a couple of minutes of footage which won't even appear in the final game.

The producer even said they made that demo in the trailer just to give an brief idea of the game to people.

The irony is, the haters would have a completely different view if it wasn't multiplatform lol.

TotalPS3Fanboy5042d ago (Edited 5042d ago )

Like a blockbuster summer movie, full of action and fun, but nothing deep and having no real complexities.

The other is a masterpiece in everything, from music to to storyline, to gameplays and everything else.

So which is better? Clearly, MGS4 is a better game, but that doesn't mean Rising will not be fun.

It's like comparing the greateest movie ever made to Transformer.

Spenok5042d ago

Lmao dude, did you notice how when you were giving bulletpoints for your reasons you went from:

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I just thought it was funny how you couldnt decide if you wanted to use letters, or numbers.

Anyway on topic i agree with said points.

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thereapersson5042d ago

This is like asking

"Can Halo Wars rise over Killzone 2?"

Imperator5042d ago

Not even close. Rising isn't even a true MGS game so no chance in hell.

gynecologistcobra5042d ago

... Except, it is. Hence the name "Metal Gear Solid: Rising".

asyouburn5042d ago

no. they shoehorned metal gear into a cutting tech demo they already had, in order to sell the game to people whocant sit through long cutscenes or have the patience for stealth gameplay. they slap the metal gear solid name on the box for people like you to go "oh its so much better than mgs4!" even though the gameplay is no longer recognizable as mgs.

AAACE55042d ago

They are two different games and you know it will get bashed by long time fans for not playing exactly like the previous MGS games! Similar to what FFXIII faced!

Even if the game turns out to be one of the best MGS games released, it will still get bashed for one reason or another... and the 360 will be blamed for all of it!

Crusade5042d ago

Since you brought up Demon's Souls this article is now about demon's souls. Anyone make a high dex/magic build yet?

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ClownBelt5042d ago

In sales? Most likely since it's a multiplat.
In quality? Who knows.

Batzi5042d ago

That's the answer I was expecting. No one here played the damn game and we still don't know what and how it plays like. Until now it looks very interesting but we cannot base our decisions on this footage only. Remember that was only to demonstrate the "cutting" effect in the game and what to expect.

-Mezzo-5042d ago

Nothing can be said as of now, we know nothing about the game, not much is shown.

But up until now i have never been disappointed with a Metal Gear Game.

asyouburn5042d ago

konami has never before used the metal gear name to pander to western audiences until now.

xcroptic5042d ago

I must say its going to be interesting, but its difficult to beat Old Snake and the awesome stealth gameplay

IHateYouFanboys5042d ago

to me, Rising cant be WORSE than MGS4, even if its terrible.

MGS will go down as one of my top 5 games of all time. MGS2, however convoluted it was, will probably be in the top 20. MGS4 is on my worst 5 games list.

KingKiff5042d ago (Edited 5042d ago )

I really would like to know, MGS4 was great but not legendary as most will say, but worst 5? I would need some reasons to believe this or I will consider you a blind fanboy for that one.

EDIT: How can you disagree with my comment? I don't think one would be able to agree either, debate or go away button hitters.

morganfell5042d ago (Edited 5042d ago )

The answer is simple...

http://badghill.pair.com/ci...

@biggame below:

He doesn't have a reason. There is no reason in an act of pure, blind, hatred driven jealousy. MGS4 is the most screamed about an wanted exclusive ever.

There is no game that has had as many "Title X is now coming to platform X" as we have seen articles concerning MGS4 coming to the 360. And all those articles are driven by one thing. Want. Desire. Jealousy. Let him have his hatred. You can sit back and laugh knowing full well the true reason for such angst.

gynecologistcobra5042d ago

@morganfell

Most wanted exclusive ever? That is so far from the truth it's gross. I'm not saying MGS4 isn't great (I haven't had a chance to play it yet) but it is not "the most wanted exclusive ever."

Eamon5042d ago

morganfell, you do realise Kojima Productions made the game, not you?

jealousy... ROFL.

As if people are that sad mate.
And you talk as if you made the game personally haha.

scofios5042d ago

@morganfell
That Picture made me LoL .
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IHateYouFanboys5042d ago

I'm not jealous, as I own MGS4. why would I be jealous of something I own?

I just was not a fan of what they did to the series. 10 hours of cutscenes to go with a very short amount of game play.

They also basically just made it a straight up shooter with the drebin points basically giving you unlimited ammo of every weapon in the game. Stealth not required.

Also, the ridiculous installs and load times. You can't just load different saves from different levels without 10 mins of installs! That's a joke.

So as a HUGE metal gear solid fan, you can see why I thought MGS4 was rubbish. It took away everything that made the others good. It also went the third person view instead of the traditional top down view.

morganfell5042d ago

You said:

"You can't just load different saves from different levels without 10 mins of installs! That's a joke.

Now here is the truth:

8 Minutes = first install, when you start the game.

Then before each act, the time it takes to install is as follows

Act 2 – 3 mins
Act 3 – 3 mins
Act 4 – 2 mins
Act 5 – 1 min

Proof you have either:

A - Never played the game and are thus a liar.

B - Knew the install times and are intentionally lying about the truth out of, what was it I said, "Want. Desire. Jealousy."

Also the gameplay times as posted by numerous REAL reviewers proves the gameplay totals more than the cutscenes. Beside that is the fact IT'S KOJIMA! HELLO! ANYONE THERE? AND IT'S A METAL GEAR GAME. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? THIS HAS BEEN THE EVOLUTION ALL THROUGHOUT THE SERIES. HE HAS BEEN MOVING TOWARD A MORE CINEMATIC PRESENTATION SINCE THE FIRST GAME.

And you are wrong again. Since MGS, no Metal Gear game has been top down. It is an isometric view - far different than top down and it had the ability to go into first person when static. First person was required for several key moments in all the games since MGS. can't fly a missile through an air vent in isometric. Can't shoot down a Harrier or battle Metal gear completely in isometric. The lsit goes on and on.

Stealth is a choice in MGS4. So now you're mad because every gamer isn't forced to experience the game the way you prefer?

I can only imagine your opinion of the latest Splinter Cell.

Now one has to question whether you have ever played any Metal Gear game. Wait, you said MGS2 would be in the top 20. That's right, there was an Xbox version. Now it is clear.

Either way you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

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biggame9015042d ago

I would like to know your reasons as well. If you don't like MGS4, that's one thing, but calling it worst 5 games? That bordering on fanboyism.

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PlayStation 3 Games That Desperately Need a PS5 Remaster

The PlayStation 3 may not have been the strongest generation for Sony, but there were still some diamonds in the rough that deserve a revisit as PS5 remasters.

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OtterX47d ago (Edited 47d ago )

Even if they could just remaster and put on PSVR2, some would still look great as VR titles and could do a whole lot to bolster the headset w these exclusives! I'd imagine the investment of reworking these titles into VR would be way less than building new games from the ground up, and they could be amazing experiences, and VR often makes flat games feel fresh again. The Resistance and Killzone games are particularly what I want to see!!

Rude-ro47d ago

I played killzone 3 in 3d and it really changed the game per being immersive.
In vr, that would be even more awesome.

darthv7247d ago

Funny you mention that... my son wanted to play some PS3 games in 3d on my PS tv and he was blown away by how good KZ3 was. It really was a great addition to the game. Im surprised there have not been more 3d games from that era being ported to the PSVR/VR2.

_SilverHawk_47d ago

resistance 1-3, killzone 1-3, uncharted 1-3, uncharted golden abyss, folklore, socom 4 , motorstorm, twisted metal, MAG, heavenly sword

Cacabunga47d ago

Killzone 2+3
Sly Thieves in Time
Crack in Time
God of War Ascension
Motorstorm
Modnation racer
Infamous 1+2

Profchaos46d ago (Edited 46d ago )

Killzone trilogy in VR would be amazing bonus points if they offer shadow fall.

There was a psvr1 Killzone project that supermassive was working on at one stage which wasn't up to scratch and Sony brand it back in house I was hoping we would see that on psvr2 eventually.

Personally I'd love to see some more love or acknowledgement of psvr2 from Sony in general it was a expensive headset and Sony barely acknowledge it's existence

seanpitt2346d ago

The amount of work needed to remaster these games wouldn't be beneficial on a financial and business sense.. MGS4 would probably be the best bet as it would need the least amount of work!

Iceball200047d ago

YEAAASSSSS! I miss this franchise and wanna play it so bad again.

Father__Merrin47d ago

The time is perfect for a resistance fall of man game campaign coop multiplayer

InUrFoxHole47d ago

The resistance series is str8 trash to me. Socom 3 I would welcome. Or killzone MP.

Marcus Fenix47d ago

A Resistance reboot will be awesome

Michiel198947d ago

That's what Bungie should make, Ill keep saying it until it happens

1Victor47d ago (Edited 47d ago )

Resistance was ok but Warhawk and Starhawk was better and kept me coming back for almost a decade of fun and petty revenge on the loud mouth unskilled players 🤣
Edit I loved capture the flag dropping the pot on the flag carrier was extremely satisfying as well as transforming your plane in bot form and stumping them to death 😱

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Michiel198947d ago

Resistance was the best co-op fps I ever played after L4D2

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One Last Smoke - The significance of Snake's cigarettes in Metal Gear Solid 4

An article looking at the symbolic meaning behind the cigarettes in Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

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Hideo Kojima laments that Metal Gear Solid 4's digital battlefield 'is no longer science fiction'

Game creator Hideo Kojima is and probably will always be best-known for his creation and stewardship of the Metal Gear series at Konami, which since his departure has been more-or-less on permanent hiatus (don't mention Survive). In his almost three decades these games evolved to the point where they predicted certain problems of the information age (MGS 2), took aim at contemporary topics like Guantanamo Bay (MGS: Ground Zeroes), and ended on a profound sense of sadness about our species' inability to break the cycles of global conflict (MGS V).

It's not clear what sparked this reflection, but Kojima's been thinking about Metal Gear Solid 4, an entry that was (and unfortunately still remains) a PlayStation 3 exclusive. In that entry the player controls an aged Solid Snake in the year 2014, caught up in a civil war being fought between Private Military Companies (PMCs).

Dirty_Lemons357d ago

That was a great fucking game/ movie.

DarXyde357d ago

To this day, it's one of those games where I refuse to skip the cutscenes, no matter how many playthroughs I've done.

But if you ask me...MGS2 was bloody prophetic and has aged like fine wine. That game was blasted as the weakest entry, and yet it's so enduring. I replayed it some time last year and it was remarkable.

sadraiden357d ago

Heed not the lamentations of people that say that MGS2 is bad because of the Snake/Raiden bait and switch. Every MGS game has its own merits, and while most people consider 3 to be the best, they all shine equally in my opinion.

porkChop357d ago

@sad

I would generally agree but with the exception of MGSV. It had truly excellent gameplay/combat, but dull and largely empty open world(s), and a narrative that is literally only half finished.

I really wish Kojima hadn't tried to go open world with MGS. It just wasn't right for the series. But I get it. He didn't want to make MG anymore but he wasn't allowed to make anything else. So he had to experiment within that franchise. Still, it was the wrong direction.

Santouryuu357d ago

I have been thinking about this a lot, MGS2 being the weakest and getting blasted.
My conclusion, for some years now, it's my favorite game of the series.
Going from MGS1 to MGS2 was such a big leap, in graphics, mechanics, etc.
And now it's even more relevant for being 'bloody prophetic' as you stated.

Maybe dust of my vita and play it again...

porkChop357d ago

It's a shame we never got a remaster of MGS4. The original game only rendered at 1024x768, and it ran anywhere from like 20fps to 60fps depending on the area. A remaster could have very easily cleaned up the visuals and performance. It's such a great game. I just want to play it again but in its best possible state.

MIDGETonSTILTS17357d ago

I agree, but they did all sorts of tricks to make use of the ps3’s cell processor….they’d probably have to rebuild the game in order to make it run on another machine. And, if that involves remaking those cutscenes somehow, then itll never happen, unfortunately.

porkChop357d ago

Nah. There have been plenty of remasters of PS3 games and they've turned out fine. It can be done.

ANIALATOR136356d ago (Edited 356d ago )

You can get near enough 4k 60 with it on RPCS3 these days

FallenAngel1984356d ago

War... war never changes. Or does it? The war has changed ...did it? The answer is no! Unless it is yes! No, of course it is! Is war! Yes! No! Yes?

PitbullMonster356d ago

Ah a man of culture. Duty calls

cell989357d ago

He was always ahead with this series. MSG1 taught me about the importance of passing on our genes into future generations but in a responsible way, for they are bound to what we experienced in our lifetime. Sons of liberty taught me about global control and simulation runs to test society in a grand scale, the importance and dangers of control of information. MGS3 taught me about patriotism and how that can blind you into doing things you never would have otherwise, all for the sake of politicians who only see you as another pawn in their grand scheme of things. MSG4 taught me war is inevitable and always orchestrated because it's great for the economy. Soon simulation systems will start dictating who goes to war and why, all run through proxies. Privatization of military company are already here. We already started to see how a small group of elites dictates everything that happens. Nothing is done, nothing happens without strings being pulled.

Eidolon357d ago

You learned all this from MGS?

Tody_ZA357d ago

All that was literally the themes and core story of each game, so not surprising he learned that from MGS. Metal Gear Solid 2 in particular is so relevant today, it was more than a decade ahead of its time and a work of genius. Kojima saw what the digital future was going to become when it was in its infancy. Even MGS 5 despite being unfinished and less of a traditional Metal Gear Solid game with regards to story, had a fair bit to say about language and control over it that is relevant today.

It's a highly acclaimed series for a reason, and one of my favourite.

Eidolon357d ago

I've watched my brother play the MGS games, but I only beat MGS1 myself on the PSP in 2014, and MGSV in 2016. I took the themes and plots as lore, tbh.. trying to piece together the story of MGS rather than relating them to our current times.

Tody_ZA357d ago

It's definitely social commentary, Eidolon. You should read the "themes and analysis" section of the Wikipedia page for MGS2: Sons of Liberty for a start! Game was heavy on this.

Eidolon357d ago

I'll take a look, thanks. Actually might pick up MGS2 again (PS Vita), It's been years since I last played. Might start a new game tbh.

sadraiden357d ago

MGS2 literally predicted digital manipulation of information that we see today all the way back in 2001. MGS2 became Zucc's playbook.

Knushwood Butt357d ago

MGS taught me not to pee my pants.

cell989356d ago

Yes back in 1998 when I was 13. Throughout the years more information has been shown on this subject matters, but go back to early 2000s and information wasn't as prominent. Kojima was ahead of the game

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MaxiPower90357d ago

He was on the ball about many things. A true visionary.

sadraiden357d ago

If it wasn't for the retconning of how FOXDIE works, including clunky scenes with Naomi and Liquid, MGS4 would be a perfect game. There are so many gameplay options. It felt like us PS3 owners got something truly unique and special.

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