Microsoft was off to a great start with a nice Xbox 360 Kinect showing at the E3 video game conference, but leaked specs and a contradictory strategy show that, come November, Microsoft may end up losing both the hardcore and the casual gamer.
does this mean there wont be a halo party. 4 players is needed
i cant wait for that game. i hope i can play as the arbiter....
No Arbiter but you do get to play as Guilty Spark 343. This way they do not have to worry about the lag of the player's hands. Oh, one other thing, Guilty Spark no longer looks metallic but instead resembles a red ball.
only 100K more than PS3 with a newly released console? thats not very great =/ expected more still good for them
Oh you poor monk, I reckon there must be better things to dream about though hey?
Oh you poor monk, there are better things to dream about though hey?
I recall first time move was shown, the guys said the eye could handle two move units and 2 sub units. Thus having a limitation of 2 players. How is 360 kinect limit of 2 "active" players different than move? All i know is i can have 4 players in mario baseball and it is fun.
it can track 4 move controllers... so if a game only needs 1 move controller this mean 4-players
What does Halo at all have to do with the Kinect? Please tell me.
Halo party, Halo DDR, Halo sports, etc, via the power of Kinect.... J/k....
nothing because kinect isn't at all a core peripheral. but we all can have a little laugh in good taste
They're both on Xbox 360.
it was just for fun. honestly you take thing to seriously.
yo chill out masterofpwnage, he was just being sarcrastic to the sarcasm of the bad joke that was just a thing, not to be taken to seriously, you know? geez, you take this way to seriously, go out a little? +bubbles pope, that is some funny stuff, I almost spit out me green tea, rofl.
Well if the Pope is right, Halo/Kenect games will mark MS going on the crack-pipe.
PS Fanboy: Oh, M$ lying to us, they say 4 players now specs say 2. PS Fanboy: M$ say we hardcore will buy game just for achievements. Reality: Kinect is due to release Nov 4th lots of details sill to be revealed. Reality: Kinect ($150 and released in Nov) now charting and 7th place on Gamestop.com and 41 on amazon. Move ($50 and releases in 10 weeks)34th at Gamestop.com, noth charted on Amazon. Calm down fellows. You are sounding belligerent.
I like how pre-sale numbers make things like "Only 2 players at a time" and "Not one gotdamned core game announced!" just disappear for you, Bigpappy. It's cool that you're happy with crap as long as lots of people around you have the same crap. Either way you slice it. . . The Kinect supports up to and not exceeding 2 players at a time. The Kinect has no core games announced for it.
When they announced it as "Natal" last year they said it would be supported with Halo reach, and a whole lot of other lies.
Maybe you should compare from video gane stores from other countries. Also Move as 3 different priced bundles compared to the Kinects 1. Maybe having 3 different bundles will dilute the figure to the true number of actual move pre orders. Or just maybe comparing the kinect to move from an american store where the install base is 9M more not a true repeesentation of the World. Or Both!
Microsoft is pretty dis-KINected to what people want these days. A social phone that doesn't fully connect to Facebook or Twitter (Kin)? And those commercials....Wow. In the most commonly shown one, they spend 1/2 the commercial trying to make a bad ex joke! An expensive camera for party games that only allows two players at a time? And they think hardcore, current 360 gamers will be the first to buy?? Oh, and they think we're going to spend $100+ on Kinect plus $60 for a game JUST for Achievements: "I have one thing to say to the hardcore gamer who says Kinect has nothing for them," said Toulouse while discussing concerns about Kinect on Major Nelson's latest podcast. "Those games will have achievements, so don't tell me you're not going to play at least some of them, you hardcore gamers out there. I know you will." They're either just spinning out of control to appease stockholders or they're delusional.
I don't think it's about not knowing the 360 market. They don't care to use Kinect to appeal to hardcore gamers, and if they say it, they haven't proven it. It's evident Kinect is targeted towards casuals. It's not that MS has lost sight of the 360 market, it's just that they are broadening the Xbox brand. The problem is, with a lack of a price announcement (and the $150 standalone all but confirmed), MS is going to have a hard time driving the product to one side of consumers. How much they put into it, I don't know, but I don't expect casuals to jump ship to Kinect, or even the Move for that matter. Not with Nintendo having such a strong hold on the market and with Wii 2 probably competing and likely keeping the casual market. Problem is, Kinect is being pushed so heavily. It remains to be seen, but there is a lot of skepticism at the moment towards how successful it will be. Time will tell.
"I don't think it's about not knowing the 360 market. They don't care to use Kinect to appeal to hardcore gamers, and if they say it, they haven't proven it. It's evident Kinect is targeted towards casuals." Well they're talking about building the foundation with their current userbase. And they believe we're sheep enough to buy Kinect for achievements and just because they're telling us that it's the next best thing whether gamers care or not. "People like you HolyOrangeCows, where laughing and calling for nintendos doom when they anounced the name Wii" http://www.freewebs.com/zel... To start, I don't know how you could know that, seeing as I joined N4G in January of 2009. Second, I didn't really follow video games as an industry when the Wii released/was near release. In fact, I wanted the Wii. I ended up being disappointed by the software, but I owned one for a little while.
MS is fine, the only people that think they are disconnected are such a small part of the actual market. People like you HolyOrangeCows, where laughing and calling for nintendos doom when they anounced the name Wii.
What happened to supporting up to 4 people (or did I imagine reading that)? I guess this shows even the Parade family video demonstration of River Rush where they looked like they were having seisures was misleading. Also, if the pricepoint of $149.99 is true, then this takes away from the argument that Move is the most expensive option of the two ($99 starter bundle and $49 for extra Move if wanting to support two players). @Alpha-Male22 Microsoft has put themselves into a financially risky position, trying to market an expensive device which is currently only pushed with casuals in mind that requires spending at least $200 on a console to use it. Nintendo is synonymous with family-friendly and sells exceptionally well to this demographic. I don't see how Microsoft can succeed if the entry level for Kinect is going to be $150 more expensive to the most popular casual home console on the market, without having established a casual identity that will attract the Wii crowd. The same argument can be said in that the Move also has the price hurdle to cross, but fortunately for Sony their Wii-too wand is targetting both the core and casual demographic and Sony also has established itself with 3 generations of casual appeal.
I don't think that Microsoft Game Studio has lost sight of their consumer. I think that they were given a mandate by the Microsoft higher-ups to get a wider audience and I think Microsoft made them take on this camera tech because it's a cool idea on paper. The culture at MS is to completely dominate whatever they do and they do not like being second place to Nintedo. I love Microsoft for what they've done for Western Washington, but their management is arrogant and they have seemingly no vision of their own. I still believe that the company that green-lighted Halo:CE knows what their consumer wants, but I think they got their arm twisted and now they have to do what they're told and throw their support behind a product that has more flaws than strengths.
We want it to be less than 100$, we want it to allow 6 gamers to play it at once, we want it to mow our lawn, we want it to run 100% with no lag, etc. Reality is that the more powerful the system... the more expensive hardware it will need, and thus the higher the cost. Low cost or high performance/features... pick one because you can't have both without increasing cost.
MS aiming to the Casuals is the Worst thing they can do, MS don't have the [Iconic Characters] Nintendo have and is not a considered a [Gaming Platform] with Loads of Characters and Genres like PlayStation xbox is Mainly FPS and More Shooter Games, with the Only Known Character being Master Chief: First Person Shooter/Third Person Shooter =/= [Family] First Person Shooter/ Third Person Shooter =/= [Variety] Also if kinect cost $150 and allow 2 players, do anyone really believes people would buy the damned device, it's an ADD-ON, the console alone cost $200, add the peripheral and you spend $150 [$350 + $60 per game] for something that Only allows motion-control gaming for 2 players, people will avoid this like plague... And there is nothing Real of The Device, nothing concrete, Not a single Public Demo that let you believe this device can work with Games other than hit-the-damned-red-ball game...
so what about all those videos where we saw more then 2 people playing? LIES?!?!
EDIT: if true then wow Haters are right MS is Dis-kinected. If the premise is 4players and in the end they can only track up to 2 people. its gonna make hella people mad.
i agree, and microsoft is jealous of sony in my personal opinion.
jealous is putting it mildly, this is more like the psychotic stalker who wants to look like you, talk like you and ultimately BE YOU! problem being he doesn't have your wardrobe, vocabulary or what it takes to take your place.
who cares about sales? and if you wanna bring sales up...isnt is sad microsoft had to give away 360's at e32010?. enjoy your damn games and dont be concerned.
I think they are messing around now and preparing to release another Xbox next year. Anyone else think that we are very close to seeing another Xbox?
Kinect seems to be getting a big push from MS and that represents a big investment as well. I think that they are truly trying to push to a wider audience without a larger investment of launching an entirely new console. But I don't see how they think the hardcore gamers will flock to this thing. Sony has Socom and they are patching previous title to be able to use Move to I can see the Hardcore PlayStation fans picking it up, but Kinect is offering nothing that true gamers want. Games.
released another 360 with all the trimmings! and from the looks of things, people are eating it up! they do know marketing!
I have a feeling Kinect will go the "Tony Hawk: Ride route". That thing was hyped as being an innovative way to play a skateboard game, but because of its limitations and lag it went straight to the dump. Kinect has a lot of limitations also, lag too. The problem here will be that the media will be all for it, and hype the thing when it comes out, ignoring all its flaws
I totally agree.
So its confirmed 2 player max? Epic fail then. For the casual market you want to get more than 2 players involved.
You have more than 2 friends whero ??? You are full of suprises ! Not lol
Well again, its too early to say. Now many ps3 fanboys will come like a swarm of bees and disagree with me cause they dont actually use their brain but their heart, what happened to 3D? Where were all of you then? A pair of 3D glasses to play 3D ps3 games cost 150 dollars. Thats one person. A family with one child would cost 450 dollars. But what happens when friends come over? Fine add in 2 more glasses to the least, thats 750 dollars!! Just for you, your family and 2of ur friends to enjoy 3D. Fine lets say ur a loner and u dont need a family. 150 dollars for a pair of glasses plus a 3D tv which costs like 2000 dollars. But I know your argument, youll say "give 3D time, the price will go down" EXACTLY. Give kinect time and the price will go down eventually just like the ps3 at launch. With more preorders, hopefully microsoft will lower the price. Obviously microsoft havent been keen on lowering the price on their other peripherals and infact overpriced them but Im being optimistic on both, 3D and kinect. Optimism and giving a chance. Have you ever heard of that fanboys? Sure Im not a big fan of Kinect, infact I hate the concept but Im giving it a frickin chance to prove itself when it releases. For Microsoft to prove themselves after losing the console battle for nearly 3 years. So let all the skepticism wait. Oh and to regards of the two player support, I must say that Microsoft has gotta do better in terms of appealing to the casual market if theyre only supporting 2 players. 4 players should be the goal.
The sony 3D solution is relatively new hardware and so can be expected to fall in price as it becomes more popular and easier to manufacture. All the technology in Kinect has been around for years and despite that it still costs MS $150 to manufacture per unit - i wouldnt expect to see it dropping in price much unless MS is going to sell it at a loss.
then it f''ing suck but why would they show Dance Central with 3 people dancing if Kinect cant have more than 2 people.
Microsoft should just stop whatever they are doing with this Kinect crap.
"hurp durp i don't like this hardware so microsoft should not sell it at all hurp"
I'd say you sound pretty butthurt Cobra.
""yet now its kicking the 360s ass in worldwide sales." No it's not. " yes it is, praticly every years since 2006 (but microsoft had one year and half to trump some sheeps), it's not because ms have one week or two for them now, with the slim release (and blind fanboyz buying it) that it will change anything.!
Microsoft's Xbox 360 as we know it will shrivel up if KINEKT fails. All the eggs are in one basket now...not so wise. I project one of two ideas : either no more video game systems for Microsoft or :a new system sometime within 2 years. Microsoft stock is really badly sucking so far this year.
what a shame
I'm ashamed to have had an Xbox and Live since 2005.
"Bad Strategy Show Microsoft Doesn’t Know the Xbox 360 Market Anymore" it should have run windows and been competition for Macs as well as playstation.
It's not that they don't know the 360 market. It's that they're willing to dump loads of cash on a market that may or may not be interested. It's somewhat remeniscent of what they did with the original Xbox. There was interest, but not PS2 interest, so they dumped the Xbox for the 360. Once they realized that they still didn't have all the attention/interest, they decided to listen to what people think of Nintendo. What they heard was "revolutionary" and "doing things others were afraid to do", only this time, they thought "Oh, hell no. We're not gonna dump yet another console. Time to try something else." Out came Kinect. They started touting it as something that's never been done before in hopes of grabbing the same people the Nintendo already grabbed, but hoping they're willing to get rid of the Wii in favor of Kinect. If the price does end at $150, it could be a hard sell. I'm not saying it won't, but it's not all the time that people want something "completely different". If that were the case, would people keep buying the latest iPods and iPhones or move to the Droid? Who knows. Anyways, it's either they market Kinect pretty damn well or people "move" on to an upgraded version of the thing they already bought for what sounds like $49.99. Or, of course, they could stay playing Wii.
Plus nobody wants to play a kinnect shooter game and shoot bad guys with their fingers,lol
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That means this video is fake.
Good call on the vid,but if you watch closely,they do seem to be only two players in the game playing,so that means the camera isn't actually capturing the kids.. Kinect(aka NATAL) FAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIL ....! M$ did it once again and fooled it's consumers.. what a**holes...
LMAO. I hadn't seen that one. I love how she does the Elaine dance. More to the point: the author was spot on with the quote of MS basically stating that Kinect won't be for hardcore games.
uh-oh not goooood
LMAO @ doing a Kinect article but showing a picture of a white 360 with RROD..FAIL The best part about it is E3 is long gone these baby fan blog sites have no new information but they are still spinning the same old smear day after day. Means aboslutely nothing..Kinect WILL sell no matter how many articles they post.. Microsoft has got to be laughing that Kinect is ALL they talk about.. They tried to smear the New 360s..it's selling They tried to pretend that Microsft is abandoning the hardcore..Crackdown 2 comes in a couple of days..in two months Halo Reach will do record numbers.. They keep pretending in JULY that NO ONE is going to buy Kinect..but it will probably sell through it's inventory in NOVEMBER Simple strategy..Market the hell out Kinectimals, Dance Central and the fitness game..and watch the parents rip through Black Friday in November like it was no tommorow Market the VideoKinect features and the TV remote for the adults and watch the response.. Market the bundled 360s + Kinect and with every Kinect add a Wii Sports type bundle right out of the shoot I know I'm getting one for me and one for a gift to take advantage of VideoKinect and I loved the Ubisoft 'Children of Eden' E3 demonstration.. Bottomline..if Microsft only reaches a small percentage of the 25 million that are current members of Xbox Live + a good percentage of the new customers who may buy thre bundle..then Kinect will be a hands down success period.. Just like the Wii and even 360s..it'll be funny what is reported when those numbers come rolling in.. Evil
If Kinect sells well, it will be a sad, sad day for gaming.
Nope it'll be a sad day for the people who spend everyday trying to bash it simply because Microsft are the ones releasing it... Was it sad day for gaming when the Wii succeeded?...nah Will it stop the actual hardcore 360 players from playing all the huge titles this year and nex?t..nah Do we all know the motivation behind the hate..yup nuff said
ohhh fooooolishhhh Microsoft can fix this bad strategy in a second. Microsoft just have to announce.. Halo: Red Ball for Kinect. and thats 5mill Kinects sold. DO IT Microsoft DO IT!!
2 ACTIVE players at a time? Wait, so it hasn't been proven to work with ANY hardcore games, and while people are referring to it as a party peripheral it only supports 2 active players? Microsoft dumped way too many eggs into this basket...
Microsoft does seem to have dropped the ball, which is sad since they were strong out of the gate this generation. Nintendo knows their audience and focuses really well there. Sony has been releasing titles that have broad appeal to the traditional gamer. Microsoft seems to have been at a standstill for the last 18 months. I think that in the context of Kinect Microsoft is going to have to focus on the family. I don't think that the traditional core gamer sees anything appealing in motion control. I don't see anything appealing in it, that's for sure. So if this is where Microsoft is betting the farm they might as well start working on the strategy for their next console. That's my opinion anyway.
I cant wait for the game sites to review this thing. It is going to be hysterical.
And the sequel to the 360 will be out before you know it.
The pathetic echoes and voices of boys that grew up being mentored by a big sisters instead of a big brother. Constant blaming and "bitch"ing. If half you clowns even knew half as much as you think you do, you'd probably be too busy doing something constructive rather that siting at your computers typing Microsoft hate on N4G. It's okay to rant every now and then but you dudes never quit. Must be some lonely souls, spending 75% of your day stroking the pleasure centers of the other so called bitchy gamers on this site (that's if you actually qualify as gamers, being that some of you spend more time on N4G than you do on your PS3's) Seriously though, all I can do is ready your sh!t and shake my head in pity.
Well said oohwii, you have managed to put into words what I have been thinking for over a year now, and it rings so true. If people could look at your comment objectively, it actually speaks volumes. (haha, but we know that's not going to happen now don't we.) Anyway well said.
:| Who ordered the extra large Irony platter?
that the majority of the ranting is coming from ps fanbois?when the truth is its coming from both my friend,open ur eyes or even better take off ur fanboi goggles