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Is it just a game? Or is it art?

Video games have become complex cultural artifacts. A new book says it’s time we found a language to talk about them.

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SOAD5468d ago

Are sculptures just chiseled rock?

Are paintings just messy, white canvas?

What makes films and paintings, and drawings, and photographs, and sculptures, and books art but somehow eludes the gaming medium?

I see developers envisioning characters and creating worlds to house them and creating the stories and the physics and emotions and packaging it an experience, and yet there efforts are sneered at by film critics who don't play games.

jolly, you've said some slimy things in your day, but saying that games are just games and not art is the slimiest thing you've said.

rockleex5468d ago (Edited 5468d ago )

A game designer creates a world for you to take part in, experience, and figure out for ourselves.

What we take from each of those experiences is unique to each and everyone of us.

Dramscus5468d ago (Edited 5468d ago )

Making games is an art form. Games are art.
They are a creative visual multi format medium for communicating thoughts and ideas.

EvilTwin5468d ago (Edited 5468d ago )

VideoGAMES. What sets them apart is the "game" part. They're interactive.

You watch movies. You observe a painting. You listen to music. You certainly internalize some meaning from them...but you don't reach through the White Album and move George's fingers, or take Puzo's place and change a scene in Godfather, or move things around in a Renoir.

It's easy to make a case for games like Okami or Odin Sphere or Muramasa to be at least "part art." And I'd actually use that term for ALL games. You have to create art to base your game on to begin with.

But what sets gaming apart is the GAME part of the equation, and there's a reason people don't call Monopoly or basketball art.

All IMHO, of course.

Gr815468d ago

Don't get this obsession with why some people want videogames to be considered art or not. I don't really give a damn myself lol. If the games fun its fun if not its not. There's certainly a craft to creating a great game and it requires many skills.

But you hit the nail on the head; videogames are interactive where movies or books or paintings, are not. Prime has beautiful art direction, muramasa, Twilight Princess, Shadow of the Colussus beautiful art direction, but these are all interactive entertainment, with elements of art within them.

IMO at least.

EvilTwin5468d ago (Edited 5468d ago )

Precisely. There's elements of art within videogames (which are, of cousre, interactive entertainment).

People think it's insulting to call them "games," as if that's demeaning. So therefore, they must be "art." The things is, the best videogames aren't one or the other; they contain elements of both. I happen to think the best games lean more heavily on being GAMES, though. I have to want to play them and interact with the world laid out on that disc.

Prime is an absolutely PERFECT example. I literally just got done beating Meta-Ridley. I was artifact hunting before, and just in awe of the world design and the puzzles I had to solve. Switched on cable, and the tail end of "There Will Be Blood" was on, and I was in awe of Daniel Day-Lewis. But in a very different way. I was a passive observer, taking in his performance ("DRAINAGE, ELI!"). I wasn't passive in Prime, I was doing it; taking the game at my own pace, choosing my own paths through Tallon IV, viewing the level architecture from the particular spot I wanted to, beating up Ridley.

If Prime was just something pretty to look at, I wouldn't want to come back and play it. It's gotta be FUN and the interaction has to be there, or else why pop in the disc?

(BTW, PMs still aren't working. Weird.)

SOAD5468d ago

You're creating a definition of art where art must be something you observe rather than something you interact with.

I think that doesn't make any difference because you can just as easily say that videogames are a unique form of art that you CAN interact with.

No one ever said that art was something that had to be observed. No one has the authority to make up that rule. To me, games are art. I can't really say why. But I think that games are sort of a cornucopia of many artistic mediums. They are moving paintings. And the processors inside our consoles and PCs receive our inputs and manipulate these paintings at several frames per second. We control the art. But all that means is that the developers had to take into account every single thing that we could do, so when we shoot something, the developers had to take that into account so that when we do manipulate the screen, it does what we want.

It's interactive art.

anonymouse1113355468d ago

I won't even bother with reading the article

because it's been covered to death already.

games are art depending on your definition of art, as art has never been clearly defined, for me I look at art as something you make dynamically, and by dynamically I mean not making the same thing over and over again like a assembly line fashion.

I look at games as art but not art, I find them to be a collective bundle of art from many different artists participating and creating a collaborative piece, the 3D modeling, programming, character desings, concept art, writing all of that that went into it I can find to be a art that has manifested into a collab called a "game"

The_Firestarter5468d ago

I'm so damn tired of this question already. "Is game art?" "YES!!! STOP FUCKING ASKING!!!" That's how I feel, because that stupid question gets asked over and over and fucking over again. Albeit it's from multiple "journalists" it's just annoying seeing it on N4G time and time again.

STOP FUCKING ASKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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XBLA Classic 'A World of Keflings' Is Coming to Steam, and There's a Demo

"Back in the innocent days of 2010, A World of Keflings was a fairly popular successor to A Kingdom for Keflings. I even wrote about it a few times in 2012! But the world of humans moved on, and NinjaBee's city-building/adventure game was last seen on the ill-fated Wii U in 2014. Fast-forward to the dark year of 2025, and not only is A World of Keflings coming to Steam, but there's already a playable demo! Perhaps the cheerful, no pressure gameplay that the Keflings bring is just what we need nowadays," says Co-Optimus.

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It Has Been Over 2,500 Days Since The Elder Scrolls 6 Was Revealed

It's been officially over 2,500 days since The Elder Scrolls 6 was revealed, and fans are still waiting for more than a logo and a mountain range.

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jznrpg4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

It will come out in another 1000-2000 days or so. I’d rather they remake Morrowind. After they added quest arrows, sprint button, making stats lesser and the big nerfs to spells Elder Scrolls has been too simplified. They could change that with ES6 but I don’t have much faith in modern Bethesda. I would love to be wrong

clevernickname3d ago

Wait until he hears about Star Citizen...

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Halo: Combat Evolved Remake reportedly planned to release in late 2026

Xbox Game Studios' Halo: Combat Evolved Remake is reportedly planned to release in late 2026 to celebrate 25 years of Xbox.

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Goodguy015d ago

Dear God it's been 4 years since infinite and no official update on anything lol.

Tacoboto5d ago

No official update on anything?

They replaced studio leadership
They changed the studio name
They announced the change to UE5
... all while supporting Infinite

The support to Infinite isn't what it originally should have been but they've still been providing tons of official updates over the years, and as recently as two months ago added a brand new weapon.

GamerRN5d ago

I think remaking Halo Combat Evolved, and going to 2 and 3 again, will help give the studio an idea of how to make a Halo game feel like Halo again

Tacoboto4d ago

Infinite did feel like Halo, that's not what the complaints were...

The complaints were almost literally everything else. Monetization, netcode and desync, the campaign structure, story, and single biome, the weaker-than-expected post-launch content.

InUrFoxHole4d ago

Gotta agree. Infinite felt like halo.

Profchaos5d ago

Dev times in modern days 4 years of silence isn't unheard of when things are running smoothly.

And around 6 months ago 343 did show a tech demo of ue5 using halo assets so it's not radio silence.

Given all the shake ups i am more surprised we're getting anything next year at all.

RaidenBlack5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

They coulda started with Halo 3 remake ... I know Halo CE remaster was not proper with the art style but still, remaking after a remaster seems dull, when Halo 3 and Reach have started to show some age.

PhillyDonJawn5d ago

Yeah I hate they used Halo reach artstyle. Hope this remake feel authentic yet fresh

--Onilink--5d ago

Probably the simplest to work around with. They are reportedly doing it in UE5, so its just as much an Anniversary thing, as its probably the studio getting familiar and setting up their tools and processes in the engine with an actual game, to facilitate the development of the next Halo

Profchaos5d ago

I'm guessing combat evolved has a smaller scope in general the later half of the game features a ton of backtracking and reused assets making it a easier game to remake on a deadline

Its also a better choice if this is the first game to be multiplatform mind you I think it's pretty much a given that anyone with a passing curiosity has played this by now in some way be it pc or brought a used console for a few bucks

darthv725d ago

This will likely come to PS5 at the same time. 25 years of XB.... shared with PS.

Obscure_Observer5d ago

It´s gonna be among best sellers on PS Store next year regardless.

raWfodog5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

I would love to see Lost Odyssey come over to PS5. I would definitely buy that again. That was the first game that I played on my 360. Loved the story and battle system. One of the best JRPGs of all time in my opinion.

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