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Wii vs Move vs Kinect: We All Lose

from DAMNLAG.com:

"With the Wii selling faster than the Bible, and with Microsoft and Sony trying their hardest to duplicate its success, it’s now a perfect time to compare the Big Three’s motion control peripherals. With a generation headed in a new buttonless direction, “whose the best” is starting to become the only big question."

boogeyman9995212d ago

This will get the fanboys going....

Lawliet5212d ago

A gamer such as myself had yet to lose anything, or will be losing any with motion controls. Exactly Who is the "We" he referring to?

sikbeta5212d ago

I don't lose Anything, I don't have a wii but I tried and I hate what they did to Zelda, Liked RE:UC and everything else was like "fun" for 10 minutes or so, I don't have a x360, so I'm not gonna spend $300 for the console + $150 for the kinect add-on, I have a PS3 and I can [Choose] to Buy Move or not, I'll buy it but it's not like the introduction of motion-control gaming on my console of choice will affect my Gaming Experience...

frjoethesecond5212d ago (Edited 5212d ago )

It's amazing how the first comment makes lite of the fanboys and yet the fanboys still bite and flame everyone who doesn't agree with them. Just wait. In an hour there'll be a ton of people making asses of themselves despite what we just said here.

yess5212d ago

You know what?
I am actually starting to think, it's the hardcore getting jealous on the casual, for getting something they might like.And the fanboys love to spin it...

I did try to see the point of this article, but i think i failed.

deadreckoning6665212d ago

I like the title. It speaks the truth.

BldyShdw5212d ago

I'm not going to lose anything with move, with games like Sorcery and Socom 4 for the hardcore.

Let me try with Kinect.

I'm not going to lose anything with kinect, with games like Water Rafting and Kinectimals for the hardcore...........naw, doesnt work

Aphe5212d ago (Edited 5212d ago )

Sorcery = Hardcore?

So....

Harry Potter = Hardcore?

forcefullpower5212d ago

I actually think sorcery looks great fun. On my list to buy with move when it comes out.

ChickeyCantor5212d ago (Edited 5212d ago )

" I actually think sorcery looks great fun."

The same is said about casual games by casual players...
Do you understand where im going with this or do i need to explain it to you?

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GamingForever5212d ago

yeah, they all have downsides now...

Nakerman5212d ago

Looking forward to Kinect, should be interesting.

Mastersnake105212d ago

Kinect sucks without a controller. Agreed.

seinfan5212d ago

Motion controls suck, period. Agreed.

renegade5212d ago

Im going to stick up with my controller F*ck motion controllers.

Nihilism5212d ago

It's funny seeing all the support for motion control now that it's coming to PS360...but for the last 3 years we've heard: "Wii is for grandmothers, motion control is a gimmick"

dredgewalker5212d ago

Apparently there are millions of grandmothers out there :)

frjoethesecond5212d ago (Edited 5212d ago )

The difference IMO is the lack of hardcore games on the wii. Deadspace extraction, Metroid and the COD games worked well. They just need more horsepower IMO.

@dredgewalker
There are 100's of millions of grandmothers out there.

dredgewalker5212d ago

Lol.....i think i may also be a grandma cause i also own a Wii.

seinfan5212d ago

I still say it's a gimmick. It's disheartening to see a huge number of gamers suddenly shift paradigms. It may be a response to the impending doom that this is where the industry is heading. Motion controls may just become the standard and when/if that day comes, I'll either move to PC or give up gaming altogether.

dredgewalker5212d ago (Edited 5212d ago )

It won't happen and i think you're underestimating the relationship between a gamer and his controller.

Edit: @ Raztad
me too, one of my bubbles magically disappeared and i don't think i've ever been rude to people.

rezzah5212d ago (Edited 5212d ago )

No one is trying to take over the gaming industry with complete motion controls. Seems like everyones afraid of a little change, and that change doesnt completely change everything. Meaning controllers will always remain and motion will never tak over. Unless our tech is so advance itll make the controllers loook like they were from prehistoric times. Obviously we are hundreds of years away from something like that, so people shoudlnt get so worked up about something thats so young.

We barely touched the capabilities of motion control, let alone mind control if ever possible.

Mista T5212d ago (Edited 5212d ago )

it was the software not the controller itself, ps3 has the games to back it up

raztad5212d ago (Edited 5212d ago )

I was not sold on the motion control idea, till I saw Socom 4 played with MOVE back in GDC 2010.

I think MOVE will be great for shooters and games that require precision. It seems Move can be used like a mouse, you dont even need to point towards the screen.

OFFTopic: Good job on taking down one of my bubbles dudes. I'm noticing many PS3 owners in this site are all going down in bubbles.

@bellow

Thanks man. +1 to you too.

LightofDarkness5212d ago (Edited 5212d ago )

Just fanboys, mostly.

Edit: ah I don't really mean that. Sorry raz. Have a bubble :)

Why o why5212d ago (Edited 5212d ago )

the wii became synonymous with super casual games especially the proportion of those compared to core games. Its lack of real accuracy also tarnished motion controls. I have a wii so i think im allowed, like many others, to highlight its shortcomings. The reason people loved the wii's e3 is mainly to do with the core games they announced.

Im not sure about kinect but Move looks like it will cater to both sides with a higher percentage of games for the core fans than either the wii or kinect. The devs are implementing it so i cant see why they would stop. IF you're a 360 fan you may be pissed as ms dont have that many studios to spread the load of core and casual games development.

LightofDarkness5212d ago

True, I am looking forward to seeing what can be done with motion controls when the target audience s by and large comprised of core gamers, so I will be investing in Move. That Sorcerer game had me intrigued.

kewlkat0075212d ago (Edited 5212d ago )

While 360/PS3 fanboys jibber jabbered about consoles wars we underestimated Grandmas and Grandpas....apparently.

Nintendo kept quiet, while they smiled at the sales numbers monthly.

Nihilism5212d ago

"lack of hardcore games"

What does that even mean, define what a hardcore game is....

99% of exclusives are as main stream as they come, I don't know what you think is hardcore but ALL shooters are mainstream and marketing hype. The only games that are not are horror games and different types of games like mirrors edge...something that you don't see every other day, and by that definition the Wii is definitely hard core because the games they are putting out are different to the I.P's that constantly get milked on the other console's.

I am not saying that it is a good or bad thing, but I will say this, I sold my Wii because it was lacking in games I liked...

kewlkat0075212d ago (Edited 5212d ago )

http://n4g.com/news/547156/...

Comment #9

Most people buy a platform because it's associated with a Title/Franchises/Genre that appeals to them. Today gaming has becomes too polarizing and putting everyone in categories. It's a lot like US politics these days.

When you do have a share of people that enjoy a little bit of everything.

Colonel-Killzone5212d ago

You can't talk about other consoles milking anything when nintendo is the expert at milking your doing the double standards now -_-. What games they put that is different seriously How many mario games and also zelda metroid etc have they had over the years ? Not saying they are not fun but they surely milk their titles dry and always get a free pass when it comes to debating about them especially mario.

pippoppow5212d ago

Yep. Wii was garbage and PS3 six-axis useless. Now it's amazing and interesting. Let's see what type of games come out for the HD motion control consoles.

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State of Play returns tomorrow

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Sonic18812d ago

Hopefully not a lot of remasters

Eonjay2d ago

Agreed, but if I could pick one game to remaster first it would be Killzone 2. If you had to pick one which would it be?

Mr_cheese2d ago

I know it's not the same but I'd love a reboot of resistance or warhawk

u-bEttA-rUn2d ago

If they announce Kill Zone 2 remake or resistance 2 that multiplayer would be crazy. But Warhawk I would cry like a 2 year old 😂😂😂 give me bloody roar

ravens522d ago

God of War 1-3, Ascension, Ghost of Sparta and Chains of Olympus all in One.

RaiderNation2d ago

I love Killzone, but I would prefer a complete reboot of the franchise, using the newest version of the Decima engine, rather than simply a remaster of part 2.

SimpleDad2d ago

Sony will not do Killzone 2 or any Killzone because they don't have plans for it in the future... No TV shows, no sequel, no Lego game, no multiplayer...

This is dead for Herman... Only Aloy.
And that's sad.

Zero hype for tomorrow.

Kingrizzy902d ago

legacy of kane, resistance, or just something totally new that hasnt been already done

Cacabunga2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Hopefully zero gaas, will show that they’re starting to reason!!!
And yeah the remaster trend must also stop.
PS5 exclusives or nothing go home

A new Killzone, Uncharted, Tsushima, inFamous, Resistance, Wolverine or something original single player.

CobraKai2d ago

Killzone 1. In think that needs a retelling

Profchaos2d ago

I either want something from the infamous franchise or the cheeky answer is being lemmings back as that's now Sony

DarXyde1d 21h ago

Killzone 2 I think falls into remake territory.

I'll take a Warhawk remake or even a remaster but that's it, really.

Any remasters for a last generation game on a backwards compatible console is just insulting.

fr0sty1d 14h ago

If they do any online only live service stuff, give us MAG or Warhawk, games that actually perfected that formula.

Kurt Russell1d 12h ago

Wipeout Fusion
Kill Zone

Eonjay1d 7h ago

@Kingrizzy90

Wow. And it looks like you are the winner. Completely was not expecting that.

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IAMRealHooman2d ago

only remasters, even remasters of games that aren't even out yet

DodoDojo2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Wrong, there will also be a 2 minute snippet of Lego Horizon.

bloop2d ago

If they don't show something from a couple of their big studios after the absolute disaster they've had with Concord then I'll lose all hope. This generation has been a complete letdown so far and there's very little to look forward to at the moment.

RaidenBlack2d ago

Pretty sure : RE9, Days Gone Remaster, HZD Remaster, 1 last SH2 trailer, Wolverine trailer, Until Dawn trailer
Maybe(s) : GoT 2 announcement, DS2 (but already happening@ TGS), Pragmata, TLOU2 or SpiderMan 2 PC announcement,
Wishlist : Santa Monica & Naughty Dog's new project tease, Marathon gameplay trailer
Don't Want : Any AC Shadows trailer, Any more remasters other than the ones leaked

Eonjay2d ago

You really think that other remaster is Days Gone? And my God what happened to Pragmata?!?

seanpitt232d ago

It’s 30 minutes, I think you’re being optimistic there, don’t have high expectations, I know mine are the lowest they have ever been since what i have witnessed these past 4 years!

crazyCoconuts2d ago

Agreed w/ Sean. Keep expectations low.

Juiceup1d 19h ago

jfc what is this trash lineup Sony please

Rainbowcookie1d 5h ago

Injustice 3 I'm calling it 😃

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Christopher2d ago

Only 5 remasters. They had to cut back to squeeze in 1 new announcement. They will have another SoP next month to cover the other 12 remasters.

-Foxtrot2d ago

*monkey paw curls*

Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered

Gravity Rush 1 & 2 Remastered

Until Dawn Remastered

DarXyde1d 20h ago (Edited 1d 20h ago )

In the case of Gravity Rush, a remaster of a remaster that plays on PS5 now would be bizarre. Then again, so does Horizon.

This only makes sense if it means a PC release, but they still closed the studio and releasing this would be very poor taste.

potatoseal2d ago

I'm presonally looking forward to a Days Gone one. Would love any excuse to play that game again. I loved it

darthv721d 23h ago

Why wait for an excuse... just go play it now.

CobraKai2d ago

Im thinking showcasing Pro versions of existing games.

neutralgamer19922d ago (Edited 2d ago )

They could do a lot right by simply announcing a blood-borne remastered so many people have been waiting for it and they should not only bring it to PlayStation 5 but also PC

If they are all intent on doing a lot of remasters, how about doing some of the remasters from the games during the PlayStation 2 and three generation instead of PlayStation 4 games?

Can we get infamous collection? Can we please get Socom from the PlayStation 2 generation? Uncharted trilogy God of war trilogy twisted metal collection, kill zone trilogy, resistance trilogy some of these games they can simply just unlock online multiplayer. They’re only one need to do a lot of work and people would enjoy them

But instead, let’s just remastered the last of us horizon zero down the God of war 2018 this PlayStation Sony executive bosses are some of the most idiotic in the past 10 years

PlayStation has such a long history. They can simply do a lot of fun service and get so much positive PR but they keep making the same mistake again and again and again.

Rimeskeem1d 22h ago

I would honestly prefer remasters/remakes/reboots of games than GaaS they have tried to push.

TheEroica1d 21h ago

Release the remastered games on the sheep!

JackBNimble1d 19h ago

Hahaha... I was going to make the same joke.
That's all they have

INMATEofARKHAM1d 6h ago

Concord Remaster here we come!

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RaidenBlack1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Lol, but like most I was expecting a 'Playstation showcase' but looking at how brief the Pro reveal was ... I am guessing these short State of Plays á la N.Direct style is how Sony is going to continue.
The next big PS showcase is gonna be the PS6 event. Till then all will be SoPs.

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Relientk772d ago

Hopefully there's good games, but we'll see. Going in with low hype, and I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

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Obscure_Observer5d ago

Good.

Now that you´re releasing games and making big money from every gaming platform, you should double that amount and give us even more day one third party games!

Jin_Sakai5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

You’re delusional beyond belief. Businesses wise it doesn’t make sense and sooner or later they’ll be raising prices again to cover that billion they’re blowing every year.

outsider16244d ago

Lucky for xbox that papa microsoft is rich.

purple1015d ago (Edited 5d ago )

As someone else said earlier today, they are past the growth stage, it’s been stagnent for last 3 years, they are now in the money making stage, prepare to be goosed for as many dollars as possible for the least amount of content. It may not be bad now, (actually it is) but it will be soon (even worse) this year you got hellblade and starfirld and a load of other games that could be bought in bargain bins for about $5-30 and for that you pay them monthly

To add I honestly don’t know how you put up with the barrage of Xbox negativity (which is deserved). I put it down to:

A) you are being paid
B) you may have a problem thinking clearly
C) prefer rooting for the underdog, that’s a legit thing too. English people do it by default

Profchaos4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Yeah Aussies also love an underdog as long as that underdog isn't Xbox as they were too of the game with the 360 then lost their minds

Chevalier4d ago

3 straight years of missing Gamepass targets. Some people are just blinded by their own idiocy. Will be interesting to see if COD does anything this fall

CosmicTurtle4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

He is a troll. Designed to stoke people up on here. We know this.

It’s quite funny.

Popsicle4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Yet people still allow the troll to derail an entire topic. I don’t understand how moderation allows it.

I literally just skip the comment. This may be the best comment obscure ever made. I don’t know because I didn’t read it. I have read to many thread derailing post from this person to ever devote any time to reading another.

I wish everyone would ignore the trolls so we can have a genuine discussion. Stop feeding it and it will go away. Even just hitting the disagree button feeds it. Thats what it wants. This is the last post I will ever post about obscure because I am feeding them now.

Legit question to Mods. After such a long history of being a troll, how has this poster not been banned?

Profchaos4d ago

Is he though or does he just blindly love Xbox in the same way Sega fans loved the Dreamcast even though it was clearly dead they thought it could be redeemed

Ok yeah he's saracstic and does troll but I enjoy seeing what he comes out with it would be boring here if we never had conflicting opinions

Sonic18814d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Are you insane? You want them to double the amount when the Xbox is already struggling and losing money 🤔

Hofstaderman4d ago

Correction....XBOX is already dead.

Obscure_Observer4d ago

"Are you insane? You want them to double the amount when the Xbox is already struggling and losing money"

As long we get the games I couldn´t care less about a trillion dollar company losing money. That´s their business to worry about. I only care about the games.

And "struggling and losing money"? Really?

"Microsoft reports Xbox’s revenue is up 61% in Q4 FY24 thanks to Activision"

https://venturebeat.com/gam...

61% more revenue and BO6 is not even out yet.

MS will make a sh!t ton of money with that game alone in all platforms. So 2 Billion yearly invested in their *core* business is nothing!

So yeah, I want them to double the investments on Gamepass. Period.

Sonic18814d ago (Edited 4d ago )

"So yeah, I want them to double the investments on Gamepass. Period."

That ain't going to happen. Just because you want it 😂

fr0sty4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

They'll do that, after creating 4 more higher-priced tiers and making the one that currently includes everything only contain games that have been on the market for 4 years.

"Gamepass Ultra to the MAX: Now only $299 per year!"

MrNinosan3d ago

Already $240/year, so we're there within a year, without new tiers.

jznrpg2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

It will be 29.99$ a month eventually 360 a year

Profchaos4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

They are trying to get a return on abk and Bethesda they won't double day one we're lucky we are still getting them now that day one has been removed from base tiers

They want to make money not give it away

OlderGamer174d ago

Sorry O_O, I tought you where loosing it, but i now come to the conclusion that you realy lost it.
The coping from you is not on a stellarr level....

Flakegriffin4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Homie got 77 dislike and his brain rot will still help him think that he’s right.

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MrDead5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

I like how they twist cannibalising game sales into "invests".

No lifetime sales with MS, they'll F-up gaming the same as streaming services have done to the movie industry and it's workforce.

Fishy Fingers5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Out of interest do you think those 3rd parties signing the deal are unhappy with the severence and have a gun to their head?

Bro probably has a PS+ sub and has library full of Epic launcher free games.

TheNamelessOne4d ago

lol

Pretty much. There's a lot of hate on this site for Gamepass, but put games on the different tiers of the PS subscription, and whenever they get that free day one release, it's an entirely different tune. No talk about how this choice is killing devs.

DarXyde4d ago

Do we think they're unhappy?

Umm...YES...?

They literally need to be paid up front to put games on the service. It's become a way to gain a foothold on the platform.

Do you think Atlus would launch on Game Pass otherwise?

MrDead4d ago

"Out of interest do you think those 3rd parties signing the deal are unhappy with the severence and have a gun to their head?"

I think you mean severance... and I've noticed you don't know what it means either, MS aren't firing the third-parties they're purchasing from.

"Bro probably has a PS+ sub and has library full of Epic launcher free games."

I'm not a console gamer, but yes I do have Epic with a library full of free games... but guess what Epic rotating free games every week doesn't do. It doesn't destroy lifetime sales and cut workers out of residuals. Then you bring up PS+ a service that also doesn't destroy lifetime sales as their model allows for new releases to earn.

DivineHand1254d ago

There are pros and cons to everything. Streaming services like Netflix is no different than cable tv except it is on demand. Services like Netflix has made it so that more studios can get a share in the profit where they can reach more consumers worldwide compared to the old days where the masses will only watch a few new titles per month.

The only negative about streaming services is that it no longer makes any sense to sell DVDs and Blu-rays though it can be argued that those persons may have moved on to building digital libraries for the sake of convenience.

The reason Xbox is doing so poorly is because they are not doing enough to be competitive. Their output of AA and AAA exclusive titles are extremely low compared to the competition and they haven't had a game of the year nominee in years.

Releasing their games the same date on PC is also hurting their console and it would have been more strategic for them to delay those releases by a year similar to what Sony does to maximize profits.

Gamepass alone is not to blame for Xbox's current position because it can be argued that if the service didn't exist and they had the same gaming output as they have now, they would be in an even worst spot.

MrDead4d ago

"Streaming services like Netflix is no different than cable tv except it is on demand."

It's nothing like cable. My comment isn't a guess lifetime sale of films has shrunk to a point it's almost gone and so has the revenue it generated, that is money from competing TV networks, cable/satellite and physical media sales.

Lack of revenue transparency with streaming has meant workers job security and pay has massively diminished, earnings from residuals is almost gone for example the writer for Squid Games because of streaming gets no royalties despite series earning $900 million for Netflix, before streaming he would have royalties form lifetime sales.
Or another example Willow the series was pulled and is no longer watchable here's why: “Willow” was one of nearly 50 titles that Disney+ pulled from its streaming library in May. Other titles included the series “The Mysterious Benedict Society” and the feature film “The One and Only Ivan.” Disney CFO Christine McCarthy explained that Disney was expecting to take a write-down in the June quarter of $1.5 billion-$1.8 billion by removing content from its streaming platforms. By writing down the value of the content assets, Disney can remove that from its balance sheet and reduce its tax bill." Also when you pull a show you no longer need to pay residuals to the workers.

Have you also noticed the drop in quality on sfx or thought some older films look so much better then they do now? This is because the industry now relies on cheap labour for sfx outsourcing abroad, more green screen instead of location shooting and a lot less real extras bring life to a scene.

Streaming in gaming is going to be far worse as we've seen with MS consolidating a massive part of the industry to try and make the service sustainable, lifetime sales being cannibalised by gamespass and a work force that has no unions like SAG is already paying the price.

All streaming does is remove income transparency, cuts the workers from the money and sets flat rates and removes consumer ownership... but CEO's and shareholders will still be ok as they benefit from the industry consolidation.

Huey_My_D_Long4d ago

MrDead is absolutely on fire with the post.

Nothing else I have to add other than that.

DivineHand1254d ago

@MrDead like I said pros and cons. Some of those issues can alleviated with alleviated with regulatory intervention to give more transparency to the industry but unlikely anytime soon with all the lobbying going on.

The issue with the squid game's writer can be attributed to the terms and conditions he agreed to. It happens often in business as no one really knows how popular something will be until you catch that lightning in a bottle. I remember reading about how Nintendo hardly made anything off Pokemon Go dispite Niantic making Billions.

I don't blame streaming services for studios finding was to reduce the cost of making films. That stuff would have happened regardless because of the greed of these corporations. We see that same cost reduction happening in every industry from food to Aerospace.

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CrimsonGuardVII4d ago

@badz148 its not, it just straight lied.

gold_drake4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

we know this, we have known this since last year.

this is not new or news.

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