I Am A Christian; Kojima Cares About Me?

Ernice Gilbert talks about the prospect of Kojima's secret "taboo" game being a title based around Christianity.

[Batzi]

I am telling you guys, if Kojima brings "religion" on the table, chaos will be unleashed. Mark my words.

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

Religion *shakes head*

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

I agree with you somewhat. I just find Religion rather restrictive (thats not all). I've had too many major setbacks putting faith and self responsibility into the hands of the somewhat unknown. I just take the Bible, Koran and other books as knowledge, not something to base my life on.

[PoSTedUP]

major i see your point like certain religions are TO restrictive where they dont want you to do anything or be involved with anyone other then from your own religion.

i believe there is "something" out there but i dont think it can blame me for not "picking" a religion because there is a lot of corrupt and i see flaws in all religions and there are so many to "choose" from. i do learn from the bible though but i am a good person w/o it also. it shares a lot of good principles and i believe we should all follow MOST of them. (certain religions say things i dont agree with)

on topic of games... LOL @ moses stealth popping out of the sand.

[Parapraxis]

@ WrAiTh Sp3cTr3,
I don't know how much good knowledge you can gleam from those books that you couldn't from any other books. If anything they encourage people to NOT THINK. And a lot of the so-called "knowledge" they do contain has led to some of the worst things in past and present.
I'll just leave it at that as I don't want to start an all-out holy flamewar.

OT: I hope Kojima knows what he's doing if he does tackle this mythology as a source.
As sad as it is, offending peoples religion is considered to be very bad, even dangerous. Just look at the Norwegian comic artist or Ayaan Hirsi Ali. =(

[ReservoirDog316]

Well, I wouldn't say that this is actually gonna happen. It might (you never know) but nothing really points to it.

Would be interesting to see it happen eventually though. So few try to tackle the subject and the games industry will never mature till someone actually does.

[Bobbykotickrulesz]

In my opinion, Religion is a perfectly fine thing to follow. For example: The bible, if nothing else, can be used as a sort of guideline to live your life .

What ISN'T perfectly fine, is when a religous person is a hypocrite. Such as a child molesting priest. OR if someone shoves their beliefs down your throat. Man has killed in the name of God, waged war in the name of God, etc etc.

But what people forget is, religion didn't do all those things, man did. I'm perfectly fine with someone being a Christian as long as they're a good, honest person.

[ReservoirDog316]

Yeah, I get your point about those terrible people that molest kids and such.

But something you have to remember: according to the bible, we're (christians) are all hypocrites. We all sin, all aren't perfect, so you really shouldn't imagine that just cause people believe in God, that doesn't mean they are perfect. We should try to be, but we never will be.

That's the whole point about what Jesus did. He took every sin we've ever done and erased them. All we have to do is believe in him and we're saved from all wrongdoing. And we'll still continue to sin even after that, but it's been forgiven.

That doesn't mean we're automatically allowed to do bad though, but you have to allow some room for mistakes. That's something a lot of people stumble on; they think all christians should be perfect and hate God and everything whenever they're not.

If you have an open mind to this, just try reading Romans in the bible. It explains all this better than I ever could.

edit: http://www.biblegateway.com...

There's more to Romans but that might be a good starting place.

[Bobbykotickrulesz]

"That doesn't mean we're automatically allowed to do bad though, but you have to allow some room for mistakes."

People use that as an excuse to do evil.

[RedSky]

It annoys me when people imply that religion is perfect (in this case Christianity) and it's only us mere mortals that are screwing it up.

Let's get one thing straight. The bible in no uncertain terms says the first-borns of Egypt were apparently all killed, just because their Pharaoh wouldn't do what was asked of him. So unless you're in favor of collective punishment and genocide, what the hell are you talking about?

And hey, that's hardly the exception. Slavery, and stoning adulterers, gays and disobedient children is apparently a-okay too according to the bible. Or at least if it was at some point then it must be now right? After all, morality is absolute, not relative.

[fr0sty]

yes it will, but you do gotta admit that some of the bible's stories would make a good game. look at revelations...

[n4f]

ho yeah but there is much more than revelation
moses as a stealth game(he kill an egyptian and hide it in the sand)

[ReservoirDog316]

Haha

[hay]

There's no taboo for me. Bring it on Kojima, you have one copy sold in me, as long as game's good.

[exnihilonihilfit]

The game will probably be critical of christianity, not in favor of it, but even then it would only be so allegorically and not openly.

When Kojima says it challenges a taboo and may force him to leave the industry, that doesn't necessarily imply that it has anything to do with religion but more so politics or about what games are.

The author of this article is just desperate for attention, his theory has no basis outside of his ridiculous wild fantasy. Moreover, his view of Christianity is fairly narrow. Also Dante's Inferno = Game based on Christianity. Also Assassin's creed deals with Christianity, but is highly critical of it.

[jaredhart]

if he did a game about Islam.

[Batzi]

I am pretty sure Islam is the last of his concerns as far as religion goes. He will hit the subject and criticize chronologically starting with "Judaism".

[The Meerkat]

Hinduism would be older.
And they have blue Gods, so it would sell well to Halo fans.

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

That was some funny shit!

[Staircase]

lol'd

[FragMnTagM]

It doesn't belong in gaming, politics, school, or any other place sane rational place human beings gather.

[tplarkin7]

Worshiping God in secret is good, but it absolutely belongs in education. Thus, the major issue with government funded education.

[bjornbear]

i hope you mean "absolutely DOESN'T belong in education" =P

however, I have to say, teaching about RELIGION at school is good, but actually worshiping a god in school = insult to intellect.

[Parapraxis]

@ bjornbear,
Kids should be taught about the various religions in school.
Teach them just the way we learned about Greek mythology, Egyptian mythology and the rest.

It is mythology and the fact that the education system does not treat like that is one of the biggest problems with people understanding religions place.

[RefuelTheFire]

State-based schools should remain objective and not force any specific religion down anyone's throat.

However, a private school funded by christian denominations has the right to teach religious classes and require chapel. If you do not like that, then the parent has the right to pull their child from school.

BTW, being a Christian is not an insult to a person's intellect. I have met several intelligent, successful people who have gone and studied in depth the world's many different religions from atheism (it is a religion due to the fact that it is based around a belief set) to buddhism to Islam and chose Christianity after looking at the facts. Granted many of them chose another religion as well.

[Parapraxis]

"atheism (it is a religion due to the fact that it is based around a belief set)"
No it's not, a lack of belief is NOT A BELIEF, just like a lack of a HOBBY isn't a hobby.

[wicko]

Whooaaa.. Atheism is not a religion.. in no way do athiests have a set of beliefs. Where did you get such a ridiculous idea?

[vickers500]

"it is a religion due to the fact that it is based around a belief set"

Then you must also call not believing in fairies a religion, or not believing in santa clause or unicorns a religion.

[RefuelTheFire]

Atheism is the belief or doctrine that there is no God, that only the natural world exists, and there is no supernatural. It is the belief that science can explain the whole nature of the universe starting with the big bang, through the formation of stars and planets, and culminating in the evolutionary process that brought us to modern times. A religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe. Since atheism concerns these topics in its belief set, atheism is hence a religion, just not an organized one like Christianity.

[vickers500]

Atheism is not a religion you idiot. Atheism is LACK OF BELIEF. You are assuming that every atheist places some explanation in place of the meaning of the universe. That's a generalization. We don't claim to know the origins of the universe, however we've educated ourselves enough to know that the religions such as Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc. are not the answer.

Here's a pretty good quote that may help you understand(don't know, nor plan to research who said it): "Atheism is as much of a religion as bald is a hair color".

[wicko]

It's not a goddamn religion. The entire idea OPPOSES religion. We don't *believe* in gravity, we have laws that PROVE it. Any ideas about how the universe started are purely theoretical, for which we have no proof. There are just some theories that people support and are attempting to prove it. Science is about KNOWING things, not "believing" them.

[George Sears]

Xenosaga had lots or religious references and I mIght say that it was pretty cool once you understood them.

And what about Dantes Inferno? Because of books that depicted Hell to be a place of torment like this one, the catholic church made it become the norm to believe in such a fantasy place. Now, everybody believes that if you go to hell you are fucked up with fire and shit.

Besides references, creating a game solely on religion is stupid. Why? Because you are alienating all the religious freaks that believe in there own god/gods.

I doubt Kojima would do a game based on religion. He doesn't look like a religious person to begin with. Let him stick with what he knows best.

[Megahurtz1986]

Betta be careful with this one. I'm no Christian but I do Believe in a Higher power

[Focker420]

Soooo... hes gonna show how ridiculous it is??

edit: I just read the article, it has absolutely no relationship to Christianity. This guy has lost his marbles. "Epic Christian game" LMFAO

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I'm a Christian.

I don't think everyone here understands what it means to be a Christian.

I just want to clarify.

We believe Christ came to Earth and died so that we may be forgiven of our sins.

We don't tell other people they're stupid for not believing what we do.
We aren't hypocritical jerks who take everything personally.
We love all people and will do anything in our power to help them.

Those "Christians" you see on TV are not Christians.

[Megahurtz1986]

Agree to a certain Extent. The Word christian never appears in the Bible once neither English nor Hebrew. I Believe in YHWH the most high.

[Panther52799]

Acts 11:26

Acts 26:28

1 Peter 4:16

just wanted you to know that the term Christian is in the Bible. :)

[Megahurtz1986]

yeah your right I apologize for that comment. What I was really trying to say is the Christ nor the Most high commanded us to be Christians. Salvation will be among the Jews. I'm not Jewish either lets clear that up. I consider myself an Israelite though from the Tribe of Judah. Gods Chosen people

[Staircase]

It's unfortunate that Christianity gets such a bad name. I'm not sure what i am religiously, but i have a profound respect for the religion, and the teachings in the bible.

It should be seen for it's views and ideals, not for it's extremists.

Lets hope this article doesn't spawn a religion argument. Those get bad quick.

[n4f]

amen to all that

[Parapraxis]

But you surely could tell me where I'm going eh Leon.
I'm an atheist.

[vickers500]

Please define the term christian, because I see people who try as best as they can to follow the bible commit at least one of those actions on your list all the time. You should realize that other "christians" are saying the exact same things about other christians, don't you?

I was having an argument with a guy in my tech class, who was very ignorant, judgemental, and told me I was going to hell every single day (not in an angry way, but certainly not in a caring about my soul kind of way). By the tone of his attitude it was more of a "I'm right, YOU'RE WRONG!!!". Anyways, I would have arguments with this person about other christians, explaining all the evil, ridiculous, and hateful things people have done in the name of religion, and he comes back at me with "Well those aren't TRUE christians".

How are they not true christians? Is there some sort of system in place for determining a "true" christian? If there isn't, you guys need to come up with one. And who are you to say who is a true christian anyway? Some of these people who do these awful things truly truly believe it's the right thing to do, and believe it in their hearts and are truly convinced that it's what god wants them to do.

What makes you a true christian and them not one?

[Staircase]

I wonder which way it goes. It used to be taboo to go against Christianity, but in recent times it seems almost like more are against it than for it. Especially the demographics that play video games.

He should have made a game about androgynous men who whine and run around naked. Blurring the lines between gender.

Oh wait.

[Focker420]

Its because we are in the age of science and common sense.

A few questions... How does the bible explain the Universe?? Why are a man's sins more important than any other creature's?? Where is this magical heaven?? I'd believe God was an alien before I'd think he was some mystical being. It would at least be more probable.

[SilverSlug]

if you believe in God. Move on. No one cares.

[gamingisnotacrime]

seriously who cares about what others belive.
live and let live

[wicko]

I start to care when it affects what others believe.

[MechaGear]

christianity still a taboo?
hellooo, 2010?
we still aren't beyond oriental fairy tales ?

[Panther52799]

Christianity did not originate, nor is it tied to the Orient. that would be buhdism or however you spell it. and no, they are not the same thing, different leaders for one and different beliefs as well, not to mention buhda is still in his tomb, while Christ has risen, His tomb is empty. :))

[MechaGear]

You do know that the orient begins beyond the bosporus, don't you?
I would't ever lament against buddhism or hinduism.
They're as peaceful as they're old and wise in so many respects.
Monotheism then again was just a tool for autocracies.
One God, one King. Couldn't have come worse.

[Vo_Cal]

There is not a religion around that cannot be traced back to Ancient Civilizations. And then traced back to Astrological Interpretation from those said civilizations.

It's all a hoax. Step ur game up.

[jagstatboy]

to Panther, well said, bubbles.

[wicko]

Time to go kill some zombies.

[huzzaahh]

I agree wholeheartedly with MechaGear and Vo_Cal.

[gamingisnotacrime]

next game please

I live in the Caribbean, Does Sony care about me when they built the PS3?- who gives a sht, is irrelevant

[e-p-ayeaH]

No one blamed Heavy Rain devs by allowing the player to kill a freak christ follower preparing for the end of the world.

[NYPunkster]

I heard that the next COD will have 11 prestige levels and when you finally reach the highest prestige level you'll unlock Jesus...the ultimate warrior. lol

Well if you're going to include one religion then you have to included them all. Fair? I won't buy any but for you fanatics out there, enjoy.

[bjornbear]

do I care if Kojima cares about me?

NO

does that matter so as long as he makes awesome games?

NO

[patterson]

Haha so true. "Waaaah what about me"

[LordMarius]

Not this again.

Politics and Religion dont belong on N4G, we already argue about enough things

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

¿No one mention anything about the the Nuclear Weapons, Nano technology, Politics, Cold War and stuff like from MGS Franchise?

¿No? So I don't think including in a new game Christianity would be a problem.

[Greyfoxdbz]

did he put "epic" and "Christian" in the same sentence?

[sam2236]

*Facepalm*

[thebudgetgamer]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[xino]

none believers are going to hell:P

Repent! >:P

[Greyfoxdbz]

And believers are going to be disapointed when they die..... wait, I dont think you can feel disapointment when you stop existing

[huzzaahh]

That's exactly what I try to explain to people, but they're stuck in their own little worlds. It sure is a shame.

I'm an Atheistic Satanist, which might seem like an oxymoron, but it isn't. It's Atheism, but it's spiced up with the use of Satan as a metaphor for human nature. Look it up.

[Senden]

Lol.. fools optimism.. only Christian games you'll get are cheap little fan made ones.. no big game developer is ever going to risk making a religious game as the backlash from fans would be merciless and very unforgiving.

[elivegansan]

no one cares about your religion. go away

[Drithe]

Christianity is about a perfect love of self, the world and others around you, and the god that created it. The ONE god had a hippy jew son named Jesus who preached that peace, unselfishness, caring, humility and love should be the way of the world. Thier followers did nothing more, in the beginning of christianity that is, than follow these rules to destroy the emptiness of thier souls.

Some where along the line that message got messed up by those who would use it to gain financial and political gain.

End of Line.

[XactGamer]

I would love to play religious games based on Christian, Jewish or Muslim history. Strong religious themes have been done in gaming before but not an entire game.

[jagstatboy]

it would be awesome to play as Samson and kill thousands of Philistines with a donkey's jawbone....all the while avoiding Delilah of course :)

[Figboy]

wants to address Christian issues in his next title, I'm all for it.

The problem with religion these days is that people have twisted the core ideals of the religion and used them as a power play.

I may be from a Christian background, but I believe 100% that the other religions are just as valid as my own. I don't think that Christianity, or Hinduism, or Islam, or Buddhism have hit it right on the head, but I believe that they are all facets of the same ideal: have a strong sense of self, right and wrong, and stop being a douche to one another.

It's unfortunate that those rather reasonable ideals are buried under the more despicable things that people do in the name of religion.

I have a strong sense of personal responsibility. I don't blame other people for my problems, and certainly not "The Devil." I believe that negative thinking affects your life, and I DO believe that there is negative energy that can also impact your surroundings, if not an actual "Devil" with a pitchfork and horns, sitting on a throne in some inferno.

I think a lot of people take the things written in books like the Bible too literally, instead of metaphorically. I mean, in an age when the written and spoken language was new and unrefined, how ELSE would you expect to communicate your thoughts and feelings but with metaphor?

I don't think having hope and faith is, in itself, a bad thing. I don't think people should just throw their hands up and expect "God to make a way," without any actual effort on the part of the individual, but I have to say that, without hope and faith, I probably wouldn't be here right now. It's gotten me through some amazingly tough times in my life, and I probably wouldn't have my beautiful wife to start a future with.

Now that that's out of the way, as far as video games is concerned, I think Christianity, and especially the Bible, has some rather fantastic stuff that would make for some excellent video game fodder.

There's war, betrayal, acts of God (the fall of Sodom and Gomorrah could be a particularly cool set piece for a game), and of course, gratuitous T&A and sex.

Knowing Kojima, he'll more than likely approach the topic from his usual contemplative way, and we'll get an assload of cutscenes of characters waxing poetic about Caribou. lol.

I don't care if Kojima makes a game about the Care Bears, I'm picking it up. That guy has earned a fan for life, honestly.

[Batzi]

"I don't care if Kojima makes a game about the Care Bears, I'm picking it up. That guy has earned a fan for life, honestly."

DAMN STRAIGHT!!! Quote of the year!

[silvacrest]

i say leave religion out of games because any little thing that is interpreted the wrong way could have the game cancel'd/banned

[GeoScore]

stupid religious people can't let go can they? Seriously, how is this considered gaming news? Utter bullcrap more like it. You really think Kojima is gonna create a religious game? Yeah freaking right... His Metal Gear games have loads of "questionable" attributes - this guy isn't gonna go all bible just for these low lifes who can't live in the times. Seriously people..grow the hell up and get out of the 1840's.

[madara0sama]

Religions is for sad people who can't face how much life sucks so they blame it on whatever their religion is. Sadly some kids grow up believing in relgion because they are brain washed to. Only the smart ones capable of thinking individualy and out of the box can break free and become what is an atheist. LOL AT THIS

ROFL I can't im arguing about religions in an gaming news site. Gamers are really crazy fucks.

EDIT* IM NOT GOING AGAINST ANY RELIGION! SOMETIMES RELIGION CAN BE HEALTHY!

[GrilledCheeseBook]

i like how he says no religion has faced persecution more than born again christians. I guess he forgot about the Jews.

[patterson]

To the author: You're not entitled to anything. Get over it.

[Nodoze]

Just make ZOE 3. THEN you can tackle whatever you like.

[Charles]

"I Am A Christian" (?) WTF! To hell with that!! It just a game! Come on people!