The myth that Xbox360 is maxed out is invalid now

VGArabia: There was a time when I wrote an article about how previous multiplatform engines like the Unreal Engine 3 (lots of Xbox360 exclusives also used the same engine) didn’t do the Xbox360 justice. Also, in the same article I said that upcoming games and upcoming engines are going to change this situation and you are going to see so much better looking games on Xbox360 than what we used to see from before. Guess what? I was 100% right.

[Shaman]

And i have been saying this all along and nobody listened...

[yewles1]

Sorry... what's that?

[kancerkid]

Anybody who thinks either of the consoles are maxed out knows little about the hardware involved and less about video game development.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

you know, microsoft getting rid of the requirement of allowing developers to program in Sub-hud doesnt isnt going cut it with such a statement, you know...

especially possibly 3/4's of the games there are probably leading on PS3..

[FangBlade]

And to think that it actually runs better and more stable on the PS3!
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Edit: why am I getting disagees? check the link, it's right there.

"(Oh, and in case you're wondering, Willits claims it's currently even more stable on PS3.)"

[Domer25]

It's N4G, that's why. People will disagree no matter what you link. Bubbles up brother^^^, its getting rough out here!

[JANF]

@ fangblade

"Oh, and in case you're wondering, Willits claims it's currently even more stable on PS3."

The key word in that sentence is "Currently", that doesn't mean the final build is going to be more stable. For references check all the multiplatform games already release, 95% of the time they run better on Xbox 360.

[raWfodog]

They just hate to hear any good news about the PS3. It will be just as good, if not better, on the PS3 and PC.

Bubble up, fangblade.

[hoops]

Game is not out yet to make that assumption...Ghostbusters is prime example of why you wait until the game is out ot make conclusions.

Edit below:

Thats what they did with Fallout 3 and the difference is HUGE between the versions.

[TheXgamerLive]

this was just a comment he made b/c butt hurt fanboys like your selves would be upset if he didn't say it, also, it doesn't look as good on the ps3 as it does on the Xbox 360, it runs stable b/c as you well know ps3 games take ALOT more work to get up to par with the 360, so they have to put twice as many people working on it. BUT! The best version is the Xbox 360! How can i say that? It's what he used to showcase the game, didn't he? yep yep. bye bye little but hurt fanboy.

[TheXgamerLive]

watch the 1up live demo, also done on the Xbox 360. when asked is one looking better than the others, he said NO, they all run at 60 htz., so enough, RAGE is going to be a hella sweet game on all 3 XBOX 360, PS3, and PC

[poopface1]

They said that to make up for their statement and they are trying to do that right now, Ill believe it when I see it.

The game isnt out, but the ps3 version will not have better fps than 60. It could be at 60FPS and better visuals too, but I wonder why they didnt show it?

[mcslick101]

Devs should lead on PC and then port to consoles, that way we see real graphics and real comparisons and that way, each console version can be dumbed down so it runs at its maximum potential on that console. No more whining about which console is holding what back.

In reality, consoles are holding back the advancement of graphics.

[SOAD]

Good point. I want to see what current high end PCs can do.

[Rainstorm81]

Thats exactly what they do......damn near everygame is made on PC

Edit:
Oh ok you meant designed for top PCs hardware and not the Consoles ok......

[mcslick101]

You're saying that they build a game for PC and then dumb it down for consoles? That's not the case.

Just because a game is built on a PC, doesn't mean the the game pushes the boundaries of two GTX 480s. The game they built is closely monitored by it's lead dev console, to make sure that it gets a good frame rate on that console. That's what meant by 'lead console'. So in reality, no user is getting 'The Graphical Best Experience'.

[rkimoto]

well it's obviously no secret that PC's are more powerful, but porting games from PC's to consoles is sometimes not the best thing for consoles, as it will always be better to develop for a single platiform if you want to get the most quality.

What I don't like about PC's is that there's new hardware coming out every 6 months, which makes it very inefficient since programmers almost never get to squeeze the most out of them, i.e. you can see the evolution in technical specs for PS2 games, you can see a noticeable difference in increased quality from the latest games from the ealier ones.

For that same reason, it's dumb to say that any console, or platform for that matter, is already maxed out, there will be always options to optimize hardware.

Developers that don't start programming with a PC have a financial decision not to, it's their business and they best know how to go at it.

[The real killer]

And i syaing all the time it's maxed out.
There is no game looks like as Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2 to begin with it.

[mcslick101]

Actually I'm pretty sure the majority of devs could scale an engine twice the power of KZ2 or UC2, but choose not to because they'll have less of a market, which is understandable.

Don't go saying that consoles can compare to PC. You don't have any where near the amount of features we have, yet. I think it will be a long time for consoles to even have 3/4 of what PC gaming can offer.

BTW, you don't have to have a €2000 behemoth to play games, only if you're going to develop games. €500 will build you a PC better than any console.

[Heisenberg]

You said: "Actually I'm pretty sure the majority of devs could scale an engine twice the power of KZ2 or UC2, but choose not to because they'll have less of a market, which is understandable."

Now seeing as that literally made no sense, I was hoping you could elaborate... ?

[WengYong]

They are talking about 360 not PC, duh of course PC will blow consoles out of the water in terms of graphics, but your notion that graphics equal better game is foolish. 1998, Metal Gear Solid dropped on the PS1, and blew everyones mind. Wasn't the graphics, but the experience that was fresh. A talented developer doesn't need to rely on graphics cards and over clocked CPUs to make a good game, that's whats actually holding games back to begin with. Art for example, with simple canvas and base colour paints a talented artist can create something truly remarkable. Sure someone with an air brush could make something look better, but it will never ever be a Mona Lisa or a Picasso.

[The real killer]

"Actually I'm pretty sure the majority of devs could scale an engine twice the power of KZ2 or UC2, but choose not to because they'll have less of a market, which is understandable"

What a nonsens, Killzone 2 engine use only 55% power of the PS3 power, look how Killzone 3 looks? Do i need more to say?

The point is, there is no single game exclusive or multi platform pass Killzone 2 let alone Uncharted 2 or GOW3/GT5.

"Don't go saying that consoles can compare to PC. You don't have any where near the amount of features we have, yet. I think it will be a long time for consoles to even have 3/4 of what PC gaming can offer"

I did not mention the PC, but PS3 game can easy compare with PC games not the 360.

"BTW, you don't have to have a €2000 behemoth to play games, only if you're going to develop games. €500 will build you a PC better than any console"

I have a over 2000,- PC ;) But i can understand that.

[hoops]

Because Real Killer you know squat. A person like you who actually posted on N4G.COM that the RSX ALONE had 1.6 Teraflops CANNOT be taken seriously EVER.
Btw. Crysis 2 on consoles is already looking better than those games you just mentioned. But you and others WILL never admit it because it would than crush the theory you guys have made up.

PS3 games comparing to PC games in what aspect? Frame rates? No. Anti-Alaising? (Real Anti-Alaising)No. HDR in FULL Floating point precsision and not 10-16FP that all consoles use? No. Resoltuion? No. Draw distance. Hell no. Textures. No way. There is YET to be a game looking like Crysis 1/Warhead on the PS3 and Xbox360 with those physics. Not a single one.
When ANY PS3 or Xbox360 game can render THIS: Then come talk. No Console game looks like that and that was from 2007

[Biggest]

"Actually I'm pretty sure the majority of devs could scale an engine twice the power of KZ2 or UC2, but choose not to because they'll have less of a market, which is understandable."

Yeah and I can dunk on a 30 foot high basketball rim. I choose not to because the NBA will have to go out of business. I like how it's their job to make better, and you think it's cool that they don't because they might have less of a market.

[OpenGL]

Last I had seen there wasn't a single game on the PC that used FP32, so I'm confused as to why you're dissing FP16 as that is all you'll currently find on the PC as well.

As to the anti-aliasing issue, what does it matter if the game uses conventional MSAA or the newer MLAA techniques? The end results are both great and pretty comparable when it comes to image quality.

Obviously Crysis couldn't be done on consoles, but you're clearly grasping at straws with your attempt to explain why.

[Perkel]

@ hoops

yeah those screens from 2006-7 was about as real as FX in matrix. Both runnin on PC that you couldn't even buy then...

Even i can do 3D model on Maya with 1000000 of polys , question is in what year i could use it..

Today in 2010 we have only one graphic card that could run Crysis 1920x1080 16AA with 60 FPS.......

[Heisenberg]

It's close enough. You aren't gonna see any drastic improvements at this point, and the space issues add up to improving one area will likely mean making sacrifices in another areas. I'm sure you can squeeze more out of it, but the illusion that the 360 can rival what's possible on the PS3 is all but dead.

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

There is only a certain group of people that says this kind of stuff. Its funny but...yeah its just funny. BTW, Gears 3 says HELLO!

[INehalemEXI]

The problem remains, MS has less 1st party studios, less unique engines = less technically impressive 360 games. Get on MS as5 about opening more studios.

It's like last year 360 fans excited about 3rd party games looking good. Ultimately 1st party games should be leading the way making 360 look like a beast. It's not like PS3 is never accused of being maxed. It's just that everytime that happens we see something else that obliterates that notion, Usually coming from ND, GG, Santa Monica, Polyphony etc.

We are just barely reaching the halfway point of the projected PS3 life cycle. I would hope MS keeps 360 competitive for years to come.

[candystop]

MS has been keeping 360 competitive. Just because 3rd parties are pushing 360 doesn't mean its a bad thing. AS long as games like this look better than anything on PS3 I'm happy. Already Gears3, Reach and Fable 3 have blown me away. Not a bad showing from MS at all this year.

[Skynetone]

tiger woods, just gets better and better every year

cant wait to see what they add next year

[Moentjers]

@Shaman

sorry dude, I couldn't here you because i was blowing on the vuvuzela

[candystop]

The PS3 version better look the same or better because if not the 360 is going to be known as the most powerful console this generation. This is simply incredible which makes me wonder how good Cryteks new game will be.

[seij555]

Uh, no. Rage does not look better than KZ3, U2, GOW3 etc.

[evilmonkey501]

Did anyone here even play crysis? that game sucks. All graphics and no gameplay. Plus that 2 second cool suit abilities ruined it for me.
And yes I play pc games too..

[HDgamer]

I played Crysis and the gameplay didn't suck. You must've had it on easy.

[St0]

Consoles will never be maxed out, developers will always find a way to push better graphics out of current gen consoles, just look at how good games looked at the end of PS2 before PS3 arrived

[MNicholas]

That's what happens when the console is easy to develop for. A homogenous CPU, unified GPU, and shared memory means that anyone and their grand-mother can max out the hardware. It's as simple as it gets.

That's why there have been no significant visual improvements.

Only a "difficult" console such as the PS2 or PS3 takes a very long time to "max out."

Are there any 360 games that even match the detail in Uncharted 1?

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[8thnightvolley]

360 is not maxed out at all.. its just a point on MS cycle that its trying to do some mega big jump with kinect it hasnt even focused on uping the graphic capabilities of the 360 coz the way i look at kinect it would take alot to make it work and make sense coz there is alot gestures out there voice accents, fat to slim ppl and so much code to crap up that all its resources is focused on making kinect work.. but after that is done.. MS will then focus of making its first party studio do something special or maybe a 3rd party exclusive..

but generally.. 360 is not maxed out.. after seeing .. RAGE running 60 fps on a 360 with that kind of graphics that will make crysis1 run for its money.. naaa... this 5 year old box still has some juice.

[MNicholas]

Almost everything in Rage is baked, ie., not dynamic. All games have some things "baked," even a game as dynamic as Killzone 2, but Rage is like a 1999 game with better textures and higher resolution.

The only interesting thing about the game is that instead of using lots of small textures they use one giant texture for the entire level and load it up as needed which means that there need not be any repeating environment textures.

Character detail, however, is repetitive and unimpressive. Lighting is unimpressive. Shadows are down-right disappointing. The water effects are atrocious.

With all the short-cuts they've taken it should be running at 60fps.

[8thnightvolley]

omg ... MNIcholas.. if u are taking japs a rage which by all means is a technical marvel being achieved on old consoles.. out of argument sake lets call out killzone2.. it was gray it was 30fps it was pre baked... *u see what i did there*
even with all these the game was a beautiful game but sure it had some question marks but it was good.. rage on the other hand is full of colour its a 60 fps game and with such high fidelity graphics that would make crysis2 quiver abit...

and now r days consoles are around the latter end of their ability to really do a major graphical leap... so its up to the devs to smartly programme games with limited resources even if they have to cunningly hide stuff or work things to look great so far it doesnt dull the over all quality and gameplay..which we knw GG did with kz2..

some call it a trick...
others call it being smart...

i pick the latter.. so far it gets the job done to wow the ppl and to make games progress ..

[thewhoopimen]

I have to say looking at Crysis2 (not Rage), there is certainly alot more juice than I thought still available left in the 360. However there still remains there is still some major tech missing in these "improved" demos that already exist and continue to exist in sony's 1st party titles. None of multiplats for example featured mocap and inverse kinematics which existed since 2008 on the PS3. I can't say much about Rage considering it's streaming an open world environment (and does so very impressively mind you), but Crysis 2? The animation is like watching Halo3. Polygon counts are still lower than comparable. what has improved greatly is high res texturing and better use of dynamic lighting. For example Crysis 2 features them on the weapon projectiles to really illuminate the environment and that's very smart.

In case some of you haven't read up, the big word these days with level design on Sony's 1st party development is dynamic levels. Ie moving levels that interact with gameplay. I am not talking about riding a circular train track on a flat surface going around and around. Levels are rising, sinking, and twisting to affect gameplay. I don't think I have seen it in any of the multiplats mentioned thus far. You can see a little of that going on in KZ3 with the floating icebergs, but the best example has to be both God of War 3 and Uncharted 2's levels. Perhaps Crysis2 will showcase this, who knows? But I don't think so given what they've just "managed" to achieve on all consoles.

[avengers1978]

How can anyone be excited about 360 after that press conference. Sure they had better looking games then they did a year ago, but still not up to standards that have been set on Sony PS3. Plus Natal"kinect" was lame, super lame.

[EvilBlackCat]

RAGE WON THE E3 PERIOD

NOT HALO REACH

NOT BORINGZONE3

NOT GT5

NOT BRINK

NOT MEDAL OF HONOR

NOT CRYSIS

ITS ALL RAGE NOW

NOW SUDDENLY MGS SUCK RIGHT LOYALISTS?

PS3 loyalists
Stop bashing and start talking about new ideas and what you want and what you dont want in the games that way the developers will know exactly what we want.

Its pure logic that graphics are going to be better every single year but what about gameplay? so instead of wasting your damn time complaining and fighting about graphics why not discuss about fncking gameplay and ideas.

TO ALL P.R. bastards at the web and specially here in n4g GET THE FnCK OUT!

[ImmortalLegend]

As a owner of both consoles I must admit that PS3 fans tend to exaggerate the difference in graphics. I mean the PS3 exclusives like God of War 3, Heavy Rain, UC2, look great, but they are not a shit load better than some of the games you see graphically on the 360. They make it seem as if the games on the 360 are like gameboy pocket and the games on the PS3 are like PSP (sorry can't think of another comparison XD). In conclusion, yes the games look a little bit better than games on the 360, but not horribly better IMHO.

[Consoldtobots]

lets ignore all this bloviating by butthurt fanboys and get to the point shall we?

despite all this hootin and hollerin about the 360 having "graphical muscle" left (as if that's the only thing that makes a game good)it doesn't really address the problem does it?

Abysmal storage solution

Non existent first party studios

a motion control platform that is looking like a complete disaster in the making

MSs inability to be original or innovative (360 slim anyone?)

with all the things going against it as a platform does arguing over one multiplatform game "proving the 3-6tee isn't maxed out" really mean much?

I think not, you be the judge.

[Silver360]

have nothing to do with the 360 being maxed out. The games that were put out that looked inferior than PS3 first party games has more to do with those developers for MS having their talent maxed out. As we can see now you can't blame the console you can only blame the developers and their attitude of it is good enough. They should have been trying harder since Uncharted 1.

[alaa]

The games featured in the article are some of the best looking games at E3 2010 and all of them are on Xbox360.

[Duke Spookem]

Oh wait...It's from that garbage arabia site. This article is irrelevant it seems. Almost thought it was a HHG article for a second.

[ArcFatalix]

yawn flamebait site

[K-Tuck]

Agreed. Such a shameless self-fellating intro to boot.

It's one thing to be excited about the games, and I can understand that. But the author instilled the undertone of "I am right, everyone else is wrong, Xbox 360 is the best."

[immortal84]

Crysis 2 and Rage say the opposite.

[nickjkl]

crysis 2 and rage are not all that they didnt blow me away atleast like you guys are saying

maybe its because ive been pc gaming to much but still it didnt look like much or maybe im mising something that everyone else is seeing that puts it over the top for console graphics

[prodg52]

Umm.. the Crysis 2 trailer was using the PC engine.

[Dusdg]

Good thing that article was not using the Crysis 2 trailer.

[Chuk5]

Why do people take solace in the fact that the 360 may be maxed out. Secondly, gameplay above graphics. Thirdly, Rage says hi.

[8thnightvolley]

ppl just want to be close minded retards... rage and crysis2 speak alot about the 360 capabilities.. and its far from maxed out..

[Dusdg]

Why do people have such a problem with the 360 not being maxed out.

[Shaman]

Wow...so many butthurht fanboys...listen guys,giving disagrees wont make the games like Crysis 2 and RAGE sudenly go away.You had long ride with your arrogant stance,its over.Now you can actually concentrate on playing games rather than spreading the fud on net.

Wow its panic in the Sony land,i can sense.I mean...cmon...so many disagrees?No prob.Give it to me.The more disagrees you get on this site the better you preach.Even your buy,HHG wont be able to spin this one around.The FACT that Crysis 2 and RAGE are owning.E3 turned out to be massive ownage for you guys i can only imagine how you feel...believing in fud for over 4 yrs to just to see its not true and now,in non believing what is happening in front of your very own eyes in trying to make that feeling go away you are panicky pressing disagree buttons,realizing you cant give more than one disagree you are making alt accounts but it does not help to whip that awful felling...its REAL,there is nothing you can do about it :)
Enjoy your stay at N4G.

[Jamie Foxx]

'are people really this emotionally attached to an electronic device that they actually feel that they are in the trenches fighting a war?'

your whole comment really seems to come from your heart like you 'in this fighting' im not knocking you,i just dont understand it.

are you at e3? because i didnt know rage and crysis2 were in your words 'ownin' e3, from the people that are actually THERE it seems killzone 3s graphics and 3DS are what most people are writing articles about...oh and microsofts poor conference. truth doesnt need to hurt if your not emotionally attached to a piece of hardware...re-evaluate your life and realise 'why so serious'

[Boy3000]

"3are you at e3? because i didnt know rage and crysis2 were in your words 'ownin' e3, from the people that are actually THERE it seems killzone 3s graphics and 3DS"

You can take "killzone 3s graphics" out of that sentence. Stop fooling yourself. A lot of things are making a lot of noise at E3 but definitely not Killzone 3.

[ape007]

I don't know how the hell you got disagrees, what the fuck?? how can a human being with a functional brain in his head disagree with that, that's it ps3 N4G extreme you are BUSTED

[Jacobite]

what panic in sony land what are you talking about, only 'fud' I'm reading here is yours. KZ2 nd U2 still looks better than any Xbox 360 game in graphics dept, yes some nice looking games on the 360 but they are starting to look dated only so much polish can go into a game. Microsoft will be first with their next console to overtake sony then it will start again. Crysis 2 I'm hoping is going to be great on either console i'll be buying PC for me & 360 version for my son. Rage in the other hand UT3 still looks miles better in my opinion. By the way you sound like a fanboy yourself bitching about other fanboys buthurt a two way thing lol

[Chuk5]

It's shockingly surreal.

[SOAD]

It would be disturbing if it was all one guy.

And even more disturbing if even the 360 fanboys were that same guy. It would just be one guy on this site, having drawn out arguments with himself.

[Pennywise]

I seriously question some of the members here on both sides. I have most of the PS3 fans on my friends list for the PSN... But I'm sure there is a guy with multiple PS3 accounts here.

Funny stuff! I'm sure if they dedicated themselves to a job like they do their console of choice they would be rich!

[Raf1k1]

It was the opposite a couple of years ago. I guess each side gets it's time.

edit: I guess people can't remember the time when 360 fans were saying the PS3 is already maxed out and that it couldn't even handle multi-plats.

[edhe]

Couple of years ago both sony and the ps3 were a joke. Now all consoles are strong and all of them are having a resurgence.

This site is ridiculous.

I can't see half the comments 'cos they're under 2 bubbles. And the stuff i do see is mostly fools who don't know what the 'console war' has done until now...

sigh.

[Doc Sony]

Its probably not maxed out, but what good is it if these awesome looking multiplats still can't give PS3's top exclusives a run for their money.

Whats the point? If it truly isn't maxed out then present me a game on it that destroys Uncharted 2, Killzone 2 and GOW 3's graphics.

You can't.

[The Creep]

here you go. its name is crysis 2. i wouldnt say it destroys those games you mentioned but i would say it certainly looks better then them.

http://www.gametrailers.com...

http://www.gametrailers.com...

[Snakefist30]

It looks worst than HELL!!!

[piramides30]

Enslaved = Uncharted 2? What a joke.
Enslaved is a good looking game for what I've seen so far but not that good.
MGSRising is almost the same MGS4 with little improvements.

[JANF]

"MGSRising is almost the same MGS4 with little improvements. "

And yet PS3 enthusiasts claim that MGS4 was only possible on PS3. This is an example of how far the fanboys will go to defend their console, to the point where they go completely blind.

[Argento-Nox]

@JANF

What we've seen is small footage clips of MGS:Rising, not the whole game. The cut scene was visually nice, but the actual gameplay didn't look stunning IMO, nor did it show enough on screen to actually challenge the game in a visual sense.

Look at Alan Wake for example, it looked visually great prior to release, it looked great after release, nonetheless it was still sub-HD and far from contention as best visual game of the year. I think everyone should take a "wait and see" approach, b/c I'm already certain one of the titles, Enslaved, will not challenge for best visuals. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple more of the titles in question, don't challenge exclusives like GeOW3, Halo Reach, KZ3 or GT5 for best looking game.

[labwarrior]

I knew would happen

[Nike]

Dammit, as if we didn't have enough flamebait sites. I thought VG Arabia were gone for good when we hadn't seen them for the past 2 months...

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

As soon as I read, "but the most impressive looking games at E3 2010 in my opinion were multiplatform games." by Ahmad Dajani there is no point to looking at the rest but luckily the rest was only videos, lol.

I think a lot of *people* said the XBOX 360 is maxed out because it is well known from developers that the XBOX 360 is easier to develop for, yet with the least quality games in the library. There is too many replicas with the XBOX 360 *exclusives* while on another platform(s) they actually do something different with each installment.

[Counter Strike]

RaGe
Crysis 2
Gears of War 3

And guess what ... All were running on Xbox 360´s.

Those 3 Destroy GoW3 , Killzone 3 and UnCharted 2... Especially RaGe and Crysis 2.

[Dnied]

lolololololol

[callahan09]

Are you kidding? I think the best looking console game at E3 is Killzone 3. It looks better than Crysis 2 (on consoles). And much better than Gears 3. I'm not sure I understand the hype over Gears 3's graphics. The gameplay looked like classic Gears fun, but the graphics weren't that impressive. Looked mostly like Gears 2, which looked mostly like Gears 1, which was impressive 4 years ago.

[You Noob]

AHAHAHHAHA Oh my...

You should do some comics show.

[Pennywise]

You forgot the /s.

[SO71D]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[gravesg]

LMFAO funniest comment i think i've read on N4G in 2 months

[Otheros00]

You forgot that 2 of those games you listed are multiplatform.
The developer for rage said that the ps3 version is the better console version.

[NnT3291]

Time passes - tech moves on.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

Trying to figure out why this is in the PS3 section i guess looking for hits like always.

[Shmotz]

I thought the same thing.

[dan_chan89]

cool story, bro.

[Counter Strike]

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[emil1]

so why forza 2&3 and gears 1&2 looks the same?

[edhe]

Because you need glasses.

I'm guessing you don't think kz2 and kz3 look the same do you?

If you can't tell the difference between the game's technological advances and graphics changes then you shouldn't be talking about it as if you do.

Just don't type and you won't look so stupid.

[lzim]

>.> KZ2 KZ3 do look the same. PS3 isn't up to pushing those games like it should, or Crysis for that matter. time for PS4 and a next generation Nvidia GPU for faster frame rates better draw distance and even higher resolution textures when dealing with 3D games.

[ZBlacktt]

"Just don't type and you won't look so stupid." Again, follow your own advice.

[INehalemEXI]

http://www.youtube.com/watc... this is KZ3...KZ2 was badas5 but this is clearly beyond KZ2. ...It's KZ3.

[nickjkl]

izim killzone 3 was doing 3d so uh yeah

even though on my tv killzone 2 looked better but its in pre alpha

and the more i stay here the more i keep getting confused i think people dont think for them selves or something

because pre alpha killzone 3 when i watched the conference looked terrible butit was in 3d

and rage is just idk im trying to find out why people are saying that its the new graphics king but i cant find the technical achievements of rage

and the only thing people say about it is that it runs 60 fps

[lzim]

@nickjkl, that's grand, I'm not knocking KZ3D as a game, in 2D if you showed me both games, as screenshots, I'd have a hard time telling them apart. Since I wasn't at E3 I don't have much else to judge it by... maybe if there were 3D trailers up on gametrailers or IGN...

you buy it to play it, not just look at it, but to look at it to judge it right now, they look the same, regardless of 3D, in terms of quality and presentation. That might change for the retail version of the game next year.

[INehalemEXI]

It should be obvious...

1. Snow

2. Sea that looks crazy like it will swallow you

3. Jetpack gameplay

4. Not in the vid but they got the CQC in KZ3

5. flight carriers with mounted gatling guns

6. 3D

Thats just the one segment of the game shown so far in pre alpha.None of this was in KZ2....

[wissam]

Arab like x360 because its games are almost free in the most Arabic countries.

[asgharagha]

its not maxed out but i dont think it can ever reach the graphics of shamballa level in uncharted 2 or level one of killzone 2 and and the anti aliasing of god of war 3 and house of ethan mars in heavy rain and....

[edhe]

Why not?

[Hallmark Moment]

Are you even watching these videos of these new games? The textures and lighting in these new games are blowing PS3 exclusives out of the water. Dear god Killzone 3 looks like COD4 compared to Rage making the game's muddy textures look last gen.

You are clearly not watching these new demos or you are just being hardheaded. Killzone 3 textures lighting and animations are not on par with games like Crysis and Rage. Killzone 3 and Uncharted 2 textures are not even close to Rage's. Please stop showing talking about KZ2 and UC2 no one believes what you're saying anymore.

http://media.psnow.es/image...
http://meodia.com/userfiles...

[meetajhu]

John Carmack is the industry leader in graphics engine. ANd i think Rage has surpassed everything in terms of graphics and gameplay. Its offically the best looking game of this generation!

[Counter Strike]

But Rage looks better and runs at 60FPS!

[You Noob]

And they run better on PS3! :D

[seij555]

Keep saying that shit, you'll regret it just like with Wake and Metro.

[aGameDeveloper]

Even if they looked the same, for a shooter, I'd prefer the one that ran at 60 FPS without slow-downs, tearing, or running at sub 720p resolution.

[lzim]

I agree with the other 4, but for now, Enslaved looks like the runt of the litter, only because it hardly feels like they are trying to make the world appealing. The characters and weapons look so generic and low res compared to Heavenly Sword.

[REDHULKSMASH]

One 8 gig game looks better than another 8 gig game it doesn't mean the hardware isn't maxed out. Compare the two final fantasys and tell me honestly that it isn't maxed out.

[lzim]

It isn't fair to compare a multiplatform game that was designed, and always has focused on including huge amounts of HD video. Bluray helps FFXIII, but 360 wasn't designed to support HD video on that level. making it multiplatform crippled that game, imo, because they sacrificed gameplay and story more than putting less focus on cinematics. Had FFXIII been all in-engine the story might be different.. and maybe a bit uglier.

Same BS applies to Mass Effect. That game has many cinematics that should be more mind blowing if they were presented in 1080p like a bluray. Instead they look like ass, consistently.

[Syaz1]

i never believed the xbox 360 was maxed out anyway. it's just that the style of development of games on the xbox 360 has always been about churning out games faster than to refine the coding, unlike sony with gran turismo 5 and killzone 2. one of the proof is developers using the unreal engine 3 like candy to churn out sequels faster or develop a new ip without too much cost or time involved. with cryengine 3 and id tech 5 around the corner to steal their business, it's likely even they have to step up now. as a result, gamers win. gears of war 3, crysis 2 and rage looks stunning. and everybody thought alan wake was the pinnacle of the xbox 360.

[bjornbear]

360 should still last a couple of years

point is...it took quite a while

PS3 has been doing these mind blowing graphics for a year now, and it will also evolve, just like the 360.

I don't know why 360 got held back but its good to see it finally catch up =)

im very interested in Rage =D

however, i find it sad how everyone automatically jumps to say "best looking game on consoles" when

a) hasnt been released yet

b) they seem to say that about every other game now (even RDR -_-)

c) as if they are trying to purposely dethrone games like Uncharted 2 and GOWIII, even though they were released quite a while back (they won't be the best looking games on consoles forever! I hope not anyway or else there is no evolution)

im happy multi-plats are finally looking breath taking! but don't use it as ammo for your fanboy arguments because both sides win ;)

[The Wood]

The 360 isnt maxxed out but there's a limit to what devs can do.

The 360 has limited devs and multiplatform game lording by 360 fans is testament to that.

If the 360 had sony devs their games would probably look better and SOAD above was one of the only guys i see actually mention this BUT dvd<9 has to be factored in (space DOES matter)

All the guys saying 'we told you so' are in denial.
See you have to show and prove to have a leg to stand on.

Ive heard this crap about sooooo many other games that are meant to best sony exclusives and guess what...as of now im still waiting so refer back to my 3rd point.

As it stands, honestly as it stands now

best graphics on an fps is Killzone 2

Best graphics on a driving game is GT5p

best graphics on a hack n slash Gow 3

best graphics on a sports game MLB10

best graphics on a 3rd person shooter Uncharted 2

best graphics on an action rpg Mass effect 2

best graphics on a jrpg FF13

best graphics on an openworld game RDR

please feel free to add or challenge my list

Im well pleased for carmack...he keeps pushing and respect is due but i'd definitely wait for the finished products before i start telling anybody 'i told you so' as again ive seen this many times. Im glad the 360 graphics whores are coming out of the woodwork. Its much more 'gamerlike' to argue over actual gaming stuff like graphics and technical excellence over 'patcher like' sales crap

[OSU_Gamer]

I think Forza 3 looks better than GT5:p, but other than that good list.

[theonlylolking]

Are you including PC becasue if it comes to best FPS graphics its Crysis 1 maxed out.

[MetalFreakMike]

I'm sorry but when you have to use multiplatform games to show the 360 is not maxed out then you have a problem. Sony exclusive games look a lot better than these games so if you have to resort to showing these games to prove a point then your not helping the console at all. I do not think the console is maxed out but optimizations need to be made to get more out of the hardware. The same goes for the PS3 as well.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

It's official. Rage has beaten every exclusive the ps3 has to offer including Killzone 2. Killzone 3 looks the same as Killzone 2 with the same gray color palette. Take away the color gray in Killzone 3 and the game would be blank.

Gears of War 3 and Rage were the graphical kings of E3. :)

[XabiTheHumble]

i don't know if your trolling or not so i won't give you a detailed paragraph of how fail an desperate your comment sounds and why its fail.

[dj55555555]

Great news, so I'm expecting to see all multi plat games surpass Uncharted 2 within a year then.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

and that's all I seen... with the exception of Gears and Reach... but it's pathetic that I feel with all of us on this site being hardcore gamers (most so hxc they are purely biased)... we were forgotten about by MS this year...

if you want mature games with motion sensing... you need to buy move...

but BOTH look like s#!t to me... I'll stick with dualshock

[paracardium]

Rage looked ok but nothing stunning lol..Rage is multiplat so I don't see what the all the fuss is about.Even that crappy Alan Wake was supposed to be best and what happened?

[Brklynty1]

MGS Rising, Castlevania, and Enslaved are devoloped on PS3, I believe so is Rage, I could be wrong. Only game that has it own development is Crysis 2. Lol if the game is developed on PS3, of course its going to look great on the ported console. Devs are scared of the power of the black beast.

[theonlylolking]

The only game that proves the 360 is not maxed out is Crysis 2. All the others look as good or worse as Gears 3 which looks like Gears 2.

[ForzaGT]

just take a look at UC 2(gears), GT5(forza), heavy rain(alan wake), mgs 4 (splinter cell) and KZ 2(halo reach), and ask yourself if there is any game that look better on the 360
on the topic has the 360 maxed out, my answer would yes when you compare to the ps3,
just look at the improvement th ps3 make on the general graphic every year eg UC 1 to UC 2, can you expect the same amount of improvement on the 360 in the future compared to the ps3 - no so on that basis you can only assume the 360 is starting to show its age

[kewlkat007]

to Sony exclusive games and their graphics..while usually sh!tting on any 3rd-party game that threatens
their love affair with them games(When most of this sh!t didn't matter when it was only the Original Xbox and PS2 )

Yeah...when it was all about the games.

All the sudden BAM!!! Graphics and Exclusive is everything.

Plenty suffer from inferiority complex...With Sony's arrogance early on, we know where it came from.

The games coming out today all look great given the tech in these consoles. For an argument that is so subjective, some times it's pointless. Gameplay>Graphics...The games that stand the test of time proves that.

[Counter Strike]

Sorry but the kings were Crysis 2 and RaGe... Gears 3 looks better thsn Killzone 3 but not better than Rage and Crysis 2... sorry mate.

[Alcohog]

http://i43.tinypic.com/5zjz...

[Cha0tik]

Did you notice the words "Alpha Code" under the KZ3 demo? The performance and graphics aren't finished being tweaked and at the same time it's not just the look its how much is being processed. Gears 3 is coming out this year meaning its closer to being finished than KZ3 which will be released in 2011 because its using a Alpha code... not a release code with amazing graphics.

[The Wood]

some things never change huh

whats a more gamer like discussion....sales or graphics kewl??

when a game gets announced or shown that might compete graphically the true feelings about graphics comes out of 360 fans. Dont hate on sony or their fans that the ps3 exclusives have shown and proved more often than not that they beat multiplatform games technically because that'll mean you're being JUST AS ignorant as the ps3 guys that downplay multiplatform games for no reason whatsoever.

I could understand if these same fanatics you spoke of only bought exclusives from sony but thats BS. Damn its like ps3 fans should keep quite just so you can feel good or something.

I did have a link that showed many 360 fans coming out of their shells prior to a few games releases and trust me they sure wanted a graphics king and they sure thought they were gunna get it but those games didnt live up to their projections...where were you??....n4g has since deleted that thread (not sure why) but its hilarious to think that graphics isnt a worthy discussion/banter point JUST because the console you prefer isn't at the forefront. Ill agree that the downplay of multiplatform games is equally retarded because there have been many technically excellent multi games but the ps3 exclusives have proved to be better than many of their multi counterparts from a graphical and gameplay standpoints. Maybe Kewl you shouldn't be so one sided. calling out one side all the time is soooo LAME

[theone26]

LOL, what a bat shit insane entertaining thread. Here's my 2c though, KZ3 destroys everything else other than Crysis 1 on PC.

[CID]

not impressed at all. ALL PS3 exclusives blow this away.

[LuHawk27]

nah

[GamerPS360]

360 and PS3 both were maxed out and outdated as soon as it hit the market.
End of story.

[Ryutamashiisan]

HaloMLGpro do u believe half the sh*t u type, say what u want about Rage i t looks great and while i still dont think it looks as good as KZ2 eh.. u know different strokes, but to seriously compare gears3 which lost modestly but noticeably better then 2 to KZ3 is insane, KZ2 beat gears2 into the ground and mopped the floor with it after i was done kicking the horse sh*t out of it, and from what i seen still dont stand up to KZ2 much less KZ3 which is still in pre-alpha and looks that damn good, u must be smoking something. I mean seriously u could make a case for maybe Crysis 2 and Rage but Gears 3... u need to lay off the sticky icky

Edit: Also to all the people who call out other people CONSTANTLY as fanboys no matter how there post history looks(some people deserve it, lookin at u Halo) to you i say to all a good morning and to all of you shut the hell up

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

then show me them... cause talk is cheap... just like if I told you I saw jesus just now... gonna believe me?

[artsaber]

Don't you guys know that a

100% maxed out processor + 100% maxed out RAM + 100% maxed out video card = system crash/lock/or freeze

But there are ways to develop more efficient engines that can produce better results while using the same amount of system resources as a previous title. This would mainly have to do with developer skill + effcient engine/code, not so much the hardware itself.

Of course games look better progressively, shouldn't they? Geez

[Claudinho69]

how bout people stfu instead of saying a game is so good before playing it

[XabiTheHumble]

Of course its not 100% maxed out then the system freeze and breakdown. Yes the 360s games will always get minor improvements here and there, thats a given for any console. Where its maxed out is on major improvements. Like the transition from uncharted to uncharted 2 :-) the 360 can't do any of those anymore.

[MR LOOKINGBILL]

all i can say is the killzone engine looks outdated now compared to Rage Cysis 2 and Gears3. ...I want to see an exclusive game for the 360 using the Rge engine.

[HINDERIZATION]

would it blow up?
DVD format is soooooo playstation 2.

[MORGiON]

The comments here have really shown just how desperate/dumb/uneducated/no idea about graphics or game engines, all you 12 year old xbox fanboys are.

This site is getting fucking stupid.

Blind fanboyism over intelligent discussion.

[Bluemaster77]

Dude what is wrong with you thw 360 just proved (once again) that it has Graphical muscle the PS3 is nice hardware just not head and shoulders over the competition despite what Sony would have wanted you to believe just enjoy competition no need to personally attack Xbox fans in a wholly immature manner just for what ever reasons of allegiance you may have just relax dude their only video games

[Claudinho69]

show a game on xbox 360 that you can play rite now that can touch kz2, uc2, gow3

[Strikepackage Bravo]

Your missing the point, there are no games you can play right now on 360 that match Uncharted 2. KZ2 and GOW3 graphics were over rated.

The point is that the reason for that is that 360 developers have been putting their budgets before graphics, while PS3 devs with the help of Sony, put graphics before budget.

We are now seeing that if devs take the time and money to make an effort they can match Uncharted2 graphics on 360. Just look at MGS Rising, Rage, and Crysis. Those games run great on 360 and they look better than EVERYTHING on PS3 except Uncharted2, which they match.

Now calm down, you won't drop dead if the 360 can run games on par with the best of PS3 games. Its not that serious.

[Bluemaster77]

Thats what im saying the Graphics that have been output by Uncharted 2 were indeed masterful , and it suffices to say that the 360 has finnaly matched this graphical fidelity and on a technical level has exceeded it considering that this game not only runs @720P but also at a smooth 60fps and additionally to top it off it is an open world game that is an extremely impressive feat

[hiredhelp]

HA HA lol. wot this kid think he was only one who new that 360 can get a better engine. WAKE UP PEOPLE. unreal engine was for microsfts gears of war thats were it all started then since then other devs have also taken on the engine.used it to its full capabilities.guess wot happened.after a few years people realise them who not blinded by games like gears .that unreal engine is just somert that is making other games made by other companys such as .ubisofts assasins creed. call of jurez and codemasters flashpoint with dirt2. made the likes of gears visually look well DATED.so no hes not the only one to know that.and more devs now are gonna lean towrds taken on the new cry engine. as there 3rd party kit. every couple years a better engine comes along. engines evolve all the time.so why does that make him the god to knowing it. its like the playstation 3 i own games look awsome.some look mind blowing give 2 years compare it to now they look old dated.. like myself. glory days of the commadore 64 non of this rubbish. 1 life no continues and have cup of tea wiole you wait for your game to load.

[xg-ei8ht]

None of those games looked better then gears tbh.

I do like megatexture though.

[Cha0tik]

Okay, I have both consoles and compare most of my games...

If you dont believe me than look up most of the multi-platform releases... every game that is on Xbox with amazing graphics with a Multi-platform release has a better performance &/or slightly better graphics on the PS3. Final Fantasy had to bring the graphic quality down for the xbox... DON'T BELIEVE ME? look up how it used to look before it was announced for the xbox... and the fact that it had to go multi-disk also shows that the ps3's technology is better. As for games like gears of war with No multi-platform release shows the graphics loading when the game starts revealing the true speed on the processing speed of the console.

Xbox is a great console but don't say that it isn't dead and compare it to ps3 games cuz the all out truth is that the only thing keeping it alive are the features within the console that sony has yet to deliver to the ps3.

You will see a difference with Crysis on PS3 & Xbox in some way...

[PS360PCROCKS]

Ok, I'm sorry but you're an obvious fanboy dude. You're spewing total crap and your completely uneducated. The PS3 has better multi-plats? Where did you get that from? The PS3 has better "Technology" because it uses Blu-Ray? That's a storage medium, not technology bud. As for Gears Of War, the texture streaming is not a fault of the xbox 360. That's a knock on the unreal engine, it loads the levels, than loads the textures for the area you're in. It's a way to improve the textures is to stream them in as needed.

[xX-PEIN-Xx]

Why are people so intent on debunking Killzone 3's graphics? Is it so impossible for it to have the best graphics? The game isn't even out of pre-alpha yet, can we wait till it comes out? Same goes for Crysis 2, Rage, and Gears 3. Can't we just wait till these games come out and then judge them?

[Cha0tik]

Thats what im trying to tell people... Gears 3 is coming this year while KZ3 is still in Pre-Alpha coming out in 2011 so much more needs to be done before you can call out KZ3's graphics

[xX-PEIN-Xx]

Yeah, especially since people dogged KZ2's E3 2005 trailer saying it was never gonna look that good but it ended up being better. Just going off that people shouldn't write Killzone 3 off.

[Bluemaster77]

I never understood why people said it even came close to that 2005 trailer i mean cmon man i need some of what you guys are smoking everything from textures to animation to particle effects in that trailer are of Pixar quality and is no way matched let alone exceeded by what we saw with the release of killzone 2 its just not point blank technically impossible this generation please let it go

[xX-PEIN-Xx]

@bluemaster You seriously believe KZ2 didn't end up better than the 2005 trailer?

2005 trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Release: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[XabiTheHumble]

On another note PS3 fans had the chance to experience 3 graphical beast in a short span of 1 year and three months, battling each other for graphical supremacy and still proving as we speak how much of a beast it is. While the 360 on the other hand is still struggling to prove that it still has life and trying to improve graphical fidelity on a minor scale for multiplats? And this is something to boast about? Talk about low expectations LMAO!!

[iliimaster1]

what game looks better than gears 2 on xbox? none as of right now.. alan wake? lol yeah nope none do... andit will be the same for gears 3 thats it

[Cha0tik]

DONT FORGET HALO!!! LMFAO

[Jason143]

Fail

[m23]

Rage looks unbelievable, those graphics are amazing looking. It was never on my radar before, but it has definitely got my interest now. Not just for the graphics.

[SQWERCH]

HELP EDUCATE ME PLEASE!!
Can someone educate me as to how Steam operates please.

1) is steam like onlive? cloud gaming so if i want to play left for dead on my ps3 through steam is this possible?
2) will the game be processed on the ps3? or Valves computers?

[SQWERCH]

HELP EDUCATE ME PLEASE!!
Can someone educate me as to how Steam operates please.

1) is steam like onlive? cloud gaming so if i want to play left for dead on my ps3 through steam is this possible?
2) will the game be processed on the ps3? or Valves computers?

[earbus]

Great to be a gamer we all win .

[PS360PCROCKS]

While all of those games look really good, in the case of Rage REALLY REALLY good. 4/5 of those are not mind blowingly awesome and points more towards the natural progression of the console. The xbox 360 is a good machine and can produce awesome graphics. I blame the devs for not pushing it more, it obviously can push pixels. Hopefully in the future developers can use ID TECH 5 because whatever they're doing with that engine is a technical feat.

edit: Oh and not to hate but show me a racer that compares to GT5? None do on Xbox 360, what I saw last night I couldn't believe. I even showed my 29 year old sister who doesn't give a sh*t and she was equally impressed.

KZ2, UC2 and GOW III are unrivaled. Sure they might duplicate graphics close on the xbox 360, but the effects, lighting, AA and amount of enemies on screen is what's truly impressive. The PS3 is able to encompass the whole package.

[paracardium]

noone noticed the pre alpha code in KZ3? Unreal some of the people on here.

[Argento-Nox]

The problem with this article is that the titles in question are all multi-platform games, yet the best looking games this gen have been exclusives like KZ2, GOW3, UC2, and GeOW2. I doubt we'll see much differences between either platform for these games, since they'll all be made to look the same anyways.

The best bet is to wait and see when these titles are released before hyping them up to be visual masterpieces. The same was done for Alan Wake, Splinter cell conviction etc., and those were all sub-HD, w/o a chance of challenging for best graphical game of the year.

Of all the titles, I'm looking forward to Castlevania: Lord of shadows the most, the visuals look great and the gameplay looks very similar to GOW style gameplay (a lot of the moves look like moves from Kratos, not in a bad way). Enslaved looks nice, but if that's all they have to offer, it's not going to challenge as the best visual game this year. I think I'll wait and see Crysis 2 and Rage before commenting.