Hermen Hulst of Guerrilla Games talks about storytelling and shares some details concerning the plot of Killzone 3.
Link doesnt work for me Edit: Nevermind! Firefox was messed up. should doublecheck next time! :)
Ha, thanks! I was like, "shit, what?"
Lol kz3 storyline is as generic as they come. Bookmark this. You will see a helghan defector that's more than likely a chick.
I have to agree, even though I enjoyed Killzone 2 quite a bit. Most games suffer from generic-story-syndrome. A few exceptions include Uncharted, Infamous, Alan Wake, Heavy Rain, and Half-Life.
Kz3 storyline? you know nothing about KZ3 dude. I'm gonna bookmark this. BTW, how can I save this thread?
Guys it's a FPS, a God Damn FPS, the same bland stereotypical stories used in the FPS Genre all the Freaking Time,... come on, an Space-marine fighting aliens, different human races fighting each other and so on, don't tell me That [NOW] there is an issue with that... Thank God they are Trying to Put some Story on the Game that will make KZ3 more Appreciable, anyway KZ3 = Day One...
I cannot wait for this game, my expectations are sky high. Please Guerilla, please don't fail me with the storyline.
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The day devs neglect storytelling is the day I quit gaming. Story is the most important element to a game, period. You can have the most amazing graphics in the world but without a decent story to drive it..well, it's meaningless.
Most important element to a SINGLEPLAYER game. ^^ online doesnt need it :D
Which is why I don't buy games like MW2, BBC2, or any other FPS unless they have a good and unique story. I can't stand a game that is only 3 hours long with multiplayer maps. Maybe it's just me, but I can't survive on online play alone. It's never what pulls me to a game. The story is what gets me started and keeps me going. Online for me is still extra. Having read the story behind Killzone, I hope to see good stuff from the next game.
But IF ONLINE has a story that evolves through the campaign via news reports mentioning casulties, successes or failures then you would have one hell of an amazing game!!! Bring it on GG
Storytelling is hard. FPS' focus so much on multiplayer that its hard to find a good story. Killzone 2 lacked a good story at all. Dialogue was annoying, objectives were typical (protect the convoy), etc. I am very happy to see Guerilla Games making it abundantly clear that they are going to focus on story. Killzone has a great back-history that needs to get properly told. Anyways, I don't look for story too much in FPS's. I enjoy games like UC2, Shadow of the Colossus, etc. for story. I absolutely do love a game with a story and I have high hopes for inFamous 2 and The Last Guardian, even Killzone 3 with all the emphasis they've been giving on storytelling and gameplay.
You're completely right about Killzone 2, it was a pretty fun game but it was generic 101.
I wasn't expecting much from the story. It was a fun game, but the single player was average. I enjoyed the cover a lot actually, and the graphics were stunning, but gameplay-wise and story-wise there is so much more potential. The focus was on "Teh grafix!" for the single player. I was more disappointed with the fact that there wass such a good history present in the Killzone universe. It was left largely untapped in Killzone 2, but I fully expect Killzone 3 to deliver it. GG is promising bigger levels, bigger action (which was always a strong point next to the graphics in Single Player), more diverse gameplay (run n' gun AND cover and shoot with CQC, jetpacks, etc), and an amazing story. It's all I could ask for in a single player portion of a game. I have high hopes for the potentiality of K3.
There were back peddling parts in killzone 2 that I didnt care for. Taking viscari square was one of them. Different waves of enemies and limited fighting space. I like when you can transverse freely to another area or not stay in the same place for very long. The whole area was scripted. Other than that im a die hard killzone 2 fan + the mplayer rocked - the rockets for me personally I liked the pistol only matches at radec acedemy.
KZ2 story wasnt very well told and their characters were not developed yet the story was there. From the invasion (and Visaris amazing intro speech) to Visaris ultimate fate, KZ2 helped to move KZ universe forward.
Gameplay is the most important element in a game.
Especially in FPS games.
i think gameplay and story are equally important.
Gameplay is extremely high up on the list, but in my opinion it's story. :P
Exactly, which is why Killzone 2's mp is a dead zone today.
Story almost always takes a back seat to gameplay. Motorstorm, Demon's Souls, Borderlands, Megaman, Virtua Fighter, etc. Even ICO and SotC have almost no real story. And the games I have that do have a great story also have gameplay of equal or GREATER status. ie UC, GoW, Mirrors Edge, J&D, R&C, MGS4, 3D Dot, etc... Story is a great bonus, but at the end of the day I PLAY games to PLAY and watch movies/TV for story. Not every Dev can make games like UC2 and MGS, but as long as there fun to PLAY I'll love 'em!
@lukewind A dead zone? you fail at trolling. you can find a list of full games on killzone 2.
I was playing KZ2 earlier today, plenty of rooms and plenty of people playing. If you had a PS3 and KZ2 you would know that.
Yeah, sure GG. I don't go to shooters for story. They lost that long ago when MP became more important than SP. I don't consider 3-4 games full of cliffhangers so they can keep milking the franchise "good" storytelling.
The most important thing to a game is its game. Its systems. Its mechanics. Even with a competent story, something like Modern Warfare 2 is fundamentally a trash singleplayer design.
This game is turning out to be a real gem, it's like every PS3 sequel is deemed for greatness all because of Uncharted 2
all of sonys first-party studios are exceptionally gifted. it was talent and hard work that made games like GOW3, ratchet:TOD (and "a crack in time"), and KZ2 so wonderful. if anything - each of the first-party studios drive each other to new heights...... the reason EVERY ps3 1st-party sequel is great?...all of the devs are great. it's the #1 reason i went with a ps3 instead of 360. no insult to the MS console - it's just that ALL of sonys first-party devs are amazing. edit: at "franky" below me...not just day1 - i'll preorder as soon as someone will let me!!!!!
I'd argue that Metal Gear Solid 4 was the real turning point for the PS3. It's quality is still unmatched, in my opinion.
agreed, and KZ2 is better than UC2.
They wanna take their own advice instead of giving it, My word.
That's what I thought, hopefully that'll change in Killzone 3
the story in #1 was great. it ended with the ISAs intent to take the fight to helghan on their own soil. this was what #2 was about. i do agree that there was opportunity for more backstory about the conflict between the helghast and the ISA during KZ2 and GG really missed on that part of the game. i have full confidence that they'll really catch us up (on the story) in #3.
The first two games didn't have a plot, so I don't expect much from them this time. The problem is they are working with a franchise that no one cares about at all (besides the fanboys) They need to worry more about making their multiplayer last longer then two months.
Yeah, the multiplayer that I'm still playing on a regular basis 16 months later. Same old pattern emerging from the haters: Attack what you fear...
RPG - Story first gameplay 2nd Shooters - Gameplay first Story 2nd Action Adventure - Equally story and gameplay based With that said games that are truly great excel in both categories and graphics is a component that I look in all games because if it hurts my eyes it takes me out of the experience and is a quick turn off. Also its good that GG plans to make a better story lets hoping that its actually better.
And with today's tech in gaming there is no real excuse in neglecting to write a decent story in a videogame. Story is the reason why I fell in love with Halo 1 and why Halo 3 was a huge disappointment to alot of people.
story is what drives a player to keep playing a game. imagine it, without a good story in mass effect, would players want to keep playing it? it doesn't really have the best gameplay ever. same reason why i played cod mw a few times, but with mw2, i only played once. the 1st game had a simple but good story, but 2nd one was rubbish with full of plot holes. hell, i bet far cry 2 might have barely escaped flak from gamers if it had a decent story to compensate the lacking gameplay.
Kz1campaign ie small team out on a limb, against a numerically-superior force. Just wish they could reintroduce the weapons from Killzone 1. Two of my favourite guns were Rico's badass chaingun/rocket launcher and Luger's smg.
Yeah- storyline and gameplay are the most important stuff in a game. Killzone had a crappy storyline, but I did enjoy the multiplayer Resistance 2's multiplayer was meh. but It has that storyline hook. Uncharted excells at both. so does MGS (imo)
Esspecially if you want players to care about their character's & their commrades. Also to draw the player into the wider realm of the story, the Killzone Universe. The point of impact.
I'm hoping for a part in KZ3 where they come across an abandoned Helghast library or historical center where you can watch or even play through some highlighted events in the Killzone universe. They need some sort of history lesson or nobody will ever care about what they're trying to achieve with storytelling. As far as the average Killzone 2 player is concerned, Killzone 2 offers buttery smooth and satisfying gunplay, amazing graphics, cool enemies, and fantastic set pieces. While that's nice and all, bring up the story and all they can tell you is: "Helghast are bad space nazi guys, and the ISA are from some Vekta planet and they fight eachother." Is it just me, or is anyone wondering if the first colonization vessel they sent out is actually going to make its way back and cause problems for everyone? A better question would be: does anyone really care or want to know about the actual story? I know I do. It's interesting, it's a cool story, and is something I could see happening in another 300 years should we deplete our resources and look elsewhere. I think a KZ3 historical element needs to be dropped early on in KZ3's campaign. Have some events with trophies attached as incentive to play through some short events, idk. They have to do something significant and more broad. (excluding the Visari incident at the end of KZ2), Sev and company are barely a footnote in the timeline of the lore. Edit: It was actually 6 ships, not one. I was referring to the first attrmpt. Meh.
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