Guerrilla Play Writes: I have compiled a short list of needs the xbox 360 must implement in order to win this generation. By adding or removing these features Microsoft would close in on the Wii and pull away from the PS3.
Guys guys, Xbox 360 ain't winning nothing this gen. Neither is PS3. Wii already won the whole darn thing! Okay? Sigh.
but at what cost?! *shakes fist imploringly* another list where the writer wants the 360 to be a ps3, nothing new.
No cost. Major profit, actually. And if people thing that Nintendo will continue the motion control trend, they got another thing coming. I'm actually more shocked that Sony and Microsoft jumped on the motion control bandwagon, and so late, too.
Lol yeah... So he lists that 360 needs Blu-Ray, Wifi, Free online, First Party support and Natal to succeed.... So leaving out the last, he just wants it to be a PS3 lol.
Yeah! In his eyes the PS3 already won, so go get a PS3!!! Doesn't matter who wins though, because reality is Nintendo is the winner here. MS/Sony is second place at best and it looks like it will end in a tie for second place.
besides the need for natal to succeed, the writer is describing a ps3. blu ray free online built in wifi great first party support all the stuff the ps3 has and the 360 needs
The author just described the PS3 xD He basically wants the 360 to be what the PS3 already is(plus Natal) lol. Another note. Unless you're a share holder, sales on 360 or any other console shouldn't matter. It is the content that we as the consumers receive.
Who honestly cares I just want the next consoles already so PC won't be held back anymore.
I have almost no respect for the console. The majority of its games are shitty shovelware, and the way they incorporate motion controls is so gimmicky and amateur to me. With a flick of my wrist I can swing at a tennis ball...whoopdeefuckingdo? The Wii won just cause it was the cheapest of the 3 consoles. Price aside, there's so many things wrong with it. From friend codes (wtf?!) to crappy online play, I could go on. It might have won financially, but not on a critical level. People spend a lot more time on their 360/PS3, and with good reason.
all 3 consoles are profitable, thats all that matters. as long as one of them go the way of sega who cares
As much as i despise the Wii it is true.. the battle is already over... Wii won.. only the fanboys don't understand this.
Thank you, the Wii has won. It's going to be tough to catch up to them when they are still selling so well and profiting so much. I assume with a list like this it's taking the perspective of the company. MS cannot win this gen for two reasons: 1) Wii is way ahead 2) They are stuck supporting and repairing consoles that keep dying for a continuous 3 years I assume a winner is somebody who does the best and gains the most against their competition, and Wii simply has beaten both competitors. And in order to maintain some sort of political correctness, "tha Gamerz always win!1!!" And it's true: Who cares who is first or second or third? Does it dictate what you enjoy? Anyways, it's clear in order to win Nintendo must not have existed or done motion controls this gen. Because of that I have 5 things MS should have done to ensure a better future: I agree with everything the article says with one concern: The funny thing is, if Blu Ray was included wouldn't they match Sony and then wouldn't they have lost? Big reason people bought 360 was price in comparison to PS3. Blu Ray would have driven up the costs and that would mean a loss of consumers to Sony based off brand appeal and reputation. I question if MS really had a choice: We know that their strategy was to be first and that way they would gain market share-- they now how a strong foot in this industry because of what they did. I question if Blu Ray would have been a smart choice for them. With MS having a strong significance in the industry now I don't think they'll make the same mistake twice. Just look at how strong of a console the original Xbox was. I think the bigger issue was the crappy hardware. They try to gain support but also lose it by having a product that makes consumers lose their trust. Also, MS needed to appeal to Japan more somehow.
The Wii hasn't won. This console cycle is far from over. Unless we want to include the soon to be retired PS2. Which in that case, it won. But since it doesn't count because it's last gen I wonder if that makes the Wii not count because of its last gen hardware. But the hardware doesn't make the console cycle. And neither does anyone that feels it is over already. That being said. . . The only way the 360 will come out on top in sales is by having a 17 year life span and a $100 price tag.
Technicly biggest the ps2 did not win for the same reason the 360 is not winning. Lots of people had to buy 2-4 and even six ps2s because the drives would die. The only console that does not have this problem is the wii. Even ps3s are dieing a lot more than wii's. Hey but the wii is two gc duck taped together so that means there are 72 million x2 gc out there now with the addition of 20 million gc last gen is almost 170 million gc sold lol. It's fine if you don't like what is on a console. Problem is no one cares if your not the majority which is why the hds are going casual. If that doesn't work lots of people will be getting fired.
I think the definition of who won must be limited to hardware released in a short time frame of each other i.e. the Xbox 360, Wii and PS3 was released within a year of each other. They are considered in the same cycle and hardware is irrelevant as that is more akin to a business decision/model. PS2 was released way back in early 2000.... by the time it hit 2005 the PS2 already sold 100 million. Contrast that with Xbox 360 and PS3 and they didn't even achieve that combined while on the market 4-5 years. It really is a moot point, Nintendo won and they had the best business model and arguably the best product considered from the masses. It certainly wasn't for me and most people on this site, but that doesn't change the fact that the masses valued certain features the Wii had over the competition in droves.
*Sigh* when will you idiots understand the real war is between Sony and Microsoft.
gamers arent old people and loving caring mothers
They Need To Surrender. microsoft needs to man up and bow to the king. the only "FORM" of winning microsoft can achieve is by giving up peacefully, or sony will take them by force.
Uh huh, sure. Bold words from third place.
so you know for a fact that sony is third? its closer than you think buddy, if anything i think the ps3 is in front of 360 with actual sales, you know the true sales numbers not shipped and dont bother replying to me cause i aint arguing with no blind fan girl either, people with a brain know the truth. bloated numbers vs real numbers, oh and yes i own 360 and ps3. on topic the wii has it wrapped up so there.
certainly won't win with this: http://i49.tinypic.com/6dzh...
Hahaha Naruto, plus bubbles for that hilarious gif! XD
in red shirt, he turns around confused, like WTF are we doing.
lol look at the guy behind them, bored as hell.
great pleasure to see Jack Klugman so b*tthurt over this gif that he has to message me and insult me.
"Bing" news taught me that you can't just buy your way out :P you're fat because you eat poorly
Xbox gives me a reason to buy McDonald's to make me more fat.
The Wii won?! Ok.. If you believe that gimmicks is everything.. Xbox360 need? They can't be save already! They have angered the black beast! They're as much as DOOMED!
you win the internet old chap
How can Wii 'win' this gen when it's a last gen system?
360 realistically has a lower ceiling than PS3 and wii simply because it has failed in japan again. When there is a potential 10 million+ sales to be had in the lifespan of a good machine in japan and 360 wont be able to manage a fifth of that, then its impossible for it to really sell more than PS3 and wii by the end of its lifespan
M$ is about to once again...define the future of gaming...Sony is living in the past and being dragged into the future by M$...lol...anybody who hasn't had there head in the sand would no that... The worlds biggest and best software maker is moving forward...E3 will lay out there plans for this year and next...BUT 2012 will be a whole new ball game...Sony knows and is desperate to sell as many PS3 as possible before the change...I'm sure M$ has already put all the necessary paper work through for the future Xbox...Sony knows all about it...Expect a lot of DLC... The xbox will cater to everyone...You can expect the best of the best in PC gaming with huge subscription based MMO's to be front and center...Nintendo wants it now...Sony doesn't want it at all...M$ is going forward in 2012...M$ wants to be the center of the living room...today's consoles just don't have that muscle...the next ones will..Gears and Halo will be launch titles come holiday 2012...Natal will be the patented version that M$ bought, not the watered down version launching this year...the market place will be ready for it...
are you actually serious? The 360 is basically a ps2 with a faster processor and (sometimes) a hard drive. Look at the PS3 compares to the 360... just look at the spec and then tell me Sony are 'living in the past' Microsoft have fucked up on the 360 by making a cheap flash in the pan product with no longevity. The PS3 will continue to sell looooooong into the next Xbox's life cycle.. and by that time we'll also have a PS4 in the fray. Microsoft need to be very, very careful at this point as it's basically going to cost them a place in the industry if they cock up. They've become complacent and arrogant, just like Sega did, shovelling out stocking fillers to their customers, a la the Sega CD and 32X before the Saturn. Microsoft NEED another console and they need to make it future proof. Fact.
@crawfail Wow, you really know your console tech. Thanks for showing how smart you are by getting everything you just said wrong. You do know the GPU on the 360 is in fact better than the one on the PS3. don't you?
The PS3 has around a 10 year cycle, so obviously Microsoft will rush out their product to get a head start and Nintendo is already working on the Wii 2.
THIS GEN IS OVER AND PEOPLE ARE STILL MAKING THOSE DAMN ARTICLES. THE CONSOLE WAR BEEN OVER NINTENDO WON MICROSOFT SECOND AND SONY DEAD LAST. NOW LET'S MOVE ON.STOP MAKING THESE DAMN POST.
Wii won already.
My 8yr old neice keeps ranting on and on about this "Wii" then she showed me this little white box with blurry boring games on it and just assumed it was a leapfrog or chinese knock off gaming machine. Being curious, I checked if they were going to release red dead: redemption on it and there isn't a version for it, strange, I know! also I was checking future games and their will be no version of Crysis 2, Singularity, Castlevania: Lords of Shadow,ect. I also noticed there aren't any version of games that have been out for a while on it? where is bioshock? or battlefield: bad company 2? there isn't even any valve games on it like Half Life 2 and that came out in 2007. weird? where are all the good games?
They won in terms of sales. Nintendo sold me a Wii and I'm sometimes glad I have it (especially when there's a new Mario game or Zelda or Metroid, but that happens very rare). But what about games? Does anyone around here play Wii more often than PS3 or X360?
@ ult iMate Who really cares about sales when your system has no games. Let me clarify, the Wii has some decent to very good games, but they are few and far between. What Nintendo did right was market the hell out of their system. They sold them to people, and these people allow their Wii's to collect dust. Every once in a while Nintendo markets the hell out of a game that every one buys, plays a few minutes and then put the Wii back in the closet. Game wise, I would say 360 and Ps3 are practically in a dead heat and Wii is so far behind that gamers hardly talk about it.
1-too late 2-if only they had the sense to do this 3-this one isnt really needed so it wont happen 4-i do agree with this one 5-its MS what do you expect
"its MS what do you expect" I for one expected them to be behind Sony this gen. Not to be ahead of them 4 years into the console cycle.
Yeah, a year's head start in a market by yourself at half the price sure does help doesn't it?
Only better first party support is feasible. Microsoft doesn't need to support Blu-Ray for the 360. It's late in the gen, and Microsoft has pulled through for five years without it. All they need is to build their first party studios and continue to support the 360 for as long as Sony supports the PS3.
...but they wont build any more first party studios. Dont you remember a year ago when Microsoft basically TERMINATED OR SOLD all but 2 of their first party studios. They've stated numerous times that they are now almost solely dependent on 3rd party games.I think that was kinda like business suicide. Balmer is a total buffoon to boot.
The author lists: Blu-ray Support Better 1st Party support Built In Wifi Stop Charging for Stuff That's Free on the Internet So basically it needs to be a PS3 to win. I'm afraid it's too late for the PS3 and the Xbox because neither will catch the Wii.
How so? Not really talking about the PS2-N64/Xbox1 gap. Hardly the level of domination. yeah, the Wii likely has won this gen regardless of what MS or Sony do, but with all the 3D/MC crap going on now will Nintendo to build on the Wii's success when they don't really how they got it in the first place.
♫ wii are the champions ♫ sad but true :(.
In terms of sales But the author is stating what the 360 needs to do in order to win this GEN he is stating everything already on the PS3.
Two out of the five things they suggest call for a new console, so what are they really saying...?
This won't help... http://i49.tinypic.com/6dzh...
Wii has already won if you're talking sales. Now it's just a fight for second.
by killing PS3 with the 120.000.000 PS2 users and getting nearly all their market share Also by having 100x better quality and longer games and 10x more at that
give me sum of that ganja u smokin that got u thinkin 360 has better quality games then the ps3.oh and unlike u im no fanboi im a gamer but lets be honest here even the media knows sony is unmatched in the games department so shove it fanboi.
You're not a gamer, you are a fanboy....a prettyfanboy if you insist hahaha. In any case, I too think the 360 has a better lineup of games. Take your opinion and shove it. Quit trying to shove your opinion down people's throats or you are going to get it right back.
LMFAO,(checks posts again) LMAOSFH, uncharted 1 and 2 says hello along with... you know what i aint listing the games anymore there are way too many now, look, it is a fact that the ps3 is more powerfull than the 360, the exclusive games shatter 360s and dont get me wrong i am a gamer, 72000 gamerscore and counting but really enough is enough the 360 is old unreliable and just shoddy, why compare it to an obivously better product, i just dont get some people on here.
@ninja wow who pissed in your cheerios, if the fanboys get you reacting that aggressively, you lost and they won. Nice of you to be a f*cking hypocrite and not say a damn word to the 360 fanboy but you had no problem tearing into the ps3 fanboy. If your retarded ass would have read labwarriors post it alot worse than prettyboys, at least has merit to it, even if its subjective to the individual. Something like 75-85% or so of the 360's games are mutiplatform, so what lineup genius. Now if you had said 360 exclusives, then i would have left it at that. But when two consoles have 80-90% of the same line up of games that makes your comment look flat out stupid. I prefer fanboys be honest and not be a chicken sh*t about being one, and if a fanboy plays games, then they are still a gamer you dumbass. Funny how you b^tch at him for forcing his opinion on you, i guess your that weak minded to not ignore/disregard it. Then you turn around and do the exact same thing to him, hypocrisy it catches us all eventually.
Sigh, it's articles like this. I'm not even going to finish. NEXT LAME ARTICLE
I couldnt care less who wins the console wars because i'm thoroughly enjoying the games that all 3 three consoles are releasing. "Quit trying to shove your opinion down people's throats" Isn't that what your doing when you state your opinion? Everyone has an opinion, and if that constitutes 'shoving down throats' then every single person on here is doing that. And here is two more of your enlightening quotes: "Uh huh, sure. Bold words from third place." "Lame. Weak. Ignorant. / All of the above words describe your comment. Take your pick." Really just sounds like someone who is trying to force their opinions down someone's throat.
Here we are..a couple of weeks from E3..the 360 is close to 40 Million..poised to hit 50 million in 2011 and 60 million in 2012..sell it for nothing the rest of it's life cycle and the 360 is a complete success this gen (especially compared to the original Xbox) All of this following the RROD fiasco and the studios pulling away and ultimately killing HD DVD.. The article feigns it's attempt at helping the 360 win this gen..but nah..it's clear that it agenda is to point out the silly fan kiddo complaints that litter the net every day.. How about labeling this article 5 reasons the 360 has defied the odds despite the fan kiddos complaints in these five areas... 1.NO BLU RAY PLAYER Hey kids..guess what? The Wii is at 70 Million and in 2years it might break 100 Million install base..ALL without a Blu Ray player..The 360s choices over LIVE..ZUNE HD..Netflix are the systems choice for flicks..with the fall of many Blockbuster videos..paying 30+ dollars for a Blu Ray discs etc..it's an interesting time in the movie world..the 360 will be fine.. 2. 1st party support..paying a bunch of studios vs. ensuring you have the best content available is THE reason Microsoft is in the position it's today.. Let the PS3 do what they do.. Ensuring GTA 4 w/ DLC, Final Fantasy & Resident Evil 5 were Multi-plats solidified the 360 position.. Every year the 360 exclusives outsell Sony 1st party games.. Halo ODST won last year's sales battle and Halo Reach and will dominate this year's exclusives sales battle..even with even with GT5 Just like Gears 2..Gears 3 will continue it's % million+ reign First party? Fable 3 + Rare's all important take on Natal are obviously the focal point for Microsoft.. PS3 operates how it operates..the 360 has found success doing it another way As for the rest? 3. Built in Wifi is completely meaning less + 4. Xbox Live has 20 Million people who subscribe to it every year because it is the best out there (watch the backtracking on that stance everytime you see an article on Sony's rumored pricing for it's online services) 5. Natal will be a huge factor..if it has a strong E3..it will sell out this holiday..if it doesnt..then watch how the next gen will start next E3.. Just keeping it real and playing Evil's Advocate Evil
I'm not arguing any of your points, but you doubt the power of GT5. Halo will sell a lot like always...but you need to take in consideration that millions of people have been waiting for GT5. Europe buys gran turismo games like candy as well as japan. I mean prologue sold over 4 million and people called that a demo. GT5 could end up selling over 10 million very easily by the end of the year...if its released this year of course.
2. I agree ms has almost nothing in the way of first party studios left and is almost entirely dependant on 3rd party multiplatform games for it's line up, it is almost without anything unique about it. Halo odst and reach sales outselling ps3 exclusives, unfortunately that seems all most 360 owners want is shooters, and the only thing they can brag about anymore sales, not how much they enjoy "insert game". And none of those sales are from a ms created ip either all third parties or second. Considering ps3 is 4 million away, this has essentially negated any advantage ms achieved launching a yr earlier or gta dmc, ff ect going mp. So how this is helpful to ms game lineup is beyond me. 3. Built wifi is meaningless, yet almost every handheld and console has it as a built in standard, but the 360's is $100 extra so was this a positive again? 4. If there are around 40 million 360 owners and only half of them subscribe to live, why are 19 million 360 owners playing single player only/offline games. 5. Natal might be the next eyetoy for all anyone knows, and all trends i have seen from natal seem to indicate a shift of focus by ms towards casual games/gamers. If you think gamers want to be doing an aerobics workout just to play a game on natal after getting home from work or school, more power to you.
@ Noob It's been discussed ad nauseum..but GTA has what it take to be the top selling exclusive this gen..but it wont do 10 Million in 2010..and it won't top Reach in sales this year.That game is lighning in aq bottle. It will be close..eaither way both games are going to be massive. @ madjedi 2. Again, year in year out Microsoft proves that having 20 studios with 20 IPs is not the only way to success. Especially, when you have franchises this gen like Halo generating 15 million with 2 games (with Reach on the way) and Gears generating over 11 million in sales with only 2 games (with Gears 3 on the way). It's silly to rehash the Micrsoft launching a year early thing..they absolutely had to..but it was franchises that were monstrous last gen like GTA and FF going multi-plat that have clearly been pivotal to the 360s success thus far. To be 4 million ahead almost 4 years later..is better than being behind..considering the PS2 ate every other system alive last gen. 3. Again, let me clarify..Built in Wifi won't help 360 sales..just like it hasn't hurt it salewise. Microsoft chose to go the accessory route so it is what it is. Xbox Live is all that matters..ask Nintendo..Wifi is mandatory on the Wii...did it realy help them online? 4. 'If there are around 40 million 360 owners and only half of them subscribe to live, why are 19 million 360 owners playing single player only/offline games' Actually they have a subscriber base of 23 million generating a billion in revenue before 1 microsoft point is purchased The PS3 numbers for PSN are unknown at best..considering they announced 17 Million subscribers in 2009 and then 40 million a year later. All with the abiltiy to make multiple accounts. So until you can show a true comparison you can't pretend that 360 subscription vs. hardware numbers arent normal. We will see who will pay Sony for it's online subscription. 5. Again..IF Natal has a brilliant E3..and a successful launch line-up..then it will sell out of stores this holiday and if the 360 remodels itself..the boost may be as impactful as the PS3 going Slim.. Only time will tell
In a certain sense the wii has really won this gen, because at the end of the day it's all about business, and the wii has totally captured the non-gamer market.
360 isn`t winning anything.
The Wii has only won the selling war. If we go with the games I think the 360vsPS3 is the real fight, and I think that Sony has already surpassed Microsoft in that aspect.
Besides metioning Natal it says the Xbox 360 needs to become the PS3.
PS3: i will win the war!! xbox 360: wanna bet!!? Wii: these delusional sons of ...........
Well to be fair ps3/360 still has WAAAAAAY better games then the wii. If I wanna play a wii I'll dig my ps2 out lol.
the ps3 is winning with all of it game of the year games they creating new gaming memories for this gen like how little big planet is my new super mario 64 and uncharted is my new tomb raider and 3d is a new revolution in gaming