It’s a platform holder’s duty to bring new games and new ideas to the market, even if it’s risky, according to Sony.
I for one is very very very happy that SONY gave the green light to ICO. If not, we might have never gotten a chance to experience a game with that unique experience unlike any other.
Sony this gen has always been about Risky business and thats why I like them. Blu ray, Six-axis, 3D, PS Move, PS Home, Investing into new IP/ Franchises (Heavy Rain, InFamous, Resistance, Flower, Little Big Planet), The Tester, Buying Studios, Remastering PS2 Titles, etc.
Correct. But Blu Ray was their biggest risk. I cringe thinking how much worse things could have gotten if Blu Ray failed.
"how much worse" [email protected] fan pretending it's not very good now :) but you are right for bluray's success, it's huge, and will bring them billions until the br's death.
i havent played this yet. I blame SONY for no BC on my ps3. Also , perhaps we can get this and shadow of the colossus packaged as a bonus with The Last Guardian. Maybe.
Not been played these two jewels? That means, you have the games in ps2 formats already doesn't it? so why not get a ps2 in less than 50 dollars...or are you that poor? give me a break, backward compatibility is not needed, IT is a nice add, BUT not needed, so blame sony for such is just plain lame as it sound, come again! Ico was a fresh experience all around when it first cames out, still beating on me, directly to my collection if it comes to be true, about the collection.
Sony takes the biggest risks and thus deserves to reap the biggest rewards, I think.
Agreed! As long as Sony keeps taking risks, bringing new IPs with fresh experiences and unrivaled attention to detail (who else translates their games 100% including voices?), I'll keep buying Sony hardware and software.
...all of these replies are win. When companies take risks, consumers (usually) win. Sony has proven since the PSX that risks = reward. Since having played masterpieces like Uncharted and God of War Sony has proven they are the new Nintendo for this generation of gamers.
If Ico had never existed then I would never have missed it but somewhere in the smallest darkest recesses of my subconcious a small part of me shaped like a happy purple frog would have died, and that would have made me sad. They were both fantastic games and are absolutely worthy of a rerelease in HD but can you all please realise it is pronounced eeco and although you are typing it correctly, in your heads you are pronouncing it eyeco. See I can see into your minds...... ;) Ico and shadow both rock and it is brave/innovative/stupid? of sony to (as a corporation) be experimental but my god look how this so often pays off for all of us. If you haven't played ico go and buy it, borrow it or steal it (but return it, with some flowers when youve finished it) it is a masterpiece.
Sony isn't the only publisher that has tried to push boundaries. Ubisoft with Beyond Good and Evil and Capcom with Okami come to mind. But those were last gen and it seems with ballooning budgets publishers really don't want to take the risks they used to. So it's really on the platform holders to push the industry with their massive bank rolls.
When someone has the courage to acknowledge their happy purple frog - I have the courage....NO!.. I'm compelled to give out +bubbles. Well said mantisimo! ICO and SOTC are great games. I can not wait for the release of the BR version.
Lets not forget (and believe it or not) EA deserves some respect in theses regards too now, with dead space & mirror's edge,giving them the green light were part of the reason EA is in my good book now... Great post though + bah, off topic i know :( srry.. SONY FTW
Just reading your comment made me smile. Bubbles to you good sir.
I absolutely adore Team ICO's games. I'll buy everything they make. This article was bizarre for me to read because I just made a post on N4G like this referencing Sony taking risks with both Heavy Rain and ICO. I hadn't read this article until just now.
This is what Sony do, ICO + SoTC are two Amazing Masterpieces but didn't sold great, I can't imagine another Company supporting a Dev knowing about this "situation" i.e Activision lol It's Great to Know that Sony keep Supporting Amazing Devs with Amazing Games no matter the sales.... ICO Collection NOW!!!, Please SONY... TLG = THE NEXT GREAT MASTERPIECE
Good grief! Keep Bobby Kotick away from Fumito Ueda and Team ICO! They'd never be able to make another game. He'd probably fire Ueda and then perhaps try to file a lawsuit against him. Thank goodness they are in a situation in which they are supported. I wish Oddworld and Clover got the same sort of great support that Team ICO gets. A lot of great developers go under because their overlooked gems don't sell enough.
Risky business was releasing a console for $600 with no games.
Releasing a console at $600 was risky business. Especially, when another cheaper console had a lead. Now, the part about "no games" is just BS. No, it didn't have the same number of games as the console that had a year head start. But, there were 20-25 games available day one or within the first month of launch. Ultimately, though, the value of the $600 console has proven itself. PS3 gave Blu-ray, wifi, bluetooth compatibility, free online, etc. right out of the box. Add those peripherals to the 360 and your price tag would have been over $600 at the time of the PS3 launch.
Love both ICO and SotC, so can't wait for Last Guardian. Can't believe that ICO did that poorly, I'm glad Sony kept them making more of these games.
Sony do what Microsoft and Nintendon't?
another wise statement from sony. it takes no guts or balls to slap out the same 3 franchises each year. maybe some consumers are fine with that but i'm not. safe & predictable is boring. it'll be nice looking at my ps3 collection at the end of this gen and being pleased with it's variety instead of shooter, shooter, ummm shooter, racing game, shooter.
with what you've stated here. when i look at my collection this gen on ps3 the games that i own vary in genres from VC, Mirror's Edge, LBP, ModNation, HR, Demon's Souls, Heavenly Sword to go with the usual shooters, racers, action games.
so far my collection of ps3 goes adventure adventrture shooter beatemup statagy rpg shooter uncharted rpg racing racing shooter flight photo shooter rachet rachet rachet...... enough variety there im happy sony takes risks some work some dont thats why i like em
I've played SoTC but not ICO. I'm waiting for confirmation on The HD Collection. I'll put ICO in my watch list on ebay just in case.
I'd pay you 200$ for an HD collection of Ico and SotC so please make it happen. Thanks.
Shh!!! Don't give them ideas! I want mine reasonably priced. Thank you.
Don't worry. They're not MS. :P
*sony takes notes* *sells Ico/SotC collection for "bargain price" of $100* *everyone blames 54.2*
You don't even want to know what I'd do for an Ico/SOTC collection. I'd do horrible, horrible things.
The biggest risk was to actually support the developer even after Ico bombed, and let them spend 4 years on making SOTC.
True. It's one of the things Sony developers enjoy is the freedom to work out their vision. It's one of the things I appreciate most about them. And although it doesn't hit the home run like your typical shooter (sales-wise), franchises like these are much needed in the industry.
ICO sold 50K overall, that's a major FLOP there, so you are totally right thief. Another company would have disbanded Team ICO but Sony allowed them to work in another masterpiece: SotC. Incredible. ICO/SotC deserved to be played by much more people and Team ICO hard work well rewarded, it didnt happen, but the HD edition surely will fix that.
If it were not for Sony, I`d be playing boring old recycled shooters for the rest of my life. Thankfully, Sony does exist, and they deliver by far, the most varied, innovative and groundbreaking titles.
This game is truely an AMAZING EMOTIONAL JOURNEY & second to none. It's Art style & direction is exceptional. As well as the character's, the enviroments, music & ambience. Hey have I missed anything out (minimalist soundtrack). If you have not played this game then you truely have missed out. One of my all time favorites. GO BUY
“Ultimately, the industry is dependent on creativity, new product and new ideas. As soon as we stop doing that then we’re all in trouble." Now that's the kind of mentality I wish all developers (software or hardware) would share.
risky business that turned into serious business
The Last Guardian is my most wanted, even with all the big hitters coming, and Ico is the reason why.
nintendo-wii music....seriously...wii music.wiifit-seriously...wiifi t.but hey,nintendo fans got a rehash of zelda from gamecube.now that's risk taking. microsoft-didn't back kameo,didn't back lips,didn't back scene it didn't back nuts and bolts...they just through them out there just like kodu with limited results.and sequel to kameo?nope.sequel to scene it?nope.nuts and bolts?nope.and games coming from kodu?nope. sony-well killzone was good.but lets' give them another try.ico was good.but let's give them another try.shadow of the colossus was good but let's give it another go.warkawk was alright but lets' get it right this time.let's put some money behind it. time and time again,we see sony not worrying about SALES when it comes to games.sure they want all their games to succeed.but it's the *reputation* of giving it another try,risk taking and giving gamers another game even when it's a small community is worth more than sales.and not just giving the bigger community their games.if they did that,we'd end up with a lot of shooters like some other console. sony supports all gamer communities.doesn't rely on one game and doesn't need a mascot.if sony did have a mascot,his name would be "VARIETY."
I love SONY, if I' m still -after 27 years of gaming- a such passionate gamer it' s mainly because of their attitude and their consoles. I would like to see more risky games, but I understand very well that nowadays ( it was not very better in the past however ) this industry is all but merciful. I applaud SONY' s efforts.
Sony is the best at wat they do taking risk, you have too admire them for doing that to make there customers happy. Playb3yond
Well said sir, well said have a bubble.
I have to say I expected to come in here and read a bunch of flaming posts. I was really glad to see that did not happen. Sony is hands down the best publisher/console makers. The support they give their dev teams is outstanding. I have always enjoyed the creative freedom they give and we see the result to that freedom in games today. When I see a game like Heavy Rain being made and fully supported by the Publisher it shows how much they want to mold the industry. Sure there are always the sequels, but those gems that come out that push your understanding on what games should be are the ones that really count in my opinion.
this is what everybody likes about sony, this and their pure quality products. for most people, sony is always the main choice in electronics. sony push things forward. if they wanted to they could have put a dvd drive in the ps3 and launch it at $400 and it would have hammered the competition by now but sony wanted to push blu ray this gen and they probably knew they would lose alot of sales but gain alot in the long run. good move sony.
I think Reggie is still kicking himself in the face for passing on LBP. I love Sony for bringing those games you dont see on other consoles like LBP,Heavy Rain and flower. Only thing i want from Sony is more platformers i mean we have ratchet and clank but thats pretty much it.
This is probably the most respectable thread on N4G thus far lol /clap Everyone should get bubbles. lol
can't wait for e3..."I can feel it coming in the air tonight..." lol :)
There really is a market for emotionally rich experiences like Icon and Sotc. Games like Heavy rain get life from Ueda's ico. Even David Cage said he is most in tune with Fumido Ueda because,he takes risks, and that was his greatest draw to working with Sony because they give developers creative freedom instead of sending them to the chopping blocks. Ico, Sotc, Lbp, HR, all these games are really only possible on Sony Consoles, which which is why, ill always support Sony, their stable is just amazing. I believe, this time, the third time will be the charm, TLG will be highly successful
If ICO never was created then thered be no Shadow of the Colossus D=
is willing to take risks. Nintendo is content to reap the rewards of building a ravenously loyal fanbase thanks to Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. Microsoft is content to simply follow the herd and take a "wait and see" approach, investing very little in risks (which is why they tend to rely on 3rd parties to do a lot of the dirty work on the 360, like Sony did with 3rd parties on the PS1 back in the day). without Sony taking risks, we'd: 1) More than likely not have a dual analog stick setup (Nintendo and Sega both had a one analog stick setup, but when Sony released the Dual Shock, it really changed how we played games, and opened up the door for more genres; ie, FPS, to really evolve on consoles). 2) Not have platforms that double as multi-media devices (the PS1 started this with being a CD player also, then the PS2 continued it with DVD, then the PS3 continued it with a plethora of multi-media features i won't list here) 3) Not have HDMI as a standard means for consoles to receive the best HD output (and also is the reason why the PS3 can support new features like 3D) 4) Not have Blu Ray in gaming, which has proven, over and over again this generation, that it's useful for more than just not having to swap discs. there hasn't been a single PS3 exclusive that has been less than 15 gigs this generation. 5) Not have the best looking games in console history (Uncharted 1 and 2, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5, etc). The 360 is most certainly capable of some amazing graphics, but when was the last time a 360 exclusive title was compared to a PC game (ie, Crysis, widely considered to be the best looking game ever made)? this happens to PS3 exclusive titles on a regular basis these days. 6) Not have games that break the conventions and cliches of the industry (ie, Heavy Rain, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Flower, etc). I may be a big PlayStation fan, but there is a REASON for that. Sony has delivered 3 of the best gaming platforms of all times for going on 15 years now. This generation, though, the competition has REALLY stepped up their game. Which in turn causes Sony to step up their game. MS is going all out, and us gamers are benefiting from this in the end. Without Sony, MS wouldn't be trying NEARLY as hard as they are to rule the roost. People seem to forget this when they're throwing around all that Sony hate.
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