Nathan Hardisty from Platform Nation writes an open letter to all fanboys. "Not flamebait, not rage - an invitation to the real debate."
Fanboys don't understand intelligent debates.
Do not now what a fanboy is, never been one. But i like gaming:-) game on
3rd party exclusives are a good thing. No, it's more than just fanboy ammunition. 3rd party exclusives have higher ratings overall. It takes less time to make a quality 3rd party exclusive and it also takes advantage of that respective system. Earlier in this generation a lot of 3rd party exclusives on PS3 weren't that good and the ones on 360 were pretty good. Now the few 3rd party exclusives on PS3 are extremely good, but in 2010 if there's a 360 3rd party exclusive it's most likely going to be a crappy game. It's developers that don't know how to develop for PS3 that still chose to go exclusive on 360. The only exception is Portal 2 which is going to be a great game.
Excellent read. This is brilliant. This man gets what i've been for ages. I've been perusing this site, PMing random fanboys to get them to change but hes just took the words from my mouth. This is whats wrong with the gaming community, whats very wrong with N4G. Fanboys are multiplying and gamers dying down. please, please for the sake of the gaming community, get cured of the most vile disease since the plague: Fanboyism.
The thing is, whenever there's two things competing (be it sports, political debates, or in this case consoles), people will take sides. I don't mind fanboys as long as they're at least able to make a solid argument. Now, the fanboys that go to extremes and just troll unintelligent really get on my nerves. Personally, I prefer the PS3, but I do not bash the 360 whatsoever.
I bash the Xbox because sometimes its fun, but there are those who spout utter nonsense due to fanboyism; that I can't stand.
i don't like certain games, but that doesn't mean they are not well designed games. sometimes we have to step out of our shoes and think about the other side however, some people just CAN'T do that, while others that can are simply sour for some reason, and just act foolish
I think that goes hand in hand with whether or not people have empathy. Some people do, others, not so much. It turns out from an article I just read (can't find the link atm) that gamers as a whole have very little empathy compared to other groups. This would explain the high yield fanboyism that the games industry sees.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to have 1 game exclusive. It may be better for the developers, but it's not better for the gaming community. Yeah, it makes them more cash in the end, but one or both of the consoles are guaranteed to get a bad quality game.
There IS something wrong. I wouldn't mind if both consoles were equally as powerful, but to have graphic marvels like Uncharted 2, God of War 3 and Killzone 2 on the PS3 and then a pop-up happy, sub-hd piece of graphical crap like Red Dead Redemption is what makes it wrong. The reason PS3 fanboys (like me) want their games exclusive is because we know that they're being pushed to the next level. With multiplats, they aren't. Red Dead Redemption's pop-up didn't bother me at first, but by the last few missions, I was like "jeeeeeeezzzzz"..... But I wouldn't care if something was PS3/Linux at all.
Fanboys give the the willies like when you go to the bathroom and you get a cold chill up your spine with the feeling like someone is watching you pee. Fanboys are one bad news story away from walking into a mall and gunning people down because their favorite game went multiplatform,
I look at this comment section....I see people trying to have intelligent discussions about fanboys... AHAHAAHAHAHA!
is the worst thing happen to gaming world.. :( peace
I would categorize them like this: (from best to worst) 1.- Gamers (enjoy every gmaing platform) 2.- Fans (fans of exclusively one console/platform but are respectful about other people's choices) 3.- Fanboys (defend their favorite console/platform regardless of logic but don't go into the offensive) 4.- Extreme Fanboys (Fanboy but goes into the offensive) 5.- Trolls (No logic, primarily go into the offensive at sites of their hated platform/consoles... Gaming eTerrorists) The letter should re-made for #4 or #5... #3 is ok since the mostly hang at the sites of their preference and, as long as they don't convert to the lower ones.
You should also mention that many trolls bait by acting like an extreme Nazi fanboy for the other console.
Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft and Apple don’t seem care about your support; they care about your investment. I will say that the big four probably do care at least a little about the consumer. They do care about investing into new technologies. What they don’t care about is you bickering with the ‘other side’ about which console is better. It’s all ‘My Dad is bigger than your Dad’ and at the end of the day, your Dad really doesn’t give a crap. AND THATS THE PROBLEM!! who cares?? LETS HAVE FUN AN GAME ON!!
Wow, I've never had to really use this... until now- tl;dr
'Literally, "Too long; didn't read" Said whenever a nerd makes a post that is too long to bother reading.'-Google
what's up with the disagrees- It's really friggin long; I didnt read it (I read the ending summary though.)
It's more of why bother posting that when you could just have easily said: This article is long. By saying TL:DR is saying "I don't care for this article"
fanboys are annoying as heck. they defend the thing they love to death even though there can be something wrong with it even though they don't want to admit it. also they bash the things they can't get.
fanboyism would stop if people would just realize that their console sucks and try to be a little more humble about it. you don't see too many people sticking up for hitler or the atari jaguar do you? realize that 2 current consoles are their modern counterparts, you're playing one or both of them and move on with your life.
"fanboyism would stop if people would just realize that their console sucks" The irony.
Whenever I see an article complaining about "fanboyism" I am reminded of a scene in Friends between Rachel and her sister Rachel's bitchy sister: You slept with my boyfriend Rachel: He was my boyfriend, you were the one who slept with him Rachel's sis: Oh get over it, that was 10 years ago So for 2 years after the PS3's launch there was a barrage of negative articles, filled with gloating comments from the xbox camp about how the PS3 was inferior, had no games, etc, etc Then around 2008 the tables turned, several top-notch PS3 exlcusives turned out so far superior to their 360 counterparts, and suddenly we have (maybe from the same people) comments and articles about how fanboyism is so stupid, attacking other consoles is so infantile, etc...just wait till some 360 game looks a bit better than its competing PS3 exclusive, and the cycle will turn again.
Maybe you're right, but what you're doing right there is defending the "two wrongs don't make a right" fallacy. And you're implying that the same people attacking fanboyism now are were or still are 360 fanboys.
But where were articles like that in 2007? All I saw back then was articles about PS3 isn't needed, cell isn't needed, Blu-Ray isn't needed. PS3 sucks dust like hell, PS3 heats, PS3 scratces discs (yeah, even that kind of articles!), "PS3 is teh doomedz" (those are still appearing sometimes). Those articles were all over internets, all over big gaming sites and portals (just check out kotaku or edge - they were so biased it wasn't even funny), and even in gaming magazines. And not a single article about "Hey! Give PS3 some time and cut all the bullshit!". So the articles about fanboyism are looking kinda funny today. There would be much less fanboy's shitstorms today if it were not for constant bashing of PS3 in 2007-2008 in mass-media (in mass-media! not in forums). Much of this fanboism arose because of crappy journalism to somehow fight against it. And now those crappy journalists are crying because of fanboys? They reap what they saw.
I think a lot of folks confuse fanboy-ism with knowledge, when in fact, it is the lack of knowledge that is the signature mark of a fanboy. Favoritism without reason. There is nothing wrong with preferring a particular console of your choice. Claiming another's console of choice is somehow inferior, without backing, is the problem. However, making a claim, and backing it, that one console can do something that another cannot is not fanboyism at all. Making a claim and not backing it, is. We cannot turn a blind eye to the console, as a product, and pretend that each console is a fit for all. Without information, usually from others, most of us cannot make a reasonable decision -- we can only make a decision on guesswork, and the blather of the local salesman. There's a fine line between a "fanboy" and someone arguing the strengths of a console to properly inform the public. Freedom of speech is a good thing. Any society that forgets it heads into the gutter pretty quick. For that reason, I would argue that complaining about fanboys may be just as bad as fanboyism itself. Any reasonable individual can ignore fanboy comments without issue. Don't spit in the face of freedom, IMO.
"Claiming another's console of choice is somehow inferior, without backing, is the problem. However, making a claim, and backing it, that one console can do something that another cannot is not fanboyism at all. Making a claim and not backing it, is." No, fanboyism doesn't have to do with ignorance, it has to do with annoyance. If a PS3 fanboy can prove with a lot of evidence that the 360 is inferior, it doesn't mean that he has to troll 360 articles saying "Hey, the 360 sucks and here's proof." Obviously, there are 360 fanboys on this site who deserve to be pwned with that kind of evidence, but I'm not a fanboy and I don't need people randomly pointing out that one of my consoles isn't very good. I just don't need to hear it because it's not necessary. If I'm having fun playing games on my 360, I don't need to hear someone telling me that PS3's games are better or look better or perform better. I own both consoles now and I invest a good deal of money in both of them. If you only own one console and feel really good about your purchase, that's great. I don't imagine why there would be any reason for a PS3 fan to attack the 360 unless he or she is insecure about his or her purchase or because he or she is retaliating to a 360 fanboy's attacks. I just don't want to hear this fanboy bullshit. Evidence or not, it's unnecessary.
Agree a lot with what both of you say. @SOAD. The only flaw in your argument is that information isn't necessarily directed at you. There are people that get just as sucked into the misinformation being spread by 360 fanboys in those threads as well. They should know the facts from the disinformation. If someone for example is thinking about a 360 or getting Live. Don't you think they should know it's not just $50/year if they have kids? That it's $50/year for every kid that wants to have their own gamertag, friends list etc?. Is pointing out to them PSN is free instead of that $100-200/year every year trolling? Or doing the right thing for those lurking looking for information. Especially when the usual Live is so superior and PSN sucks bashing is going on.
A Wise old guy on some forum i ventured to once said "If you're not being paid by the company to support a system, you shouldn't"-Wise old forum guy, anyways I Don't need to read something that long just to know fanboys are pointless nerds who have little to no lives (no relationship/job/etc..), in my honest opinion i think consolers shouldnt hate on each other.. but thats just my opinion
Console fanboys have no right to talk when both 360 and playstation 3 suck compared to PC, PC Fanboys are the only fanboys who are right
if you think about ps3/360 fanboys cant say shit because if they talk about graphics and gameplay PC Wins, if they talk about sales Wii wins, people need to shut up and enjoy The playstation and xbox life span before its strictly all PC
@ NotTigerWoods My PC cannot play Blu-Ray movies nore can it play RDR, Demon Souls, GoW3 etc. So saying that Console Fans have no right to talk is bogus.
fanboys are like politics, they never shut up
"I rekon the PS3 is the best consol, its has better games. 360: RROD and Wii is for kids. Hahaha PS3 rulz!" Ive seen this response more times than i can remember. Gaming wins everytime unless the hardware developers buy into the war and rush out inferior products which fail. YLOD & RROD.
unknown site,not gonna read lol
I entered PS3 is doomed into a google search and got 223,000 results. I entered 360 is doomed and got 540,000 results. The dates of the entries is the telling factor here. 2007-early 2009 for most of the PS3 "doom". 2008-2010 for most of the 360 "doom". Now while it's easy to see how this all started, I'll let you make of that what you will.
using ask jeeves I typed in "360 is doomed", 72000+ came back, I typed in "PS3 is doomed", 89000+ came back. Over all not much difference.
As if himself now, absolved of his fanboyist past, has now seen the light and [according to him] has now "the capacity to be literate and intelligent". [direct quote] He is now starting a revolution! Utilizing his hastily written "open letter"; guiding us young, nieve fanboy - leading us down the path of righteous unity - where all gamers can own all consoles, and play them with out preference or opinions! Thank goodness I read this article. I was truly lost, and now understand that I also have the means, like him, to dignify myself in the eyes of others, and can express myself wholly, and justify thoughts and opinions, as I have declared myself "NOT A FANBOY". That sacred title has eluded me for years of my gaming life, and I threw down my opinions about the superior shiny black console. Now, that I have self proclaimed myself to be "NOT A FANBOY", people need to listen to my opinions for real! And start real discussions! I shall write an open letter. And dedicated it to my fearless leader in the console wars: Nathan Hardisty. [author]. He has shown me the way. "Let’s say every single gaming fanboy has the capacity to be literate and intelligent. Maybe they’re already this." The irony in that sentence alone. God, I couldn't have imagined it be any sweeter.
If you're going to be mean about my article, then at least have some sense to give me constructive criticism instead of outright being a douche.
Unfortunately many gamers fall into this category.
fanboys are the real losers of this gen ps3 fanboys miss out on lost odyssey alan wake gears of war splinter cell mass effect ect 360 fanboys miss out on uncharted god of war killzone and valyria chronicles ect too many bomb ass games on both systems to hate on either i only have a 360 mainly due to budget and the fact 360 has more rpgs THAT I PREFER but even i appreciate the ps3 library and give props when due fanboys arnt gamers i dont care if a game has 100 more pixels and 2gb bigger shit my most wanted game is the last story on wii graphics dont matter if the games quality and there are quality games on all consoles game out and have fun fuck taking sides and missing out on some real gems you could be enjoying
Well said. I like games, taking the time out of my life to figure out if I hate a certain game system just ultimately makes me miss out on any exclusive titles. The war between the consoles is getting hotter, and look at what MS and Sony alone are willing to do just to secure exclusivity. MS paying millions for GTA IV DLC? Ridiculous lol. But goes to show that the companies alone are making you miss out unless you own or can play both systems. That is if you just enjoy gaming in general like I. That said I have been through 3 360s and 2 PS3s. 1 RRoD, 1 disk drive just stopped reading disks, the Elite is running strong. First PS3 was the old fat one and made my room hot like the surface of the sun and started making weird Formula 1 racecar noises, the Slim is much better for some reason IMO. So yea, i've had my share of ups and downs with both, but fuggit I love me some ME2 and some MGS4
Fanboys arent bad. What's bad is being a blind fanboy, i.e a troll. Having a niche or interest in one platform isn't bad, but rudely downplaying other platform's fans is what needs to be put away. Most gamers aren't children, yet for the most part and more than ever we act like so. However, it's fun to stir up some fun. As long as everyone knows its fun and games, then there shouldnt be a problem.
Very nicely said, but it does seem to be the younger ones that run with this fanboyism in games. Name yourself simply ILoveCoD and join a Halo match, wait and listen. Better yet, LoveFoMy360 and play any online PS3 game lol (/sarcasm,) or RRoDYourMom and join...wait that one's kinda funny...lol.
What a loser. For as long as there have been different things, there have been fans of different things. They'll fight to say their favourite thing is the best. It's what keeps the game industry interesting. If we didn't have fierce competition, we wouldn't have innovation.
I own both systems personally due to my love of gaming in general. Side note: Anyone else get kinda irritated or annoyed at just the term fanboy, like who came up with that word anyway? Genre...can't stand that word either...for some reason lol...
Everyone look at SOAB's comment. If you're going to be a fanboy, you must go all out like him. No half-arsed statements... great comment SOAB. :)
I love how all of the obvious fanboys here at N4G are saying that fanboys are annoying!
it has always been hardcore fans of differnt products in the world not just gaming....
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