Maybe then my troll (i feel special, i am relatively new to the site and i get my own stalker) who seems to follow me around disagreeing with me would have to man up and explain himself.
While I am also curious about that disagree, do those 'agree' and 'disagree's even count for anything on this site? I mean, I thought they were there just for a simple "I think you're right", "I think you're wrong" decision, without actually commenting about it.
Let me start by saying nintendo is good at showing off there products, there really good at it, I was raised with nintendo since I was a little one, and as I grew older, I got the n64, and my brother owned a psx, over time I got the ps2, reason why I didnt get gamecube, was simply because of metal gear solid 2, though four years later I bought the gamcube. During e3 2005 I was introduced by the ps3, first off I was shocked at what it looked like, just as I was shocked with the ps2 when it first was shown. *I was shocked* thats the keyword here of how I felt about the ps3 and the ps2, when the Wii introduced itself at e3, to be honest I laughed, I wasnt excited, the wii didnt click into my head correctly, and to this day as I play it at my friends house, I still dont see whats so amazing about it, but you know what, hey if you like it, thats all that counts, if you want to read my deep concious about the Wii, here it is... I think nintendo is getting all emotional with our minds luring us into buying there console, as for sony, they just show it to you. they talk about there innovation, and then end the show.
ill give you an example. during e3 2006 or 2005 I cant remember mr. miamoto was talking about the heart of the gamer, as he was talking he eventually showed pics of when he was a kid, talking about his story on how he became a gamer, okay look I dunno about you, but nintendo looked desperate, they made me feel bad for them honestly, I mean come on, do you see sony showing pics of baby phil harrison, NO! they show frickin hardcore power, they dont make it look like a family business, when I talked to my friends about the Wii one day on how they liked it, I hear them talk about how sony is a mean business, and nintendo cares for us, look I dunno the whole detail on why the Wii is so popular right now, but this is something I think about in my head every now and then, all I gotta say is nintendo is good at luring you into there hardware, very good.
I happened to be your third disagree there, and I shall tell you why. For every person that wasn't excited by the Wii, there seems, seems mind you, to have been two others who were. Naturally those who consider themselves 'hardcore' gamers, whatever that happens to mean, were not as entranced by the Wii because it was not marketed towards them. 'Hardcore' was overshadowed by 'Casual'.
Personally, I can't tell you if I'm a hardcore gamer or a casual gamer. I like video games. I like having fun. Even though Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are all trying to make money off of me, I like that Nintendo is playing the nice guy card, in that they're just trying to get more people to have fun. Oddly enough, I don't feel manipulated by that marketing, in that I think that they genuinely do want for video games to be considered a viable form of entertainment, and not just hover in the stereotypical realm of reclusive male geeks and castaways.
I dont think everybody is manipulated by nintendo, some people want a wii, cause they actually like it.
you see you and I have much different views on our opinions about nintendo wii, but let me ask you a question, this is a bit off the subject, if the ps3 was 250 and the wii was 500 what would you rather get? anybody else can respond to this as well. If so, why?
Yes, obviously our views differ, but it's good to at least discuss it. :)
As to your proposal, however, I don't think I can effectively answer that because it is highly unrealistic. The price of creating a Wii is low enough to where $250 turns over a nice profit to Nintendo. The price of creating a PS3 is so high in that even at $500 Sony is losing money.
The pricing, while highly important mind you, is not the be-all, end-all of an item's success in the market. Many people erroneously, I think, suggest that the price is the only reason why the Wii is selling well, but a counter point to that is that the Wii doesn't need to be priced any higher. I'm quite certain that had Nintendo wanted to up the Wii's specs over the Gamecube more than they already had then the Wii would cost more than it currently does.
So what is the inherent problem with improving a console design specs, and adding a new user interface, and subsequently keeping the cost of the new console down, especially when compared to a competitor console? It's the same generation of systems, and of the three consoles in this generation, two of them are practically identical to each other, in the same way that in the prior generation all three consoles were, for all intents and purposes, identical to each other.
you have some pretty good vocab eclipse, ill have to admit, you challenge me, I basically agree with what you said about the Wii and how its price isnt the reason why its selling the best, but I'm going to switch the subject a little bit, first off The Wii is doing great right now the consoles were sold out all around north america, alot of people like it, my friends like it, but here is my biggest concern for the Wii, its going to be fun and dandy until its nector has all ran out, so then what are they gona do? I dont want to sound mean or anything, but alot of nintendo games that are coming out, look like a pick up and play get bored within a few hours kind of game, I mean there are some games that look like alot of fun, but I believe that graphics matter alot in today's society, it makes us appreciate a more beautiful view, The Wii doesent have that like the ps3 and 360, to tell you the truth, I still want nintendo to be in business, I just think there walking down some dead ends, I dont want them to end up like Sega did, all I gotta say is, just as long as consumers like it, time will tell in the future. but hey eclipse it was great talking to you,I hope we can talk again sometime, you have a good one, piece out.
Thanks for the nice talk, Logan. Since I've the ability to do so, I shall make a quick reply about your new statements.
I think you are correct in that the Wii will most likely not be able to last too long in this generation, due to the comparative inferiority of it's processing power when compared to the PS3 and Xbox 360.
I will get back to that thought in a moment, but first I want to address your comment about graphics being important in today's society. I think you are only half correct there - yes, those that consider themselves 'hardcore' gamers are practically always going to want slicker graphics, faster loading times, longer draw distances, etc, and that is only to be expected as technology improves. However, think back to the impressive games you enjoyed last generation, on whatever console you may have owned. Now look forward to many of the games coming out on the Xbox 360 and PS3 and tell me how those games have changed aside from improved graphics, faster fps, number of sprites on the screen, and so on. One could not have created a game like Mario 64 on the Sega Genesis. The transition from PS1 to PS2 saw the disappearance of polygons and the emergence and virtual domination of real life computer animation and physics.
What I am getting at is that to Nintendo, graphics are "well enough" as they are on the Wii, with just a slight improvement over the PS2, Xbox and Gamecube. To say that the Wii cannot hold any epic, deep or beautiful games would be insulting to any of just those kind of games we all played and loved last generation. While the 'hardcore' gamer might consider graphics to be the bee's knees, your average consumer that Nintendo is aiming for will most likely be perfectly content and happy with the graphics and presentation that the Wii can offer them.
Now to get back to my original point, you have to think about Nintendo's long term strategy here. I think that would have to be an extreme lack of intelligence and foresight at Nintendo if they were to think that the Wii can hold them up for the next 10 years, as Sony has proclaimed the PS3 will do for their company. Naturally there will be an end to the mass purchases of the Wii. Whenever that is, however, be it after this holiday season, or after the next one, there are certain to be people proclaiming "see, fad!" on these and other message boards. All good things have to come to an end, though, as the saying goes. The momentum will certainly slow down, simply because it has to. Your guess is as good as mine, though, as to when that will be.
I am assuming the Wii to be... testing the waters, I should think. Obviously through innovative technology and polite, direct marketing they are making a killing with Wii sales. Perhaps in the next four years or so we will be seeing a more powerful version of the Wii. Perhaps not. But one really has to think, though, where CAN Nintendo go from here?
Come on xbots this article was Xbox bias admit it.
Just looking at the page 3 comparison wrap. PS3's wrap was pretty ok They could have done a bit in the Get Section but they were pretty close to the mark on forget.
Xbox 360: Now look at the Get Section. Sounds like YVG Staff is making love to the Xbox 360 - sick. Then you see the forget section and they list one and its generic. Come any console use that reason. How this
Forget it:
Red Rings of Death Known to scratch disks Online lag pretty bad. If it wasn't for all the features and great user interface XBL would suck.
I'm telling ya xbots My buddy invited me to trying out Resistance and he did the Warhawk beta. While the graphics never impressed me but wasn't bad, what blew me away was the silky smoothness of the Network connect. I don't know much about how the PS3 achieves this fluid practically zero lag Network perhaps the cell processor helps in this regard. I tell you that PS3 may even give PCs a run for the money who cares if PC can pump out more players most large maps are fine at 40 players but 50 to 60 is no problem if done right.
Sony can get their reward/trophy system done right and tweak their user interface a little and increase their features XBL may in endanger. Thankfully, we Still have updates for the Xbox 360. Hopefull the next update will actually show some improvements in the actual network otherwise worry.
XBL is our saving grace. Lets hope Microsoft keeps it that way.
This will cause a flame war of epic proportions. Do we really need another one on the site?
seemed pretty balanced. but there will be flames... red hot fanboy flames...
It was pretty well balanced, but it didn't really tell us info that we haven't known for a while.
This part is interesting though.
"But which console should you buy? If you positively must be playing right now, the choice is really between the Wii and Xbox 360."
Sorry for me it's 360 and PS3. I just can't get into the Wii and I've tried.
But I have been thinking about getting a DS.