Why doesn't Xbox 360 sells well in Japan? Japanese forum 2channel weighed in with its opinion. Read on for more.
"I got it! Sell it packaged with Vista!!" "Even though I want to buy an Xbox 360 more than the PS3, I am going to hold off until the console breakdowns decrease." PhantomLee you have never played Hot Shot (mina no golf)? you gotta be kidding me. Its a fun addictive game, especially when played against people.
Sell it with PS3 pack, only way to get 360 "selling" millions and fast.
whats the difference between this golf game and other golf games?
...........theses sons of b1tches
Hmmm, I don't think so. If anything bundle it with a Wii, that would sell 8 x more then with a PS3.
wow...they really like hot shots golf....and I dont know why... ok...I really need somebody to tell me why its so good
addictive like bomber man
It is made by M$ and they're American. They don't wont there video game business to crumble, it's the major thing they've got. M$ is a huge threat to that, so they don't buy it. Easy as that.
The Japanese culture is one where they support Japanese made products. Look here even in America, Asian dudes ALWAYS are driving Japanese vehicles. I have yet to see one in a Mustang. And this is not bad, I think it is admirable to support the work of your country by being so loyal to its products. But hey, I'm American and I support American products, and that's why the LEADER of this console race, the Xbox 360 is the only console in my home. Tell Nintendo and Sony to call back when they not only have more games, but better quality ones, too. Compliments courtesy of the RED, WHITE, and BLUE
It has little to do with nationality. My Korean friends simply liked asian cars. They like the rounded, refined, sleek style. The same goes for the 360. If the 360 had FFXIII and Dragon Quest exclusive, the Japanese would ditch Sony and Nintendo in a heartbeat.
People buy product based on the quality value. This is why most of the the foreigners (Asians/ Latinos) buy Japanese cars, eventhough average Japanese cars are more expensive than domestic cars. Do you know the brokedown rate between Japanese and domestic cars?
hahahaha.. oh man, you gotta be kidding me, japanese people only buying japanese products, its actually pretty simple, they don't buy crap.. american cars? absolute crap, american electronics? Crap. They value craftsman ship in their products, and american are learning the value of it also, look at toyota taking over the automobile industry, look at all the successful electronics companies, its really that simple, they don't settle for crap
Japaneese dont buy crap? Thats pretty rich. Please explain why they buy more hello kitty keychains and pencil cases than PS3's every day. The japanese are famous for indulging in frivilous crap. I am not saying PS3 is crap by the way I personally believe it is very high quality. I just find your arguement to be baseless.
Japanese reject XBOX 360 simply because it's American made. HAHAHA And if PS3 works hard it has a chance to knock off CRAPBOX 360, just because PS3 has more Japanese support. PS3 has 1 of the 3 major continents secured over XCRAP 360. So far Sony has sucked ass beyond belief this generation but things are looking up a bit. $100 cut was a good start but it's gonna take a lot more still.
... 2? 1? Japanese will only buy something from Americans if they can't make it themselves... like big-budget movies and iPods. I really can't think of anything else. Actually, it's not just Americans. It's how Japanese treat the rest of the world, really.
Japan is the only country in which you, your parents and your grandparents could be born there, and you would still NOT be a Japanese citizen by birth if you're not Japanese by blood. I know a Korean dude. He was born and raised in Japan. Both his parents were born and raised in Japan. And most of his grandparents were raised in Japan... and he's still NOT a Japanese citizen! He still does not have a Japanese passport. Why? Because he's "Korean" and not a full "Japanese". The dude does not even know how to speak Korean. That's the darker side of Japan you don't hear about, and all you idiots think Japan is a wonderful country with wonderful people.
I agree on everything you said. Japanese are very arrogant, ignorant people. Everything that comes from west, they take from granted or copy it(or not) and represent it as theirs. Like you said big budget movies and Ipod are only 2 things that sell there, that are from west. Even today you can find restaurant, bars, etc with signs on the doors that say "No white man!". Show me one place like that anywhere in EU or USA? I dare you to show me ONE that has that kind of sign on the door. My father was a sailor almost 30 years ago and than it was even worst. Racist sh!T
I once read about that, they really look down against other people who are not Japanese of descent. I heard that they even pick on half-bloods because they are not 100% Japanese. I'm not saying all of them are, but the majority is racist. pretty sad actually.
Damn you double post
except for the "majority" part. So thats why i disagreed. Saying over 50% of a population is racist is a little much bro. I'm not saying you are 100% wrong, but come on now brother. It is however true Japan recognizes citizenship by blood, not birth, as ktchong stated. A "Jus Sanguinis" State if you will. That I believe is really wrong. I heard some people now are trying to change that rule, don't know too much about that though.
Yea.... I'm going to have to disagree, I did a whole year in Japan when i was in the marine corps, i was fortunate enough to be in a unit that did a lot of training around that country. I met some pretty cool japanese people while i was there I was there in 2000 around the time the ps2/Gamecube was being launched and I got to see 1st hand how much they love video games, and sony and nintendo. I guess being there that year is why I lean more towards Sony, and Nintendo. Spending time in Tokyo reminded me of just being in Manhattan at times. Japan is a pretty cool place. You want to talk about arrogance, go to Spain... but thats a whole other conversation.
If Japan or anybody else had the equivalent of Hollywood and all of these studios budgets, Japanese would be watching Jet Li as Spiderman and say screw our version with Tobey Mcguire, I guarantee. Same thing with iPods, if the DS had a music service as robust as iTunes with the same amount of songs and what not, and perhaps a DS nano edition, then Japanese wouldnt even know what an iPod was.
Most people don't...
To be honest the country is really small compare that to EUROPE, why should we even care, its note like they have the best developers in the world. The best developers come from Europe and USA e.g. Bizarre Creations, Lion Head Studios, Bioware, Croteam to name a few. Sony and Nintendo are not going to flop in Japan at all thats pretty much a known fact. Whilst Xbox 360 may be doing poorly there its doing great in every other country in the world. Why all the focus on Japan all the time? I just say leave them to it because whilst they are enjoying Hello Kitty I am enjoying some serious games. EDIT: Just for the PS fanbaby here are the great games: OBLIVION THE DARKNESS RAINBOW 6: VEGAS HALO 2 FORZA MOTORSPORT 2 GHOST RECON ADVANCED WARFIGHTER 2 CRACKDOWN And that doesnt include what else is on the way which the PS3 hasn't even got or will get: MASS EFFECT TOO HUMAN LOST ODESSY BLUE DRAGON TWO WORLDS HALO 3 ACE COMBAT 6
I keep hearing XBOTS say that. I think it's the most stereotypical sh*t in the world. Name all those great games that you are enjoying right now? Is it Overlord or Bulletwitch? ehh?
Sorry, but I gotta be mildly fanboyish for a second... So tell me, are you enjoying Genji, or Gundam, or Untold Legends on your PS3...you know, those three high-quality, AAA titles that have sold millions? Don't use two games as examples of what the 360 has to offer. EVERY console has bad games, and this gen has seen its share: The above titles for PS3, Bomberman: Act Zero and Hour of Victory for the 360, and the multiple movie-based titles and bad ports for the Wii (think FarCry, for example). (For the record, Overlord is better than the reviews suggest, and Bullet Witch wasn't HORRIBLE, tho it wasn't great, either) (Back to topic)
And we have sooo tiny :(
My friends and I love Chinpokomon...except for Kyle, who just doesn't get it. I don't know how Kenny affords it.
They don t buy it because simply it is not reliable which is very much important for them.
There were actually 1 or 2 intelligent comments mentioned, like the advertising was bad and one person admitted they were waiting until the hardware was more reliable, I think M$ is doing the right thing on that issue but yeah I can understand if he feels that way. Now honestly basicly the rest of the comments were not really reasons at all, just insults, which only proves that just like in America there are idiots in Japan too.....as if you need me to point that fact out. Now what's really troubling is how quickly some people from both cultures can generalize a whole nation. "Foreigners are satisfied only with killing. Japanese are not that stupid." -hmmm, first of all M$ has alot more than just shooters which I assume he's referring to, yes they do have and abundance of shooters and why wouldn't they considering its core fanbase like me love shooters, does that mean, I can't enjoy all the other genre's? -Well of course not, but if you're going to hit M$ for having alot of shooters, then the same can be said for Sony, and actually M$ has a more diverse library atm. "Japanese reject XBOX 360 simply because it's American made." -Now this is a tricky one, because its not that simple....Japan loves American music (ipods) and movies, seriously I have lived in Japan off and on, and I almost see more American news about Hollywood, and music entertainers than Japanese stuff, but really thats not that unusual for many other countries, but when it comes to the videogame industry whether they admit it or not on this particular site, Japanesse do have a deep seeded loyalty to Sony and Nintendo, seriously many just have not tried so called American/Western games. This is a big difference from Americans who are very diverse in taste and very open minded when it comes to games. Again its not racism, its just loyalty or a belief that Janpanese made games are better. -I know I'm splitting hairs and its almost the same thing, but there is a "slight" but important difference....if that makes sense.
Odds are looking like 5 to 3 *** at the moment.
People who comment on other cultures know what they know Mostly from tv not first hand experience. Don't believe the hype just accept that cultures are different and all nations have different ways of dealing with other cultures. Spitting xenophobic nonsense about cultures you know nothing about is ignorant. Listening to comments on XBL leading me to think that thats what americans are like would be equally ignorant. There are bad people in every culture or country and we all can nit pick about issues but we should not throw stones. Quality of manufacturing in parts of asia is a key reason to buy something. Thats not racist as many parts of the american and other cultures have been accepted or copied by asian cultures. Just because some don't like the Xbox doesn't mean they hate all things non asian. And to the guy who listed the games coming from europe and the US, you should also list all of the games in the last 20 years that have come from asia and tell me if they don't outweight the rest of the worlds. Not a dig at the rest of the world but lets be honest here. I'm a European but i understand the importance of what asia and the rest of the world has done for gaming Play games people and forget this infighting
I agree with what you are saying...strong loyalty to sony and nintendo...(especially sony) in japan and an advertising campaign that can only be described as fecal matter are probably the biggest things holding X360 back in Japan. A better and more aggressive ad campaign, key franchises like FF, Dragon Quest, MGS, Chrono Trigger/cross...etc would go along way in boost X360 in japan. I have to comment on this particular comment though... "Foreigners are satisfied only with killing. Japanese are not that stupid." You can't be serious...I wonder what this person was thinking when they typed this Hypocritical and ignorant statement. Some of the most brutal and violent images in film(mostly) and games come from or are inspired by japanese films. Kozure Ookami (Lone Wolf and Cub/Shogun Assassin), Battle Royale 1&2, Audition, The Street Fighter(Sonny Chiba), Ninja Scroll, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Riki-Oh, Chojin densetsu Urotsukidoji(Legend of Overfiend), LA Blue Girl...just to name a few examples of this. Shogun Assassin (the edited version of Kozure Ookami) was so violent that it was banned in many countries in the UK, New Zealand and Norway 1982-2003 collectively. I don't think I need to go into the death and "tenticle" scenes found in some anime. Clearly that person should have thought about what they were saying before they let that hypocritical statement come from their mouth. Classic Case of the pot calling the kettle black. I personally don't have a problem with any of the films/games I mentioned...own alot of them. If you haven't seen Kozure Ookami...I highly reccommend it...GREAT SERIES OF MOVIES!!!!
Lots of people dont know this but in Japan where the 360 sells worse than sh*t it still sells more games per console than the PS3.(By the way i saw this in Famitsu about a month ago). Im currently living in Japan and all my friends online have a great time playing gears and all sorts of FPS.And if your wondering, yes alot of people are looking forward to Halo3. On the otherhand the advertisement for the console and games is absoloutely crap,if your lucky you might see a commercial once a month.You really get the feeling that Microsoft doesnt want to compete with the PS3 in Japan.Another thing, compared to the other countries in Asia Japan is actually doing pretty well(i think). Anyway guys stop taking the piss out of the Japanese ,I really dont think its there fault.2channel is BS anyway.
Did you see the advert on You Tube, god it's terrible, surely M$ should be at least mentioning some games.
but using that logic they hate the PS3 as well. No matter which angle you look at it from, PS3 is currently only outselling the xbox 360 by a ratio of 2:1 - now if I were sony japan, I would be pretty worried about such startling statistics. for reference, the ratio was about 25:1 last gen :)
Not really a good comparison. I think everyone knows the only reason why their isn't a huge gap over MS this gen is because of the PS3's price. If both consoles were around the £200 (Japanese equivalent) there wouldn't be an issue.
They were just about all dead wrong. Almost as bias as a red neck who don’t want his daughter dating no colored man. Totally their loss. They like the Wii the most out of all 3 consoles. That says it all there. The Japanese game community is the same as our Soccer Mom and Retirement Home community. "Casual gamers" it took Japan 8 - 9 months to get to 1 million PS3’s sold. In the U.S. it only took 2 - 3 months to hit 1 million. "Laughable"
The PS3 isnt that much more expensive than the 360 in japan. They've ALREADY had a price drop. They aren't buying it for the same reason we aren't it is teh suxx.
Interesting comment.....so tell us, who were the one million people who have been reported to have bought it in Japan then?
and ive seen it before.When the 360 first came out they showed these commercials and they really were horrible.They probably stopped showing them a year ago.The only commercials ive seen this year is trusty bell,2or3 times. By the way Japanese commercials are all horrible.Im surprised the sh*t sells.
See here's the thing...... Whats the first game that pops in your head when you think of Nintendo? Mario: Family friendly and a huge icon around the world that kids and grown ups can play. Now, whats the first game to pop in your head when you think of the Xbox? Halo. Thats the problem right there. Microsoft and it's fans made such a big deal of this game, it's sort of become it's staple. A good in the west, bad in the east. They think of guns killing people in first person perspective. Not exactly "Mario" like lol. Of course the USA has also the stigma of gun licensing, high school shootings, and the whole war on terror thing. This, should have no bearing on the video game scene, but it's the whole persona that some Japanese affiliate with the Xbox and it's fps's. I got this insight while I talked to a Japanese guy (who spoke perfect English) while playing Resistance. Sony I think has it right in one aspect. If you think of the PS2 or even the PS3, you can't really think of just one game that defines it. So it can appeal to the masses. You can't say it only appeals to kiddies as it doesn't really have it's own mascot of some kind and you can't say it only appeals to adults either. Add to this the fact that the company "Microsoft" isn't always seen in a good light around the world, the failure rates of not just the 360 but also the original Xbox in Japan (Look it up, there was a big problem with the original in Japan around it's launch), the already established Sony and Nintendo presence,those crappy adverts, those stupid idiotic little rude kids you sometimes hear in Live over voice chat (Live service is very good, but it does unfortunately let a lot of retards in to spoil the fun, which is why I don't do voice chat anymore) girls in skimpy outfits with bouncing boobs in fighting and volleyball games (as one Japanese member posted lol!) and things start to look grim. Sorry to say but even MS knows it has to do well in Japan if it wants to stand a chance of emulating the success of the PS2, which I think everyone is aiming for. On another note To people that are saying the Japanese are racist, well that's a very stupid thing to say. Of course there is going to be some racists in Japan, I also have heard about the Japanese "Not 100% Japanese thing" But then again, I heard that a black guy got tied to a truck in the USA and got dragged to death. and I heard of the a teenager in the UK who got shot for being a different color in a certain neighbourhood. Racism is EVERYWHERE.
whether the racisim is punished as a crime, or institutionalised as law.
Any console is only as good as the software avaiable on it. Currently Xbox wins hands down...backed up by the game sales figures... Looking at the line up for the rest of the year, Microsoft stay out in front. Thats not to say things can't and won't change in the future.
I think japanese doesn't like 360 for the same reason there not liking sony, it's big and it's exspensive. I have heard that 2 important factors in the japanese market are the size and the price. Now lets look at the wii for an example. It looks like the ipod of gaming consoles and the price was perfect. The wii turned out to be the porridge that Goldie Locks ate. It was just right. You can disagree if you like but I have heard this from a number of gaming journalist and Japanese marketers. Also I'm not a wii fan so don't think I wrote this because of that, it is just the truth.
Yeah, I have to agree with you on why the Wii is doing so well, and i'm not exactly a fan either. Good analogy :)
Even when you look at play-asia.com they all play the same game. its jsut the same game every time, with a little change. The only thing they realy like is the ''too'' much anime/manga look. Have you seen some of the games played there, its just sick.
But you're doing the same thing. They say that all we westerners like doing is killing people when playing realistic looking fps's.
ahhhh... so all westerns play shooter...wow thats being stereotypical.So people from japan don't only play rpg where you have to battle people/monsters that get killed. What are like 90% of the games created have in common, people/monsters get killed. So you see my reasoning?
only the two post that talked about the ads were valid complaints. Everything else came from the japanese version of fanboys and racist. I'm not knocking anyone, but why do u think countries like japan thrive? They buy their own products. Even Japanese person I know in the states order their products online from japanese retailers when they can. I mean every other country besides the US take nationality very seriously. I'm not saying were not loyal to our country, but were not loyal to our products. They are all good products, but at the the end of the day u have to look at the obvious. Japanese people support japanese products. Why do u think the gamecube survived so long with those crappy sales????? By the way it's not just MSFT any american company EA, EPIC, any big time game maker could decide to come to the console race and they would not get off the starting block because they would not get any love in japan, cuz they are from the states. Bottomline.
I can't stand the Japanese style of video games...they just don't do anything for me. I tried the Blue Dragon demo and found it unplayable...the visual style, the gameplay is foreign to me. These games are unique to their culture. Therefore, I don't have a hard time believing that the Japanese just don't like Western style games...games that are unique to my culture which the 360 has in spades. It's also not hypocritical for them to like Western movies and music just as it's not hypocritical for me to like sushi (mmm, sushi).
i found it about 3-4 years late on gameplay. turn based rpgs are a bit old now. try okami.
Whenever you have a country where Hot Shots golf is a number one seller over all other titles, then you know you've entered the twilight zone. No sh*t, there is a Japanese video game where you stick your virtual finger up a virtual assh*le. Now what type of sick f*ck likes a game like that outside of Japan??? And the scary thing about this is, I'm not joking. There is an actual game where you finger someone's assh*le, how gross.
"Foreigners are satisfied only with killing. Japanese are not that stupid." "Japan is 'moe' and erotic games." LOL Japanese are crazy. That one quote about killing was funny. I know it's just that guys opinion but he needs to enlighten himself. What cruel and unusual things did Japanese soldiers do to their prisoners in WW2. Definatley a perverted people. They gang-raped female prisoners as much as possible. Did any foreign people's do this with such frequency? Foriegners are only concerned with killing. Bah! I'll go play some Gears on that one.
"Foreigners are satisfied only with killing. Japanese are not that stupid." True. The Japanese prefer undressing schoolgirls in their games.
Which is worse than blowing people's heads off? All these anti-Japanese digs are kind of pointless, especially since American titles actually sell very well over there. I think Grand Theft Auto:SA sold like 400,000 copies in Japan.
games? ok. what ganmes - actions/fps, where the hell today jrpg, survival horrors, slashers, 3d platforms, fightings? yes, they will be released in future, but TODAY after 21 month? breaking console - bad thing. to love breaking console only for fps and actions.. well, perhaps diferent people different tastes.
Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Dead Rising, Oblivion, Guitar Hero II, Rock Band, Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, Bioshock, and there are tons more OTHER genres than FPS that Microsoft has and is coming out with. So, you may throw yourself off of a building now.
Japan doesn't like non-Japanese electronics in general. And why would they? Japan is only the electronics capital of the world and I'm pretty sure they are proud of it. More specifically regarding the 360 I think that they aren't impressed with it's build quality, RRoD aside I think the power brick and noisy fan/disc drive are serious issues to the Japanese consumer from an aesthetic point of view - imagine how loud that would be if you lived in a tiny Tokyo apartment! Finallly, name a promising Japanese-centric 360 exclusive other than Blue Dragon. I can't either. Games developed outside Japan account for, I think, 5% or less of the games sold over there and Microsoft just can't compete with the developer support that Sony and Nintendo - no matter how many Sakaguchis they buy.
We, Americans, must be stupid due to shooting aliens and saving the world and all. As for Japan, they like to play dating sims with anime girls that look as if they belong in 3rd grade. They also like playing little games such as sticking the finger up the [email protected]%hole, and how can we forget the intellectual stimulation of collecting panties and taking pictures up girl's skirts. I suppose that the main point would be that perverts are to be looked upon as intellectual, while the unintelligent stupid American wants to be the hero. If this is the future of the world, Then SHOOT ME NOW!!!
I thought this was a gaming forum. Didn't know I was walking into a KKK meeting........Ma bad?
Well I wouldn't say that SIX I just think alot of people are upset over alot of the stupid remarks. But man I'm shocked that they still have signs that dont allow certain races of people to come in. I didnt know that.
it'll sell then. and hate is such a strong word.
hahahahaahh.... thats a classic line.llololol
in Japan.They just needed to have some sort of a foothold there, regardless how small it may end up being.For this,the reason is still unclear to me.But what I do know is that their marketing campaign there was extra pathetic.So why even release a console there.I'm pretty baffled on this one,I mean,what's REALLY going on!
Japan is dominated by corporations. After all, it IS a corporate state. Obviously, those corporations in turn control their own media. They simply will not allow any outside influences a chance to take over their country's economy and thats why M$ has NEVER got a firm foothold in that market. The same can be said for North America, only to a lesser degree, since Japanese corporations have had a strong presence for decades with the advent of World Trade Agreements. That has been steadily changing as M$ has exponentially increased their power and influence, especially in NA (after all it's THEIR base of operations so to speak). Through the use of their own corporate media branches they have been able to successfully convince NA that the 360 IS the console of choice for them. It becomes most apparent when considering the massive amount of hardware issues. Class-action law suits against disc damage, and MORE importantly a hardware failure rate of 33 percent! Think about that, 1 out of every 3 XBox360s will die out and have to be replaced. Only through blind fanaticism does such an obvious issue become not only accepted but, somehow justified and excused with an unprecedented extended warranty plan for consoles. NO OTHER corporation OR their product would last long in such a competitive and diverse market with that type of negative performance record. M$ is a Global Media Giant. When viewed in this light it becomes obvious, and easy to understand, how they've been able to whip up unwavering brand loyalty to this level. If that fact can be accepted then the statement can also be applied to Japan. No doubt the media corporations there are also putting the masses through similar marketing agendas working towards their own ends, resulting in fanaticism for all things Japanese, and hateful towards all things North American. And yes, the two markets have their own unique gaming tastes. But, that's more a side effect of time and publisher marketing campaigns. With enough exposure to advertising ANY product can become viable which is the main driving force behind fads. To me it's obvious why Japan hates the 360; it's for the same reasons that most North Americans now hate the PS3.
why do north americans hate the ps3?
"Foreigners are satisfied only with killing. Japanese are not that stupid." Somebody needs to read a history book about his country. Wait! They probably censor all the bad stuff so the Japanese can have an even higher opinion of themselves. "The core audience is for foreigners in their thirties. In Japan, there are many female and children gamers. That's the reason." What? "It stinks like the Sega Saturn stinks." Thems fighten words!! Saturn was a good system and so is the 360.
If you haven't, do-do-do it now!!! It's frickin' hilarious (-ly bad).