Valve wants PS3 “open like a Mac,” not “closed like a Gamecube”

Scrawl: "Half-Life and Portal developer Valve would like to see Sony’s PlayStation 3 console become “more open like a mac” rather than “more closed like a Gamecube”, explained company CEO Gabe Newell in a recent interview with 5BY5."

[PirateThom]

Trying to make sense of this....

Pending....

Failed.

[whateva]

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[blitz0623]

It means exactly what people think of them. They're too lazy to learn how to develop for the PS3.

And they call themselves developers. Pathetic.

[Anon1974]

Seriously. What the hell is Gabe going on about? "We need to target platforms that do a better job of looking like where we want to be in a few years."

So you want the PS3 to do a better job looking like where you want to go? Maybe we should start calling Gabe the Bus Driver. Hell, maybe he should be the one heading up Sony's game division! Here's the wheel, Gabe! Take Sony where you think Valve's going!

What arrogance. I like Valve. I think they make some great games but I remember when they teamed up with ATI and suddenly Nvidia cards weren't good enough to run your games when every other developer out there seemed to be able to get their software to work on both cards just fine. Valve was founded by people who cut their teeth on Microsoft of the late 80's and early 90's and it's clear from their business practices after that they certainly learned a thing or two about anticompetitive practices while they made their millions. At the end of the day this was a company that was founded by Microsoft millionaires and Valve has made it very clear in the past they have no issue screwing over one company to protect their business partners. Maybe Valve will change one day, but not as long as Gabe Newell is at it's head.

[SullyDrake]

I started typing a reply and realized it wasn't worth the effort.

[jjohan35]

This is the most funny/ridiculous statement from him yet. Why did he not say PC or iPhone, but MAC??? LOL.

[harrisk954]

"Those who have not accomplished sometimes deride those who have."

I guess you are channeling Steve Jobs with that comment?

FYI, people are entitled to make observations when it comes to public figures and companies that make public comments. If every other company can develop for the PS3 (albeit some better than others), then logically Valve does not want to develop (or can't) for one of the following reasons:

1. They are too lazy (Possible)
2. They are not smart enough (not likely)
3. They just don't like the PS3 (Probable)
4. MS is paying them not to develop for the PS3 (not likely)
5. They don't want to spend the resources (dumb considering the large and expanding PS3 user base).

[UltraNova]

Gabe STFU already!Jesus every time I hear his name is like someone is forcing 20 cheeseburgers down my throat! Disgusting!

Where is the 360 going that the ps3 isnt, huh Gabe?

This guy is surely paid more than Aaron Greenberg to bash the ps3. When Aaron finds about this he will be pissed!

Ok we get it, dont ever develop for the ps3 and move on with your life!

Jesus Christ!

[DERKADER]

You guys realize that Gabe gets his kicks from reading angry Sony Fanboy comments. Your just feeding his weird sexual fantasies. OR is he feeding your fantasies...

[despair]

wait wasn't there a report that Portal works like crap on the MAC? hmm.

[HolyOrangeCows]

"We need to target platforms that do a better job of looking like where we want to be in a few years."
Bi-annual expansion packs dressed as sequels?

"So you want the PS3 to do a better job looking like where you want to go? Maybe we should start calling Gabe the Bus Driver. Hell, maybe he should be the one heading up Sony's game division! Here's the wheel, Gabe! Take Sony where you think Valve's going!
What arrogance. I like Valve. I think they make some great games but I remember when they teamed up with ATI and suddenly Nvidia cards weren't good enough to run your games when every other developer out there seemed to be able to get their software to work on both cards just fine"
+1

[-SIXAXIS-]

@despair: I have Portal on both Mac and PC. It runs slightly better on PC, but the Mac version is definitely okay. It ran smooth as silk for me with an average of 60+ frames using my 2008 MacBook Pro.

[gaffyh]

I don't get why he said Mac, isn't it quite a closed off platform? Wouldn't it have made more sense if he said Linux or even Windows???

[beardpapa]

Maybe instead of reading articles talk fud about a port using a hackintosh, you should actually try out the darn game on an actual Mac. Like above said, it runs quite smooth. it's not as crisp as portal on my pc few years ago, but on my mbp it runs very smoothly.

[beardpapa]

iPhone os is quite closed. Osx not so much.

[barom]

For those that didn't watch the interview and are bashing Gabe ignorantly with stuff like "stfu already". Gabe Newell REALLY did not want to touch on the topic of PS3, and even though he could've avoided it he did not seem wanting to disrespect the interviewers.

On a side note, I'll mention that Gabe actually said Sony was going in the right direction. So there you go. I'll suggest you guys (who bashes so blindly) should start to go straight to the source when you hear something so illogical as this article's title, it'll usually give you a much better perspective on what the interviewee meant (although not in this case, still makes no sense).

[zag]

I think he/Valve don't want to spend the money in case the PS3 falls out of the market.

The openness of the mac could be about the Mac running windows software straight up rather than messing around so maybe want Sony to allow the running of xbox games on the PS3 straight up.

Overall though, it'd probably be better for them to just say they make PC only games and hand off the xbox port to other companies and be done with it all rather than keep trying to look like someone at valve gives a s * * t about the PS3, overall.

[darkmurder]

Lol Mac - open

Ahh Gabe you crack me up.

[UltraNova]

'Where is the 360 going that the ps3 isnt, huh Gabe?'

That is a quote from my post above. It shows one out of two things.

Either YOU didn't read the actual interview cause if you did you would know that the quote above could only been posted if you read the actual interview or your feelings were 'hurt' because I said something that everybody else is thinking about your friend Gabe.

Common even I loved Valve but the fact of the matter is that as long as it is under this douches control, this great company is reduced to nothing but fanboy shit.

[badz149]

comparing a mac (computer) to the PS3.....maybe all the cholesterol is climbing to his brain by now! that is the only explanation for this dumb statement! stop eating those burgers and start working out a bit you dumbass!

[barom]

@UltraNova

Uhm, how does that quote say anything about the interview. Anyone with a dedicated fanboy mind like you could've written that within a second. In fact, that is what you would've written if you were an ignorant fanboy like you. You just proved my point. Seriously, think about what you're writing for a minute or two will you.

Oh and btw, I hate Valve.

[UltraNova]

LOL! you crack me up! You are so obsessed with the word fanboy that I am sure its your favorite word!

When you get older, I'd say 15, lets talk again.

BTW I didnt prove anything you said.

[playstation_clan]

what language is this article in?

[Kurylo3d]

Im not quite sure what valve is saying either cause mac is not open at all.

[ABizzel1]

Boomer.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

¿More Open like Mac?

I don't understand.

If he is talking about Sony and Apple. Apple is more closed than Sony.

[Game13a13y]

Valve and 360 are perfect match to each other, both fat and unwanted.

[mookins]

...

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I got nothing.

What the hell ARE they talking about?

They should just admit they hate the PS3, hate Sony and be done with it already. I think everyone knows they hate the hardware already so why try to make up excuses that make NO logical sense?

[mookins]

Did I say it was a problem? I just said that if they hate the PS3 and Sony so much, then develop on the platforms they wish to develop on and stop making bullshit excuses.

If Valve hates Sony and the PS3, then stop mentioning it. End of story.

Are you feeling alright? Did you even try to understand the point I was making here?

....I guess not because I don't even know what you're trying to say either. :/

edit: I think you need to step away from defending Valve for a bit because once again you're not making any sense whatsoever. I understand Valve wants to work on the 360 and PC only. But *why* do they insist on making one stupid comment after the next about the PS3?

Gabe Newell is a disgrace to their company.

[raptorjacob]

@ deadreckoning. it would be a problem if they didn't like the ps3 because they are talking negatively about the ps3. They are making it look like sony is the problem and not their assumptions about the ps3.

They could just say ps3 is not something we want to develop for because our future is not in that direction. Instead they are talking mumbo jumbo.

[mastiffchild]

@deadreckoning666-Nobody is doubting Valve as a developer. No one has ever done that over all their outbursts regarding Sony, PS3 AND PS3 gamers. the reason they get people's back's up(and you don't have to have been an industry figure to have a right to an opinion. I never tried being racist to see how much fun it was offending people but I still know not to do it and have every right to feel it's totally wrong even if no one was ever racist TO me either.

Similar thing here. we can judge Valve by comparison with other devs and companies in similar positions. Insomniac and Ted Price aren't reviled by any of the 360 community even though they don't make games for them. Why? Because they haven't badmouthed anyone or anything from a position of relative ignorance. Had they said things about the 360 and it's gamers like Valve and Gabe have about Sony/PS3 gamers without making a game on said platform they'd get exactly the same grief thwat Gabe and Valve get. Fact is Gabe has a HEAVY MS history and as such should be careful about what he says as his comments are bound to be seen a certain way. Appearing to side with MS is going to illicit responses like: "Well, he would say that wouldn't he?".It puts in a bad position.

If Ted Price, with his long Sony history did similar to 360 he'd be ion the same boat but he didn't and when asked about why his company has stayed exclusive to PS3 stated the truth and only the truth about enjoying the relationship he and his company have with Sony. The question, really, is why have Valve and Gabe not taken the same approach and gone out of their way to appear unprofessional over all this? Personally, having played their(Valve's) recent games on both PC and 360 I wish they'd not make any console games AT ALL until they're prepared to put the same care and features and quality into them as they do on PC.

Valve make great games but given their comparatively weak console output and complete lack of knowledge of what it takes to make a good game on PS3 they'd have been best staying quiet.

[Zeevious]

Other companies have faced the unique programming challenges and succeeded...Why has only Valve had such a vocal and consistent failure with this hardware?

Multi-processor hardware WAS unique years ago, and are now as common as every computer for sale. Who's fault is it that Valve never bothered to learn the new processing methods? I'm tired of hearing this company's constant whining over how very very hard all them big bad processors are. they never seem to complain about the multi-threaded model on the 360 . . . So what's the argument? What's the problem?

Every time I hear one of their rants on the Cell & PS3 all I hear is every single word coming through as a synonym for INCOMPETENT!

Valve...SHUT UP and hire programmers who learned from something whose title doesn't start with "Compleat Idiots Guide To..."

http://artclips.free.fr/IMA...

[solidjun5]

You lying troll. Oh here's how big of a hypocrite you are. You say "Who cares" and yet spout about saying anything you want. Just be gone you loser.

[sikbeta]

I don't Get it! The Architecture or What!?

[tinybigman]

i would respect you more if you'd try and it didnt turn out right; then you not trying at all.

[Anarki]

They talk more about the PS3 than anyother console, yet they're not going to develop on it....

Valve be trollin'!

[Perkel]

now it's confirmed. VELVE has BAN from Sony ;)

Lol listening him is funny he calls MOST closed system ever open. And ps3 closed platform for development by velve.

Gabe just need to stfu and start making sence. They didn't even released good game in years !!

[Darkstorn]

Valve is saying that the PS3 should be more 'open-source.' I think that's a good idea, even though it's already the most customizable of pretty much any console ever made.

[raztad]

If that is the case they wouldnt be developing their games for the xbox/Windows.

They are using MAC to make a point of how APPLE is using more standard hardware (intel based) and standard development tools.

[baker_boi]

Intel created the Cell though...so isn't that a mute point?

Sony has put out atleast 2 engines I know of that is supposed to help with making Development on PS3 more like PC. And One of them they even stated HELPS port games to both PS3 AND 360.

It's how you put the hardware to work, not who made it. If they spent more time working on an Engine for the CELL and less time playing the propaganda game we wouldn't have to keep hearing the broken record that is, Valve.

Not that it actually matters to me, cause the only first person games I own are Resistance 2 and Kill Zone 2. So I wouldn't miss 'em.

[LostDjinn]

Intel did what? I think you better check that. Let's explore this fantasy of yours for a minute though. If Intel did infact make the CELL, wouldn't that be a "moot" point as a "mute" point doesn't make sense.

Please, please, please use factual information in future as BS doesn't help anyone.

[Run_bare]

Correction, Intel do not create Cell processor. IBM with the help of SONY.

http://www.research.ibm.com...

IBM created the first CELL based computers which is the QS Blades technology. It currently a niche products which most of major countries Dpt of Defence is using. Sony also funded the technology and saw the potential.

http://cell-pc.com/power_pc...

Just thought you shoud know.

[Raf1k1]

Didn't 5BY5 even think to ask what Gabe meant by that? What kind of an interviewer takes a cryptic comment and just runs with it?

[ikkokucrisis]

Valve = Console Diva

[gtamike123]

Half Life 2 and other Valve games are more fun on PC anyway.

[Elimin8]

Can you blame people for putting fire underneath Valves or any other developers ass? Back when the PS2 and xBox was out, all you heard were.... xbox is better than PS2 just look at the graphics comparison! And despite the fact that PS2 came out the winner "Quality Tittles" they still focused on the xBox being the most powerful system.. Fast forward to today you have the same BS. What I can't understand is, if that was true then, why does the same method not apply now. You have the PS3 the most powerful system out and they STILL focus on the XBOX 360 being inferior to the PS3 in Graphics and sound...... And Possibly everything else... I just think enough is enough. make games for both system or one of your choice shut the fuck up and lets move on..

My 2Cents.....

[-SIXAXIS-]

The reason that Valve continues making up this BS is to hide the fact that they only like to develop for standard hardware. That was the point they were making about Mac being an "open-platform". Think about it, PCs have similar CPUs, Macs have similar CPUs, XBOX and 360 have similar CPUs. They clearly don't like to change, and developing for PS3 would mean that they have to start all over learning a new architecture.

[Elimin8]

I agree. I just wish all this nonsense would stop...

[darksied]

@SIXAXIS:
How would they have to start all over? I can understand the CPU being a bit different than the others, but exactly how is that going to be so groundbreaking in their entire game-making process, that they just skip the entire platform? How much of the programming does the CPU take? The level designing, AI, actual game itself probably wouldn't change too much; they just have to figure out how to use the CPU to its potential, so why such the big hatred towards this processor?

Unless of course it's not the processor itself; maybe they just don't like the ps3.

[Christopher]

Okay, I think I actually understand what he's talking about.

He's saying the gamecube was a closed system in the sense that you had no clue where it was going or how far it would go and that the Nintendo Wii was a surprise to everyone, making it hard for third-parties to adjust and plan the potential of the Wii for their company. People didn't know what to do with the Wii when it came out.

Whereas MAC seems to have a goal to dominate the portable electronics market and is very clear in their desires to not utilize flash and the such. You know what will and won't work with the future of MAC, what your options are.

Having said that, I have no clue how he can call the PS3 closed considering their work to get updated code out to all developers through their ICE program, openly showing all their technology at practically every event they can, and openly declaring no goals for a new console release until 2014.

If a 4 year outlook isn't enough of a look into the future of the PS3 for Valve, then they really just have no plans to go that route.

Personally, I say just shut up about the PS3 and make your games for the PC and 360. I'd rather not have his games on the PS3 and not have to listen to him stumble over why they refuse to take their games to the platform than have them and listen to him fumble over why they can't program for the console.

[Army_of_Darkness]

well, you heard the big bad boss Sony! get to work on internally reconfiguring the ps3 for dummies so that the boss man can understand how to actually use it!!!!

[yoshiro]

closed system?? roflmao...this valve guys -_\

[solar]

yeah, they know nothing. since '96. on how to make games people want, games people "desire".

[Immortal Kaim]

I don't know why you guys get so riled up about Gabe's comments? It isn't an issue of being 'lazy', they are a business, if they think they can make profit somewhere, they will venture there. It's probably something as simple as 'do the potential profits of developing on the PS3 out-way the cost of hiring outsiders or learning the architecture of the PS3'? I guess so far, the answer is no.

p.s If you're going to respond, please do so without resorting to fanboy drivel...Thanks

[-SIXAXIS-]

@Immortal Kaim: See, a few years ago your argument would be valid, but now things have changed. The PS3 now has a large fanbase which is growing at a (apparently) faster rate than the 360. Although it may cost them money now, I believe that it is a good investment because the ends will justify the means. However, I am not an accountant or anything of that sort and I don't have access to Valve's financial information (obviously) so I can't say for sure. I just personally think they are bullshitting and it would be profitable for them to accept and develop for the PS3, even if that means hiring more devs.

[Raz]

We've all been talking, and we think it's finally time for you to STFU. ..Actually, we think it's long overdue. So please, for the love of all that is holy - stick your head back in the Doritos bag and keep it there.

[solar]

wow. as gamers you should all be ashamed because you have no idea how great an open platform is for innovation.

[Raz]

Gabe doesn't give a crap about open platform - right, like the 360 is totally open? He's just finding yet another reason to hate on the PS3.

[Greywulf]

I'd love to see Valve make a product that stands up to the next of God Of War 3, Killzone2, Resistance2, MGS4, Uncharted 1 & 2, MLB09-010, Little Big Planet, Heavy Rain...

anything other than rehashing their 10 year old engine...for yet another fps.

Then maybe I'd care about playing the games I have on steam, on my ps3?

I mean.. Vavle, just be happy with MS and hope they buy u out one day. I mean, it happened for Media Molecule. Could happen for you one day too.

[Cevapi88]

the most closed off company in Apple being compared to Sony who allow developers the freedom to do whatever the hell they want...im looking at LBP, Modnation, Naughty Dog, Sony Santa Monica...and its not just the freedom to do it but the ability to keep pushing the system as far as it can go and still have room for improvement...hey Gabe "future here" the f*** you talking about?? why dont you go make Half Life 3....uuuu 6 years now since the last one...hmmm, for one to talk so much about Sony and PS3 it seems you are having the same problems with your own company and then some

[PCnPS3Gamer]

but when they tried they realized it was too hard and over there head, god damn new tech....doesnt everyone hate when technology is better but harder to figure out why cant tech be easy and average..../s

gabe newell is a fat tool that should just admit he isnt talented enough to runn with the likes of naughty dog santa monico, molecule, polyphony digital. he knows the ps3 will destroy his reputation as a talented dev when he makes crap games for the ps3....

[gumgum99]

lol...

couldn't have said it better myself, PirateThom

[Consoldtobots]

I think he means he wishes the PS3 were more like a big mac so he can slurp it down with his gamecube. whatever that means........

[zeeshan]

Why don't Valve use the same logic and apply it on themselves!?

[Steve_0]

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel about this, seeing as I have a Mac, and a PS3. Valve make great games, and Steam isn't half bad (although the OS X port is rubbish atm), but this comment here is ridiculous. I'll probably play the games on PC or Mac anyway, but you're alienating a huge market.

[vhero]

See this isn't Valve in general this is Gabe and has always been Gabe he is the one with the problem. He is the lazy dev not Valve and since he has a lot of power there that's why you see no games like L4D on PS3.

[KILL-ALL-CURE]

I THINK GABES EATEN TOO MANY ROTTEN CHEEZBURGERZ!!!! :D

[SaiyanFury]

"Open like a Mac". Wow, coming from an avowed PC developer who openly insults Sony and it's gamers, that's quite a statement. The GameCube was closed because of Nintendo, not by any other means. Mac OSX is generally a closed platform in which developers pay Apple for access to the OS to develop software. Not every developer can make things for the Mac OSX platform. Not very 'open' in my opinion. Sony, at least provides development kits for the PS3 so developers can make software on the PS3. I don't think Apple provides quite the same support...

[8thnightvolley]

OMg this wtf is up with that analogy it makes no bloody sense.

[mythamp]

The idiocy in that statement baffles my mind.

[kevnb]

we dont want to do it. and to everyone with the negative comments, they dont have to develop for the ps3,and the way things are I dont blame them for not wanting too. It feels like most publishers are putting games on ps3 just to keep sony happy, valve doesnt have to keep anyone happy.
I dont understand why fanboys feel they need to make ps3 games, maybe if the architecture of a ps3 wasnt so nonsensical they would. its easy enough for them to port a scaled down version of their games to the 360 in dx9. End of the day though, you want to play valve games get a computer. and yes, mac osx is an open platform...

[avengers1978]

Who cares what Valve wants. Screw them.

[Lucreto]

I have no idea what he is talking about.

[arakouftaian]

Just like the PS2 the PS3 have a lot of lock secret power
and Sony is the only one that can acces to it and
Sony said when and who can acces to it just like they did
in the PS2 era and know aré doing in the PS3.

But this is not excuse to not work on the PS3
they can still create a great game with what Sony have give them.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

Could you please feed us a source for this claim? Seriously, why would Sony jeopardize over PS2 or PS3 potential?

I know Sony won't share their own full engines, full research reports neigher the same development support they give to internal developers, but them again, they have no obligation of doing so.

It's up to third party developers and their respective publishers to spend the resources to develop their own stuff, as Sony don't get money from every game sold. SCE does get a part of each game sold as from royalties and other things, but the R&D teams at SCEA, SCEE, SCEJ and etc won't.

t's as dumb as blaming Sony for not advertising a multiplatform, not their obligation and they have their own developed games to advertise already (although every now and then they will make deals about it, but they didn't have to at first place). Sony does more than enough to suppy development kits, that's the same MS and Ninty do and, unless the general business model change in the next gen (manufacturers would only work on hardware and support and let the games for third party) we won't be seeing anyone sharing R&D so soon. Maybe MS could, but I don't think not even them would rely on thrid party alone.

[arakouftaian]

Im going by the PS2 history
dont tell me that a company will find how to
reach the max potential of the PS3 when they dont
know to much about it.

Sony or aré the only ones who realy understand the "cell"
they create it, and they will keep giving secret lil by lil.
That how they did it in the PS2 .
That my fact and this is what they aré doing with the PS3.

And dont tell me Sony did not knew tha the PS3 cloud do AA
from the begining ,they knew this, but just show it on GOW3.
Know all games or many games can use AA ,
cloud they use it before? Nope, why?
Because Sony was hideing this feature
for their and oír lovely GOW3.

For example another fact is that Sony just unlock
i thing lil moré of RAM , know PS3 games cloud look better,
or run better because of this.

This unlocking or locking of RAM was not posible in the PS2 era
but sure they hide many tricks in it and reveal it on the end.

[xabmol]

Sony had to go through the same learning process for the Cell that everyone else did. They are just more dedicated to understanding and pushing it, as they should be.

Sony's hardware division practically dumped the PS3 on the gaming division and said, "Do something with this." That is why we see a steady increase of overall game quality. Not because Sony already understands everything and only lets info on it out "lil by lil."

[Microsoft_Spokesman]

Grescdgre, dfefeefda gfidsfjr! PS3 ufhujgfr!

We he said made just about as much as my post made.

[NYC_Gamer]

who cares about what valve wants?

[WMW]

exactly what i was thinking sony 1st party studios are putting out the most impressive games this gen valve are barely beating unknown devs in quality. valve hasn't really done anything good since half life 2 people need to stop living in the past they're has beens.

[ExposingLames]

exactly....who is valve anyways? arent they that dev that made the 1 cool game way back when.....and then like fell of with no ambition and only make 1 type of game (FPS) and then being "professional" developers cry about how the PS3 is sooooooo hard but yet REAL developers like ND, Gurrilla, Sucker Punch, ect. ect. ect. have no probs and can get GOTY?

perhaps PS3 isnt the prob, maybe is lazy asses their ambition doesnt go beyond making an FPS....if the 360 wasnt microsoft and like a computer they would prob cry about it also and only develop for PC

stay your lazy asses where they are and just forget about PS3.....we couldnt care any less about playing your games.....and if we did.....we have PCs.......

[kevnb]

they should just tell the truth, we dont want to do it. Its not feasible,, we only make 360 games because its incredibly easy to port them to the platform.

[eggbert]

good games for the PC.

I don't really know why people buy the 360/ps3 versions of there games. It's not like their games are that demanding on a PC, hell you could probably use 5 year old technology and run Left4Dead2.

[Darkstorn]

That's not a bad thing...

[Hotel_Moscow]

dam i must need a new graphics card becaus ei cant run l4d2 at max

[huzzaahh]

My 3 year old computer can't run L4D2 well (on med-high settings).

[Raf1k1]

Can anyone makes sense of it? What's he on about?

[Kain81]

i dont get it too, what is he trying to tell us???

[kevnb]

he doesnt like closed platforms... I know its hard to understand. has anyone actually listened to the interview, these things tend to get taken out of context here.

[exnihilonihilfit]

Except the PS3 is no more closed of a platform than the Xbox, yet as far as computer operating systems are concerned, Macs have more restrictive licensing policies than their competitors. He was really just talking out of his ass, because he can't admit that his programmers still don't know what to do with the cell.

[ClownBelt]

I think they're talking about business point that we average gamers don't know shit about.

[Carlton Banks]

They talk so much about the PS3 yet they still havent made a game on it.

[Cajun Chicken]

Yeah, that's all well and due, but isn't the 360 also closed like a Gamecube too, so why develop games for that?

[CryofSilence]

Pretty much my thoughts. I don't think that lard of a man realized how hypocritical his statement is.

[PantherDST]

Valve... Go stick yourself. After all your PS3 bashing I'll never support your efforts to produce on the PS3. And if you ever do produce a game I want to play I'll pick it up on the PC instead.

[Smkt]

works for them :D

[Kain81]

Gabe is the GENERAL and DARTH VADER THE PS3 look what hapenning

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[ClownBelt]

Lmao. It's exactly like that.

[The_Firestarter]

I'm so glad you posted that link. That video was so funny. Got me tearing up and everything. Bubble vote for you1!!11!

[bviperz]

Bubble up indeed! I needed that too, rough day at work.

[Vicophine]

Mac is not open at all, its more closed than Windows.

Linux, on the other hand..

[TheHater]

MAC is very closed when it comes to comparing it to Linux and even windows. Open like the Gamecube? Has Valve ever made a game for the Nintendo Gamecube?
And as far as I am aware, the PS3 is the only console that has user created mods for games (Unreal Tournament 3).
This is a very confusing statement by Big Mac...I mean Gabe.

[eckounltd88]

is this a pointless or is it just me?

[Crusade]

Ok, I love portal and L4D, but valve...you're getting on my damn nerves. Just learn how to program for the PS3. I mean damn you're not even putting portal 2 on the ps3, just shut up already it's really annoying. I'll still get portal 2 on the PC, but I'll do so with an angry expression.

[BlackCountryBob]

I am so confused; open, closed, what???

My head hurts

[aryan_irani]

.... ?

[Socomer 1979]

PSN is a open network of dedicated server awesomeness and user generated glory with the entire world wide web at the press of X. Isnt the xbox 360 the prison of closed networks? It is.

Valve should practice on PSP. at least then we could see if they are worth their gabe newell weight with ad-hoc party.

Hey valve?! Hows about a Home Space???

[ExposingLames]

as a PS3 gamer i would like to see valve stfup about the PS3 and go make their ran into the ground FPS genre games somewhere else....bash the PS3 like you always have or STF UP, many PS3 owners wouldnt buy your FPS trash anyways

just stop talking about it and go back to PC or xbox or whatever you do.....we have plenty of good games and dont need or want your single minded genre crowding our already good library

remember how xbox he head and shoulders way above PS3 and blah blah blah? so shut up about it and move on

[DiLeCtioN]

oh how I wish Sherlock Holmes came to life

[meetajhu]

Open like mac? You mean the company that make garbage overpriced products. Valve nobody wants you to develop games. Your ages of Half-life and counter strike is over. Time to go bankrupt. Sony knows what they are doing

[Darkstorn]

Valve can still make great games, they just have to overcome their ego and start doing stuff on a new engine. Remember, Valve invented the modern FPS.

[meetajhu]

Quake,Doom was modern FPS. Your new?

[Letros]

He means FPS with a gripping story and high budget production.

[Forbidden_Darkness]

With all this time they take bashing the PS3, they could use that time to optimize their engine to work incredibly well with the PS3 and sell more of their products to a wider install base

[spektical]

mac is one of the most closed platforms ever, wtf are they talkin about?

lazy bums

[wissam]

So ps3 now is a PC.lmao.

[Obama]

Translation: We still don't know how to program for the ps3. We suck.

[Nykamari]

On to other World News.

[smilydude13]

Open like a Mac? Wat?

I always thought of a Mac being like a really nice house with all the furniture and appliances nailed down so that you can never move them. Whereas Windows is sort of like the nice house in the bad part of town where you have more freedom, but eventually you're going to forget to lock your door and you'll come home to find your house on fire. Then you have Linux which is like an awesome house that you can do anything you want to for free, but it's in 5 miles in the sky and invisible so nobody knows about it.

Seems like he should have chosen something different than Mac. Maybe just leave it at "I want it open like Windows/Linux,"?

[PotNoodle]

The only closed thing about Mac really is the hardware, which can be a killer when it comes to gaming on the platform but i suppose that doesn't hurt consoles much.

Being both a Windows PC gamer, and owning a Macbook pro, and a big fan of linux, i'd say for being 'open' It goes Linux -> Mac - > Windows.

Apple like to put some 'we like it like this' things into the Mac user interface, but they won't ever try to stop you from doing something when in the OS, and that terminal will let you do absolutely anything. Whereas Windows will try to stop you with all thee warnings, and if you want to get past them you have to disable all sorts of stuff.

It may sound like a Pro-Mac post, and while i do love the Mac OS X, one of the big things i love about gaming on a computer is the fact i can swap out hardware, but the fact Apple keep the Mac closed down on the hardware side kills it for me, so i would hardly call a mac 'open' in that regard :p

[shotgun_ps3]

I really hate the fact that I can't hate Valve. On one side, they are refusing to develop for PS3, the only console I have due to not being rich, meaning I can't play Left 4 Dead and Portal 2 (as it stands) which really pisses me off but they are some of the most talented and gifted developers in the industry. I really would hate them if they weren't so dam amazing at what they do.

The cake is a lie... No Gabe Newell just ate it.

Heard that on a forum once thought it was quite funny.

[arakouftaian]

I think that mean Portal 2 will be on the PS3

[xabmol]

There is hope yet! http://www.playstationunive... (Look under "Featuring")

Portal is the best thing Valve has ever made, IMHO. Funny that it wasn't even made by them originally, lol.

[moho-foe]

I will never vote Republican and never buy from Valve end of story...

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi__]

http://gallery.techarena.in... ;-D

[BlackPrince 42]

What?....What?

I know a lot of people treat Valve like a sacred cow, but come on, Mac open?
Even an ardent Mactard would say that comment is loony.

[Kos-Mos]

I`m really sick of hearing people from valve speak. AND YES I READ ARTICLES THAT MAKES ME SICK. THAT WAY I CAN MAKE OPINIONS AND EXPRESS MY RAGE AGAINST STUPIDITY.
AND YES I USE CAPS LOCK.

[NJShadow]

How does that statement make any sense? I think blood just shot out of my nose trying to think about it. >.<

[MajestieBeast]

Honestly everytime you think valve cant say something dumber then last time they open their mouth and hit a new low.

[Ingram]

`cos I think Valve should be more like rocksteady,criterion,I.Ward(r. i.p)/respawn,and other respected third party developers, and less like a D&D reunion of geeks eating pizza and bragging about an overrated modified quake 2 engine.have you seen PS3 software lately? Who's incompatible now, happy bunch?

[MasterA]

Aren't developers always praising the openness of PSN?
Unreal Tournament III is s brilliant example how more open the PS3 is than the other consoles.

[thehitman]

It sounds like hes criticizing the ps3 for not having a true identity like the 360 being a shooter console. They dont know if what they make will do well because of the diversity of the ps3 library I guess idk. Really clueless on what the hell hes trying to say sounds just like more excuses to why they cant keep up with the curve.

[shotgun_ps3]

What really confuses me is that Valve have, from what I have heard please correct me if I'm wrong, a smallish team and office but not only do they make games that sell millions and millions of copies but they also have the main platform that most pc, and soon to be mac, games are sold on.

What are they spending all that money on that means they can't hire a couple of new guys, team them up with the ex naughty dog guys and crack the ps3 code. Because at the end of the day, the ps3 may be "more closed like a gamecube" but I bet if they released Left 4 Dead 1+2 as a bundle for PS3 at £40/$60 it would sell millions and millions.

[nefertis]

I don't get it gabe why should the ps3 matter too u now ? After all that time u dissed it.

[eagle21]

PS3 and Gamecube exclusives are far better than any Valve game. Valve are on my overrated list of developers bigtime. :)

[dorron]

Someone (called Gabe Newell) should definitely be fired...and Valve should take some PS3 developing classes and just STFU.

[Tony-A]

The PS3?..... the one (and only, besides PS2) system to allow Linux?.... The only system to allow PC Mod support for games?....

I thought that system was one of the most open ones around....

I'm SO confused.

PS: Aren't Macs strict to the max (no pun intended)?? I thought Windows was the open one... Mac needs special ways around EVERYTHING! WTF is he saying?!

[Trroy]

I don't understand his comment. How is the PS3, a game console, any less open or closed than its competitors?

I suppose that the X360 is "more open" with XNA... but XNA basically sucks for serious game development, due to serious, serious limitations. So again, I ask... what is he talking about?

[Zerodin]

Sony fanboy anger. Tastes like cobbler.

[xg-ei8ht]

Comedy tbh.

PS3 is more open then anyother console.

360 is a closed system, that is a well known fact.

Wii, well does anyone care.

Go stick some more burgers down your throat, you look hungry

[JC_Denton]

Gabe Newell is the single most lazy, arrogent and conceited game developer of all time. Valve makes the Half-Life series and Portal so they suddenly think that they are they greatest developers of all time. The Left 4 Dead games show how much work they're putting into Episode 3 and how much they're putting into making senslessly violent (and money making) games for their new fanbase within the Xbox community. Honestly, it takes them how many years to put out Half-Life 2 and after that they release a couple four hour "episodes" over the span of two years? Oh, and I'm still waiting for that Team Fortress 2 update promised at least 3 times to the 360 crowd.

[JAMurida]

Personally, I really wouldn't care for Valve's games to come to PS3. There are so many other games and new IPs being made for the PS3 that it just overshadows it for me. Not to mention, Valve kinda made themselves look stupid back then calling the PS3 "a total disaster". Well look where that "total disaster" is now Valve...

[trane07]

Seriously, they haven't made a damn thing and shouldn't be complaining about a damn thing either. Who give's the sh*t's on what any lazy fat tub of lard wants out of ps3 when they don't do sh*t for it?

[CellularDivision]

Yay! Another chance for dev-bashing!

@all upset ps3 fanboys:
If you LOVE your ps3 so much, and you HATE that this guy does not like developing for it... Then go buy a PS3 devkit and make a PS3 game yourself...

"lolz i dun need dat i haff lilbigplannet roflz makes it a goty game and makes goty gaemz rofl oh and gabe fat"

:D

[shotgun_ps3]

You know what mate, you give me 40 million dollars, a team of developers, the most up to date pcs you can, an office and I would love to do that but sadly that's never going to happen. If, by a small margin, you do have 40 million dollars could you please send it to Valve so they can have a big enough cash injection to learn PS3 coding.

I do have a ps3 but I ain't no fanboy, I just really really really want to play Left 4 Dead 1+2 and Portal 2.

[Tony-A]

You are about as unintelligent and ill-informed as a person can be...

Firstly, I see more confusion in this thread than anger.. you just happen to see what you want to see so you can spew nonsense like that.

Secondly, have you even read what he said? Instead of jumping to the PS3 fanboy attacks like you always do, how about actually explaining to them what Gabe means in the rational sense and not "he hatez teh ps3 like every1 shoould!!11!"?

Unless, of course, you have no idea wtf you or Valve is talking about, which is most likely the case...

Hey look, another Valve VS PS3 article... another chance for PS3 fanboy bashing!

Give it a rest. You sound ridiculous. It's no wonder why you have one bubble. Not even your fanboy friends want to save you....

[dc1]

Well said DWeezy91!

[bjornbear]

if you don't like something do it yourself

I hate my government, im going to run for president

i hate war, im going to become a soldier

i hate death and disease, so im going to become a doctor

i hate starvation so i'll become a cook

wow! amazing logic *shoots cellular division between the eyes*

[dc1]

You too bjornbear .. Well said!

[Lykon]

The only reason he is still CEO is because they can't physically remove him from the building.

[the-show-stopper]

that was pretty good
gave me a nice chuckle thanks

[JAMurida]

lmao! That one got me.

[Silly gameAr]

Just stop Gabe. Just be honest and say you don't want to develop games for the PS3 and move on.

DarkRide666 is right. I can't believe no one calls Valve out over the pure arrogance. We all know for a fact that gamers and the media don't really care for elite attitudes.

Just look at the backlash Sony received at the PS3 launch. In my opinion, this statement is no different.

[Optical_Matrix]

"Open like Mac?" lolwut. Not only is that stupid, but PS3 is way more open than Xbox 360 (see Unreal Tournament 3 and why it took so long to come to 360..also see LBP etc). Going by your logic, you shouldn't even be developing for 360, let alone PS3. Valve, do stfu

[Theonik]

Wait.... What? Thankfully i'm not the only one to spot the irony of using the word "open" and Mac in the same statement. Now if he were talking about Linux on the other hand then yes i would agree.
Also i don't care is they make games for PS3. It's their games, they make them for what console they like. Should people hate insomniac for it? What pisses me off are stupid statements like that.

[Tripl3seis]

Wtf did he just say? That didn't male sense at all lol

[bjornbear]

....=3

[Brklynty1]

Cuz the mac is so closed. PC games barely release for it. Programs always come out months later for it as to windows, like what the hell is he talking about? Geez what side of the sidewalk did he wake up on, or maybe he buttoned his long sleeve bed sheet to tight.

[Killzone3Helghast]

I don't think it would matter if they released any game to the PS3. Remember L4D2 expansion pack priced for full? Yeah, no thanks. Also Infinity ward pulls the same stunt. Robert Bowling called the PS3 a piece of shit system yet comes 2 years later saying all "Oh thank tha lawd for the PS3!! I r be rakin in these monies"

[0321]

Lol PS3 is open like a "MAC" Valve is just to lazy to experiment with the PS3, They haven't even tried to make a game on it. So how would they know it's closed like a gamecube??? Plus that makes no sense at all!

[bjornbear]

and more of a computer? ( 360)

LOL no gtfo Valve go make some mods

(love valve but if they don't make any PS3 games i could care less my 3 year old MBP can run any of their games so i could care less =D + steam for Mac!)

[Killzone3Helghast]

yeah basicaly they're like "ohhh hurr durr the mac is so special and we don't know anything about it just like the ps3 so listen up mr sony men pls make a ps360 and we will design crappy expansion packs that ppl love to blow their money on"

[0321]

LOL That's probably something Valve would say. It's not Sony's fault Valve is retarded...

[34543534798]

then let them first bring out a mac port that performs as well as the pc version
srsly I love these guys from way back
but the mac ports aren't good (I understand it takes time, ok) but don't talk shit because you're too lazy
just stop bashing like a fat kid does behind a cooler persons back

TL:DR: let them first do the mac right and prove they can handle anything BUT the PC (and yes xbox = pc)

[JonnyBigBoss]

Valve are the bottom of the barrel. Why is anyone even reading stuff like this? What if I told you Banana Republic Says PS3 is Too Hard to Develop For. Would you care? You shouldn't. The PS3 has the most technologically impressive performance per hardware games on the planet right now.

[sarshelyam]

He's referencing two platforms he's harbored ill-feeling towards in a comment to explain why he's a lazy turd? Seriously Gabe? The PS3 is nothing like the GameCube. I know you aren't speaking on a technical level, but come on...they share NOTHING in common from a marketing or developer support standpoint. You're just grasping at straws now Mr.Newell.

PlayStation 3 is only evolving, so why not jump on board because whatever you make NOW, will certainly be good enough...and with the PS3 the way it is, you can make something even better years down the road. Let us not forget Sony's 10-year lifecycle. Come on man...

[itsralf]

I'm never buying another game from Valve and it's not because I'm a butt-hurt Sony fan boy, because I honestly don't care what this fat bastard has to say.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

I Just have one thing to say to Valve, "To much hair gel said what?".

[XabiTheHumble]

Okay Valve, a couple more laps around that bush and I will let you take a water break.

[Bathyj]

Isnt PSN an open network where you can release mods and free content? Play, create, share.
Isnt XBL a draconian cage ruled with an iron fist where mods arent allowed and free content will earn you the ire of M$ for making them look cheap because they dont like to give away free stuff?

Gabe doesnt know what the hell he wants.

Unless its got icing or gravy on it, then he knows.

[NeoBasch]

I don't know. I'm always fond of working with new architecture, programming languages, and scouring through source material to scrounge up every detail of the latest and greatest. Sounds like Valve's just lazy. Even the most popular methodologies undergo revision every couple years. Keep up or get left behind. ; )

[ironmonkey]

valve is trash.

[PrettyGamerChick]

I DON'T LIKE VALVE GAMES

[ironmonkey]

the valve thats hooked to my toilet runs better

[foxxy]

Valve is a one trick pony.

[Bigboss19]

Counter Strike on PS3 please and Killing Floor

[P_Bomb]

"We need to target platforms that do a better job of looking like where we want to be in a few years"

I guess they don't want to be in my living room.

They do realise it isn't 2006 anymore, right? Are they allergic to money? I still have my Gamecube btw, Gabe. Traded in Orange Box a long time ago.

[skyblue14213]

Before they worry about anything in the future they should worry about fixing the bugs that are present in left 4 dead for pc and left 4 dead 2 for pc (which is a non-isolated incident), that after having played the games for about 5-10 minutes on windows 7 they both go into a crash like state rendering both games unplayable. I have not heard anything from them in about a week to even tell me that they are working on fixing the problem concerning both games. So if I don't hear from them soon on fixing these problem's I will never ever buy another game from them in the future or support them in any way. I wasted my time and money in supporting them and only gained aggravation in return.

[boom4u]

We would like developers to not make excuses for not making quality products. Infinity ward, Insomniac, and countless others are not having any problems, 4x anti aliasing, 60 fps with no tearing.. Valve couldnt program their way out of a paper bag.

[Figboy]

that Valve has no interest in the PS3. why they INSIST on CONSTANTLY talking about the PS3 is confusing to me.

i mean, i don't like peas. i don't go around raging against peas whenever the opportunity arises. i prefer to hear about what a developer ACTUALLY has experience with, instead of hearing them constantly downplay a platform they haven't, and never will have, an interest in developing for.

i also think it's pretty clear by now where Sony wants to go with the PS3. it's like, with every platform they release, nobody seems to grasp what Sony is saying, even when they say it as clear as day.

since the beginning, Sony has pimped the PlayStation 3 as a multimedia hub. looking at where the PS3 is now, i think they've achieved that goal rather impressively.

the PS3 supports so many different venues for entertainment; games, movies, music, online networking, etc.

people scoffed at them in 2006, but just like with the PS2, all those early haters are eating so much crow i fear they may choke.

at this point, Valve, and in particular Gabe Newel, who is the VOICE of Valve, are trolling the PS3.

the PS3 fanbase has already decided whether or not they will support Valve in the future. i HAVE an Xbox 360, and i REFUSE to purchase their products. in truth, Left4Dead is possibly the weakest stuff Valve has EVER created, but because it's Valve, they get a free pass. if some no name company had done Left4Dead, EXACTLY like Valve did, they'd have gotten reamed for how shallow, repetitive, and uninspired (Zombies, Valve? REALLY? i love zombies, but they are so overused in video games they are tying with FPS as the most oversaturated game play element in gaming these days). Oh, don't get me wrong, L4D is incredibly FUN, but that doesn't take away from it's structureless, shallow nature. if it was a PS3 game, it'd have been nitpicked to 6/10 scores.

in either case, i think Valve should just drop the PS3, or, at the least, deflect any baiting interview questions that are trying to stir the pot in relation to PS3 development. a simple, "We aren't developing on the PS3 because we prefer the 360/PC combination," it a GREAT response. it's like they are afraid they're going to piss off the PS3 community by saying they prefer the 360/PC. NO. what pisses us off is saying that we're stupid idiots for buying a PS3 back in 2006, and Sony should have taken it off the market.

yeah, then we'd never have gotten gems like Uncharted, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, God of War 3, etc. that would have been AWESOME. /sarcasm.

focus on your OWN shit Valve. we don't need ANY FURTHER explanation as to why you won't develop on the PS3. we got it back in 2006 when you insulted an ENTIRE gaming community that, until that point, respected you for one of the best developers in the gaming industry.

[jay2]

Dude, go any learn OPEN GL, so you can actually make PS3 game, now if you're saying something that runs on OPEN GL, you should look up the word open.

[DarkSpawnClone]

i don't understand this article. to me its like some one ran out of stuff to talk about.so they made one up lol

[Claudinho69]

and i want gabe to eat a bomb

[BrianC6234]

What a moron. Give it up you fat piece of crap. You blew it. That comment makes no sense. Open like a Mac, not closed like the Gamecube? Bwahaha.

[stuntman_mike]

Valve need an enema, preferably with a baseball bat!

[Asuka]

wait wait wait a minute here.....open like a ......MAC?!

Did i miss something?

[JJFNIGHTS80]

Too me in my opinion. As long they pay in royalties or make lots of MONEY.

[jy_mrnd]

Valve and Steam for life they made PC Gaming better.Why play games on consoles when you get a better experience and cheaper games on PC anyways!

[BYE]

Does he mean a big mac? Not everything can be as open as Gabe Nevells mouth.

/JK , Valve is great, I just don't get their hatred towards the PS3.

[danthebios]

valve are not hardcore game designers.Lazy to learn new things.

[Jab-dees-nuts]

After seeing the quality of his games aint no way id pay for his games on ps3, he trashed the ps3 countless times yet his games l4d and l4d2 were mediocre,story was pretty simple and that was ok but graphics were horrible, ive seen better graphics on the gamecube. I was upset though, ps3 didnt get a version but it was only because im a huge zombie freak and id love any zombie game. Id consider getting one of his game if only the first port is l4d

[Knightofelemia]

If I remeber wasn't there a news story on here stating Valve was going to develop a table top zombie game for the PSN. Personally I don't want Valve to soil my PS3 with their games.

[TheObserver]

It will be less of a laughing stock if they admits they specialize in PC gaming and development instead of making up BS. I love HL2 and Valve, but it is just stupid not developing for PS3 as well. It is similar to multi-core processors. In the future, we will have 20 cores, 30 cores. The cell is easy now. Not learning the tricks now is stupid, by then they will have to suddenly learn how to juggle 10, 20, 30 cores overnight. Yeah, good luck with that.

[pwnsause]

no wonder this guy's so fat. He's lazy when it comes to work.

[luiti1]

now we need to wait for KB to respond :)

[playnation]

que pendejada...

[djfullshred]

PS3 players have left Valve behind, so no need to even have much opinion on Valve's opinion. We are quite happy with developers like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Sucker Punch, and other great PS3 game makers.

[tripewire]

Im thinking I may bow out of gaming. Developers are getting stupider by the fucking minute. Does valve think anyone but 360 fanboys care what valve want? Im sure Sony give a fuck what you want when you dont develop games for any of their systems anyway. I use the term develop loosely thoug, because I think to be called developers you have to stop using the same engine after 10 years.

[Ace_Man_6]

Gabe Newell = Gay N00b :D

[chewmystink]

Yeh Apple Mac is one of the most open environements sure Gabe...
Hey Gabe have you heard multitasking is coming to the iphone and ipad, did you also hear it still doesn't address the whole issue and they are locking it to only multasking for their API's. Yeh thats so open of them!
Fat tool go crawl back in your mutha and stop smoking some M$ oo==()

[Sagetech]

Gabe:"Thanks for the free lunch greeney"
Aaron Greenburg:"No prob pal,now lets discuss Left 4 Dead 3"

Yup,life's tough like that when you're best 1st party's best work is Donkey Kong 64

[fOrlOnhOpe57]

HIS WORDS....

[Masta Kaos]

Who's Valve? Do dey games look better dan UC2, GoW3, Killzone2, Heavy Rain' n Gt5??? Noooooo??? ahhhhhhhhhh.....lets move along ppl...dez nothin 2 play here.

[Reigen]

so where do they wana be in a few years,
making games for last gen sistems mayby?

[Shendow]

Wake me up when valve starts making breath taking games or something good.

[Dekonega]

Apple Macintosh is closed system. But it's not entirely as strictly closed as your common gaming platforms. PS3 is closer to PC than closed gaming system. It was full PC until Sony decided to drop the support for Other OS functions and close the system down.

Gabe here wants that Sony opens their system a bit. So that it would be easier to develop, what they learn about the system is useful in future too, and it is generally about not wasting resources.

Besides man got a point there. Sony should start making general purpose PCs in style of Commodore Amiga which are not only powerful desktops but also powerful gaming machines. It would be standard platform in living rooms for years to come and would feature good backwards compatibility. And this is the thing what Microsoft fears the most.

[dredgewalker]

Maybe Gabe meant open as in a MacDonald's or Big Mac. I think he was hungry when he was being interviewed.

[AssassinHD]

I don't really care about what Valve wants. That is all I have to say on the subject.

[madpuppy]

There is nothing "open" about ANYTHING that Apple manufactures.

[joker2k8]

man if there is one person i dislike the most is this guy. just say you dont want to work on the ps3. not like i really care if Valve makes a game for the ps3. there games suck IMO i hated half-life and left 4 dead is total garbage.
i would rather have great developers like Epic and Bioware make some more ps3 games.

[blakstarz]

Valve: Stop making excuses, grow a pair and make a damn game for the PS3 already, stop babbling a bunch of bullsh!t and just DO IT! You are probably the only developer left out there that is scared to take a challenge and create a game for the PS3...what are you afraid of? Failure? Yeah..I think that's it.

[Redempteur]

sorry WHAT ???

"open like a mac " priceless sentence of the day !!!

[Master of Unlocking]

miss the point of all of gabe Newell's attacks on the PS3: it is quite simply due to them knowing they couldn't develop for it, much less a game wich wouldn't look like a complete turd when compared to Top-of-the-line titles like Uncharted 2 or god of war 3, due to them being nothing other than a vastly overestimated dev which at one point in the past had the supposed stroke of genius of developping a PC game that told a story about area51 and aliens fought by some mute guy wearing a big blocky armor and featured some vaguely realistic physics. That's it, really! Of course, then, knowing they don't have, and never had, the know-how to develop a quality game on the PS3, or any other platform for that matter, the only way left is to attack the PS3 to no end. Bravo! -_-

[exnihilonihilfit]

What I think you really are getting at is that Valve, I feel, are better game makers than they are programmers. They're very smart about implementing different ideas in their games, but he tech that they use isn't the best or highest quality. Left 4 Dead is the perfect example of this. L4D is nothing more than half life 2, but with a different story, setting and a zombie mechanic. The same is basically true of Portal as well. Valve is really a one-hit wonder, they just figured out how to re-mix it well. Plus, they figured out how to make a ton of money off of a distribution platform.

[Lord Gunchrote]

Its seems like they hate PS3....and it doesn't bother me. Theres too many other developers releasing grade A shit for me to care about them neglecting Sony. Theres choice if they don't wanna make some dough.

[arsenal55]

what in the hell are they saying? wtf is that suppose to mean?

[Apone]

Gabe, Gabe... oh Gabe... *sigh*

[gumgum99]

“We would love to see the PS3 be more open like a Mac than more closed like a Gamecube. It makes it easier to justify those investments if that were the case.”

Hello there Valve, I'm Other OS. I don't think we've met. I was on the PS3 from 2006-2010.

Yeah, and my name is Upgradeable Hard Drive. I allow the PS3 to upgrade to "any" standard laptop hard drive available, and am not restricted to just the Sony brand either. Have we met? ^_^

[dkgshiz]

WTH?

[dkgshiz]

Except this makes zero sense. I would maybe understand this if he said linux. Still, I have no idea what hes talking about.

[hiredhelp]

Firstl i cant stand valve. 2ndly if they want to learn about the ps3 instead of knocking it.maybe take time out and go ask naughty dog or gurilla games.Better still learn how the platform works. dont be supprised if its more than you thought under the enclosed hood.

[Toneman]

PS3 is doing fine without them... what a bunch of whiny b*tches! PS3 can pull of games like MGS4, Uncharted 2, God of War 3, Killzone 2 etc... but not good enough for Valve? Get over yourselves!

[Morgue]

" I'm Gabe Newell and Windows 7 was my idea " or however that commercial goes.

[LinuxGuru]

Open like Mac? Mac is one of the most closed platforms EVER...what kinda dumbass thing to say is that?

[gano]

That M$ control like when steve jobs came back after stealing my man original huh.
Once again the M$ supports talk dumb shyt again. Valve a good company?
Thank god for the smart ones. This company ain't made shyt worth buying.
Keep that valve. Everything u make, make for pc or that box. We really don't need you over here.

[Tzuno]

It's because the cost to make a game for PS3 is much higher. Case closed move on.

[N4BmpS]

Okay Valve I'm beginning to worry about your 'reputation' as one of the great developers this generation. Hear me out, Valve has one game that I know of and it's a port, a very bad port at that. Either they don't know how to approach the PS3 or they don't want to approach the PS3, I can't say for sure.

But I do know that I get more and more disappointed. It makes no sense, “Platform investments, like the Mac, are difficult because you have to be aware of what direction that platform is moving. We need to target platforms that do a better job of looking like where we want to be in a few years.” Even now, I don't completely understand, the PS2 outlasted the Dreamcast, NGC and the Xbox based on the history (albeit the PS3 had a slower start) it could do the same thing even with the heightened competition, the gaming industry is kind of unpredictable.

[hazelamy]

seriously, watch the video, he talks loads of rubbish.
the guy asks him what steam is about and then he goes off on some ten minute monologue about the graphics card race.
they need to put him out to pasture i think, he's doing valve more harm than good these days.
the man's a walking public relations nightmare

[Arnon]

Rofl... there is some major crying going on in this article.

[skyblue14213]

gabe newell: "We need to target platforms that do a better job of looking like where we want to be in a few years". - So what you are saying is that the ps3 is not doing a good job in the games department? The ps3 has some of the best games out on the market that spread a wide range of genres. The ps3 is also one of the most pirate proof consoles out of the big 3 atm. It is either that or you don't want to learn new ways to program games, which in short is just pure laziness. Valve seems more like a "follower" type of company by only doing the bare minimum necessary to go with the times, instead of being a "leader" type of company and trying new ways to program to release their games on another platform by tapping into a bigger demographic user base thus making more money to invest in better technology and more programmers thus making better games and staying at and/or near the top or ahead of the competition. In fact after my previous experience with valve I could care less if they make games for the ps3 or not, valve is only hurting themselves and not me or anyone else for that matter.