Earlier this week, Crytek CEO Cevat Yerli defended EA Games' decision to have 'premium' demo's, of which gamers will pay for. Industry legend David Jaffe on the other hand, isn't too keen on the idea.
That's true. It wouldn't make sense for the publisher when they try to get you to buy the game with a demo that consumers have to pay for.
This guy is more boring then Greenburg and whole Crytek put together.
No. These are just random tweets that these so-called journalists turn into articles. It's starting to get very redundant.
theres not a day go by that Jeffe,Greenburg or Crytek dont spice N4G a bit,its getting boring.
This guy is awesome.
Don't blame Jaffe though, it isn't his fault that he can't use twitter without people making an article about every little comment he makes.
I think people are just getting the whole concept wrong and using the word demo incorrectly with the new plan. Take THQ for example who released that 90 minute 'demo' of Darksiders. That's what EA is suggesting doing but instead, more longer 'trials' but with a price. Basically pay a small fee to experience maybe 1-2 hours of the game. Isn't that part of Sony's rumored premium PSN features anyway? Like basically playing a good portion of a game which would be way more then a demo? For example, I could see maybe Activision releasing a multiplayer demo of the next Call of Duty which features maybe 2-3 maps and 1-2 modes with unlimited play. You aren't getting the full MP experience but you are still able to play multiplayer with what is given as much as you want for a small fee. ^ that idea doesnt sound too bad to me. That's what it is really. Should be called extended play or something instead of demo if this kicks off. NOW, if it's just regular demo formats that have been releasing free like they always have then anyone who goes that route can kiss my ass and millions of other gamers.
I will never be dumb enough to actually buy a demo. A demo is there so that you will hopefully buy the game if the developer is lucky enough.
" For example, I could see maybe Activision releasing a multiplayer demo of the next Call of Duty which features maybe 2-3 maps and 1-2 modes with unlimited play. You aren't getting the full MP experience but you are still able to play multiplayer with what is given as much as you want for a small fee. " ...that's actually a damn good idea....*runs to copyright agency*
OMG! This site is getting obsessed with this guy. Okay,he makes great games, don't quote him every two minutes. Tomorrow I'll make, "Jaffe F* my mom, he said it was like a mini game" and it will reach 1200 degrees. There should be a co-site to N4G called NewsFromJaffe. Go ahead people,click that disagree button... -_-
gt5 prologue really IS a game then. Now i dont mind so much.
Two news articles from Jaffe and people call this 'overkill'? Re: EA 'demo' concept --- Unless I can deduct the $15-20 they want to charge me for the demo towards the full game when I've decided I want to buy it, there's no way I'd buy into that sort of thing. Blaze brought up doing a small-portion multiplayer CoD type game, but EA doesn't want to do that. They want to give you 1-2 hours of single player experience, charge you for it, and hope you like it enough you'll go out and buy the game at full price as well. It's an idiotic and d1ck1sh move, IMHO. Something we'd normally associated with Activision.
On an all new "Jaffe says....."
The same jerks that buy up DLC by the storm and full priced expansions will pay for this and soon people will forget demos were ever free. Like when they brought us DLC that is already on the disk. Remember when Rockstar use to make a whole new city for us and drop them on the market every year. Now they just make a new story in the same damn city and let us pay for the weapons they left out of the original. It really hurts me that people supported that... and worse, bragged about having the opportunity to get shafted exclusively! But it was just a timed exclusive shafting!
He makes great games you say! The only good game he made was the orginal GOW. Yes i know people he made 2 Twisted Metal games and i do not like that series.
Except gt5:prologue has more content than most full priced racing games....and splinter cell conviction.
"Jerks who buy full priced expansions"? You're obviously referring to Halo 3:ODST. Funny, you don't seem to have a problem with people who spend $40 (2/3 of full price) on a "prologue" which is less than 1/10th of a complete game - or at least what the competition's full games consist of.
Name the racing games then. I want to know a single full priced racing game that only has 6 tracks or less like GT5P. You guys keep mouthing off with this so lets here it. Put up or shut up.
At least Jaffe makes statements more clever than Greenburg...Ouch.
And what stops publishers from raising the price even further for these extended play?. I don't like it one bit. Its just another method for publishers to rip off more money from gamers. Before we know it we will pay the equivlent of the MP portion of game for these extended play demos to justify the rise in price of regular games. Look at DLC and where we are now. Before i bought a game it was the complete game now its not the complete experience which is stupid.
Yep people can run their big yapper, but can not back it up. Me personally i think your an idiot if you paid 40 bucks for a 6 track racing game.
what you suggested has been done, its called a beta and they're free. I cant ever see myself paying for a demo, despite the length. The difference between a demo and a long trial would be that you will essentially pay for the same content again once the game is released. If I have to pay to beta test a game then that company should pay me for doing it. The information that we provide them should not be free. Then again people could not be douche bags and keep gaming the way it is. Try improving gaming instead of looking for new ways to nickle and dime the gaming community.
bb b u but Gran Turismo Prologue wasn't a demo!
Seriously why would you wanna pay for a demo? It's not like back in the day when you wanted to buy a magazine for the demo cd in the back.
Holy crap, that's twice in as many days that i've agreed with Jaffe, never thought it would happen. Comments like this and the game manual one coming from Scrooge Mc. Give-me-some-money-from-used-g ame-sales ??? Bizarre.
I'm sorry but I don't see Jaffe's name under the article submitted by section above. Nor do I see his name at ConnectedConsoles where the article comes from. Why wold you hate on him when all he did was voice an opinion on his twitter? He is not the one you should direct your anger towards, you should direct it towards those who wrote the article or better yet, the one who submitted it here.
I get the concept, I get that it makes sense to pay for it. What I don't get is why this concept has been announced by a PR-moron. They want to you to pay for a "demo", a term that has been associated with a small, free portion of a game, free. So immediatly people jump to the conclusion that you will pay for something that has been free before, not something new. I think that's basicly what Jaffe tried to say. Don't call it a "demo" if you suggest something different.
I would seriously never buy a demo! I would buy a cheap fun PSN game instead if it was this way.. Instead I would look at gameplay on youtube or try the game out elsewhere.. Stupid idea.. Nothing more to say about this..
Quit stating your opinion as fact...you people are annoying.
What's so hard to understand that he is stating his opinion. I didn't take it any other way. People like you are the reason why there is so much hate on this site. Gotta try to twist and turn stuff into something it isn't. But i agree with him the only good game he put out was GOW. Don't like my opinion tough you have to live with it. And BTW, you can either state opinion or you can state facts you can not do both. Cause if it was facts it wouldn't be a opinion would it.
How much gameplay do you expect out of a $60 game? What about a $5-$10 demo? People can get so hardheaded when money is involved. If the demo is, in itself, worth the price you pay for it... whoopty f-ing doo. It's business. Business in a free market. Either you pay for it and get it, or you don't and you don't. Either way, devs will only do this as long as they can make money and it doesn't harm the money making potential of the full title.
The developers can make all the "premium" demos they want... I won't be buying SH*T. This news is only relevant to the dumb-asses that will be wasting their money on them. I'm far too grown-up and intelligent to be peer-pressured into even buying DLC... Premium demos? Hehe... What a joke.
this is the slippery slope that PAID DLC started us on. Many of us even called this. Next thing you know they will charge you to play online.... oh wait. WTF ever happened to making a demo that MAKES people want to buy your product. Could it be that EAs half assed games suffer saleswise once people get a taste of them through a demo. EPIC FAIL.
same here . i dont agree with him on a few stuffs like DLC pricing and wat not , but this time i gotta have to agree with him 100% . if it's a demo it MUST be free . the whole point of demo is to mass promote your game . making your possible customers to pay for your advertisement is just another way to give them the finger . jaffe , you know you still have my respect ; ) .
at least when he talks he doesnt sound like some MS or Sony rep/CEO...he is a gamer at heart at least we know a Twisted Metal PS3 demo(i hope to God that is what he is making) is going to be free
Why would anyone pay for a demo? You may as well wait for the game to come out and then just rent it, at least you'll get your moneys worth that way.
Kudos for figuring that out! Why the hell would I pay for part of a game, when I could rent it for the same price and rush through the whole damn thing if I don't want to buy it.
Jaffe, your the man. I am going to do my best to play God of War just on that comment. I respect people with integrity. Not every aspect of a business should be about making money and screwing people over. This is obviously a developer who is a gamer at hart.
"If u pay for it, it's not a demo. The idea of paying for something SMALLER than the retail version, like a taste that is MORE than a demo and less than a retail product I'm ok with. But it ain't a demo." He is actually ok with the idea as long as you dont call it a demo; perhaps you could call it a Prologue.
Yup. Not everything Jaffe says I agree with, but this I certainly do.
I mean come on, paying for a demo is a rip-off, whats next? paying to play a game online oh wait....
/\\/\/\/\/\ I agree seriously I means whats next release a controller taking some functions out then turn right around and release the same controller with the missings fucntions.
I mean whats next Put up a bunch of game's and arcade title's and don't put demo's up for people to try.
I mean whats next Put a 2 foot charging cable in your system package so you can't play and charge at the same time.
From Wikipedia: A game demo is a -----FREELY----- distributed demonstration or preview of an upcoming or recently released computer or video game.
Well if its on wikipedia it must be true then right? Im just joking and I agree. I also think that the word demo isnt the right word here, they should have called it something like prequel episodic content or something like that. Not a demo as thats just stupid. I refuse to pay a person to give them the opportunity to sell me something.
And aren't demos first put out on trade shows like E3 to get hype rolling? Its only been recently that we the public have been getting demo tailored directly at us.
Well this day and age yes... B4 those jampacks and xbox mag demo cds weren't always free, unless u opened the mag and took the cd 8-) XD
o those were the days. EA can lick my balls if they want cash for demos.if i want to know wot fifa or tiger woods plays like ill just remember last years rehashed version.those people should be payin us to play their demos.maybe we could pick out the glitches and bugs better than their QA dept.
Wow I can't believe I agree with wrathman but I do.
Ok Jaffe is my favorite individual developer but I'm really sick of seeing everything he tweets as a news article. Just stop.
Wtf are with the disagrees?
I really enjoy seeing everything he tweets as a news article. I am anxiously awaiting his, "I masturbated twice last night" tweet. /sarc
Never thought i would say this but I agree with you murderdolls That being said i dont blame jaffe but rather the media. As its not Jaffe's fault if someone makes an article on something he says.
Even cocain and estacy demo are free.
he's absolutely right, nobody wants to pay for demo. its nonsensical.
of any game i dont care how good the previous installment of the game was that charges is a fully released product that i wont be buying
I wouldn't put it above "gamers" to pay for advertisements. No sir. As soon as this nickle-diming BS starts getting out of control I will find another hobby. Won't be much longer until the industry collapses if this crap continues.
i will never pay for a demo i don't care how good the damn game is
no exuse for charging people to play a demo of your game.....EA and Activision LOL both are trash one of these days some disgruntled suicidal gamer is gonna mess one of them up
Are you out of your mind? Why pay a demo for god sake? In my opinion there is very lack of demo's. Greenburg is a wast of time and Crytec have a big mouth.
This is one of those things that should go without saying. Just like that a game that is on more than one platform is not exclusive.
what a complete load of twaddle. just looking for more ways to fleece gamers out of their money for mediocre products. little to no effort, big pay day for EA.
I love Jaffe. xDDDDDD 100% agreed.
I bet he'd be OK with that.
if they start charging for demos, i bet more people are gonna pirate games just to see if they're worth paying for. terrible idea.
yo know that prolly true many of times have i pirated an album to check it out, and if i like i buy the real version and check them out in a concert.
The whole point of the demo is to convince us to pay for your product. We have to pay to be convinced to pay more? Screw off