The Lost Gamer writes: Industry figure David Jaffe, Designer/ Director at Eat Sleep Play, has commented on Ubisoft's recent announcement regarding an environmentally friendly move to stop producing printed game manuals.
I'm with you, Jaffe.
Paper manuals are cool
Me too. Also, is it actually environmentally unfriendly to be producing paper manuals? If we didn't produce so much paper, there'd be no need to grow paper trees, so there would be fewer trees. Is that really environmentally unfriendly?
Especially for games that have wonderful artwork in the manual itself, or have special hints or tips placed by the developers. I remember I used to write all my cheat codes down in the back of the game manual, or if a manual didn't have a "notes" page, I would affix post-it notes. Those were the days... :(
First the manual, then the box and disc. I understand the benefits of moving towards a paperless system, but I honestly hate digital manuals since I like to have the game running while I look through it... and now to do that I have to print it on regular paper and put it in a notebook or something rather than having a handy, small-sized pamphlet available.
What a bunch of lies...this has everything to do with control....What's that you say, need help...well just fill out this on-line questionnaire, give us your E-mail address, date of birth, last known address, male or female, phone number, employer, where you can be reached, hair color, eye color...ETC....not funny guys...Ubi and EA and everyone else are trying to get as much info on you as possible...don't believe me, join ubireg.com....You can't even ask those questions for a job interview where I live....Saving the world...sure...what about the discs, plastic covers, paper inserts...please...Computers are one of the most toxic things in the world....
lol yeah i did that too but it wasn't cheats, i just wrote down finishing moves, combos, etc... makes me wonder what happened to my SNES
first thing i do when i pick up a great game is open the box and read the booklet. and that would be at some cafe or dining place. it feels good to read the booklet before you get to even put the disc in. anyway, since it's only Ubisoft talking here (for now), i don't think it'll affect me because honestly their upcoming PoP game looks lame. the character looks really bad. so does the environment. i downloaded the video from PSN. sadly, after being treated to games like U2, Demon's Souls, Heavy Rain, God of War 3... average game doesn't interest me at all.
"environmentally friendly move" lol yeah, right.... "environmentally friendly move" = Cut Costs To Increase Profit
I never ever bother to read or even open those manuals anyway, so what's the point in having them when a tutorial is like in almost every game you play these days.... Although, it does make the case feel incomplete without it... Like an HDTV without cable.. then again, I don't even watch cable tv.
Jaffe: F*ck the environment! :P J/k I think if you are going to include a manual---make it awesome! I love when the inside of manuals are colored with art here and there or comic strips, etc. If you are just going to make a generic, black and white, blah blah manual then yeah skip it and save the paper, but if you are going to make it look like a mini art book of sorts I'm all for it. :D
Anything Ubisoft comes up with, has to be bad.
On Gametrailer's BonusRound with Jaffe & N'Gai Croal, Croal said he was 'moved' by the Modern Warfare 2 Terrorist scene. Jaffe said that was bullshit! He found it interesting but it didn't 'move' him to tears or anything. Likewise about the loss of paper manuals- they can easily be recycled, but I think Ubisoft are abandoning them to save money. Personally I like to hold a manual in my hand so I DONT have to pause and go into a menu screen to search for controls. If you've played Ubisoft's Assassin's Creed 2, you will know what I mean. It's easier to find a feather than those blimmin' fight controls!
im with Jaffe on this one
in a few hours we will have an article about Ubisofts new DLC: Manuals, which will be sold as a pseudo strategy guide
I'll second David. He is right, the ideas simply SUCKS!
I actually think the digital book could be really cool.
"Especially for games that have wonderful artwork in the manual itself, or have special hints or tips placed by the developers." What's to say you won't get a HD full screen version of a manual? I imagine it would be easier to produce electronic manuals with colour and a lot more artwork then printing out millions of them.
Paper MANUALS FTW! Thats the only thing that keeps me from going insane when i buy a game and have to goto college or work right after. I just keep reading it till i get on my ps3
Seriously? People are mad about this? Honestly, when was the last time the manual was anything other than useless? They've become worthless anymore. Controls? You're usually taken through a lil "tutorial" section at the beginning of most games that explains the controls to you if needed. Other than that the manual provides nothing usually. The last time I remember manuals being useful was back in the old days when you actually did have to write down codes, etc. Ever since save systems came into play though, that became unneeded. Seriously, I can't even remember how many times these days I've heard people b*tch about how useless manuals have become these days and how little information they really give you. Now they want to get rid of the physical version of them and people whine? Never can be satisfied huh. Really, manuals are worthless. I can't even remember the last time I used a manual. Back in the day the very first thing I used to do was read through the whole manual before popping in the game. Nowadays, there's nothing in there of any use really. Want to get rid of manuals? Fine by me. And to the ones whining about cases then discs will be next: That's a completely different can to open. Has nothing to do with this really. That's more along the lines of going digital. That's not going to happen. Cause people aren't going to want to give up physical medium anytime soon. This situation here is more akin to movie studios deciding to stop putting that lil chapter listing sheet inside each DVD case. It's virtually useless anyways, and it won't be missed (except by the ones who just like to whine and cry about everything). Only time the manuals were ever worthwhile was back when the size of a small novella and they included a place for codes and such. Now that we have a save system though, that's not needed. And they only put like 2 pages of information in them anymore these days anyways. Then the last 3 pages are just credits.
It's been there from day so i believe it should stay lol and what about the people with no internet they going to put the manual in the game are they? doubt it @ below true did't think about that... we still need them though lol
You don't need the Internet for manuals. Most games teach you how to play the first chapter or level. Some have specific tutorials also. BTW Jaffe, did your Calling All Cars game have a paper manual? No!
It was a download title.. what the hell do you expect? For the devs to post you a manual?
Ubisoft have stated that the manuals will still be included digitally in-game though, I guess we'll have to see how it works out =]
If downloadable games don't need a manual, neither do physical media based games, that's my point. You can download games on PSN like Warhawk and you don't get a manual. It can also be bought on a Bluray. Same with Live and on demand games.
for warhawk in the store was 60 warhawk on PSN was 40. Thats an extra 20 dollars for probably shipping/casing/disc/papermanu al. Ofc its not NEEDED but a lot of people like to look at the manuel before playing their games and honestly I prefer to look at the manual then jump right into a game then boring tutorial.
Are you joking? Warhawk in stores came with a blue tooth headset. I would imagine that is why it cost more.
Warhawk 60$ bundle included blutooth. Same with Socom Confrontation. The game alone costs 40$ (at launch)
And the manual is one of the best.. Replacing that for digital... NAH UH.. these are priceless -End statement
Don't actually read them so if they are gone I wouldn't miss them. Maybe next week we can ask Jaffe what he thinks of global warming since his opinion on any topic seems to be news worthy.
Manuals don't matter to anybody unless you're a collector of sorts, in which case, have fun with your piece of paper while we gamers play the actual game.
Don't be such an ignorant tard. Instruction manuals are very useful if you want to get a quick overview of the game before playing.
Dear lord , are we going to get in the next 2 hours Molyneux's feelings about paper manual too ? Then tonight , that crytek bozo going on about "Crisis 2's manual being the new standard and beating UC2 and KZ2" ? Later followed by a announcement of move/natal support manual , and 15 days later HHG's groundbreaking and exclusive "vidicle" about "Sony goin' to bury Mario's manuals with 3D manualz ! Word!" I can almost smell a jim sterling rant too somewhere along the line
Soon we will be hearing the sales of game Manuels
Maybe they should print it on toilet paper? You know...something to read while doing the deed and just wipe after doing both....its much more environmental...
I like my paper manuals and I read them all
The environmental angle is bull. Plain and simple. All paper production in North America comes from wood harvested from tree farms. Those trees exist for the production of paper. You don't save a single tree by stopping paper production. You LOSE trees. The question is, how many manuals end up in landfills? Not many and they all bio-degrade. The ink and aqueous coating do too. The only thing being saved is money. They are lowering the overhead by ending the printing production of manuals. Will they cut the cost off the end product? Of course not. You'll pay for it. You just won't receive it. B. S. End of story.
No the environmental angle isn't bull. You don't have to run chainsawas to harvest the trees, no machinery has to be ran to grind the trees into pulp, no electricity and fuel is used for the printing, production, and transportation of the paper manuals. It comes down to saving fossil fuels and electricity if nothing else. Every little bit helps. Not to mention any chemicals like bleach being used to make the paper white, no dyes, anything! Producing paper uses more than trees.
I didn't say it takes only trees. I'm saying their claim is bull. They're reducing overhead without passing the savings on to the consumer. If you want to pay the same for less, that's your call. I'm not paying $60 without my manual.
WHy are people disagreeing with ElementX? All that he has posted is fact.
when will he shut up and just show us what is his game is
It's not his game, it's Sony's game.
wish they replace the manuals with posters or maps ( like oblivion ) or something like that.... it would be cool...
Yeah, I love games that provide stuff like that Like Rockstar giving Posters with many of there games.
scrap manuals and replace it with a poster in each case i would actually use those
Black Rash that's a great idea. I was mad when GTA IV didn't bring a poster like the previous installments. A nice poster would be ... nice.
Kigmal what are you talking about? GTA IV has a poster, its a big poster of Niko, I have it on my wall right now.
Ali, in the USA, you get a two sided poster of a map. Maybe it was the version I got. I got a regular edition. I got no Niko Belic poster, just the map on both sides.
they will go away one day...its just a matter of time, just like the paper boxes to keep games are old news xD still, i agree, i loved them =) always go through one when there's a new game, even if i barely need to xD
I like my manual tucked snugly beside the disc in the case. dont take them away.
“HATE the idea of losing paper manuals. Great manuals add to the experience and – when you are a kid – make the car ride home from the store where you got the game bearable. I LOVED pouring over great game manuals as a kid.” Ha, I take taxis everywhere so whenever I get a new game I always bust out the manual and read the backstory and the controls list while riding back to my apartment. I hope we never lose paper manuals, all this talk of being "eco-friendly" what a joke. It's all about money and ubisoft is trying to save some. I bet the games will still come with ads tucked away where the manual should be. This generation has been extremely bad as far as big developers taking advantage of the consumer.
nintendo has made some of the greatest collectible manuals of all time. that goes for the third parties like capcom and konami as well. who here remembers the metal gear nes booklet?
if we are paying less they iam fine most of the information in the manuals could just be put on the disc in the menu. but really do we need most of the information in them ? I not read one for years my self and most likley would not notice.
I can honestly say I don't think I've ever HAD to look in a manual, why would you?
jaffe is awesome and everything but man does he have to make these comments everyday? everyday its something new...work on your game!
i no, right? less time on twiter or his blog, more time on his game.....please
So he's not allowed to go on twitter in his free time even when he isn't working?
no. he can do what he wants in his free time. its just everyday there is something new.."heres jaffes thoughts on this.." "jaffe thinks this and that...". its just like when you see the news or something..."coming up we get (insert celebrity name) thoughts on the war." okay your famous but that doesnt mean you have more insight on whatever subject. jaffe is awesome, these article are just getting old thats all im sayin
I can't remember the last time I used a Manual. All games these days come with a built in menu with controls and button config as well as a tutorial in the beginning. I for 1 am glad that they get rid of the manual and I hope many companies follow suit. I hope this will also bring down the cost of the game as well since we no longer would be paying for a manual.
the only time i read the manual is when im taking the bus back from a game shop
I hate the idea too, but it's probably better for the planet.
Probably good for the planet but since I'm grown with NES and stuff it would be rather wierd for me to open up a case and find no manual.
as soon as jaffe says it's not good...people follow like zombies. not surprising though. stop agreeing because you like his games. i love gow too, but just because he takes a side doesn't mean you have to agree. seriously, it's embarrassing.
so because we share same opinon where following like zombies the fact is large portion of gamers would not even notice there gone and small portion that dose would have no reason to complain becuse really dont help you in the game i dont care about all eco crap the planey dies when dies just everything in this world why should we change the way we live for all this crap.
That's an incredibly selfish mindset, what about your children and their children? What sort of planet do you want to leave them behind?
ABSOLUTELY agree with Jaffe.
I am all for hug a tree but paper manuals are great for late night reading when your bord
Why not just use recycled products for both the box, and the manual?
Paper manuals nowadays in games matter little. The games themselves already teach the player all they need to know. Even if the game did include a paper manual it is usually only a few lines about system requirements and a synopsis and maybe characters and weapon bio's that are a paragraph each. If they got rid of this, i wouldn't miss it much. But does anyone remember the early days of PC gaming, where the manuals were absolutely huge spanning sometimes hundreds of pages (F15 Strike Eagles, Falcon 2.0, Simearth, Darklands, Civilization, Homeworld, Diablo 2, Warcraft 3, Ground Control, Master of Orion/Magic, Baldur's Gate, KOTOR and so on), now those games had manuals, and they had system errata booklets as well. Sometimes you would get even three individual booklets. The books usually had a foreward, an introduction, history of the era or setting, my god they were literally books. Hell even the FPS games like Alien vs Predator 1 had huge manuals. Now those are the manuals I miss alot. As for today's manuals, do we really need them? The only games today that have manuals worth even a cent of my reading time is maybe the RTS games like Total War, Dawn of War 2, and RPG games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age. It saddens me how less time is spent in manuals nowadays anyway, i would rather not see them at all rather than getting a few pages that end in a help hotline number to call or something.