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Roger Ebert Still Says Games Can Never Be Art, but Why Should I Care What He Thinks?

Broke My Controller Writes - Roger Ebert's longtime stance against "games as art" hasn't changed. Most gamers still see games as art, and Roger Ebert still sees them as something more in line with competitive sport. Just a few days ago the film critic decided to stir the pot again in a recent blog post. Ebert again said that videogames cannot be art and again, the videogame defense squad swooped in to the rescue...

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morganfell5549d ago

Actually he isn't saying it...more like typing it.

Noctis Aftermath5549d ago

At this stage i don't think you could call games art either, but i wouldn't let a movie critic decide if games can be art or not when chances are he's doesn't even play them.

r0s3b0wl235549d ago

Forgive Mr. Ebert, he obviously hasn't played Uncharted 2.

LordMarius5549d ago

.........Who gives a [BEEP]?

Bathyj5549d ago (Edited 5549d ago )

Whatever. Tell that to the 100's of artist that make them. I really hate people who dont actually create anything themselves, sitting back and judging on high like a pretencious twat, without ever putting themselves out there to be judged.

Besides, I dont care what this guy thinks about movies, why should I care what he thinks about games.

2 thumbs, up his arse.

HolyOrangeCows5549d ago

A guy who has probably never played a game in his life doesn't think they can be art. Good for him?

BldyShdw5549d ago

This is like asking a vegetarian what is the best burger at mcdonald's. They wouldn't know, nor would this guy about VG's being art.

Chubear5549d ago

I've never understood why gamers care about people "critics" like these when they say stuff like this. I mean it's Roger Ebert, have you seen the art in the movies he's directed or assisted in producing? They're all crap and it never ceases to amaze me how people hang you his words on movies but hey, that's reviews for ya.

If you can't see that VGs are art then you simply don't know what art is no matter how many "art galleries" you may own or manage. You'd be surprised how little a lot of these up turned nosed arty farties know about ACTUAL art.

Bottomline, gamers really shouldn't give the time of day to these kinds of people. To them, VGs are all pong or mario 1 from 1986.

INehalemEXI5549d ago

Opinions are like ********. Everyone has one, this one stank.

SullyDrake5548d ago (Edited 5548d ago )

Saying video games aren't are is exactly the same as saying every human is the same. There is no argument, there is only fact, and on the side there are the stubborn, close-minded idiots of old like Ebert here.

The beauty of art is that it can be anything. Music, video games, film, visual art, food, nature, even the human body - everything is art. Art is emotion. Art is something that gives you an experience. Basically, art gives.

Ebert's moronic statements are giving me a headache, and that as an exception is not art.

Darkstorn5548d ago

Ebert should stick to films. He's a great movie reviewer, but he can't seem to get his mind around video games.

N4BmpS5548d ago

Music, movies, video games, poetry and from time to time novelization all have one thing in common, they can be interpreted in many different ways. Sure video games, to a lesser degree; it doesn't have to be interpreted in many ways, most of the time it's very straight forward. However, the same can be said about music, movies and the others not everyone is going to say Shakespeare is an artsy writer some people will think it's meaningless. Not everyone is going to like Hip-hop music or the Beatles, they'll think they're overrated. It's basically how you look at these things, it's all about opinion. But I don't give a F#^( I have a PS3 I love the games I have I love the Graphics of them too(hmmm Graphic arts isn't art?). So whatever.

ShadowJetX5548d ago

Why do people take him so seriously for anyway? I mean I just heard of the guy yesterday because of the earlier stories. I mean it's like everyone's been sayin, the guy has never played a game before so his opinion means jack all. And besides, look how square the guy's face is. How could you possible take him seriously!?

morganfell5548d ago

Remember, this is a guy that criticizes movies, all aspects, for a living yet he wrote the screen play for Valley of the Dolls. What a joke...

Hill_billy5548d ago

Games that I would say are more artful than others and the others I would describe as "popcorn" games. Games that let you sit back and enjoy the fun without any true emotional attachments. Same thing with movies. There are some that are artful that grab you and pull you into the story and leave you with wanting more. Others, they simply are there for sheer entertainment and they are the movies you watch once or twice and never go back to. In the end, this guy knows only one media as that is what his job has been for decades. Don't hate him for being narrow-minded, simply learn from his mistake and become more open to the reality that games can in fact be as artful as movies, but not all movies and games are real art.

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mikepmcc5549d ago

It's just a dying generation that will never understand the things that they didn't grow up with, just like how the people before them didn't understand rock 'n roll as an art form, and the people before them movies.

CountDracula5549d ago

Because he's the man with the plan and a jaw of steel!

CountDracula5549d ago (Edited 5549d ago )

Because he's a cancer survivor with some great writing skills!

clarkdef5549d ago

He is insulting the artists that went through years of training, to get the title "game art director" or such. What stupid old fool. But old people are always stubbon, my dads terrible too haha he's about 62.

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The Real Enemy of Gaming Isn’t DEI. It’s the CEO

From Horse Armor to Mass Layoffs: The Price of Greed in Gaming. Inside the decades-long war on game workers and the players who defend them.

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jambola18d ago

maybe a real enemy is people who use terms like "the real enemy"
there can be more than 1 bad thing, t's not like a kids show with 1 big bad

senorfartcushion17d ago

This is very much a “dummy who volunteers themselves to the middle” comment.

The real enemy is a common phrase, people use it all the time.

Calm down.

jambola17d ago

i'm very calm
you seem very upset however

Notellin16d ago

You don't seem calm at all. Don't take this so seriously, you seem desperate responding to others defending your opinion that lacks any value or critical thought.

jambola16d ago

stop projecting
i'm not desperately dong anything, i'm tapping at keys on my keyboard bud

PapaBop16d ago

It's not like kids show with one bad guy? I present to you.. Bobby Kotick

ABizzel116d ago (Edited 16d ago )

DEI was never the problem and it was an ignorant take to begin with.

DEI is why games like Kena Bridge of Spirits, South of Midnight, and Ghost of Tsushima exist.

DEI is why we have a huge resurgence in Japanese, Chineses, and Korean developers producing games like Stellar Blade, Black Myth, and why Nintendo & Sony exist.

DEI is why more and more games have HUGE accessibility options with both Sony and MS fully behind this.

DEI was never a bad thing, the entire purpose of DEI is representation of all people, genders, disabilities, etc…

The problem was people used DEI as a default derogatory term to describe what they believed was forced representation, which allowed colorist, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, and xenophobic fools to run away with the negative DEI narrative.

jambola15d ago

you don't get to decide other people's motivations
sorry to break it to you

ABizzel115d ago (Edited 15d ago )

To each their own, however, nothing you said invalidates why some people take offense to DEI incorrectly.

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Sciurus_vulgaris18d ago

Executives seem to often have an obsession with perpetual revenue growth. There is always a finite amount of consumers for a product regardless of growth. Additionally, over investment is another serious issue in gaming.

Killer2020UK17d ago

The fact that they also rarely have any real expertise in game development compounds things. They'll look at what's been successful elsewhere, lack the knowledge to properly understand why they have been successful and then force a team to 'reproduce' their badly interpreted idea of that success.

We see it so often with sequels to games that were successful too. The team are left well alone, they have a break through hit and all of sudden the money men descend on the IP and completely railroad the dev team's ideas. Usually winds up being 'make the same game but MORE'

LoveSpuds16d ago

This is true throughout all of the corporate and public sector organisations to be honest. CEO's generally move amongst the corporate world without any need to have experience of a particular industry, they simply need to rely on their senior leadership credentials. A CEO of a retail giant will just as easily transition to a CEO role in the energy sector for example.

Not defending CEOs here to be clear, I think it's a huge part of the reason the western world is so fucked up. CEOs don't need to care about the sector they work in, in fact it's better if they don't care if they want to screw everyone to make profits.

GhostScholar17d ago

Companies don’t hire executives to break even. If the goal is breaking even then why start the company in the first place.

Soy17d ago

That's understood; it's getting record profits and expecting to always beat those record profits, and seeing anything less as a total failure. Then they lay people off and raise prices to reach those record profit levels again, just to sate shareholders. It's setting expectations way too high just to spike share prices, then inevitably falling short. It's feeling entitled to being more successful than everyone else. It's the CEOs doing all this to boost their own bonuses.

ABizzel116d ago

Growth benefits the company’s profits and therefore the company’s stock if publicly traded, which pleases the shareholders making them more and more rich, which is why Growth is always at the forefront of the vast majority of any publicly traded company.

More growth = More Money and the people at the top want all the money they can get. I can’t really blame them anyone would love to see their profits go from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, to multi-millions it’s almost like a gambling addiction.

But it also goes to show someone how morals can go out the window for a lot of these people, and how amazing some CEOs are when they catch this early and provide a balance solution that takes complete care of their employees across the board while keeping the business sustainable IE: Insomniac Games ALWAYS on the best places to work list. The rest of the industry could learn.

jambola18d ago

honestly, the "real" enemy of gaming, is ourselves
if nobody bought horse armor, shitty dlc would have died almost overnight
if we stood firm and nobody bought games from companies that were bad with layoffs, it would be solved
we're the idiots supporting awful business practices, we are the ones enouraging it

TiredGamer17d ago

I think the reality that we don't want to convince ourselves of is that without the rise of "horse armor" and DLC, game budgets would have essentially stagnated (smaller teams/smaller games), or game prices would have risen much more dramatically than they have. There was an incessant drive for bigger worlds, infinite detail, and hundreds of hours of "gameplay" over the last two decades, that while perhaps a natural evolution of things, needed a suitable funding stream to accomplish.

HyperMoused16d ago

What...CEOs make tens of millions and that doesnt include SLT etc etc...we now have multiple editions of games, in game currency, MT's, battle passes.....and what do we get..worse game than what was coming out 20 years ago....dont drink the cool aid, its this nickel and dime crap that is absolutely leading us to gaming destruction.

senorfartcushion17d ago

This is the worst possible answer to this conundrum. Blaming the masses is blaming the only people who are constantly “told” to buy.

Consumers are the only ones not to blame here. People make their own choices all the time. Disney movies are bombing and DEInis being blamed. Has that been enough to put Disney out of business? No and it never will.

Christopher17d ago

Disagree. Businesses are able to do what they do because people are bad consumers and don't think critically about purchases. Disney got away with doing shit stuff for years and it's just the last year where people got tired of it. It's not like it didn't work for 5 years or so for Disney to do the things they've done. They'll just move onto another way to get people to see movies and it will be just as bad but more profitable until people wake up and realize it.

TiredGamer17d ago

Consumerism drives business behavior. It's not so much "blaming" as it is observing behavior. The point I'm making is that the direction that games have gone are driven by the spending. Consumers are spending on DLC and they are driving the expectation of more glitz and padded out (lengthier) games. If they continue to pay, they will continue to drive that direction until a threshold is reached that forces a change in behavior.

senorfartcushion17d ago

Corporate advertising is the most powerful force on the planet.

This is N4G for god sake, every day there are arguments between people who are Team Xbox and Team PlayStation because they’ve been convinced that having an identity built on paying money to Sony and Microsoft matters more than having one as individual gamers who can play whatever they want.

And THEN we get to the corporate advertising part: to play whatever you want is to sink MORE into the advertising pits, making it so that you can more than one specific product.

jambola17d ago

ah you're right
they were told to buy it, it's clearly impossible to avoid that
if enough people stopped supporting, it would stop
disney not stopping would only be because enough people didn't stop

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victorMaje17d ago

Agreed. I’ve been saying for years, announce you won’t be buying the upcoming game because of the practices of the previous game, then you only have to stick to your guns once, see how quickly things change for the better.

We have to unite in what we shouldn’t purchase.

jambola17d ago

just imagine a world, fifa came out worse, nobody buys the next one until they see proof it's better and stick to it
or games being forced online for single player and nobody buys it
things would change so fast

HyperMoused16d ago

Just like scooby doo, you have shown us the real monsters are us

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Inverno17d ago

Greed and greedy people have and always will be the main issue for everything wrong in the world. Everything is a product to be exploited for monetary gain. Even when there are things that could help progress us along for the sake of making our lives easier that thing must be exploited for monetary gains. Anything that tells you otherwise is propaganda to make you complicit.

coolfool17d ago

I've never thought "DEI" (although the way most people use it doesn't match it's real definition) is the problem with games. Good games have continued to be good when they have a diverse cast, and likewise, bad games have continued to be bad. There isn't a credible example I've seen where a diverse cast has been the direct cause of a game being bad.

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I subscribed to this not knowing about how some of the proceeds go to St. Judes.

Really cool that some of the money goes there.

Even if people don't subscribe to the mag, it might bring people to the charity.

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One of the main charities my wife and I donate to. They help a lot of children and being a parent of 5 children I can’t imagine what those parents go through. I’ll probably get a sub to GI because of St Jude and of course because I love video games.

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