A concerned parent has apparently taken to the official 360 forums, looking for an explanation as to why his son had been banned from Xbox Live until the Year of our Lord, 9999. Microsoft was only too happy to oblige.
i thought this was gonna be one of those articles where someone gets wrongfully banned again HA HA HA HA that made me laugh i wonder what the dad said to the kid after he found that out
I know, I'm not even sure that I would be mad at him or not lol!
Weird, that never got me banned on Uno. Or that nasty fat b1tch that lays around in her bed and just lets the xbox play her hands for her.
Daddy must be proud
LOL, that must have been an interesting read for the parent. ...and this is why pedobear loves UNO.
Pedobear isnt into boys.
... he was "exposed" for glitching on Modern Warfare 2. Nobody ever gets away with that. Automatic ban for life. /s
I doubt it was the dad. It was probably the kid pretending to be his dad so he would be taken seriously and wouldn't feel embarrassed. I don't like many of MS' policies but I'm loving this. HOpefully the other jerks out there take notice and cut the crap.
Prince Charles really needs to keep his boys under control better
No birthday cake for him.
This thread has informed me that not having anything to do with xbox live was indeed the correct decision.
Does Microsoft send you a prorated refund?
@Persistantthug: It's forfeited per the ToS/EULA when you sign up for XBox LIVE.
That's what I meant when I was saying TOS/T&C's/etc are not necessarily the be all end all. Just because a company writes and makes up "rules", doesn't make it just or legal in a court of law. MS can legally and justfully kick off anyone they want....but all remaining monies MUST be returned or there is risk said company can defraud its customers. By the way, I'm channeling the PS3 Other OS thing and I know its a total different scenereo, but the TOS thing is what I'm getting at. It isn't necessarily legal
Nope, completely legal. When you subscribe you agree to the terms. It's an agreement at the point of sale, which is completely legal. This is the exact same thing that happens with MMOs. If you get banned from World of Warcraft in the first month of your yearly subscription... too bad.
What if said company tells you you have to jump up and down and bark like a dog and its in the TOS/T&C's? What if a company tells you, you have to lick your keyboard, but you can't lick the WASD buttons, or your kicked...and its in the TOS? No offense, but there are alot of misguided people that seem to think everything that's signed or made up and/or proposed by whatever said company is LEGAL and JUST.....it's not. I guaranty if that got challenged in California, Microsoft would lose. Kicking off is fine...but keeping paid money is not regardless of what rule Microsoft "made up".
It's perfectly allowed within contract law. If you violate the terms of the agreement, the contract is terminated according to the stipulated terms. Google "Breach of Contract".
It's not just because they say so and, technically, you can put tons of stuff in contracts that don't make sense and it would still be valid. But, if it's a contract about the limitations of the sale being made, completely legal as long as it doesn't break any state or federal laws in which the agreement is being made. You saying they're making it up is the same as saying it's legal to copy software and movies and give them to your friends. I mean, it doesn't matter just because they make up their own rules, right?
ToS is a legally binding contract written up by all the MS lawyers. You press agree, it's legally binding. Everything in there is legal, though probably not always fair but that's not the point. You break the ToS, all your rights are null and void. If you feel it's not legal, talk to a lawyer and you'll quickly find that it is in fact legal. Unless it's not. In which case yay for you, you're gonna sue a company. I have a cousin that specializes in that. PM me if you want his number. But this kid has no case.
If you sign up with Cellular phone internet service, there is a data usage cap. If you go over the usage 3 times, they kick you off and cancel service...suspended service, and its all in the T&C and TOS. (Most people go over because they are using their cell phones as modems, which is against TOS.) AT&T they can kick off anytime they want, but California Law mandates they return any money back to customer, usually in a check. Same principle here. Microsoft keeping money is against the law...you can't do that...you can't keep money for services NOT rendered and I don't care how many "contracts" you sign.
You should change your name to PersisentIdiot. Not ONLY is the XBL ToS PERFECTLY LEGAL....as well as the banning....the PREMISE of the actions by MS, in this case, would be held up in ANY COURT OF LAW. Maybe you're too dense to realize it, but exposing yourself in a public forum is a crime BY ITSELF. Trust me...the parents aren't dumb enough to fight this, even if you are. And yes....I corrected the spelling in your name as well. Just one more thing that shows your ignorance.
You just gave an example of what I exactly said, which is they are fine as long as they don't break any state or federal law. In this case it's specifically a law regarding early cancellation of cell phone subscriptions. Look up the term severability. It'll teach you that if one element becomes invalid due to an existing or new law, the rest still holds true. But, as far as LIVE and MMO Subscriptions, there are no such laws in existence... yet...
The cellular thing is more of a PUC (Public utilities Commision) issue and is more strongly monitored and enforced. But MMO's and video games, obviously, it is not....its hardly even taken seriously. But if this was to come forth before practically any California judge, it would be easy to side on behalf of the kid here (For the MONEY only). @Gamer7l You had to come in a ruin a good adult debate/discussion by calling me names and being obnoxious. Why? The reason you have 2 bubbles is because you can't have a civil discussion without doing what you just did. Hopefully, soon you'll have 1 LESS bubble until you learn better. Consider me a start to that 1 bubble status.
Sorry, son...you can't have an "adult discussion", when you don't know what the hell you're talking about to begin with. Does it not seem funny to you, that you are the ONLY ONE who thinks MS is in the wrong here? Give it up, and try sticking to topics you actually know SOMETHING about, in the future.
At any rate, Microsoft wasn't wrong in kicking the kid off, nor were they wrong for banning him for life. Hell, I applaud them for doing so... But the kid needs to be sent his money. "Oh...you've pissed us off and done something you don't like...WE GET TO KEEP YOUR MONEY". Obviously that is ethically wrong, and brought before a decent judge, it would be considered illegal.
eh? and its bill gates not william
@above you serious? Bill is short for William O__o
Well as stupid as that guy was, does he beat the quintessential PS3 fan?
I saw this a few days ago in the forums and found it very amusing. What do you say after that lol. Guess Daddy/Mommy were left speechless lol
Haha I sense an awkward conversation coming up.
If the kid was doing that; he deserves to be banned for good from the service.
Exposing himself as in showing his face or exposing himself as in "exposing" himself?
What do you think xD
True, but hat's wrong in my book since if he's old enough to use xbox live he obviously knows what he's doing, he could be in his teens or even a adult for all we know, it just said my son, no mention of age was brought up. It's like teenagers that take nudes of themselves with that weird sexting thing and get charged with child pornography, they were old enough to know what they were doing and did it, yes it's weird but they shouldn't be charged for it. I find it odd that you can consent to have sex at 16 but if you consent for a picture to be taken by someone else (or you) they call it child porn.
I agree with your comment, but it is a really sticky situation with the age of consent vs. child porn thing. Age of consent is considered to be a States rights issue (states can actually decide what that age is and it is different from state to state). However, the child porn thing will fall under a blanket of both Federal and State laws. These hinge on things such as the age of the "child" when the image was taken, distribution vs. possession, etc. As I said...STICKY. That being said, since most teens aren't lawyers I would say that child porn charges are pretty strong for "sexting", but they are reactionary to a new threat. Hopefully, the prosecutors will find another (less stringent) charge so that we don't have a generation of labeled sex offenders who happened to have made a STUPID mistake when they were young and naive.
Bots, listen to me. That girl you heard on the other side of the microphone was a 11 year old boy, the same as you. The next time you decide to show your cash and prizes, think about service your mommy paid $50 a year for. Poor bots.
I get so tired of sonyfans pretending there are no little brats on PSN. remember voice chat being quickly turned off in Home after launch? remember why? if XBL is worse than PSN then why are there so many sonyfan hypocrite a-holes on n4g??
too many kids, too many rules, too many stupid people
i believe it is because there is a higher chance of running into those annoying kids on Live, also that there are more sony fanboys on this site.
Another example of great parenting. I'm just waiting for the parents to blame GTA or some other game.
bet pedos are mad cause they missed out lol
@ BeaArthur I've got great parents, but as a kid, I was still did childish things.
Did you expose yourself over a webcam? I don't think I would call this childish. A childish act is playing pranks or telling inappropriate jokes, this is actually a crime.
Uno.. The Chatroulette of the Xbox 360.
wanna play uno? cough cough
Gee, thanks for the offer, pal.
Way to raise a degenerate kid, yay !!
Who the F*ck are you?!?!
Smoke Out. Ironically.
For making online gaming a safer place :)
Yeah because only on xbox can you access nudity on web cams. s/c
Where men are men... Women are men... and children are COPS. Naked cops... apparently...
Still i find it baffling to ban someone without even a private notice , be it on the console or emails , about the reasons of the ban . Especially for a paid service . Imagine you left your console on , and say a kid in the house does somthing stupid with you none the wiser , and you get a ban without a shred of explanation ... Sure some fault would lies on you for letting it unsupervised , but people arent flawless robots ... there just should be a notice . Same goes for psn if they use the same banning system and attitude
I agree. All bans in general should at least give an explanation. I had one account banned from Kotaku and I still have no idea what I was banned for. Pro Sony? Controversial comment? What's stopping anyone from repeating the same mistake if they don't know what their mistake was in the first place.
I think the ban notice says something like "please contact XBL support for details", or something like that.
Well exposing himself would be considered child pornography.
Everyone goes through puberty. This is how this kid handled it... >.>
WOW! That was pure epic....... I got the chills when i read the end it was like a horror movie that has a cliffhanger ending.
I love that moderator - he give it to you straight - no oh you should know what you did with redirect forum posts.
Wow your gamerscore was over 90,000 ahhh what a shame. You gotta start all over. It's alright another $50, 2 years, and a new gamertag and you'll be good to go. As Nelson Muntz would say ha ha.
What's uno? Oh, never mind. The card game uno... Okay...
No more virtual sex party's?Shame on you M$!
exposing? thats the same as showing. What is this? now people are ashamed of "exposing" their body. Its a kid i know... the mod should have specified if it was something sexual. if so, he deserves the bann.
LOL! he should've said....."is there anything else i can help you with?"
i thought these kids only played MW2 and Halo...I was wrong...
i might be in the minority here, but did they have to ban the kid forever? i mean, this seems more like they were trying to get a point across than actual punishment. i mean, that punishment doesnt nearly fit the crime, i think the kid would have seen the error in his ways after a year or so but jeesh. M$ will never know if hes changed his ways...
@boon you dont believe the punishment fits the crime? really? I'm really glad you're not a lawyer. What this kid did is called child pornography, as well as indecent exposure. The kid is going to be lucky to escape prison. Hmmmm....yeh, poor kid wont get to play on his xbox live anymore.boohoo.