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Why does game storytelling have such low standards?

Gamecritics writes: "Storytelling is an art form in and of itself, just like painting or music. And of all the art forms that comprise video games, story is often at the low end on the totem of importance. This is perfectly acceptable to me-games are more often than not held up by mechanical and/or aesthetic components, leaving the story as icing on the cake. However, this does not mean that any game that even attempts to have a deep and/or dynamic story can automatically be heralded as storytelling mastery. To do so belittles the craft. You could have a fantastic cake that gets topped with shit, and while the cake itself might be a perfectly fine baked good, you still need to contend with the fact that there is shit on your cake."

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Light Yagami5541d ago

"Metal Gear Solid 4 (MGS4) is the absolute grandaddy of narrative train wrecks."

So true.

Das_Bastardion5541d ago

So true...

On topic: I can't believe the motherfvcker who wrote this sh!t called MGS4 like that and didn't have the balls to say the truth about Halo...

People like him should be banned from the Internet forever... I can't begin to understand how someone can be THAT motherfvcking retardad, MGS4 is a Masterpiece of gaming in all its forms.

God I wish I had the power to break hand bones with my thoughts

avengers19785541d ago

The truth is everything has already been done a thousand times. Movies, tv shows, and books have had years and years to get to all the good stories they have. Video games are at a disadvantage because there is no more orginallity.

SolidAhmed5541d ago

i wish that he mentioned Shadow of the colossus, due to the perfection of the story despite the minimum plot.

this game is a masterpiece because it drive your emotion with little to say.

-Alpha5541d ago (Edited 5541d ago )

Too bad they are making a movie on it. Stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Just thinking of Shadow of the Colossus drives my head in awe. It's one of those games you simply must play for defining this industry.

presto7175541d ago (Edited 5541d ago )

Cuz I cant understand what the f**k the author thinks he's saying.

The entire time I was playing MGS4 I was thinking to myself just how much of a masterpiece it was. I was moved when Eva/Big Mama was shot, and that split screen part towards the end. The game just reeked of quality. Masterpiece.

Then some unknown guy takes 30 minutes to type up sh*t about the game....

-Alpha5541d ago

I know I'm like a year late, but damn man, spoilers! I was going to get around to it it too lol.

Darkfocus5541d ago

Firstly MGS4 was a masterpiece that wrapped up just about every element of the story from previous games perfectly and secondly has no one played system shock 2? I always see people praise bioshock for it's story but it's story has been done before.Sure the settings different(it was a spaceship in SS2) but it has the exact same plot and the same method of telling the back-story through audio logs in fact it even has the same plot twist halfway through.

ABizzel15541d ago

Because developers come up with the ideas for their games, and publishers don't want to pay professional writers to write a script so the leave it to the developers.

Stop being cheap. Writers are the most important thing to the entertainment industry they need to be treated and paid like it. Without writers there's no music, movie, or video games with moving cast and stories.

Without writers you get, online only games, Ninja Gaiden 2, and crappy movies that seem to be in abundance.

presto7175541d ago

Damn man!! My bad. I definately did not mean to spoil anything. I just assumed that everyone had... never mind.

I hope I didn't give away too much. You know, people heal from gunshot wounds all the time. And there will be many split screen parts throughout the game. There!!

rezzah5541d ago

Shadow of the Colossus is my favorite game of all time, the only game that makes me want to go back and play just for the experience of running around with Agro, or climbing the Colossus. A true epic experience.

Tony P5540d ago

I wholeheartedly agree that most game stories absolutely suck. But unfortunately this guy doesn't know what he's talking about half the time.

I'm no critic, but as an avid reader I find precious few games satisfy my need for good tale. They don't have to be as epic as Tolkien or as existential as Philip K, but they have to try. As it stands, I feel they don't or don't try hard enough. Games are far more comfortable embracing the lot of the summer blockbuster film: all show and no go.

ThanatosDMC5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

Guess he loved how deep the story of Gears was???

Anyway, it's fine at this point to talk openly about MGS4. It's several months old and if they havent played it then sucks to be them since you can grab the game for $20 now.

MARIA!!!

n to the b5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

whatever. this guy thinks the storytelling in Dragon Age: Origins was top-notch?? I stopped reading when I got to that part.

@ThanatosDMC "MARIA!!!" lol. actually that part came across okay IMO; or at least better than I was expecting from gears2. the parts that bothered me were the little 'non-story' in-game bits of dialogue from Dom immediately following that climax. he just goes back to chirping his stupid sidekick BS like nothing happened, for the most part.

Epic hired 'pro' writers for gears2 story. I'm betting the in-game bits of dialogue were just done by the devs.

in fact, I watched thru the entire Fallout3 credits and Bethesda hands off most of the side-quest/minor dialogue to another team. that team sucks! people with a brain - like, say, me - get pulled out of the experience when we're suddenly hit with cr@ppy writing in a diff style. wish games weren't made like this!

vickers5005540d ago

MGS4's story was good for a games story, but was about as deep and intriguing as a b movie action flick.

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JonnyBigBoss5541d ago

MGS4 a train-wreck?

I've been playing games my whole life and the MGS series, particularly MGS3 and MGS4, have the best stories I've personally experienced. This article is filled with arbitrary, opinionated sentences.

Rikitatsu5541d ago

MGS4 was a train-wreck, but the rest of the main series is just great if not legendary.

Slimshadyn5541d ago (Edited 5541d ago )

Really? I mean I know it isn't exactly simple but a train wreck. MGS is one of the few series that if you miss one of the games then you won't get the same feeling as someone who has played 1-4. Playing MGS4 without playing the other ones would be a complete train wreck in the story department but if you've played the other ones you will have a very different view. Plus the future MGS games will continue adding to and completing the story. MGS's story isn't meant just for enjoyment, its there for you to have something to think about while enjoying it.

Sarcasm5541d ago

"MGS4 was a train-wreck, but the rest of the main series is just great if not legendary."

This is coming from the guy that probably has a shrine of Bayonetta in his room.

Move along folks, nothing to see here.

theEnemy5541d ago

It must have been fun talking sh1t about a game you haven't played yet..

iamtehpwn5541d ago

And while I wasn't able to fully comprehend the plot, I was able to make a lot of sense of it.

BlackCountryBob5541d ago

A little unfair on MGS4 IMHO, sure it is a little obscure but I approached it as being a piece of Japanese storytelling and I found it no more obscure than any manga or JRPG I have ever played.

I don't understand why so many people seem to think that if a game has guns and realistic style graphics it is automatically tied to western Hollywood narrative structure.

Also, I notice Halo 2 is very much omitted from the list, I loved the first game but the story of H2 was a total train wreck for me. Modern Warfare 2 also had a very poor story IMO filled with plot holes, very much inferior to the original modern warfare game.

bjornbear5541d ago

you don't understand Kojima, and you don't understand MGS

it isn't conventional story telling, but it didn't bother me one bit =)

Yes_25540d ago

I wouldnt say MGS4 was a 'train wreck'. The story was absolutely superb.

That's not to say it wouldnt have beneffited from a better editor, however.

JackBNimble5540d ago (Edited 5540d ago )

I have been a MGS fan from the begining up until MGS4 . I to thought the story was sh!t , infact I thought it was so bad I couldn't finish the game.

Nikuma5540d ago

I'm a huge MGS fanboy, and while I enjoyed MGS4 it just didn't do it for me the way the other MGS games did. Something about it was just off.

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ApocalypseShadow5541d ago (Edited 5541d ago )

and it usually has a ps3 EXCLUSIVE GAME as the picture.

most hyped?why.....let's put a picture of killzone2.and not halo.

doesn't "refine" action games?why...let's put uncharted 2 as a picture.and not a picture of gears.

long development time?should we put too human or alan wake?nope....let's put a picture of gt5.

graphics overhyped?can't put a wii or 360 game there.let's put (insert ps3 exclusive here)

too much story(mgs)?too short(heavenly sword)?too much **variety**(ratchet and clank)?too many online in one game(mag)?too much free online?too many features(ps3)?too many freebees(mods,themes,DD)?too much space(bluray)?too much future proofing(pseye,3D,interchangea ble HDD)?

the list goes on and on.if it's **TOO SOMETHING**,it's usually sony related.

IGNORE and continue gaming.i recommend demon souls or gow3 while you are IGNORING.like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

or if you want to **politely** ignore bullsh!t articles like this,then use these tactics:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

i like the food and beverage one myself.

Anorexorcist5541d ago (Edited 5541d ago )

That headline for this article would have fit more appropriately with an accompanying Halo 3 or Halo: ODST screenshot, not a MGS4 screenshot.

This author clearly isn't a person who has followed the MGS property over the years. Anyone who has enjoyed the MG IP over the numerous past generations, NES to PSOne to PS2, would see this author's idiocy in claiming MGS4 was "hamstrung" by the plot developments in previous entries in the series. MGS4 was an incredible climax to a IP that is widely considered to be a virtuoso in theatrical story gaming.

ApocalypseShadow5541d ago

if it's a busted article,it's a ps3 exclusive game and a ps3 exclusive pictured to the right.

i could pick crackdown for having a LACK of storyline.or gears 2 for trying to get you emotional and failing.

yup.like you said.if there is complaining or bashing to be done,let's go after that ps3 game to get hits and earn some site revenue.

this time it happens to be the one game that NEVER RELEASED on 360.but was rumored for months and months and months.even when kojima said:

"NO!""YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT!"......or something like that but "polite."

so the bashing continues.

TheBand1t5541d ago

Says the guy who couldn't stop bleeding when ODST got crap scores.

Rainstorm815541d ago

The part where Dom is crying about maria (i think thats her name) That has to be the worst storytelling and voice acting combination ive seen in a top tier title.

Hey Halo now that was crying....or at least it was supposed to be it sounded like a 15 yr old did it in his basement and put it on youtube.

DatNJDom815541d ago

I'm glad I'm not the only person noticing the "media" always bashing anything PS3 related while the 360 get a free pass. I'll repeat the obvious, the western media (US UK mostly) wants PS3 to fail. They want the western system to win. Funny thing is that soooooo many people are eating from microsoft's "bullsh!t cake" as the "author/reporter" so elequently puts it. It's not a conspiracy, it is what it is. Bubbles for you sir.

kaveti66165540d ago

Maybe it's because some PS3 fanboys say that the PS3 has mature games for mature gamers. So, you guys are still getting punished from the arrogance of the past. 360 fanboys are just stupid, but their arguments about 360 game stories usually center on the games being really fun and graphically great (we know that the second part is probably not true).

David Jaffe himself said that while the Metal Gear Solid series had a great story, it wouldn't translate well into film because it is a hamfisted, and somewhat cheesy story.

I agree with him.

And speaking of characters, while we may agree that both the Master Chief and Sevchenko from KZ2 are generic soldier types, it seems that Master Chief has become a very memorable icon in gaming. I don't know why, but he has, and I criticize Guerrilla Games for not having a more memorable character in KZ2, besides Rico, which everyone hates and doesn't want him to be in the next game.

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spektical5541d ago

mgs4 a train wreck?... obviously we got some fanboy hate here.

MGS4 has a superb storyline with a plot full of emotion, realization, and betrayal. Obviously this person just wants hits.

SAFARI5541d ago

The guy that wrote the article bash another great game (HL2) but nobody gives a damn cos he bashed their precious MGS4, OMG PS3 EXCLUSIVE THE INDUSTRY DOES THIS SH!T FOR MONEY JUST TO HATE SONY OMG.

Take a deep breath and look at yourself, really? I think by now most of the industry loves ps3 and you guys still believe its 2006.

I PERSONALLY think that the Half Life francise is just as good and just as big as the Metal Gear Solid series, they are both night and day different from each other (genre, storytelling, platform) but both of them got the most amazing game universe that I have ever been in.

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The Real Enemy of Gaming Isn’t DEI. It’s the CEO

From Horse Armor to Mass Layoffs: The Price of Greed in Gaming. Inside the decades-long war on game workers and the players who defend them.

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jambola9d ago

maybe a real enemy is people who use terms like "the real enemy"
there can be more than 1 bad thing, t's not like a kids show with 1 big bad

senorfartcushion7d ago

This is very much a “dummy who volunteers themselves to the middle” comment.

The real enemy is a common phrase, people use it all the time.

Calm down.

jambola7d ago

i'm very calm
you seem very upset however

Notellin7d ago

You don't seem calm at all. Don't take this so seriously, you seem desperate responding to others defending your opinion that lacks any value or critical thought.

jambola6d ago

stop projecting
i'm not desperately dong anything, i'm tapping at keys on my keyboard bud

PapaBop6d ago

It's not like kids show with one bad guy? I present to you.. Bobby Kotick

ABizzel16d ago (Edited 6d ago )

DEI was never the problem and it was an ignorant take to begin with.

DEI is why games like Kena Bridge of Spirits, South of Midnight, and Ghost of Tsushima exist.

DEI is why we have a huge resurgence in Japanese, Chineses, and Korean developers producing games like Stellar Blade, Black Myth, and why Nintendo & Sony exist.

DEI is why more and more games have HUGE accessibility options with both Sony and MS fully behind this.

DEI was never a bad thing, the entire purpose of DEI is representation of all people, genders, disabilities, etc…

The problem was people used DEI as a default derogatory term to describe what they believed was forced representation, which allowed colorist, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, and xenophobic fools to run away with the negative DEI narrative.

jambola6d ago

you don't get to decide other people's motivations
sorry to break it to you

ABizzel15d ago (Edited 5d ago )

To each their own, however, nothing you said invalidates why some people take offense to DEI incorrectly.

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Sciurus_vulgaris9d ago

Executives seem to often have an obsession with perpetual revenue growth. There is always a finite amount of consumers for a product regardless of growth. Additionally, over investment is another serious issue in gaming.

Killer2020UK7d ago

The fact that they also rarely have any real expertise in game development compounds things. They'll look at what's been successful elsewhere, lack the knowledge to properly understand why they have been successful and then force a team to 'reproduce' their badly interpreted idea of that success.

We see it so often with sequels to games that were successful too. The team are left well alone, they have a break through hit and all of sudden the money men descend on the IP and completely railroad the dev team's ideas. Usually winds up being 'make the same game but MORE'

LoveSpuds7d ago

This is true throughout all of the corporate and public sector organisations to be honest. CEO's generally move amongst the corporate world without any need to have experience of a particular industry, they simply need to rely on their senior leadership credentials. A CEO of a retail giant will just as easily transition to a CEO role in the energy sector for example.

Not defending CEOs here to be clear, I think it's a huge part of the reason the western world is so fucked up. CEOs don't need to care about the sector they work in, in fact it's better if they don't care if they want to screw everyone to make profits.

GhostScholar7d ago

Companies don’t hire executives to break even. If the goal is breaking even then why start the company in the first place.

Soy7d ago

That's understood; it's getting record profits and expecting to always beat those record profits, and seeing anything less as a total failure. Then they lay people off and raise prices to reach those record profit levels again, just to sate shareholders. It's setting expectations way too high just to spike share prices, then inevitably falling short. It's feeling entitled to being more successful than everyone else. It's the CEOs doing all this to boost their own bonuses.

ABizzel16d ago

Growth benefits the company’s profits and therefore the company’s stock if publicly traded, which pleases the shareholders making them more and more rich, which is why Growth is always at the forefront of the vast majority of any publicly traded company.

More growth = More Money and the people at the top want all the money they can get. I can’t really blame them anyone would love to see their profits go from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, to multi-millions it’s almost like a gambling addiction.

But it also goes to show someone how morals can go out the window for a lot of these people, and how amazing some CEOs are when they catch this early and provide a balance solution that takes complete care of their employees across the board while keeping the business sustainable IE: Insomniac Games ALWAYS on the best places to work list. The rest of the industry could learn.

jambola9d ago

honestly, the "real" enemy of gaming, is ourselves
if nobody bought horse armor, shitty dlc would have died almost overnight
if we stood firm and nobody bought games from companies that were bad with layoffs, it would be solved
we're the idiots supporting awful business practices, we are the ones enouraging it

TiredGamer7d ago

I think the reality that we don't want to convince ourselves of is that without the rise of "horse armor" and DLC, game budgets would have essentially stagnated (smaller teams/smaller games), or game prices would have risen much more dramatically than they have. There was an incessant drive for bigger worlds, infinite detail, and hundreds of hours of "gameplay" over the last two decades, that while perhaps a natural evolution of things, needed a suitable funding stream to accomplish.

HyperMoused7d ago

What...CEOs make tens of millions and that doesnt include SLT etc etc...we now have multiple editions of games, in game currency, MT's, battle passes.....and what do we get..worse game than what was coming out 20 years ago....dont drink the cool aid, its this nickel and dime crap that is absolutely leading us to gaming destruction.

senorfartcushion7d ago

This is the worst possible answer to this conundrum. Blaming the masses is blaming the only people who are constantly “told” to buy.

Consumers are the only ones not to blame here. People make their own choices all the time. Disney movies are bombing and DEInis being blamed. Has that been enough to put Disney out of business? No and it never will.

Christopher7d ago

Disagree. Businesses are able to do what they do because people are bad consumers and don't think critically about purchases. Disney got away with doing shit stuff for years and it's just the last year where people got tired of it. It's not like it didn't work for 5 years or so for Disney to do the things they've done. They'll just move onto another way to get people to see movies and it will be just as bad but more profitable until people wake up and realize it.

TiredGamer7d ago

Consumerism drives business behavior. It's not so much "blaming" as it is observing behavior. The point I'm making is that the direction that games have gone are driven by the spending. Consumers are spending on DLC and they are driving the expectation of more glitz and padded out (lengthier) games. If they continue to pay, they will continue to drive that direction until a threshold is reached that forces a change in behavior.

senorfartcushion7d ago

Corporate advertising is the most powerful force on the planet.

This is N4G for god sake, every day there are arguments between people who are Team Xbox and Team PlayStation because they’ve been convinced that having an identity built on paying money to Sony and Microsoft matters more than having one as individual gamers who can play whatever they want.

And THEN we get to the corporate advertising part: to play whatever you want is to sink MORE into the advertising pits, making it so that you can more than one specific product.

jambola7d ago

ah you're right
they were told to buy it, it's clearly impossible to avoid that
if enough people stopped supporting, it would stop
disney not stopping would only be because enough people didn't stop

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victorMaje7d ago

Agreed. I’ve been saying for years, announce you won’t be buying the upcoming game because of the practices of the previous game, then you only have to stick to your guns once, see how quickly things change for the better.

We have to unite in what we shouldn’t purchase.

jambola7d ago

just imagine a world, fifa came out worse, nobody buys the next one until they see proof it's better and stick to it
or games being forced online for single player and nobody buys it
things would change so fast

HyperMoused7d ago

Just like scooby doo, you have shown us the real monsters are us

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Inverno7d ago

Greed and greedy people have and always will be the main issue for everything wrong in the world. Everything is a product to be exploited for monetary gain. Even when there are things that could help progress us along for the sake of making our lives easier that thing must be exploited for monetary gains. Anything that tells you otherwise is propaganda to make you complicit.

coolfool7d ago

I've never thought "DEI" (although the way most people use it doesn't match it's real definition) is the problem with games. Good games have continued to be good when they have a diverse cast, and likewise, bad games have continued to be bad. There isn't a credible example I've seen where a diverse cast has been the direct cause of a game being bad.

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I subscribed to this not knowing about how some of the proceeds go to St. Judes.

Really cool that some of the money goes there.

Even if people don't subscribe to the mag, it might bring people to the charity.

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One of the main charities my wife and I donate to. They help a lot of children and being a parent of 5 children I can’t imagine what those parents go through. I’ll probably get a sub to GI because of St Jude and of course because I love video games.

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