Sony Santa Monica's Bruno Velazquez has said the developer hasn't reached full potential, when it comes to utilising the PlayStation 3's power.
Looks like its back to the drawing board for Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Guerrilla games, Kojima Prod.. list goes on... You guys were too late to the party with all your first hand research and engine development from sony themselves. Buncha losers. Do I need to put a /s ?
You know, it's funny that only unreleased Xbox exclusives and multi plat games are supposed to look better than PS3 exclusives but when they release it's just another false alarm. First it was supposed to be Gears 2- false alarm and then it was supposed to be Ninja Blade- false alarm and then it was supposed to be Forza 3- false alarm and then it was supposed to be Mass Effect 2- false alarm and then it was supposed to be Metro 2033- false alarm and then it was supposed to be Splinter Cell- false alarm and now it's supposed to be Alan Wake- pending and now it's supposed to be Halo Reach- pending and now it's supposed to be Crysis 2- pending
Yes, you needed to put the /s. To be fair your sarcasm was quite subtle.
Santa Monica stop talking and GET TO WORK! GOW3 was spectacular and if you are telling me you can do better? Prove it because I need me some more SM goodness on my PS3 as soon as humanly possible!
I dont think we have seen ACTUAL running video gameplay for Cysis 2 for PS3 have we ? I REALLY doubt they will get Crysis 2 to look as amazing as Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2 on PS3 - obviously they will on PC but were not talking about that. To me, Killzone 2 has the best atmosphere/environmental effects/basically Epic amount of stuff onscreen at 1 time on any PS3 game to date.
11 Disagrees, you Should Put that ->[ /S ]<- from the Beginning... lol
I think this is rather apparent after the countless times I read "GOW uses 50%...." None of the consoles have been fully utilised and never will, they'll continue to refine software to squeeze a little more out until the next gen arrives and the big gun developers focus all their attention on those.
while the little guys still practice on ps3 catching up to the big guys and then surpassing them after a few years
You can't "max" a console, new software, optimisations, and ideas mean there is always some potential for improvement. Look at PS2 for example.
ps2 is still making games the last scheduled game for ps2 is on september first wheres the xbox at oh yeah they stopped after 5 years and released the 360
Translation: We're going to improve our game engine to use the resources better, just like we did with the PS2. The hardware has already reached its cap, but we can learn to use it better so we can provide better looking and more entertaining games.
I think it's nonsense to think you can tap at infinitum any hardware only improving and optimizing your engine, the hardware can get you so far. Eventually you will reach a plateu and "improvements" in the engine will be unnoticeable. GoW2 was claimed to be the top of PS2 prowess by SCEA itself. I bet SSM could have tried to refine even further their PS2 engine, but it wouldn't made any real impact in the overall look of the game.
news on my ps3 just keeps getting better and better.
And I'm sure they'll get it!
SSM did an incredible job with GoW3. Incredible graphics and breathtaking scale. Unparalleled. I'm very sad to learn they had to cut some stuff out of the game to meet deadlines. Sometimes deadlines got to be broken in order to perfect the product. Lets see what SSM have in the works. Anything from them will be DAY ONE for me. If they say the PS3 can give more I believe them.
Because of DVD. Blu-ray holds everything, no matter what the deadline is. Stop lying to these people.
are you fooling around? Raztad is not lying or something like that, the developers said they had to change the ending form what was originally planned (apparently a few titans on screen was the original idea) because they understood it was going to take to much time and effort and the game has to be released eventually. Game development is not an utopic work with limitless resources, there are deadlines
Seriously. Stop lying about cutting content because of deadlines. It's obvious that they cut the content because it wouldn't fit on a BluRay. Except they didn't reach the max allowed data on a BluRay. Which then means. . . BluRay is worse than DVD because it can't even fit what it fits!! I'm so glad I took the time to think that out on my own. Wouldn't want to be a blind sheep, following the crowd to high definition.
You actually took that serious? Well look at the disagrees, looks like someone else did also, LOL. SOME of the n4g users never cease to amaze me.
at first i thought it was kidding, but after reading what i have read in this site common sense is not so common lol is it joking????
PS3 is a great console and even if the next game isn't GOW4 or a sequel to GOW with a different name im sure it will be a fantastic game by Santa Monica im thinking maybe Sony might let Santa Monica have the Heavenly Sword IP that would be rather interesting i think ^.^
The God of War series sucked in my opinion, and ps3 fanboys deny it because they have no other games to hype. Every single PS3 exclusive has been a FAIL. It's funny how only 2 360 exclusives kill every single ps3 exclusive. Halo & Gears are the only console sellers period, and it's a sad thing people actually support another console without those games, God Of war is a copy of Gears of war if you think about it. What other ideas does Sony have? They have to steal our ideas. It's pathetic.
You're not a big fanboy, are you? /s We all know that both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are brilliant consoles, and entertainment systems overall (not sarcasm).
You are officially tied with Zero007 for the STUPIDEST poster on this website.
How does that work out? God of War 1 first came out in early 2005, whilst Gears first came out in late 2006... Both great games, and I can't wait for the next instalments to both series, but ones a shooter whilst the other is an action adventure...
so butthurt you have to make up lies... now thats pathetic... with your alan wake sig lol did you preorder alan wake and get the exclusive solar powered flashlight?
Well Gears copied insomniac unannounced game if you think about it... OH NO WAIT, how can a game that came out BEFORE Gears copy gears? Another question, if PS3 fanboys are making God of War good how come god of war came out on PS2.
lol your and idiot alan wake is mediocore
Yes Sony Santa Monica stole a lot from Gears of War! Yeah, they built a time machine so that they could release it 1 and a half years before Gears of War! To avoid suspicion they masked the gameplay so it would be nothing like Gears of War! They didn't use the time machine to release the PS3 before the 360, avoiding suspicion yet again, ingenious! So ingenious and brilliant in fact, it almost doesn't make any sense what so ever! But you have found the truth haven't you. Brilliant! ... Not even worth the sarcasm tag. I have to stop visiting N4G for a long while, to regain faith in humanity.
Ooo another terrible argument to pull into tiny little pathetic pieces. "The God of War series sucked in my opinion, and ps3 fanboys deny it because they have no other games to hype." Ahh I think we have hyped up Uncharted, LBP, Heavy Rain, Resistance and KIllzone, or do they not count as games? "Every single PS3 exclusive has been a FAIL. It's funny how only 2 360 exclusives kill every single ps3 exclusive." And then Uncharted 2 has over 30 GOTY awards and is one of the most GOTY'd games ever. How come PS3 exclusives always seem to outscore 360 EXCLUSIVES. "Halo & Gears are the only console sellers period, and it's a sad thing people actually support another console without those games," Ahh you mean WERE. Everyone who wanted a 360 for Halo or Gears has most definetly gotten one by now. There have been around 3 Halo games and 2 Gears games since the 360's launch and I'm pretty sure if you wanted either one you'ld buy it then. " God Of war is a copy of Gears of war if you think about it." Ok well if God of War is like Gears, and God of War came out before gears, then that means Gears is a copy. Your logic failed so much just then you ended up actually putting down Gears. " What other ideas does Sony have? They have to steal our ideas. It's pathetic." OUR ideas, you mean game developers ideas, which Sony dosen't steal at all. Troll on dude, troll on.
most stupid comment i have read on this site.
killzone 3 (nuff said) resistance 3 infamous 2 jaffe's game agent gt5 (ultimate domination) modnation racers socom 4 ffvs13 syphon filter new ip's playstation move game's i really feel sorry for you xbots no games to play OH WELL :)
"Sony Santa Monica Expecting More Power From The PS3 In Future" Me and Every PS3 Owner too...
I also expect more SM
Good news, and before anybody comes on here and says something about Sony unlocking the eighth SPU for gaming, it's not going to happen. Sony disabled the eighth SPU to increase production yields. This means that a percentage of PS3s that were produced already had a malfunctioning SPU and Sony disabled an SPU from every PS3 with a fully functional Cell in order to have more PS3s that they would ship out. Sony can't enable the eighth SPU with a firmware update because some of the PS3s out there have Cells that had a malfunctioning eighth SPU straight off the production line. Sony won't enable the SPUs in the other PS3s because it would divide the userbase.
Thanks for clearing up in great detail what nobody was asking about.
Hey, don't ever underestimate the stupidity of the people on this site. I've seen them posting the rumor of the unlocked SPU time and time again. Just by looking at the title of the article, it seemed logical for me to think that someone would bring up the rumor again on this thread. So, bite me.
kaveti6616, There MIGHT be some PS3's with inoperable "8 working" SPE's...maybe not. Neither of us know that. But I do know this, who's to say that a game can't be made with a "system requirement" check...Something along the lines of a PC, where it not only scales to what the system has available for a PARTICULAR game. So basically, Naughty Dog uses the 8th SPE, but only for 1 game, UNCHARTED 3 (for example). The game runs it's own check and knows if the SPE will or will not be used, and if it does, it will scale upwards and do the full 1080p at 60 frames. If the 8th SPE goes unused, then its at 720p, and user can toggle it in the options screen. No offense kaveti6616, but sometimes it pays to think "outside of the box". Just sayin. take care.
Read the very last line of my first post. You can't think outside of the box with a closed-box console like the PS3. Just saying, maybe you should accept limitations. Take care.
Assuming the 8th SPE isn't laser cut after manufacturing, enabling it wouldn't increase the RSX's pixel fill rate. The 8 extra ROPs the RSX has on the other hand could enable 1080p gaming if they aren't laser cut and if the agreement with Nvidia allows it. Realistically though, there is probably a less than 1% chance that Sony can or will unlock disabled SPEs or ROPs.
1. You are GUESSING that there are PS3's with malfunctioning 8th SPE's. 2. Why couldn't NAUGHTY DOG (again as an example), create a game that uses the 8th SPE as AN OPTION ONLY. If it works and/or if you want it, you get 1080p, if not you get 720p. Why is this NOT possible? 3. I I inferred, the 8th SPE doesn't have to be mandatory nor does it have to remain ALWAYS on...just an option that toggles on/off at the users discretion and only for 1 PARTICULAR game(s). Tell me why this can't be done, kaveti6616? Just curious on your take/reason.
Holy crap! Where did this junk come from? Thank you for the tech lesson. In other news: Santa Monica Studios expects to better utilize the PS3 in the future.
what if the ylod is just weeding those systems out and then once the ylod comes to a new low release a fw update that unlocks the eigth spu but include it behind a feature that everyone wants and then boom more powerful system the blow back from the playstation 3s with broken 8th spu will be limited
My fault. I didn't explain very well. Okay, here goes. Sony actually released this information years ago, that they were deliberately disabling the eighth SPU of the CELL in all their units in order to increase production yields. This was done to save money because as you must remember, Sony was losing a lot of money on every PS3 when it launched. Here's an example. Let's say Sony is manufacturing 100 PS3s. They are going to yield 70 Cell processors that have all 8 SPUs full functioning. But the remaining Cells are going to have at least one SPU not functioning. In order to cut costs on production and increase production yields, Sony disabled one SPU each from the 70 Cells that were fully functioning in order to have a larger percentage of Cells that they would use for the PS3 and make them all equal. Instead of having a 70 percent production rate efficiency, Sony had a larger percentage (some of the 30 percent had more than one of the SPUs malfunctioning and those were dumped). And the reason why Sony isn't going to enable the eighth SPU is because, as I said, some of the PS3s that make up the userbase won't have the eighth SPU available. And you're asking why does that matter. And I'm shocked that I have to explain that. If you and I both paid the same price for a PS3, then why should you be able to have a more powerful PS3 than me, just because PS3 had a fully functioning Cell during production? Sony knows that this is not fair to the consumer. Sony coudl theoretically do it, but then the userbase is divided among people with 7-SPU consoles and people with 8-SPU consoles, and both versions would be sold at the same price because the retailers have no way of knowing which version they have.
1. I want to actually thank you for your first paragraph, because I've read the "yield" issue many many times on Wikipedia, but I never understood why or how turning off an SPE would create a better yield, but as soon as I read your 1st paragraph it all came to me....so thank you. 2. That said, I still don't agree with the bottom of your premise of "splitting the userbase" on the example I gave, because there actually is not split, certainly not of CRITICAL importance. Why? because we are talking about a very low percentage of PS3's that MAY NOT be able to function all 8 SPE's....MAYBE. And the very few that MIGHT not work...they still get UNCHARTED 3 at 720p. Everyone else, the majority and ALMOST everyone of the 90nm PS3's, everyone with 65nm fat PS3's, everyone with a SLIM 45nm PS3, they will get to OPTION TOGGLE 1080p. And then, were talking about an option that could happen 1 1/2 to 2 years from now. Are you saying that an option That's NOT possible in 2011 or 2012? Are you kidding? Lets just put it this way kaveti6616, NAUGHTY DOG, with them being SONY'S top developer.....I'm pretty sure what NAUGHTY DOG requests from Sony, NAUGHTY DOG will get. That's all.
Yeah, but chip size revisions didn't lead to graphical performance leaps or anything like that so I don't think you can count the inclusion of another SPU in the same category of revisions. And the price factor is an issue. The statistical percentage of units that had a malfunctioning 8th SPU was not released by Sony. So the number could be pretty high for all we know. I just don't think it's fair that someone can toggle 1080p just because they lucked out and happened to purchase a unit with a fully functional Cell. How would you feel if your PS3 was one of the units with a malfunctioning 8th SPU? And all your friends got the update to unlock their SPUs and the update didn't help you at all? You'd be pretty pissed wouldn't you? Because now you will feel that your PS3 is inferior to someone else's PS3 even though you paid the same exact price for the same model at the same time. That's how I would feel. Is it really necessary anyway? The PS3 is powerful enough anyway. Naughty Dog can just optimize their engine further for UC3. They don't need additional power, in my opinion.
On top of that, the most effected version of the Cell would likely be the oldest 90nm Phat PS3 and I would be pissed if I spent $600 on my PS3 and someone who paid $300 gets a better performing PS3!
SM delivered GoW3, that is prove they know exactly what they are doing on the PS3 platform and what is possible with further tunning of the engines and what not. PS3 future is as bright as ever, sweeeeeet! Edit At Below Then let the game speak for itself. Crytek delivered on very powerful PCs, now lets see what they do on a console, and not just the graphics, animation and other details counts too
Crytek will confirm what it means to be undisputed king of visuals,SM is great,but Crytek is other ballpark... http://www.incrysis.com/for... This guy was one of the few to be included in event in NY,heres impressions. "Crysis 2 on an early 360 dev build months away from release is, regardless of platform, flat out the most visually stunning game in history. Period. I cannot adequately describe the richness, depth of detail, and the pure sensation that you are in a Nanosuit 2 bustling about in New York City." @doom- "C2 360 dev build makes Crysis PC maxed look like Crysis made Far Cry look and it played at a much higher, smoother FPS. The load time was incredibly long, because the dev build is not optimized but once it got going it was phenomenal." Then one guy said if it really looks better then Crysis on high he will eat his gpu,answer? @"jay and zezeri- IDK what to say. You're gonna need plenty of ketchup, salt or sumthin..." Why do people doubt Crytek?They make the best engines.period.They have the biggest knowledge and they are 600 man in Crytek,they will make it amazing.
ok if you scale it that way shaman if they made the 360 look like crysis on high then damn they must of made crysis real which i dont believe seriously you have to be the dumbest - - - - to believe some bs like that let alone the fact that the post youre talking about was made in 2006 and was probably a pre rendered cut scene using high res models in video format
shaman you need to rein in your excitement man. No way is crysis 2 going to look as good as you say. The hardware limits it on consoles, expecially when multiplatform. It's all hyperboyle and when the game releases you will see. They haven't made a game on consoles yet and you say they are on another level? Making games isn't just all tech. you need a good collection of people and experience. Artist (all kinds), programmers, directors, etc. SM has been doing this on the PS platform for a long time and while Crysis developers made the very good looking pc game their experience on consoles is severely limited so my money's on SM. Truth be told Crytek's skill should be in question because Crysis 2 was real bad coding cause it wasn't optimized and almost no PC was able to run it until later on. I bet if SM had the resources on PC available to them them would stomp Crytek into the ground.
The ChavBots&ModBots WON'T get anymore Power out of the xBox 360 anymore!!! ;-D + The 'CryMeARiver Engine 3' erm Engine WON'T save you to!!! ;-D This is just the START of what the PS3 can do... ;-P
even the cryengine shows the ps3 is better lol, x360 is the weakest link
And theyll get it because they already know that there was more power to use. They stated already that they could of done more with GOW3.
With you alan wake the Fuk up avatar! Sounds too me you've been asleep as long as alan wake, tell the truth you were dropped on your head as a baby!?
I would like to see a new IP from Santa Monica. I don't care what genre, I just want to see if they can top the God of War franchise.
dont get me wrong gt 4 god of war 3 and uncharted are the best graphics ive seen on a console.... its kindov like payback to say in your face to the xbox fanboys that YES the ps3 can do alot... unlike at the beginning where the xbox crowd woudl compare every multiplatform game to the ps3. But having said that the ps3 is reachign its limitations also just look at the aging video card inside the machine.
That's cool. Thanks, bro. See you in six years, huh?
Best console I've ever owned!
But the best console I've ever owned is a toss up between the NES and the GENESIS. Good times.
haha it's true the ps3 has lots of power I am looking forwars to seeing more mindblowing experiences, I can't wait
God Of War 3 is a lot better then gears or Halo they can't even compare to God of wars 3 pre-rendered graphics/cutscenes hell 360 can't even handle Final Fantasy XIII in 720p, the future is PS3 with the CELL processor, the past is 360 so get it through your heads bots Halo Reach and Natal are dead on arrival.
PS3 has more power that God Of War 3 hasn't tapped into yet Sony's Santa Monica Studios are just beginning to show what they can do with Sony's PS3 console.
One man will unlock the 8th SPU of the CELL processor in the PS3.. And that man is GeoHot :D Mark my words, I can see him doing it. :)
Can't imagine a game looking any better than God of War 3
i hope they will use there engine on upcoming David Jaffe game or other games, wow i love the graphics of GOW3 especially the water and also the textures of the stones and skins. GOW3 is like a preview of Ps4
This prediction seems very reasonable to me since PS2 saw some awesome graphics and games in the end of its true domination. Compared to the first out titles which looked a bit like PSone titles in the end the quality was even better than most of the Wii titles available so far... There will be even more splendid games concerning graphics but it will be hard to beat GoW III concerning fun :D ... And best of all the PS3 just starts to get momentum and I bet we wont see the end for quite a time.