CNN's Kyung Lah reports on Japanese rape fantasy games and calls to ban them. (Viewer discretion advised)
well thats japan
for giving CNN and others an excuse to keep their campaign against Video Games. PERVERTS @ Captain Obvious "lol the funny thing is MS has been pumping games like this on the 360 since lunch in japan. Nice try by the way" - well Captain show us proof. Obviously your comment is full of B.S.
Bleh, you all need to calm down. What ever happened to video games don't cause violence? This goes the same way. VIDEO GAMES DON'T CAUSE RAPE! Just because I played "rapelay" before, doesn't mean I'm gonna go out and rape a girl, WTF. Honestly, this is a GAME, with DIGITAL girls. ..............I mean.... shiz, which is worse? Would you rather be shot in the head (GTA, MW2, or any other shooter out there) or even have your head ripped off (GoW3) or would you rather get raped? BRING THE RAPE PLEASE! On accounts of bad things, Murder should still be #1, followed by rape. So in all things fair, in my opinion that is, games don't make people with a good mental capacity, kill, rape, suicide, or anything else that involves direct contact in an unwanted manner.
This news is full of lies and misguided opinions .. But i guess that is normal coming from "them" . Do some research at least. US medias are pitifull really ... What's the point of this "news" ??to ban them in their own country when they sell like crazy and that no harm is done ? yes nobody is raping some girl after playing such games ... because you know what ..these are games .. It's a know fact , everyone who played 50 blood on sand or mercenaries ..went to put C4 to destroy the nearby building because we gamers are so easy to manipulate ...
kill people in games not a problem hint:most of them made in america rape people in games this is bad...new logic
This is what world hates about America. One of youngest nations in the world want to be "police of the world", mind your own God damn business. How old is japanese culture compared to USA? It can't even be compared. USA needs to stop thinking that who ever doesn't share their "values" or opinion = bad guy. Look i am not for this stuff, these rape games and similar stuff, but i have no business sticking my nose into what people like to do on other side of the globe. Their culture, their mind set, let them be.
Bereaver, your comment makes no sense. It's a rape simulation game. Rape is wrong in every way and there is no excuse whatsoever to justify it. Also, these japanese fethishes need to stop. Seriously, women are really portrayed nothing more than sexual dolls there. Apparently, a book written about by jap train molester about his experiences sold than 400,000 copies. WTF has this world come to if we're suddenly going to justify disgusting things like this. But as for violence, we have real life boxing and that is violence. We can have boxing sim games. As for GTA or whatever shooter, there is an army, there are soldiers. There are wars. I can understand the negatives of how GTA makes you do mobster style hits or drug dealing. But rape is a whole different level here. Next thing you know, Japan will start selling pedo sims. I mean, they already have an underrage fetish there (lolicon).
@Eamon Then clean up your houses first . The west is rampant with live porn featuring fantasy rape . Has been forever , and hardly anyone is complaining . And we all know porn is even more widespread than videogames . The games are just , as usual , another hot topic , for a so called new level of sickness that "everyone" is clearly guilty of
Once again America is meddling with something that is none of their business.
Baka-akaB, personally, I'd rather go and do the real thing than watch a video of 2 people at it. A lot of people fail to realise that pornography also downgrades females. But then there's the excuse that "porn actresses choose to do it. So what's the problem?" Hypocrisy at it's finest if I do say so myself.
I'm not a fan neither of any form of fantasy rape , be it live or animated ... But i disagree wholeheartly with double standards in artistic freedoms . If we deem normal to have paid skanks faking being raped , sometimes even rather disgustingly and violently ... then there shouldnt be any problem for virtual characters . All of this stems , as usual from ,the medias arbitrary decisions that anime , cartoons , or videogames ( both even more intertwined in designs and style in japan in this case ) are supposed to be for childrens and teens only . So cue the fake horror and shock over anime stylized porn and games . Videogames have the right to be as sick and twisted than any available other form of entertainement , as long as well rated . In this instance it's clear the games arent marketed for USA , and that cnn went out of its way to find it .
Ah... I don't care what anyone can say about other, Japan is Awesome in some Aspects, but Definitely is not Perfect and that's obvious, There are Things that I simply Hate, like the Erotic-Porn mags and videos showing little girls that people can buy in stores and some other disgusting stuffs, but not for that I'll make my mind about Japan and only see the bad things, I prefer to keep with the good stuff....
It's an integral element of Japan's culture. Has been since the early 80s. A Woman's Rights group isn't going to change it. Also: "Within Japan itself, the dramatic increase in available pornography and sexually explicit materials is apparent to even a casual observer. This is concomitant with a general liberalization of restrictions on other sexual outlets as well. Also readily apparent from the information presented is that, over this period of change, sex crimes in every category, from rape to public indecency, sexual offenses from both ends of the criminal spectrum, significantly decreased in incidence." A good read if you're really interested: http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/...
CNN is the Ruler of Japan, dictating what it can and can not do. Too bad Japan got its own government and laws. So all CNN can do is whine. @Rock Bottom When you put it like that, d*mn, it's true. It's d*mn true!
You know what's even more hypocrite? It's illegal to pay a girl to have sex with, yet it's completely legal to pay a girl to have sex with you in front of a camera. Pretty much the only difference between prostitution and pornography is the involvement of a camera.
It's just friggin PORN!! What's OK in video form is now not ok when it's interactive? So something now is called a GAME have to be judge differently, because of what? That if something is labeled a "Game" then it has to be for KIDS? These are Adult Games just like Adult Videos, It's PORN, there are tons of different varieties of these sex games just like normal porn that people watch in many countries. These rape ones just get picked out just so these crazy women's rights groups have something to base on and b^tch about. What these people don't get is that the "objective" of these "games" is not to demean or rape women, the OBJECTIVE is to get a load off just like watching porn. @1.10 Eamon: Aren't you the one being hypocritical here? You say you rather go do the real thing so you are obviously ok with SEX. Why is it that it's not downgrading to women when you have sex, but it is downgrading to the porn actresses because they are porn actresses? It's because YOU are the one having a double standard and people like YOU are the one that's downgrading the women when their job is in the porn industry. If a person is born smart, they can use their brains to make money, but when a person is born beautiful, why is it that they can't use their body to make money? If you are going to argue against rape just like these women's rights groups, then argue against "rape". Don't go and have double standards and lash out against something because it is labeled a "Game", or "These Japanese fethishes need to stop". There are tons of raped themed porn in many countries not just Japan, and I'm sure where you came from too. So why don't you stop being a double standard racist+sexist bigot?
This is nothing compared to the actual rape crimes that happening in other countries. Heck, they even punish the rape victim and praise the rapist as if he did the right thing.
Dunno about the cultural Japanese stuff but I've heard rapists are treated very very bad when they hit the jail, at least in western jails. You can kill and be respected but never rape. I dont condone either, of course but I m*f*ng hate anything associated with rape. Japanese sh!t is not exception.
lol, Dir_en_grey, you misunderstood me. When I said "I would rather go out and to the real thing," I did not mean brothels or with prostitutes. I mean't having a gf/wife lol. "Why is it that it's not downgrading to women when you have sex, but it is downgrading to the porn actresses because they are porn actresses?" ^^ Again you misunderstood me. I am against prostitution and the exploitation of the female body. My personal opinion is that porn actors and actresses having sex with hundreds of people for a living is disgusting and morally wrong. Again, that's my opinion. But more importantly, it's true that exploiting females for dirty horny men is definitely degrading. "It's because YOU are the one having a double standard and people like YOU are the one that's downgrading the women when their job is in the porn industry." ^^ Your point fails to prove how I am the one doing the downgrading. Unless you mean, I look down at women in the porn industry. That's a retarded comment. It's like saying "you have double standards for looking down at some drunk homeless bum on the street." "There are tons of raped themed porn in many countries not just Japan, and I'm sure where you came from too." Firstly, I come from UK, and of course there are red light districts, porn inustry etc. That doesn't mean I agree with any of that! And I am not some patriotic idiot who is loyal to their nation simply because they were born/live there. I have my own unique set of morals and standards thank you very much. And I criticised Japan because their perverted culture is pretty known throughout the world. I know many european countries are like that too. But this article is solely concentrated on a japanese game and japanese developers. I belive in freedom of speach and expression and the freedom to live your life without oppression. But I also believe that societies need to limit the extent of their freedom. Moral boundaries need to be placed and human dignity and rights need to be valued.
Only in Japan
CNN is late a hell with this....
yes. But after nuking a country can we really tell them what to do at home? We can't even get them to stop whaling. We all know rape is wrong, but there are bigger problems to tackle out there. Maybe its Japan's response to combat the low birth rate. I could see if it was aimed at running around killing a specific ethnic group, but these aren't exactly mainstream games just because they are available digitally. I still am shocked the english girl said it didn't offend her at all. If you want something to complain about, go find those videos where Japanese teenagers are running around skeeting on unspecting girls public. THAT is messed up.
what are they gonna do take japan to court?
Sick and demented people. Now I know why the 360 doesn't do well over there.
lol the funny thing is MS has been pumping games like this on the 360 since lunch in japan nice try by the way
http://frontwing.jp/product... http://www.kotaku.com.au/20... by the way there are games like this on the PS3 too in japan just sayin
makes me sad for your existence and it puts you right besides all those sick and demented people you talk of
"Sick and demented people. Now I know why the 360 doesn't do well over there." The 360 doesn't do well over there because Halo sucks. It has nothing to do with rape games. For your statement to be true, the Wii would have to have a ton of rape games. And the Wii does not. So the only conclusion is that Halo sucks and the Japanese does not like Halo.
I have no interest in those games. But they might as well try to ban porn too
Since in P0rn, real womans are being used... not some computer generated caracter...
the irony is USA seems to have no issue with porn featuring rape fantasies . And those are actually disturbing , since with live actors
Its quite ironic, many many years ago Japan decided to scrap the laws forced on them by the US after WW2. As a result, all porn was allowed however it had to have a mosaic of some sort covering genitals. Granted, the variety of porn out there is just downright WEIRD however Japan has one of the lowest sex crime rates in comparison to the population of any country in the WORLD! American news coverage should be more concerned about kids running around in THEIR schools with guns rather than Japan's obsession with anime rape games...
Granted I find the game deplorable, but folks should worry about their own country's problems and taking care of issues there before trying to go off and police others. Ever see Law and Order SVU? Or any other cop show and most of the other dramas on TV, the the gore porn flicks and thrillers in the theaters, and don't even get me started on books. There's something f*cked up in every form of media, just be a god damned parent and make sure to not let your kids run wild and be exposed to the sh*t all the time so they don't grow up and become degenerates and continue the cycle.
It's not rape if they like it.
Its none of our business what games they sell there. Maybe they just appreciate the freedom of speech in entertainment more than country "x". It's only a game in the end and the characters are most likely imaginary 3D dolls or anime characters.
Is amazing what they call "reporting" these days. Not standing up for games like RapeLay, but tbh if that reporter is allowed to do more work on TV, then the Japs should be allowed to play what they want.
So now these American assmole journalists have nothing better to do than stir up video game controversy in foreign countries now. . .
I loved the fact that cnn used an asian woman so people don't come saying that this is racist. Another thing is that compared to US crime in Japa it's almost non existent... Including rape.
Pre-teen rape is for Japan what torture techniques are for the US. Part of their cultural heritage.
those who complain are idiots. it is not in America, it is not in UK. these games launched for Japan, and there are no problems or negative effects. games have nothing to do with reality. Just like GTA doesn't turn you into murderer, sexual violent game doesn't turn you into predator. but if you are weak you shouldn't play any game other than Mario and rated E for everyone. I actually played that game and played some other violent and sexual games. I would never do such things in real life . but I enjoy those games and pretty much any game. CNN should suck it up. just like we don't want Japan to tell US to stop publishing violent war games, nobody should tell Japan to stop publishing these games. Even if they stop professional companies from making such games, they can't stop amateur publishers. That game company doesn't allow publishing the game outside Japan. but somebody took it to UK amazon and then they started to whine over there. Japan has less sexual violence that many European county . Sexual assaults in the US is 20 times higher than Japan. prove it has nothing to do with games.
Rape fantasy? I'd call it a "How To" for asian nerds! But seriously aslong as this doesnt spread western i have no beef with it. I think it would never spread outside of there mainly because we're far more sensitised to womens rights and derogatory gaming.
so a game that involves killing Jews and Blacks that's fine with you? because such game produced in the US and available online. I haven't played it. but do you think that's ok? where do you draw the line? ah right. The irony is such games as rape and sexual violence also produced by amateur programmers in the US and not banned by any law, yet they demand other countries to do so. way to go double face.
Funny they gave me thumbs downs, because saying the truth? there is an infamous racist game produced in America , the aim is to kill Jews and Blacks, and it is 3d. and they still sell it online. I consider it sicker than sexual violent games. but I don't want it banned. but you guys think it is ok? but not sexual violence? idiots start home. Rape percentage in the US is much much higher than Japan and many other countries. Grow up. and mind your own business. Then when rape games become normal in the US. they will start pressuring other countries to accept them.
I dont know where you saw in my response that i condone racist or anti-semitic games, so get your facts right. I was merely commenting on said topic at hand, so really you should stay on topic yourself. Any game that promotes racism or anti-semetic violence i would never buy anyway and really think the people who do buy it are wrong, however everyone has their own freedom to do so as they please so who are we to judge others on what they buy when said product isnt banned.
dude, i can understand your point, its valid, but it has a major flaw the market for these games in japan and even the world is HUGE the africans and jews game, is it in context? you aren't talking about RE5 are you? because if there is a game about killing "minorities" (even though they are a majority) i doubt it sells as much as rape games thats the problem: rape games sell and have a growing public, and that is messed up not the fact that they exist, since everything exists from mutilation hentai to balloon popping cosplay fetish rooms in japan xD the fact is, rape games and hentai is getting too big, and its disturbing to see that and it needs to be regulated because its down right WRONG and before you say BAH BUT MOVIES HAVE DEATHS welll done, but killing a bad guy is very abstracted in movies rape isn't abstracted and it is gives more than just a video game pleasure (climax for many fans =/) so its way more messed up than anything you pointed out man =/
japan's 360's natal would be one hell of an experience lol on topic .. those sick perverts better rape virtual girls than real ones, wouldn't you agree CNN ?
Rape hentai games? why didnt someone tell me about this sooner!!!!? jeeeeeeez, see you in a couple of months guys !1
*edit* Nevermind, I realized that the hate for the US is inbred and "cool" now. Way to go cool kids! I retract my inital comment
I understand the concern here, but how is this different from something like GTA where you can just run up to someone and kill them, let it be man or woman, for no reason?.... it's a game, get over it. If people can't tell the difference between a video game and real life, then that's their problem. This stuff has been around for a long time now and sales like crazy in Japan just as GTA sells like crazy here. I'm not supporting Rape L or whatever it's called, I just don't see the point in making this "report". I guess they couldn't get anything on GTA back then so now they target this??? Reporters these days...
It degrades women. We live in a society that revolves around sex. A society based off the image of men.
uh, no have you seen commercials lately? in the span of 2 hours you're bound to see tons of nudity and all kinds of violence. imagine for just a second that since they've had these games for decades, that japanese gamers (and people who have been playing these games for just as long, as per the report), are just as desensitized to the violence and sexual content. It is the games they want to play. Who's complaining about Grand Theft Auto any more? Or god of war with it's sex mini game? The next Grand Theft Auto, at this point, can include all kinds of stuff since as a culture we keep getting more and more exposed to sex, violence, and sexual violence. Should it ever be normal to see sexual violence in ANY form? no, but that's the way boooks (have seemingly always been), any good movie needs a pinch of sex, and you can't find any form of entertainment that doesn't have any violence. It has nothing to do with this being a man's world, or a woman's world and how people are depicted. Instead it is about how we choose to entertain ourselves and sadly how much sex, violence, and sexual violence in their entertainment some people for people to have fun. They are subject to the penalty of law if they decide to commit crimes.
Might a non-reflected person who play this game, develop healthy views and believes about rape that would later make him/her less lightly be go through with a rape in the future? Enacting something like this in a simulation might provoke feelings that would otherwise not occur until after the deed would be done IRL and possibly cause damage to that persons mind (in addition to the victim) making him/her more receptacle repeat the sin in the future. While on the other hand people who are playing these games with enjoyment (good grief) are less out on the street doing it for real. I.e. banning this game does not do any good. The focus should lie on educating people about these things, not making them taboos.
not at all. You're asking if someone who willingly plays this game will relate it at all to real life? no if they will learn the consequences of the actions? no IIRC there are no consequences built into these games. Plus, who's going to take raping a virtual character in a game as a simulation which will then incite them to go stalk someone and rape them? that's a huge stretch. Very much along the lines of playing Manhunt and taking it as a murder sim which you're using to train yourself to later go out and murder people. the game doesn't make you any more or less capable of doing the things that are depicted.
...Western Journalism reporting on something that they have no concept about. Whilst I don't condone this kind of game, Japan's culture is vastly different to Western countries and CNN is just poking it's nose in to boost ratings. It would be like Japan's new stations reporting on how the US are scouring the globe looking for U.S. tax exiles because they are required to pay tax to a country that haven't lived in for years.
one thing is murder...its brutal but its not as shocking as rape, never rape vitctims have to live with what happened to them...murdered people...don't so yeah =/ this is messed up
it's fantasy it's rated accordingly to what's inside Live with it
yeah i know right bear, because totally taking someones life, taking away their future of having a family, husband/wife. new friends dream job, grand children and all of lifes experiences aswell as causing grievance to the victims family/friends is totally not as bad as someone living through a rape......... rape is horrible yes but atleast if they live it will bbe a past trauma but least they can keep on living. i know victims and they rather be alive than raped and killed. thats why its totally cool to have games where u run into an airport and kill defenseless people than rape anime girls...... w/e this world is all Fuc*ed up
midgard, the whole point of that scene in MW2 was to show you how inhumane it was. You're supposed to feel a sense of disgust or guilt. Well, I won't deny that many victims would rather live than die. But there also many victims that would rather die and many have already taken their lives. This is why rape should never be promoted or justified. Of course, if rape is portrayed as a bad thing in games/movies then that's different. I'm talking about games like this one where it's a rape simulation.
ok let's be serious ...it's not a rape simulation Even the most hardcore rape game you'll find in hentai shops are not simulations. "simulations" is a term over used in a bad way ... Oh can you have simulation when it's FANTASY ... you have tentacles ..in some times magic , in other case something else .. they are not simulations
@eamon Come on let's be honest here ... that airport scene was there because they needed a shocker . Hell it even somehow was "leaked" right when numerous complaints were popping up before release (about lack of dedicated servers among things) . Let's not pretend MW2 actually did it for the purpose of a rather forgetable B action movie plot . BTW since a lot of fuss was made around rapelay ... how many pointed out or actually knows that there are only two endings : You're either stabbed to death, or you're run over by a subway train. Winning via rape doesn't actually exist. And it's a rather crappy game for many other reasons than its concept . Hentai games fans has moved on before you guys even started complaining , it is has if , Cnn was still running newsflash about the Clinton/Lewinski scandal , in 2010 .
wudnt these games reduce rape in japan? i mean if some dude is raping a videogame rather than a real girl i think its saved some1
no. They very much do encourage molestation, rape and violence against women. But it is up to their government to do something to protect the public. Brow bashing from outside isn't going to help. They might as well ban hentai in all it's forms, not just in games. Which should then be a move to ban anything that can be seen to depict rape and violent sex. That includes some porn and rated R movies etc. Why pick on games when people are expeosed to sexual violence all the time? even in commercials.
So in your theory. GTA has raised random murders, stolen vehicles smashed into walls and light poles, drug deals, and so on. God you know I live in America but there are still idiots in every country. Just like the person above me.
Rapelay leaves you either stabbed or thrown under the rails of a train . i dont see how would that be rewarding or any kind of promotion .
leave my rape games alone damn nosy americans!
Bet you can't get this game in australia (if you can it won't be for long) where they actually censor stuff. People here (america) talk about banning stuff all the time, that is freedom of speech as stange as it sounds. I can say pretty much whatever i want, including the ability to say that something should be banned. That doesn't mean it will be, which is also a 1st amendment thing. I hate a lot of things I see happening around the world, but since it is cool to hate americans and if I say anything about those other countries I am just a arrogant american who doesn't get it, I don't really say much. Enjoy your rape game guys, who gives a sh*t, I know I would never play it, and if you do I fully believe you should be ashamed of yourself. Just snap one off to your own imagination. I am just glad to see no one defending the actual game, just the right to produce it. I completely agree, they should be able to make the game, just like I should be able to say don't play it to anyone I can find. Not because I am american and like getting into someone's business, just because I think it is sick, like watching MTV or driving a dodge neon.
You guys act as if the Japanese ideals and ethic moral values are so vastly different from the world. I'm pretty sure if I would go to Japan and ask any female if they condone rape they would say no (unless she is a nasty slut). There is a huge difference between a game that has violence and weapons towards a game that its main focus is just the horrible act of raping a woman/young girls.