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There is no need for that sort of thing in games. We all go on them to have fun... yet a lot of people have their time ruined by this sort of thing! I know for a fact that there are numerous online gamers who abuse the chat function. I mean... I like to have a good chunk of competetive banter... but theres talking up... and then there is talking out of turn. But the fact that these people still do it means that not enough are getting punished. Lets hope that we, as proper gamers, can shut this out.
.. I meant all racism in general.
http://finance.yahoo.com/ne... this is a shocking revelation. I cannot believe that there are actually racist people in the world. I need to take a breather, hold on
I don't understand why people get so worked up over this. While I agree that racism is very ugly (and just plain stupid) I don't take anything that is said on Xbox Live or the PSN seriously. Hateful people are everywhere nowadays. Best thing to do is just ignore/pity them.
cry babies crying as usual. who cares, just hit the ignore button or take off your headset and grow some balls. people act like the world has to be censored to avoid peoples feeling being hurt, BOO FREAKIN HOO. the world doesnt have to change to suit your emotions, this is a lie that liberalism has told you.
Mute is for, i would not even report them. Racist 12 year old, shocking!! grow up.
I found XBL to be a mess. Racist, ignorant and homophobic players were everywhere and the problem was rampant. When I first tried the PSN, it was a breath of fresh air in comparison. I went over a year before I ran into a player on Modern Warfare 2 who was yelling racists remarks at anyone who dared not play as well as he thought he was playing. But the thing is, the vast majority of 360's are sold to Americans while the PSN network was filled with Europeans, Japanese and generally older players. When I would look up the ID's and regions of those using racist slurs on XBL, they were always American. Now that the PS3 is picking up in popularity in the US, I hate to say it but this type of player is becoming much more prevalent now gaming online. I've even heard players try to justify their racist remarks. I have twice walked into a lobby where US players were trying to explain to European gamers how the terms they were using weren't racist, that it only referred to a certain type of person and that's why it's really not racist at all. It's a cultural thing, plain and simple. I 'm not saying that all US players are racist, in fact I'm sure it's a very small minority, but a large number of them certainly talk like they are. And as a community, we've let this happen. Report them. Report them often. It's the only way we as gamers can get a handle on this problem until Microsoft implements that software they patented to censor live data streams in real time. I've got no problem with trash talking or inappropriate language, but I don't think racism and homophobia have any place in online games. By tolerating the problem, you're just making it worse. You think these people would continue spouting their hate if every time they did they were confronted, kicked from the game, reported, etc? Gamers hold the power to take control of this issue, but apathy is rampant.
Almost all of the racist a$$holes i hear are white... why is this problem so centralized on this race? what are so many parents doing wrong?.. I know the majority of whites are open minded, normal people, but this racism crap refuses to die in that culture. In the comments for this very post, victims are urged to stop 'crying' or 'whining'. Why is this problem so localized in this race?
I think most of this has to do with how angry some people get when playing games. When these people get filled with rage they lash out and say things that they think will anger others (like calling people "N" words and [email protected]). It's like their own little way of dealing with the fact that they just got owned. lol
Im not racist, i just use racism to my advantage. and honestly racism when used properly is hilarious... and may i point out that there isnt even a race gene, therefore racism shouldnt mean anything to anyone. And all you humanitarians and human rights idiots are all hypocrites... i bet my balls you all laugh at racist jokes whether its about whites, blacks, asians so seriously harden the f*** up they're just words. The kinda of racism i cant stand is the killing of another race... seriously say whatever you want about them, but too take action against them is wrong.
What if it was you? What if it was your kid who was the target of hateful and racist remarks? Would you say "Hey, kiddo! At least they aren't trying to kill you! Nothing wrong with people hurling demeaning, derogatory comments at you because, hey! People can say what they want and that's alright by me." You can say it's all well and good but what happens when it's you, or your friends, or your family, or someone you care about? Have you ever looked into the eyes of someone you care about who's been targeted and victimized by another simply because of the color of their skin? Try telling them that it's ok because "No one is trying to kill you" and that they should ignore it. How is anything every going to change with apathy like this? All it takes for this to get worse is for good people to do nothing. No gamer should ever feel afraid to join up with other gamers simply play. Report every last instance of racism you hear and don't let our gaming community be ruined by these idiots.
I understand where you are coming from darkride66, but you have to realize that this kind of behavior will never stop, so people just need to accept that reality and deal with it as best they can. In fact, trying to stop people from saying hurtful things is far more dangerous than anything that they might be saying. Stupid people say stupid things, it's just a part of life.
If a little 12 year old states a racist comment and you are offended by it... grow up, it's just a video game and this is natural, if you can't handle it then you shouldn't be playing video games.
Anonymity truly is a pretty wild thing. People feel safe hiding behind computer screens that they say whatever they want. Personally, I don't mind as long as I have an ignore feature, but some people tend to take things to another level. It's even worse on XBL where users have rights to a mic as opposed to it being a privilege of sorts. If you want a mic on the PC or PS3 you have to buy it, and at least that's some sort of screening process-- it filters some of the users. Again, at least there's an ignore option.
Great post. Part of the proble with ignore, is the time you have to be subjected to it. Some people actually raise their kids and want to limit their exposure to the gutterish side of life. Unfortunately they can get blindsided, even kids, util they hit ignore. No one in these psycopaths lives will listen to them so they go online anonymously and at least until ignored can blindside people into listening to them. They really are pitiful. And contrary to some of the comments most are not tweens. They're adults over 18. Stupid people don't stop being stupid when they get behind the wheel of a car, or when they go online. While you may get an education and good job and move away from idiots, on the Internet, we're all in the same neighborhood. But, Live does have a great feature that will allow you to only allow chat with friends.
Morgan you're wrong. You said Missouri doesn't offer a personal trainer cert? I went to Pinnacle Career Institute. They say that they do. They also say I fulfilled my requirements and meet the guidelines to teach and instruct in the state of Missouri and Kansas. You should brush up on your regulations a bit more. Kansas City is both Kansas and Missouri. Seemingly split down the middle. I've never done steroids illegally. That, much like everything you all are spewing is an assumption. My legs are very well built and defined. I'm 6ft 2 and 217lbs right now. It's all genetics and while I'm sure there are people in the world with much larger legs, the vast majority are not my height. You say you workout and are, yourself, ACE cert. Then you should be well aware of the difficulties in long versus short muscle development. A man who's 5ft 6 will have much more mass into his frame than one of 6ft 2 stature. You say you can spot a "juicer" from a mile away... But you can't. Cos' I'm not one. So you fail. And even you, if you are ACE cert, should know that there are still guidelines to your craft. You still have to abide by drug testing if you want to maintain it and do it for a living... Or, in my case, part time.
I love how when racisim is brought up it's always a White kid/guy who's calling out the blacks. Whatever... I've experienced more racisim, being jewish, from blacks than any one white person ever. Hell, I'd be willing to bet Mel Gibbson would treat me with more respect than the average black man on the street. People hate -- not every instance has to do with the color of skin or the god you believe in. Deal with it.
Yeah, I don't believe you.
Gradient Actually he is right. I am fed up with this bull that makes it sound like it is only white kids insults colored person. We all know that is not the case. Or that racism comes only from white people LOL at that.
No one is saying that it's only white kids blurting out racist crap, but they are saying that the majority of the racist crap is coming from white kids. And all the online gaming I've done verifies that claim. But no one is saying that white kids are the ONLY ones doing it or that the black community is the only group at the brunt of all the racial attacks. They are just pointing out what happens most on a wider scale.
Well said, way to speak your piece without, making yourself a statistic that needs to be defended, unlike some of the others that responded to this. Racism is ugly, ignorant, and simply should not be tolerated regardless to who's doing it. I truely believe that it is a learned behavior, and poor parenting/mentoring is the biggest part of the problem.
A long time ago on this very site discussing a similar topic, a guy actually wrote "I can't be racist, I'm a brownie!" Others agreed with him and went on to try and argue that you can't be 'racist' against whites, and that it's considered 'reverse racism'. The more disturbing thing was how many people agreed with him.
Arbit.. Dude you have one bubble for a reason, you should definitely not preach about how people should act properly, about anything. First clean your sh1t as they say, then comment on others. No one in this topic said that racism is ok, we all know it isn't and we all have felt it in some way shape or form. I am foreigner in country i live and i have felt some discrimination and from my life experience, all people/races are the same. Meaning there are good people and bad people. But always creating this buzz that 90% of racism comes from white people and those 10% that come from other races is usually spined around and served as "self defense/provoked" sorry i am not buying it. White farmers are murdered in 100s, in most brutal ways every year in Africa just because of their skin color Here http://www.digitaljournal.c... . You don't see anyone talking about that, it's usually put under the carpet. All i am trying to say is, let's stop point finger at one race all the time, there was this guy with small moustache, he did similar thing and 50 million people died because of him.
I got a PM from "mrjackofalltrades" "so don't try and blame others for what your people do as a part time and sometimes full time job." Please takes note of his "your" people bit there. 1. Assuming I'm white. 2. Being inadvertently racist himself. By addressing any race or culture as "your" people... C;mon. A little hostility there. The entire PM was riddled with slanderous remarks as if I'm white, which is an assumption. Blacks are stealthy racist. They're opportunistic racist, really. They bait and then they call foul.
Every 1 out of 3 games I am met with racists. "Ohh it's achmed the terrorist where ya bombs at?" is probably the least it gets, when there's a party of 6 or more in CoD it'd be harrasment throughout the whole game, and i can tell some of these guys are at least 20 yrs. Pathetic really
I think no one is talking about the farmers that are killed in Africa because we are focusing on the U.S. There are obviously many other forms of oppression all over the world. We all can't have a conversation about all of them on N4G, this is the type of stuff people write their doctoral thesis on. Although I understand your point and don't want to make it seem like those other issues don't matter I think we should stay focused on the point of the article which is about online gaming and all the ignorance spouted over peoples mics. Again, I don't want it to seem like I don't think your points are valid, I just want to make sure we are talking about issues of the article instead of using one issue to bring light to another.
"Blacks are stealthy racists. They are opportunistic racists" Such a generalization makes YOU sound racist.
Wow the fake Sony insider is really racist. All you keep doing is calling out blacks i bet you wont say it to their face.
do u know why its that way around and not the other.....its the same reason when somebody mentions sexism its usually the man against the female....why, because its usually that way. Nobody is saying it cant be or isnt the other way around...anybody saying that would be stupid but the fact remains that the majority of online users who spew that crap are of a particular race followed by.... If the majority of online users were from the africas then maybe it would be the other way around but its not.
lmao @ the fake sony insider sending me messages New Message: 3 hours ago | By: nogolis | Block I'm not a Sony insider Who said I was? I'm just a blogger... Huge difference. And I'm inclined to say pretty much what I want when I want. I'm a registered fitness trainer with the state of Missouri. I bench more than you eat in a week. My arms are 19inches and I curl 160lbs off the bar as a warm up. Want some proof? http://i44.tinypic.com/k04u... Oh, and I also train mix Shotokan & kenpo/or as you would say it kempo 4 hours a week. I pretty assure of my footing and where I stand. I damn sure don't let little puzzy squirts like you tell me what I can, can't or won't do.
When he said "your people," if he said it, and I don't believe much of what you say, perhaps he meant jews, since "you" chose to identify yourself as one. As a Jew, I find it hard to believe you are surrounded by so many blacks that you say you've experienced more racism, in your case, antisemitism, from blacks than whites. Unless you live in an inner-city, I just don't believe you. And if you received a message riddled with slanderous remarks (defamatory is probably more appropriate) why didn't you post those instead of some ambigous sentence out of context? Lastly, having identified yourself as Jewish with the blacks are racists comments, if you did receive what you claim, how do you know it was a black person?
You can always tell a steroid user (juicer) by their disproportionately small legs. Steroiod blow up the smaller muscles like biceps, pecs, and triceps with little effort and lots of water. Legs, you still have to work and have natural strength and genetics. People who are natural develop evenly across the whole body. Without steroids, no one with legs that small can maintain or even develop 19" biceps/triceps. And only steroid users give their bicep measurement. Natural bodybuilders know that 65% of a bicep measurement is actually the triceps. Lastly, the State of Missouri offers no personal training certification. Many steroid users are racists. They can't control their emotions on the juice. Better that than beating/murdering their spouses/girlfriends.
Anyone can be racist. What people tend to say is, minorities can't discriminate against whites because they are not in a position of power. There are black racists, though, there really aren't many. In the grand scheme of things, at 13% of Americans, there aren't many blacks period. There are more white "racists" than there are total blacks in America. So, you are right. There are black racists. And they are right and wrong about discrimination. Depends on how you choose to define it. Economically they are right, socially, not so much.
I can't play Modern Warfare 2 for a day without a racist rant these days...
I was just going to say the samething. I'm Hispanic, even though I don't hear much racism/trash talk about Latinos, it's hard to ignore these country bumpkin white kids who play MW2 say "N*gger this, N*gger that" and I even get threatened by teenagers who send me MSGs talking more sh*t. These ignorant little spoiled brats have no clue how I would hurt them if we met face to face. Man it pisses me off just thinking about it that's how bad it is. I always offer to buy a plane ticket or bus fare for those people. Not one accepts and you want to know why? Because they are P*ssy
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Racist comments really take from the experience
It's not about THICK SKIN or CRYING all of the time. It is about being able to have a decent gaming experience without having that experience ruined by racist remarks. It's not like a grown person is sitting behind the controller crying because some idiot decides to hurl a remark (one which has probably been hurled more times than he or she can count). The fact is that it is just pathetic that ALL gamers can't have the same experience without having to mute or move from room to room to avoid a certain group of idiots.
And this coming from a White man even i know more about yall histroy then yall.
But when i hear a racist douche, that just makes me want to own the noob harder.
alot of these racist are no older then 16.
the REALLY sad part if most of these kids aren't even racist at all. They're just saying hateful things and saying words they wouldn't normally say just because they can. Case and point last year in gears 2 kid was spewing racial slurs just for the *hec* of it. His pop must have walked in on him cuz it was obvious from the screams of "I'm sorry dad, I was only joking, Not anymore Dad! accompanied by the loud lashes of what we all assumed to be a leather belt the kids dad at least didn't condone such behavior in his house.
I have witnesses a similar event. Except, it was the mother that came in and heard what was being said. She pretty much did the same as the father in your story. Then, she got on the mic a preceded to apologize and said that her son would be "banned" from online games until he learned how to handle himself accordingly.
That is the funniest sh*t I have heard in a long time. OMG I wish I was there to listen in. Haha. B*tch got RAPED!!! That'll teach him no to try that nonsense again.
looking at my name(same name on xbla and psn) ive been dissed more than a couple of times and what you do is just diss back and who ever gets offended wake up these people are not people you see everyday, who cares what they say
most of the racists r Americans..and this is terrible :(
You can also be racist against a nationality, and making comments likes yours surely don't earn you any point towards not being one. Unless of course you have some statistical proof other than your anti-american opinion.
Nationality does not equal race. Racism is intolerance of another's race. And his point is a valid observation. Racist comments on XBL and PSN are almost always perpetrated by Americans. Try it some time. If you come across a player spouting racist or homophobic comments, check their ID and see where they're from. In my experience, every single time I've done this it's players from the US. It's not racist to point out cultural differences. Making observations about Americans doesn't suddenly make one "Anti-US". You need to step back and consider whether or not he has a valid point before you start in on the "Oh, he's simply Anti-US." The question you should be asking is "Why do people think this? Is it true? If it is true, why has it become culturally acceptable in the US?"
Black/White racism is an American infection. We had a Civil War over it. World War II was a much bigger racial war but European countries forbid a lot of thigns that fuel this kind of open racism. Case in point, you cannot display the swastika in Germany, but you can come here a fly it in military barracks, parading down the street preaching hate, etc.
I feel sorry for thier mom to have a kid like that. shame on you.
This was bound to happen, believe it or not the world is plagued by racism. Look at Russia, for example, they have parties that are completely against other races other than their own. And they're thriving like crazy with the government doing nothing to stop it. Racism will always be there. Because we humans don't know how to live in harmony.
is the same reason why there will always be a war
both on cod one was a guy calling himself a nazi (i lol so hard kill him then he left =*(. the other one was makeing a vid and some guy got upset cos i was 1st den he called names i forgot what he said.
You'll run into them sooner or later, but they are there. But you can't blame either console for the morons who buy it. I have to laugh though because racists were almost non-existent when it was above $300. And while I'm sure racist of all colors exist and comment on XBL and the PSN the vast majority of them appear to be talking badly against Africans or African-Americans. After that, I hear it against Arabs/Muslims, Hispanics, and then it tapers off to Hebrews, Caucasian, then Asians. It definitely exists on all fronts, but I call it as I see it.
for example, i wonder what aaron greenbergs reaction is when he comes upon this kind of stuff on live.
He even gave homage to Biggie Smalls on the Anniversary of his demise on his twitter recently.
I notice alot of times its just stupid kids who are probably losers in real life, so they think they can act tough why they are safe in their house. I wish parents who keep a closer eye on what the kids are doing while playing online,. For the adults that are doing it just shows how immature they really are, they would probably run in fear if they were confronted about it in real life
Just messing around here BUT..... Why is it that they used a white guy for the article here? So only white people can be racist. Obviously written by a black guy. ONCE AGAIN....JUST KIDDING
All it is just words. Not really much of a problem.
Use the mute button. Problem solved.
Id never say anything racsist becuase its just not right or cool. Its mostly americans as well. I think I only heard 1 british kid say the N word lol. I was like wtf a european dude sayeing stupid crap like that. I hold europeans to hire standards becuase they seem to be somewhat civilized compared to americans. I dont turn my mic on becuase I really dont want to feel like beating people up and haveing all that drama and bs.
...You say it isn't cool to say racist things yet you totally just separated an entire country and said they aren't as civilized as another. Grats on being a hypocrite.
Yeah sorta like you are being right now hypocrite. Do you specifically ask them if they are American I doubt it. Someone seems to be a closeted racist. Anyways onto the article I rarely meet racist or kids online and this is on xbox live. The only time I ever meet them is when I play any Call of duty game I have played Halo, Gears, Left 4 dead, etc practically all popular games on xbox live and everyone is pretty civil the communities are great with people who just want to play and have fun and talk. But when I play any Call of duty game wow people are just Assh*les there. I Have gotten messages when I beat the other team and someone from the other team messages me saying "your a F*G" I just tend to file a complaint about them and hope they get banned (I suggest everyone do the same) and put them on my ignore list. That's why I avoid playing COD games online COD games tend to have the worst community in online gaming.
Remember that both world wars started because of Europeans. And so did the Holocaust. but you know, that doesn't make every European a war monger, or a racist. except by your logic of course.
everybody is just as racist over here, Jews, blacks, muslims, browns, whites...everybody...I mean what race doesnt prefer their own or hold a lower opinion about the 'others' some people may say hurtful things but have a girlfriend of the very same race/religion almost like their goading/smack talking BUT others are just down right racist and really hate 'others'
Guys, the N word is so racist. I mean, when was the last you heard a black man use the word? Honestly, it's elitist pricks like you that remind me why I love being an American. Oh, and = Bubz for the war comment.
And on a final note, last bubble blues here -- Maybe all these "EVIL WHITE KIDS" you speak of being so racist wouldn't be so racist if there were more positive black rolemodels on TV. You know, ones that speak with proper English and sing of positive things instead of rapping about killing, slanginin', hoes and B*Tches and rims. Maybe their should be less BET for our "poor" impressionable, feeble minded white youth. Do you realize how many of you are being racist right now by talking the way you all are talking? I've seen "Red neck" "country bumpkin" and many other "slanderous white" words in this thread and yet it's alright. It's ok to make fun of the whites. That's not racist. It's acceptable. "Rolls eyes and goes back to watching BET"
Bubbles for you dude. Seriously, i'm with you 100% and some. Its not ok for whites to say anything derogatory to anyone but once someones trashing whitey EVERYONE piles on. Everyone can shove their doublestandards where the sun don't shine. I'm white and i'm proud to be white. Instead of white people bashing other white people and causing this constant betrayal we should be united for making the world a better place, not being racist backstabbers. We have to lead the way.
but the people who control what is shown or heard on tv aren't about empowerment. Anybody with sense can see that if they truly understand the system BET is a joke....television clergies spreading the essence of negativity
Maybe there'd be less racism if you didn't develop your thoughts on other races based on what you see on tv?