Molyneux: Natal is bigger step than Move

Peter Molyneux has told Eurogamer that he doesn't think PlayStation Move is the same kind of step forward as Microsoft's Project Natal, but admits he fancies a crack on Sony's new magic wand controller.

[Darkeyes]

"This is purely me talking personally, but I think maybe it's slightly more a device for the core than it is for the casual market, because I think it's quite precise."

What a retarded statement is that??!!! So in short, it's better since it's precise, but it's not targeted at the casuals and so is worse. I am a HC gamer and care crap about casual stuff... So for me a FPS or TPS being played by Move is a 'Good' sign and not a flaw like Mr Molyneux sees.... So he also confirms that Fable 3 will be fully targeted at casuals doesn't he.

[exnihilonihilfit]

Is a bigger leap forward. If it's really good, this could become a new standard control scheme. The thing is that a lot of FPS fans complain about the lack of precision you get from a controller as compared to a mouse, using move is a lot more like using a mouse. If they get enough hardcore gamers to switch, and people start reporting a real accuracy advantage thanks to Move, console gaming could be changed forever in a way that the wiimote wasn't able to really follow through on.

[Death2494]

Peter what he think of this then...

[thesummerofgeorge]

It's only a bigger step forward if you subscribe to the idea that the future of gaming is controller-less. Personally, I'd rather hold something, than pretend I'm holding something. But then again, I'm one of those people that doesn't much care for motion controllers in general. But the Move is more my taste between the two, as I think Natal is more gimmiky than practical/useful.

[Rockox]

Don't give a crap is bigger step than who gives a crap.

[eagle21]

yeah, because Sony's is an actual controller, unlike Natal (the clap simulator)...lol

[zeeshan]

^ It can't even do that! Check out this priceless video!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Omega4]

Obviously its a bigger step anyone can see that, it gaming without a controller.

Move is just a side step of the Wii and slightly a bit backwards because all the "decent" games require 2 controllers to play.

Edit: I never said they invented it, they have taken Sonys simple eyetoy and made it so it can recognize you in 3D space, has speech recognition, can track multiple people and scan objects more than the eyetoy ever could.

Move is just a direct rip off of the Wii with less features like no motion in the nunchuk, sure it might be slightly more accurate but the Wii is obviously accurate enough or millions wouldnt be buying it.

[Darkeyes]

Gaming without controller happened on the PS2.. So stop smoking whatever you are and stop living in a delusional world saying M$ invented it.

If PS3 mimicking the Wii is a step backwards, then Natal mimicking a last generation tech is even worse.

EDIT:
"Sonys simple eyetoy and made it so it can recognize you in 3D space".. Move can be recognized in 3D space.

"Speech recognition".. Confirmed as well

"can track multiple people "-Confirmed PS Move can track 4 which is as much as Natal.

"scan objects more than the eyetoy ever could".. Like what? Both scan 4 people on screen. If you are talking about objects, then they haven't shown people anything that has been scanned only some pre made videos of that... Not gonna trust anything till they show it in real time.

And besides that... Move will work at 60FPS and Natal will be locked up at 30FPS. Move only uses 2MB on PS3 memory and lags only 1 frame whereas Natal uses 20-30% 360 power with more than 100ms latency for only 1 user, number grows as more people come in.

Forget even that... Move actually can mimic Natal as per Digital Foundries anaysis where it tracked the entire upped body... In short
MOVE>NATAL.

[nycredude]

Omega4

If you had a Ps2 or if you have a Ps3 you would know that this is done already. There are at least 7 or 8 games on the Psn that uses this. It's cool but feel like a gimick very fast.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

What about Eyepet on PS3?

Can interact with the pet using the Hands only, even interaction with Voice.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

Now i see why you have 2 bubbles. It amazes me how you can be so stupid and delusional 24/7.

[Noob]

It's very possible on PS3 as of..............NOW. They have a couple of games available on PSN that don't require a controller. Face it, the only reason you like Natal is because it's on 360.

[smittyjerkins]

Your statements lead to one question. Do people want to play games without a controller?

[Optical_Matrix]

What on earth Omega..."Of course it's a bigger step it's gaming without a controller". Ok so lets pretend Eyetoy and PSeye haven't existed for the past half decade :/ I sometimes wonder if some of you people on here have been gaming longer than the 7th generation. You've just lost all credibility

[The Wood]

course he does....cause MS said so

[zeeshan]

Darkeyes just simply OWNED Omega!

[JeffGUNZ]

Move WAND may be able to pick up 3d space, but not your whole body, without a wand, like Natal. Therefore, in that category, natal is superior, a bigger step forward. Again, with the tracking it's only tracking the movement of the WAND, not the whole body, like natal does. If you're playing a fighting game you need 4 wands and tape 2 of them to your legs. Your argument is weak. Natal's technology has the ability to play with the lights out in complete dark. Natal's technology is much more advanced than the eyetoy or the move. If you can't see that move is a complete ripoff of the wii, than you're a blind fanboy.

Most 360 users are very excited for the possibilities with the dashboard and the speech and face recognition. I am still skeptical that natal will be the next best thing, I am waiting for E3 to pass final judgment. But to sit there and think the move is better tech than natal is hilarious.

[Treyb3yond]

Interests me. As a hard core gamer and having owned a Wii from launch (without actually having turned it on for well over a year) all this motion stuff is like nails on a chalkboard for me.

[raztad]

I was on your same boat but it seems Socom 4 is better played with PS Move than DS3. Zipper is noticing how Move users have the edge over DS3 on multiplayer matches.

There is a article on Digital Foundry about this.

@disagree

A comment would be appreciated. Unless of course you have nothing good to say and you are disagreeing out of hate.

EDIt:

Here is the quote form DF article:

/q

"I've spoken to the SOCOM team and they've had troubles because the motion control people sometimes really kick the ass of the DualShock people. It's unfair," he says. "They're having balancing issues and stuff. Some people are really good with the motion controller and some people are really good with the DualShock. Some players work better on some devices and that's cool."

/q

[theIMP]

I think they were just disagreeing because of you fanboy agenda. Now all of a sudden because of Socom Sonys PMC is awesome but you bash Natal. You are the worst kind of hypocrite. I know you said you just changed your mind over SOCOM 4 but what makes you think that Natal can't put of something equally amazing? That's why judging something before YOU try in makes you look so stupid. This is why Sony fanboys are the worst, N4G member PS3 circle jerks like this.

[thehitman]

You know why Natal cant do something thsi amazing because the eyetoy cant. What you going to do make a gun shape w/ your hand and start shooting lol?? Natal uses NO CONTROLLER there is no way u can play a hardcore game like socom or be playing anythign really competitive w/ natal and thats a FACT nothing MS can do to change that. MS has shown a lot of what natal can do but nothign they shown involved a game like Socom. Day 1 Sony was like THIS is for whats to come nothign about Natal is exciting at all. And just like raz I was not interested in this at all until I seen socom and if its really precise and it has advantage over DS3 then Sony will definetly open up a new market and bring something MS or Nintendo can ever do(unless they copy).

[JeffGUNZ]

You just proved his point; complete morons on this site. Natal is not the same technology as eyetoy. Sure, it's the same CONCEPT, but far advanced tech. Do some research buddy, you'd be surprised. haha you are such a liar too, Natal has shown hardly ANY games. They have shown burnout and the kickball like game. Other than that, it's a tight lid to E3. With your logic, the move is the same as the wii, huh? I mean, the wii had a wand motion controller first. So, therefore, they are the same exact thing. See how idiotic that sounds? Who cares if they have the same concept, the technology has vastly improved. That's like saying will Genesis and the PS3 must produce the same graphics because they are both consoles and must be the same!

Use your brain once in a while. Be an adult, don't pass judgment on Natal until E3, when you actually see the final product working LIVE

[MGOelite]

natal = camera

move = camera and controller

anyone else see which is better?

[chaosatom]

Milo is fake! That's all I know Molyneux.

[Death2494]

Natal footage at 60fps

[EvilBlackCat]

"natal = camera

move = camera and controller

anyone else see which is better?"

Call me an xbox360 fanboy all you want but here is a good example of why i keep messing with you all dumbtards.

Did you know that there is a big chance that MS Xbox can add wand and nunchuk to natal? hey but not just that there is a lot of other things that the camera can recognize like electronic devices mmm... interesting right?

[avengers1978]

Move works with real games, you can't say that about Natal.
Move has 1:1 capture, you can't say that about Natal.
I'd much rather play a game were you do gladiator combat, then play a game were you knock a ball at a wall.
If Moley was really impressed with Natal why didn't he make Fable 3 with Natal functionallity, wait because he can't make a game that functions with either Natal or the controller.
Oh, and so far Natal has no xbl support so forget about playing games online with your friends on xbl, but Move has psn support.

[keysy420]

from my personal standpoint

[Hellsvacancy]

Molyneux talkin pooh again, "yes, we know u gotta hard-on 4-Micrsoft"

[Eamon]

Like you have one for Sony?

[Hellsvacancy]

I agree, with GOOD reason 2 aswel

[meetajhu]

Why are devs acting like fanboys? Whenever a Sony dev is questioned they never talk about other product. eg:-sony thanked nintendo at this GDC for making motion sensing create new audiences and bringing innovative tech. Sony is not one step ahead they are on next gen now. This MS acts like as if natal is the very first tech. Its all about software which tracks the motion. PS2 did what its hardware can do. Till now i didn't find a proper Natal capturing at 60fps even after its going to be 1 year.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Obviously he will said that.

Is not like he will said ''Move is bigger step than Natal''.

Some people overreact with Peter answers.

[king123]

he will said ?
WTF

[Consoldtobots]

oh stop being an ahole, english is obviously not his first language.

Tell you what I want you to go on a japanese forum right now and make a post.....oh wait...lol

[RagTagBnd445]

The problem about Natal is that either it is going to cost more than an new 360, or else it is not going to work probably.
They should have waited a few years with Natal, it is too ambitious.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

Natal is Microsoft's EyeToy; the technology hasn't come into its own with lag and no feedback. Natal also continues the use of EyeToyesque functionality, but the PSEye/Motion plus might be a more realistic place for it.

I see something like Natal realizing its full potential with the PS4Eye, along with the MoveShock, and 3D gaming in 2015. Or we can see it marketed to casual so heavily they buy it in droves not knowing 80% of the games aren't worth the effort.

[Kamikaze135]

Natal is the PS Eye with the Microsoft stamp on it

[Darkeyes]

... and will cost you your house and your kidney.

[MaximusPrime]

reminds me of an article entitled "HDDVD is a bigger step than Bluray"

[Biggest]

There is no freakin' way that was a real article. If someone has a link, please share it. I love laughing at crazy.

[butterfinger]

Move is a better version of the Wii controller, and Natal is a better version of EyeToy. It's hard to say which one is a bigger step since they are very different from each other.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

PS Eye is the innovation from Eyetoy.

Some people don't know PS Eye can track Body, Hands better than Eyetoy. With a simple development for Recognition of Face and Voice.
Besides, can track the Move controllers in the same time.

[butterfinger]

the PS Eye games on the PS3? They are literally NO better than the EyeToy games from the PS2. You can try to spew anything about it being better in what it CAN do, but I will tell you that what it IS doing is nothing special. Don't you think that if the PS Eye was able to do what Natal does, Sony would have already been developing better titles for it and advertising the hell out of it? Natal is the better version of EyeToy/PS Eye. That sounds better.

[Biggest]

No. That sounds like a dream you had. The Natal is the unfinished, unreleased version of the PS Eye that has proven to have more lag and a lower FPS count. That doesn't need to sound better. That is the current truth.

[palaeomerus]

I got a PS Eye in a cheap Eye of Judgment bundle to make textures for Little Big Planet. It turns out it really sucks at that. So if Move turns out to suck I'll have no use for the thing beyond maybe doing taunt faces in Burnout:Paradise. And I'm kind of tired of that. I doubt I'll see anything that makes me want to buy Natal either.

[iPad]

Natal- Updated version of EyeToy

Move- Updated version of the Wii Controller

[The real killer]

No, the Move is a update over the PS EYE toy.
It is not a copy from Nintendo qua technology, Nintendo use licentie for the technology Sony not, because it is a upgrade over Eye toy.

The Wii mote don't use a camera, the inspire to play game with motion sensors is from Sony not Microsoft or Nintendo, what those people are thinking?

The sixax is also use for sensors but less what the Wii mote can do.

[MaximusPrime]

Natal is a same as PS3's PS eye.

So iPad is correct. its an updated version of PS2's eyetoy.

[The real killer]

No, the PS EYE is upgrade over the PS EYE TOY.

And What you talking about is different, Natal technology is already in EYE TOY but it's not a PS updated PS EYE TOY.

The PS MOVE is a updated Wii mote, but the technology from those stuff is from Sony itself and Nintendo have to paid for it for licentie.

The point is, Sony has that technology way longer than Nintendo and Microsoft and that's a fact you cannot ignore.

I agree what Natal is more directed to the PS EYE TOY but the PS MOVE is directed to Wii MOTE.

[D4RkNIKON]

@The real killer
Before you go ranting about the tech used in each form of motion controller, you should know that the wiimote does use a camera, and it is in the wiimote and you point it at the sensor bar which has LED lights that the camera in the wiimote can see. http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[A change in the wind]

The simple fact that he is constantly on damage control shows how poor Natal really is.

[Shane Kim]

Yeah I don't get this guy. It's like Shane Kim is holding his wife at gunpoint and forcing him to say all of this. Either that or he is just plain retarded.

[ManiacMansion]

Move is just a wii motion rip off.

Natal is a completely new step.

[digger18]

BS

Natal is just an updated Eyetoy. Any non-fanboy can see this.

[NateNater]

Are you kidding? Here watch this... http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And here's another one... http://www.youtube.com/watc...

So do you still think Natal is a new step?

[Jerk120]

Where do you get off speaking for non-fanboy when you're a fanboy?

[mxrider2]

theyve been working on MOVE since 2004 before the wii motion was announced...

[Tito08]

So stupid ppl would look at them as Innovators

[JeffGUNZ]

Good logic, than that must mean;

The PS3 Move is an updated wii wand.

[Mario18]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[kewlkat007]

The PS move is nothing we have not seen. I think, it will be easier to hit the ground running if it comes out with a Wii-like package.

Unlike the Eyetoy, MS is really marketing/pushing Natal as a next best thiing(whatever that might mean to most).

In the end, if you have something that is "FUNCTIONAL": It's all about Developer Support My friend.

[Midgard228]

natal is just the new wii, its gonna be a fad if it succeeds, while move is just some optional add on most people wont buy anyway since they think its a wii-rip off.

honestly im not getting any of them, i like real games, not stuff that makes me dance and wiggle my toe.

although playing a new elder scrolls game wud be amazing with MOVE :p drools, thats its only use for me lol

[hash01]

Natal is just a playstation eyetoy, only on xbox360. Yeah, I can now clean windows on my xbox360, with lag!!

[artsaber]

Sony has been toying with 3D motion recognition since Eye of Judgement.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

People keep acting like Natal is the second coming while discounting many of Sony's achievements that are introductions to some of the same tech ideas.

Freakin fanboys.

[butterfinger]

people keep acting like Move is the second coming while discounting many of Nintendo's achievements that are introductions to some of the same tech ideas. It's funny to see the same people that constantly bash the Wii come in here and leg-hump Sony and the Move controller.

[Biggest]

No one is acting like the Move is ANYTHING except Natal lovers that feel the need to validate their breakdancing, body twitching slow-mo cam. The Move was just named and shown with a few types of games. That is all. Sony isn't advertising it yet. The PS3 players haven't expressed any real motivation for the Move. Our "excitement", if you call it that, is reserved. Much like the hype for the Move. When it happens, we'll see. Until then. . . BAM!

[PLASTICA-MAN]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

There are many more, but fanbabies will never admit that !

Edit: @ butterfinger below, yes you are right, the first and third videos are hilarous, especially at the end showing "2004" !

[butterfinger]

are pretty hilarious actually. I really enjoyed how they had the quotes from an MS employee saying how this has never been seen in any consumer electronic before, then they show a clip of the exact thing being done on the PS2. If Sony wanted to go really low, they could make that third video an ad on TV. That would be a little bit too close to politics, though. lol.

[butterfinger]

how sad it is to see all of these PS3 fanboys on here trying to claim that Natal is the same as the PS Eye. If you believe that Natal is the same as the PS Eye, then Move is the same as Wii Motion Plus. Why don't you stop being so scared about what the other consoles bring to the table and start focusing on how much fun you will have with your new device when it comes out? The "Gamer Zone" should be renamed to "PS3 Fanboys Say Whatever They Want Without Threat of Banishment Zone".

[hash01]

...the Move is a very late wii-mote clone! Go get them!!

[Midgard228]

yeeeaaaah ur almost right, tho i dont care for move i do see one huge difference.

ps3= next gen console, wii = last gen console.

also its optional for the ps3, while wii just focus'ss on this and whindes up with tons of shovel ware,

whats nice about next gen is that it looks nice, plays nice and we get to see sonys 1st party devs use this stuff, like naughty dog and media molecule.

come on dude, oblivion with Move wud be awesome.

all the rest of facts aside ur right, its just wii lacks that next gen Umph!. my opinion atleast, ur feel to explain if u disagree tho

[artsaber]

But is it so hard to admit that many of the EyeToy games did a lot of the same stuff on screen? Remember the EyeToy Party game, up to 4 players? Sure Natal is an improvement, well dammit, shouldn't it be? EyeToy released so many years ago, I can't remember when exactly.

The question is this though... Is Natal the VAST IMPROVEMENT over the Eye Toy as they claimed? The so-called Minority Report for gamers? hate to be a doubter, but the tech demos ain't so glossy. And the removal of Natal's processor dashed much of my optimism about the device.

That doesn't mean that Natal will be trash... but I think hardware-wise, I can compare it to Fable 2 software-wise. If you don't expect the 2nd coming of Christ with natal, you will have a MUCH better chance of enjoying it. This is how I enjoyed the hell out of Fable2. I didn't listen to Molyneux's hyped bullshyt when he was claiming the dog was the most intelligent AI on the planet - some kind of alien AI, etc. the way he was leading on. The truth is, people say anything to try and sell a product, when a lot of times it is not even necessary. The TRUTH about Fable2 would've been enough for most people who purchased it to do so anyhow.

People are hyping Natal out of its good graces by overpromising. Especially since it had its brain removed due to expenses. People are doubtful, the 360 is having trouble keeping up with PS3 games with everything its got... then you REMOVE processor power due to Natal uses, people have a legitimate concern on how games will look, play, and what kind of lag is involved.

It would be different if there weren't multiple videos testifying to this fact. Personally, I am still optimistic about Natal to some degree, but everyone on this site knows, that if Natal had a shred of chance living up to its full potential/hype... it needs its processor. I know it, you know it, and this whole site does too.

I know there are some 360 fans who are silently disappointed with the processor being removed. Its ok, I understand, I am somewhat disappointed too. If Natal coulda kept its processor, I would've been willing to pay $25 - $30 more dollars for it... but I am not everyone, and Microsoft is fronting the money for that risk. But then again, Microsoft has blown money on much more stupid risks and investments. IMO, the Natal processor would've been as solid an investment they have made in the last 5 plus years.

[VINNIEPAZ]

The Sony fanboys here are running crazy. Watch how many disagrees we get lol. I even said in a GoW 3 thread that Dantes Inferno was a great game to me, even thought GoW 3 is going to kill it I still had fun with it. And guess what, I got tons of disagrees lol.

I swear Sony fanboys diss anything that isnt 1st party. They must only play GoW, Gran Turismo, Kill Zone. Every other game that fall in those genres are crap right?

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

The problem with the PS3 Fanboys, is that they bring more solid and factual statements. That is why they are so annoying for you.

[Optical_Matrix]

No one is scared. I personally, just find it hilarious that 360 fanboys will defend Natal to no end. When we haven't seen any of the blockbuster titles or next gen tech that "beats" PSeye. NOTHING. Not even at GDC. It's just pure hype and speculation. And I personally find it pathetic. Until MS show games and tech that surpass what PSEye, then you guys can talk.

[butterfinger]

Why would PS3 fanboys bringing facts be annoying to me, a strong PS3 supporter? I guess I'm too much of a realist, and not enough of a blind fanboy like yourself. Oh well, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing, and you can keep dry-humping a plastic box. We'll see who is the first to get burned. ;)

[JonnyBigBoss]

Because requiring a large empty room and having to make ridiculous gestures to do anything is fun. Right?

[tudors]

"Because requiring a large empty room and having to make ridiculous gestures to do anything is fun. Right?"

Yes if you are a fun person, not so much for you i'm afraid.

[sid4gamerfreak]

The fact that Molyneux is so defensive shows how threatened he really is. The move is going to be victorious against natal just like how the ps3 is with the 360.

[CliffyB]

just like PS3 is with the 360" You sir are more correct than you know.

[Whitefox789]

It doesn't seem like Molyneux is biased against the Playstation Move, "As a designer it's another one of those things I'd love to get my hands on and to play around with." Also he considers The Move being more for the core audience while Natal is for the casual market, "This is purely me talking personally, but I think maybe it's slightly more a device for the core than it is for the casual market, because I think it's quite precise."

So I really don't see what people are upset about.

[Quadrix]

Natal is definitely more unique, whereas the Move is nearly an exact replica of the Wii Remote w/ Nunchuk setup, but I still doubt Natal will succeed without analog sticks.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

It is like Eyetoy or PS Eye never exist to say: Natal is more unique.

[butterfinger]

of the Wii, the Natal is an exact copy of the EyeToy - simple as that.

[nygamer28]

ok wasnt there an article yesterday saying he was interested in the sony move??

[MisterNiwa]

It IS a bigger step than Move!

A bigger step BACKWARDS to the age of the Play Station 2 when EyeToy was released.

[redsquad]

Surely the 'big' 360 games require something in your hand to play them? HALO is am FPS, so how can you play it empty handed? Supply your own broomstick?

Can't say I'm convinced that I need ANY motion control system to be honest, but seeing the demo of Move with SOCOM 4 piqued my interest. I can't imagine doing that with nothing in my hands at all, though - I'd just feel too detached.

[nygamer28]

ok heres the article

http://n4g.com/tech/News-49...

[HIGGINZOB]

This thread is full of fanboys. All acting as if their opinion is fact. I don't think that you realize some people enjoy turd like Eyetoy, Natal, and move.

Personally I dislike any gimmicky product and prefer controllers, but there is a big majority who like it. Just look at Wii sales if you don't agree with me.

But for hardcore gamers, Move and Natal will be fun, but they will collect dust fast. Really fast.

[tudors]

the more you show your jelousy, what is with this place at the moment, you don't need to keep defending move, if it does the job for you that's great, but it is not in the same league as Natal, I for one will not be buying Natal if the removal of the CPU means that we get nothing like we were told, but if it delivers in the way we hope it can and hopefully will then this is no step backwards as you suggest.

[sarshelyam]

...no different than your defense of it I'd say.

[artsaber]

I think the issue is that Natal was supposed to be a big jump. To reduce costs, Microsoft decided to remove the brain/processor and cheat by allocating part of the 360's processor power to translate Natal's instructions.

I would've like to see the "Minority Report" for gamers myself. Hell, I wish Microsoft did a survey and asked users if they'd pay $25-$30 more for Natal if they left the processor in it. My vote is Hell Yes. I believe that removing Natal's processor stole much of the hype and promise made behind the ORIGINAL device that sported that fancy processor. They had me on board for a minute, but taking the processor out has made me skeptical. Shouldn't we be? What is Natal without its brain? Dual cameras connecting via USB with special software instructions programmed into games, borrowing 360 processor power?

I have two logitech cameras, the Orbit actually tracks movement, does facial recognition, etc. and is 8MP. I've had it for years. i am curious to whatever knowledge the Natal insiders have about it, because I haven't been shown much new.

[tudors]

Actually your wrong, I just don't start every topic by pulling a rivals product down just because they are disappointed with they're iteration.

[sarshelyam]

All I'm seeing is PS2's eyeToy 2.0...and crappy gameplay demonstrations of that infernal hand ball jackassery that always, ALWAYS looks laggy.

[HIGGINZOB]

I don't wanna sound like a fanboy, I just want to point out the irony.

Natal=Eyetoy 2.0

Move=Wii 2.0

[hash01]

Except they will both be more expensive...

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi_]

...Milo's crack!!! ;-D

[ApocalypseShadow]

is that we still haven't seen these statements backed up with REAL VIDEOS showing us this BEYOND eyetoy/pseye ability.

it's just like when ps3 first came out and microsoft put out papers saying 360 was more powerful than ps3.but not one exclusive game on 360 looks better than ps3 exclusive games.because if 360 was more powerful,the gaming community would be giving microsoft's games the awards.but in 2 years,sony has garnered the graphics awards hands down.

but as for natal,microsoft couldn't even show up to the DEVELOPER'S CONFERENCE to show even DEVELOPERS that it works.not just gamers.they chickened out because they got nothing.

and that's the bottom line:sony is time and time again,showing that it can do head tracking,it can do voice control,it can do face recognition,it can do full upper body tracking....

BUT MICROSOFT HAS SHOWN NOTHING AS USUAL FOR A HALF TO A WHOLE YEAR JUST LIKE ITS GAMES.

but ps3 fans are dellusional when we are the ones that are seeing real developers and real videos and 360 fans are still talking about TECH PAPERS.

[The real killer]

Yeah, the technology inside the Wii mote is NOT from Nintendo.
The technology from the PS Move is from Sony own technology, and that is the different and innovation is from PS time frame so, what what is your point?

I agree that the hardware is copy, but the inside the hardware (technology) is from Sony and not from Nintendo they have to paid the licentie to another company and inspiration is from the PS2 PS EYE TOY.

So what is your point again? the bottom line is, Sony is one who start first second Nintendo on licentiation and third Microsoft wits buy the technology.

[CJJA]

move will be able to play real games. natal, plays casual family games. while move does both

[tudors]

"move will be able to play real games. natal, plays casual family games. while move does both"

And you have what to back that comment up exactly?

[Biggest]

He has Microsoft saying that Natal will launch with casual titles only. He has the recent GDC showing the Move and the games that are being built/improved to use it. Unless you need Jehovah to come down from heaven and spell it out for you, there is no better backing of a statement.

[Consoldtobots]

are you kidding me? they would just label the God of the Old Testament a Sony fanboy. :/

[Hkaine]

Molyneux is one of the most overrated developers in the whole gaming industry! He never delivered on his promises! He is regarded a a legend without deserving this title. HIs games are without soul and lack personality.
Natal is the biggest misstep in gaming history. People want to feel something material in their hands, which connects them with the game. Only a controller-like device can fully immerse the player. Natal will fail miserably.

[divideby0]

I may have missed it, but I dont recall Sony saying anything about Natal.....is this true ?
PM is known for flapping his gums and underlivering

[jalen247]

Ultimately, Like Peter said...it is up to the developers to make something meaningful with these motion control technologies.

In my opinion based on the facts that I have seen, I believe Sony has created the more inclusive, precise, and robust motion control system.

PS Eye can do 99% of what Natal can do.

PS Move can do more than what a WiiMote can do

PS Eye and PS Move together can do things Natal can't do and things WiiMote can't do.

Besides, who do you trust will have the best electronics between Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo?...think about it...LOL.

And based on quality of first party games this generation, who do you trust will have the best developers and quality assurance to create the best motion controlled games?...again think about it...LOL.

Based on the type of motion control technology who do you think will get the most motion control games from third parties?...again think about it...LOL.

If developers put Natal support in a multiplatform game they can easily put PS Eye support into the game also. If developers put WiiMote support into a multiplatform game, they can easily put PS Move support into the game also.

I am glad Natal is around because now developers will make use of the PS Eye in games. Maybe waving my hand to slap an NPC during an interrogation using voice recognition. This can be done on both Natal and PS Eye.

People are getting hyped for Natal which is fine but do people realize that everything that we have seen Natal do is already possible and has already been done on the EyeToy on PS2 and on the PS Eye on the PS3.

Sony has had algorithms for facial recognition and speech recognition for use with PS Eye for a long time.

Another advantage Sony Move has over Natal is the use of system resources. Sony Move uses less processing power and memory than Natal...meaning more resources are left over for the PS3 to create the game. In other words, Move games will have better graphics, physics, effects, A.I., etc than Natal games.

Furthermore, the Cell processor is a beast at calculations and processing video which will give the PS Eye an edge over Natal from a computational standpoint.

DF talked about some of these things. I am surprised people don't realize how many advantages Sony has when it comes to motion controls. Its pretty obvious to me.

[Consoldtobots]

that's pretty much what Im thinking, the other shoot for the stars but Sony is the only with the experience and know-how to get there. Ultimately this will be remembered as Sony having shown the competition how motion control is really done.

[xc7x]

Xbox only dev saying this,i thought he'd be gushing over the Sony Move instead..next for all we know Zipper will be bragging about Move over Natal but no way,that wouldn't happen right?

[Optical_Matrix]

Ok right so lets weigh in all the facts.

Move: 30/60fps
Natal: 30 fps using up 20-30% of CPU power
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Move: Controller Support
Natal: No Controller support (apart from 360 controller)
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Move: Full Body Tracking
Natal: Full Body Tracking
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Move: Voice Recognition
Natal: Voice Recognition
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Move: 4 person Tracking
Natal: 4 Person Tracking
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Not to mention the fact, due to Natal now lacking a CPU and eating up 30% of the the Xenons power, games like Gears, technically are not possible with full blown Natal games. They will all look like first gen 360 games.
Now how can anyone tell me, after that list of pure facts (no bias) that Natal is a bigger step than Move. Natal is Microsoft playing catchup. Sony has had controllerless gaming since last gen and PSeye, especially Eyepet, prove they have hardware out NOW, that can already do what Natal is doing. Don't believe the hype.

[Bobby Kotex]

I wonder if all the people defending him even realize he works for Microsoft. Regardless of his opinion, he's going to pimp Natal no matter how lame it is.

[jony_dols]

A xbox 360 game designer critizing Sony for lack of orginality.

Because the last time i checked both Natal & Move are blatant rip-offs.

Molyneux speaks the truth, the Natal is quintessentialy original.

[tiamat5]

What it is, is a huge risk.Microsoft is dipping it's toes into uncharted waters. Nintendo and Sony have already have tons of experience in casual gaming. Microsoft knows next to nothing on the subject. Microsoft's games are not as varied as theirs. When you think about it Microsoft's games are basically either shooters or sports. They don't even have a proper platformer, RPG or adventure game under their belt.I mean look how Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts was recieved. Also they most likely won't attract any current Xbox 360 owners. Most of the people I know that have Xbox 360 aren't into the type of games that Microsoft will most likely try to make for the Natal. They are usually shooter fanatics. PS3 owners are closer in scope to Wii owners and will give the Move a more open welcome. However I see nothing but scorn for the Natal from 360 owners whether it works or not

[jalen247]

If Sony was smart they should be working on PS Eye control of the XMB Minority Report style.

This will take the hype off Natal controlling the dashboard.

They should also add some voice recognition like "Play video", Play music" to initiate video and audio playback of files on the XMB

Also "Launch Home" which would launch you into home by voice command.

I hope Sony is working on these things.

If Sony plays their cards right...when PS3 Move and Natal launch with their respective features everyone will be wondering what was so special about Natal in the first place...

No disrespect to Microsoft but all this talk about Natal being revolutionary is marketing talk because when you look feature for feature things just aren't adding up.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Actually Natal is the DreamEye and so is the Rip-off EyeToy. They couldn't even think of a new name so Sony even stole that.. Now they are doing it again with the Move to Nintendo.

So Sega and Ninty you are the true innovators here the rest are just copy cats.

Now is everyone happy?? Neither Sony nor MS get credit for any of this.

[unknownhero1123]

dang it crab, now you'll have two sets of fanboys after you.

HIDE!

[Consoldtobots]

oh look two FANBOYS trying to pass themselves off as real gamers.

HOW CUTE./s

[Tito08]

Nintendo innovates little things, Sony is also an innovator, why do you think Nintendo went to Sony for the CD technology, but instead chose to go to Philips, but nothing happened, they still went to the very old fashioned cartridge for the N64, because remember, Sony are generally an electronics company, nintendo is mostly games, so Sony has an idea of what's innovation more than Nintendo!!!!

You can say Nintendo is the innovator, but the rest of companies advances that same technology.... Look at the controllers, 1 analog stick for N64, dual analog for PS1, 2 shoulder buttoms for SNES, 4 shoulder buttoms for PS1, a separate rumble adaptor for N64, rumble built in for PS1....Of course nintendo are first at everything, wow, but not a big deal to me, Sega was despite being out of the console business, a better company than Nintendo, even Sony and Microsoft are better than Nintendo, Nintendo only likes to be first at everything!!!!!

[LinuxGuru]

PlayStation Move has much more accurate motion tracking, so far. It's a shame the processor was removed from Natal...now it's almost certain we'll have interface lag...sigh.

[DJ]

The law of new input devices is that you shouldn't be taxing the console's hardware. And removing Natal's internal chipset is already causing some pain for developers who were hoping to add Natal support to titles already in development. But since it eats up 15~20% of the CPU's power, they need to basically create titles from scratch that won't perform/look as good as their non-natal companions.

[DJ]

Natal is a whole new ballgame, while Move is simply a refinement of the Wii-mote and nunchuck. The only thing that's going to hold Natal back though is physical input and feedback, which is far more accurate than what a camera can pick up on.

Even motion capture studios rely on over a hundred cameras in order to accurately pick up every individual's movement, and that's WITH tracking markers all over their bodies. The fact that Natal has to do the exact same thing with just two cameras (from what I remember) and no tracking markers is quite a feat.

I hope Microsoft can pull it off successfully for all game types, not just "casual party games".

[Optical_Matrix]

In what way is Natal a whole new ball game. What can Natal do that the competition do now that its locked 30fps, no CPU, and uses up 20-30% of the 360's processing power. What have you been shown to back this up? What killer apps have you been shown to back this up? That's right. None. Natal is nothing but hype AS OF NOW. Sony camp has something to talk about. Microsoft has yet to justify their hype as they've shown NOTHING but concept demo's.

[tiamat5]

Just more proof that Microsoft's claims just don't add up. There are too many questions. Following motion usually takes a whole, studio to track it perfectly. And Microsoft wants you to believe that 1 or 2 cameras can track ever move you make perfectly no matter how fast or slow you move, no matter how many people, in any light, recognize every item in you hand or every gesture you make without lag on or off line, without any mistake or misunderstanding with every game made by several different game companies. Come on Microsoft, where is the proof?

[CliffyB]

Move is the pathetic "hail mary" of a dying company without new or innovative ideas. Natal, while not for everyone, is a legitimate and exciting step forward. Move will be "moved" into obscurity in a matter of months thanks to poor sales and zero interest. Natal will be a huge success this holiday season. Strong sales will lead to a wide range of developers supporting it with new and innovative games. The good news for Sony is PS3 will always have strong support on N4G. Unfortunately these bored children don't buy games, as they are too busy making childish postings like the one from Sir Ken Kutaragi above me.

[maniacf40]

fixed*

[KeiserSosay4788]

Arguably......yes

[bjornbear]

they are both equally sized steps in different paths towards the same destination.

of course Natal's "steps" are laggy...for now =(

[cool cole]

Actually, I think jakethemuss is right, Sony wants to attract casual gamers and hardcore gamers alike, with a bunch of family games for the casual, and hardcore games like Socom 4 for, well, the hardcore.

[callahan09]

He looks kind of like Pee Wee Herman.

[Dark_king]

The PS eye is also capable of 120fps although the resolution drops.

[stuntman_mike]

whatever molyneux said he's just a GOBSHITE mouthpeace, when this guy opens his mouth shares at MS fall they need to tape this guys mouth up or put a zip on it (like zippy).

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Absolutely. MOVE is just a straight copy of Wii's motion sticks. Play Beyond? More like Play Behind. Motion sticks is old news. NATAL on the other hand is changing the way games will be played. Lots of excitement is coming from top developers because of NATAL. Nobody is interested in MOVE.

[Biggest]

You're so right. No one is interested in the Move. Especially not Peter Molyneux.

"As a designer it's another one of those things I'd love to get my hands on and to play around with."

-A made up quote from a made up interview with a fake Peter Molyneux-

[Primetimebt]

Really? Before you write something you should actually do some research look up playstation eyetoy games and you will see Natal is a copy of eyetoy.

[Anarki]

Yeah, say that again when you're not under microsoft's "influence" >.>

[3sq]

Natal is so 2002(The year PS Eye Toy was first demonstrated to the public). :P

[Primetimebt]

I like the idea of Natal but the problem that I see is it going to take a whole new writing system for a game. You already seen Wii ports moving over to playstation move but it would be interesting to see what happens. I have a feeling it will end up being a whole bunch of mini game like the playstation eyetoy games I use to play where you used your hand to move balls across the screen.

[NeloAnjelo]

Yeah I agree its a bigger step, but I still hate this Molyneux Douche.

Still not getting the Move nor Natal. Give me a virtual visor... YEAH!

[kraze07]

...is one huge step backwards in terms of hardcore gaming.

[kirajc]

If they can make Natal perfect than yes it might be better then Move. Move was a stupid ID on Sony's part because its a copy of something already on the market. I own a ps3,I will not be buying Move.

[CherryLu-Chan]

On the one hand how Sony attempts to not only snare the casual gamer, but as to whether they [and developers] will attempt to push the boundaries of what such a controller can do with the extra graphics and processing power.
How they choose to market the wand should be interesting within those dualities too.

Of where this leaves Nintendo and what their next step will be, if their niche regarding control is now being done elsewhere. Will it be a HD Wii, a more powerful version or indeed put all their eggs in the basket of a new console to compete.

And of how natal compares to both. Potentially it could really blow both out of the water, but that is only potential at this point.

Within all of the above, it's all about the games - and having three companies attempt to outdo one another and knick things on another step can only be good for all of us, no matter which console you prefer or lean towards.

[SRT4Chris401]

Considering he was the idiot showcasing a fake vid of a a woman talking to a fake child....

[Guitardr85]

Haha, literally!!! You have to move around with Natal. I don't know about everyone else, but after working 11 hour days and walking I don't know how many miles with all of the steps I take, I would much rather just sit and play a game with a controller!!!

But I guess lazy people just wouldn't understand that, loL!