Recently a new patent by a SONY employee was published, it seems it is Sony's response for Geohot's latest PS3 hack.
I find this patent pointless. This patent does not stop Geohot in any way. Hackers don't revolve around the law, a patent will not slow his progress.
but perhaps Sony wanted the patent so they can more easily seek legal action against Geohot.
Most likely, but didn't he do it before any patent was filed therefore rendering him innocent. Apple couldn't make a case against him, so I doubt Sony can. Do you think Sony will try to sue him?
It's not meant to get this dude, cause he's released the info out to the public, however Anyone else who "FOLLOWS" his work in a similar fashion using his way to fully exploit the system, will make it super easy for Sony to sue and win. Now not only potential hackers have to find another method to exploit the system, or hope Geohot continues to do so himself (But he said himself he's moving on).
So if I'm understanding this right (and I'm probably not so please correct me), this basically means hacking the PS3 like this guy is illegal right?
Geohot has not completely moved on. He recently announced that the PS3 is %100 hacked. Him and Xorloser are communicating together still on the PS3. It's funny how Geohot said that Sony can't patch it since it's hardware based so Sony decided to create a patent. lol.
Although this patent was just published, that doesn't mean it wasn't filed 18 months prior (US Patent office doesn't publish patent applications for public viewing until 18 months after filing or unless the company files a petition to publish immediately). Also, the patent would not and cannot be used to punish the hacker in criminal or civil court. A patent is simply a claim to the invention of whatever is described therein. So basically all Sony could do with this patent is pursue legal action or get a piece of the action of people who try to use the described system in the patent. Basically, this patent is either (1) a system is to prevent future hacking of the system against the hacker's described hack; (2) the current hacking prevention system on the PS3 which hasn't been approved of a patent yet or (3) the system Sony plan's to use on other hacker prevention such as the next playstation. To sum it up, this patent probably has nothing to do with the hacker, unless it's to prevent his hacking of their next system, fix their current system, or it's just a coincidence that it was published now.
This patent should be thrown out the window. It's a process of hacking, not patent-worthy.
Sony's patent isn't for a process of hacking, it's a system for preventing hacking. Even so, one could patent a process of hacking if they so desired (a method of performing something is patentable subject matter), it would just be near impossible to prosecute anyone for using their patented process because it would be hard to prove people used the patented process.
Some how I think Sony is playing chess with this dude, more than likely Sony has their legal staff racing around the clock to nail this guy and any other person with the intention of pirating games. I don't see what this patent is doing, it's probably not directed towards Geohot's hack per-say, maybe to scare him a little(slthough why would be scared) they made it more public. The journalist should have went into more detail since he reported it.
But for weeks we've been hearing how "hacked" the PS3 is and/or is becoming...etc, etc. Well.....where's the proof? Where's the youtube vid? Youtube is a click away right? I'm not expecting a full blown pirate hack or a full homebrew app or anything like that, but show me something already. Hell, I'd settle for a simple "HELLO DAVE" or a "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE". Is that too much to ask? Stop telling me the PS3 is hacked and show it already. *rant off now*
Well Geohat "claims" that he would eventually release the steps, I also remember someone distributing a link to steps to hack the PS3. Ofcourse a week later I also heard that the steps failed and no one could play their pirated game because they didn't properly hack it or the hack was incomplete. I wish I had the links.
You guys got it all wrong. Hacked doesn't have to mean it plays burned games. He hacked the hypervisor. You can't just expect to play burned games. Someone has to create an ISO loader. And Xorloser actually released a tutorial on how to do it and the devs at PS3news.com even managed to get dumps.
who cares i still wouldnt waste my time downloading 25gb-50gb of data for one game not even worth it
Back in the day when the PS2 was on top of the modding scene, my friend bought games at the china town for 5 bucks each. Since Blu-ray is more expensive I guess they'd sell for 15-20.
Anyway good job Sony, PS3 is out like 3,5 years (3 in Europe) and still NOT hacked. And by hacked I mean every kid cn play pirated games. And I hope it will not happen anytime soon. And make it even harder to hack with PS4 :).
Yeeah, have fun trying to go threw six keys...lol have fun. Oh BTW, have fun DLing like 18gb iso's.
and the Shyt hits the fan. i am impressed the ps3 has stayed this uncrackable this far. it shows potential for future things. but sony knows its over or else they wouldnt file a patent. once this guys followers get to work its all over. Brilliant minds like him only make the next generation of security 10x better. and also blueray burning seems like it would be expensive. it requires a blueray burner. blue ray disks. software etc. its too early to be pirating ps3 things give it 2 years when everything is dirt cheap like dvds.
But if you are gonna claim "HEY EVERYBODY LOOK AT ME, I'VE HAX'ED THE PS3...YEAH" You better damn well have some kind of proof.... Give me Hal9000.......I'd settle for GLADOS at this point. "Hello Dave" and a Youtube upload can't be that hard to do for a Hacker, right?
lol @everyone thinking this is a patent to sue this guy. This patent is for a new encryption system to prevent unauthorized code from being executed. Probably either an attempt by sony to stop the hackers from making anything usefull out of this in the future or an idea for the PS4. Hell it might even be the current PS3 system and Sony could be releasing it now to show that it cannot be hacked.
geofake hasn't hacked anything, he just found a useless glitch. I assure you this so called hack won't lead to the possibility of playing pirated games or running your apps in gameOS. Moreover it's easy for Sony to patch this glich if they wanted - they just have to remove the OtherOS link from XMB. People at Sony who implemented the PS3 security mechanisms must have a good laugh reading reports about this alleged hack.
It's a patent for a new encryption design. Basically it's a "brute force" protection... but decryption can be done with less steps, but only if you know two encrypt.. It's hard to explain.. Regardless, you guys missed the reason for this whole news article. EDIT: I see a few guys that can read. Glad to see that not everyone just reads the headlines alone. =]
From a legal standpoint, the patent allows for civil and legal liability to be placed against hackers. Particularly damaging is the civil liability. It isn't the violation per se of the patent that is the issue but rather Sony can demonstrate their patent was damaged or made less valuable. How would these hackers feel about having even a small sum levied against them, say $10 Million? How would they like to have every asset they owned seized and have themselves financially wiped out. Contrary to popular belief, many of these hackers have something of a profile and aren't exactly hiding out in a 3rd world country under and alias.
Only American companies sue, Sony is a Japanese company, Sony will send ninja assassins.
LMAO! They are going to get you too for uncovering their plans.
he's no longer invloved.. he made an exploit claiming it was hacked but had a bunch of stuff missing so he gave it to the hacking community so they can progress it.. also its pointless anyway.. it cant be done on slims, it might not be able to be done past the firmware he used and it requires software/hardware and opening up your ps3 lol.. even if this all works out to create game piracy mfor the ps3.. whos so sad and that much of a cheapskate to sit and go through all of this then download over 20gb per game lol..
Someone should hack this guys face, what is he trying to do, is he trying to smile?
If you can completely hack the system like you could on the original XBOX you won't have to download any games. Just go and rent/borrow a bunch of PS3 games and copy them to the easily upgradable PS3 hard drive.With a cheap Tb HD, you can fit a few hundred PS3 games on there.
lol, Sony couldn't find a way to fix the hole so they respond with a patent. As if that is going to stop modders and hackers out there. Look at Microsoft's struggle with "filesharing games" on Xbox 360
We hear the PS3 is 100% hacked, but there's been absolutely no video evidence, no widespread solution for distribution of the hack to the masses, and no confirmation of the hack by Sony. A patent is absolutely meaningless. All a patent does is prevent people from DUPLICATING technology. So, unless Sony patents the hack, what's reported here is not an effort against a hack. If you ask me, the PS3 is still perfectly secure. This guy may have found a neat little glitch in the system, but I really highly doubt that we'll be seeing any progress toward homebrew or pirated software any time in the next year. This dude is just aching to be back in the limelight.
I love how every one is talking about playing pirated games and how they will be MASSIVE downloads that won't be worth it. Who has a Blueray burner anyway? Well first off some one could create an ISO loader that runs off of an external HDD, solving one issue. Also not every one wants to pirate games, IT IS ALL ABOUT TEH HOMEBREW PEOPLE! All of the features that people ask of Sony firmware updates can become a reality through homebrew. In game music? Homebrew.. Cross game chat? Homebrew.. Custom themes? Emulators? Apps? You name it.
recently I tried Chrome, IE8, Firefox 3.5.7 and cant open the page. So I went to google and pasted http://www.haxnetwork.net in the search text. Then I clicked on the 'cahced' page so I can see it and behold the hack information!
The hacker will just say "hey, I was able to do that before the patent was filed" and thus the patent will be thrown out. Or perhaps the patent instead will be rightfully transferred to the hacker? :) One can only hope.
sony knows that this hack works so there trying to scare people away from doing it
All I've seen to date, is a "HACKED UP" PS3. And it looked like a mess, btw.
This is just a simple Console exploit, it will not bring burned games or custom homebrew, another part of the console needs to be hacked for that. The hack geohot found dumps non-important data.
if you want to mod a console get a wii or a ds.
This is in no way a patent setting up a way for Sony to legally go after hackers. All this patent is for is a new method for Sony to attempt to prevent hacking, either in a future firmware update for the PS3 or for use on the inevitable PS4. Even if Sony wanted to sue Geohot they wouldn't be able to. Hacking isn't illegal, just the piracy many people inevitably end up using it for is. It may break the EULA, void the warranty and be cause for ban from PSN but there is no legal action that can be taken.
now bots have to stick to their 100$ arcade :(
because that's approx how much a hack-banned 360 costs on Craigslist....less even. Still not a hack-modded PS3 in sight. true story. http://sfbay.craigslist.org...
seriously if hacked ps3's and pirated games came widely available i still wouldnt buy any of it. first let me stress 1 point..its not because its a ps3 or blu-ray. and i have never owned a chipped ps2 or xbox.i like to think i earn things.pirating cheapens my experience.both on games and movies and music.i work hard all day and when i come home i like to think i earned game time.it gives you an appreciation for what you got. its not about funding terrorisim or gangs.or even stealing from the people who made the game.first and foremost it comes down to my hard work and my joy.and if i havent earned it then, its an empty experience. who wants a £5 pirate copy with a cheap case printed on a cheaper epson printer?that comes with no book!or a cheap cam release of a movie with bad sound?and even poor music with low bit rate sound? game rental..1 week..£5 music single...80p...album £8 bluray movie..1 night..£3.50 or 2 for 2 nights £6 or even go to the movies for... well that is a rip-off
if he lives in a 3rd world country hes probably dead a long time ago. make me wonder why dark alex stopped m33 :D
Spain is not 3rd world country you ignorant.
No, Spain isn't a third world country. Wales on the other hand... Isn't the term "developing world" these days anyway? But, yeah, hiding lout in Rhyl is a far beetr bet than Madrid or Valencia in my book and especially so now they've got clockwork powered dial up in the Valleys and along the North coast(according to my nan!)towards Anglessey! It's even worse here in The Engl;ish Lakes where we do our Email by smoke effin signal.
I live in Jordan, which is a "3rd world" country.. and for ur information u can go here to any store and buy a modded 360 and find pirated games on shelves (u don't even have to download anything, and top games cost less than 7 bucks), but with that said, do u believe that we have way more PS3s sold than 360s even though normal edition PS3 games cost around 90 bucks!!(I bought MAG c.edition for a 100 bucks).. Don't get me wrong, I just have a PS3 now(my 360 RRODed), but those ur making fun off are laughing at u, and enjoying every 360 game out there!
i said IF which means hypothetically. my point is a huge company like sony can take the law into their own hands in countries that are judicially challenged bringing their own justice to someone pioneering a way to exploit their product that could cause them to lose large sums of money.
Actually Sony didn't really "own" anyone. lol
how does this have anything to do with geohot? and not some kind of new hardware that sony wants to create even if it does apply to the ps3, so they file a patent for a security system, and? they never even mentioned the Cell BE or the Playstation 3 in this patent sounds like to me sony's just patenting its security system to be used in any future devices rather than as a response to geohot
That's probably right, that or it's the patent security system on the current ps3 that just happened to be published recently (since patent applications aren't immediately published upon filing unless desired by the company). My reasoning is explained in my above post.
i think what sony is doing. is filing this for its security systems so that when they patch w.e who ever breaks it again can be charged with X or w/e or just my interpretation
Can anyone please tell me how you can disagree about me agreeing?
huh? <---a non hacker..... I say "huh?"
X2 my friend...I have no clue wtf this is about
They wish he would. try and [email protected] with the billianaire.
Perhaps....instead of 'hacking' PS3's,one might hack 'bleak,jobless future full of of uncertainty and meaningless hackery'. Hitherto unknown hacker breaks PS3 coding....Sony responds and the sun sets yet again. Hacker rejoices in random abandon....of anything truly worthwhile. Well done.now what?. Cancer hasn't been cured....games still aren't free....
im not big on hackers but to call unknown is untrue. This is after all the guy who first hacked the iPhone. Ask anyone with a hacked iphone if his work is meaningless
And doesn't he work as the bartender on captain picards ship? Do some research before throwing around false accusations...
How can you release a Patent after the fact... It's like Microsoft make a New patent so you can't custom you xbox 360 case , then start going after everyone
They didn't 'release' the patent after the fact, see my first post in the first thread string for the explanation.
Iceman is right, patent applications and patents take forever. Some additional info, it was filed on August 8, 2008. http://appft.uspto.gov/neta...
That nobody can steal their protection method and use it in their products one company renowned for stealing methods or code is Microsoft
This patent has nothing to do with this exploit (not a hack btw...never got control of the cpu and gpu to work on whatever code he wanted...just saying) but more a way to sell their very, VERY effective anti-console piracy safe guard and make money off of it. Think about it, you are going to make a game for a console and your choices are to either let the pirates eventually download, burn, and image your game on a hacked system (all systems 360 and down) and lose potentially millions of dollars or go to a system that every game played was payed for. A win for publishers is a direct win for console manufacturers...I think MS has shown us that this generation with making their console so darn developer friendly.
I think someone better take this story down. My antivirus software just popped up the site is dangerous. Does n4g.com want to infected our computers? I hope not. If you click on the link make sure you have good antivirus software or you might get attacked. Why is someone disagreeing with this? I got two messages that viruses were blocked. That site is full of viruses and using a PDF hole it appears.
Well, mine won't even let me near the site and plain rejects the link. It's almost as if it's asking me "are you really that dim?"! I guess going to a site with "hacking" or "hackers" in the title is kind of asking for trouble! IDK if it IS unsafe and likely to be full of worms and trojans trying to nick all our info but it really wouldn't be a shock, would it?
I think the viruses are actually on banner ads but now it does just seem to freeze up trying to open. Being a hot story on n4g.com probably killed the site.
Sounds like Sony is just giving itself more legal ground. Setting a president so that they can not only go after individual hacker, but the guy who first developed and released th hack in the first place.