Motion controllers to decide second place in console war

Nick @ PS3Center writes:

Analysts Michael Pachter and Jesse Divnich weigh in on the importance of Sony and Microsoft's upcomingmotion controllers.

[gaffyh]

I still don't see how Pachter thinks Natal will be cheaper than Sony's solution when they are charging $100 for a hard drive!

[Agent Smith]

Wireless Adaptor: $100
Xbox Live Gold: $50
125 Harddrive: $125
Having to buy all this stuff at an expensive price: Too Damn Much

There are some things money can't buy, for everything else there's Mastercard.

[-MD-]

Having to buy? I've had a 360 since launch and the only thing I bought on your list is Xbox Live (for 30$ not 50).

[gaffyh]

@Murder - You don't need to use your multiple accounts to disagree with me. I'm just stating facts, and I saw the PSEye cam with Eyepet for less than the cost of a retail game. So I don't see how the PS3 motion controller + PSEye bundle will be more than ~$60, but I can see that being the case for Natal.

It's undeniable that MS love to rip off their customers when it comes to peripherals, I myself had to by 1 play and charge kit (and one battery only) for ~£40.

[-MD-]

I didn't disagree with you, I actually didn't even read your post I read the guys below yours and responded to it. To prove that I didn't disagree with you allow me to click disagree and bring that 5 up to a 6.

Maybe people don't like you or something.

Edit: I only have one account, I tried making a second one named (Selma Blair) but that was banned like within the hour about a month ago.

[RROD Service_Rep]

So Murder, you've spent $200 or $120(as you claim) for playing online, how does that make u feel?

[-MD-]

Doesn't make me feel anything, 120 bucks over the course of 5 years is nothing (less than 3 dollars a month).

Live is great, there's a reason 23 million people are on it.

[shadowfox]

There's 40 million on PSN!

[captain01]

And yet it still outsells the PS3. PSN is free but LIVE still has more users. X360 is pirated but still sells more sofware. How does Microsoft do it?

[Fox01]

So "RROD Service_Rep" you spent $600 on your PS3, how does that make you feel?

[Conando]

PSN is free, it's on the PSP and PS3, you can sign up for an account online, and multiple accounts are included in that number. Hell, I had at least 4 PSN accounts on my PS3 before I sold it, and I'm sure they're still counted even though I haven't logged in for over a year.

The 23 million number is for Xbox LIVE Gold accounts only. I doubt many people would have multiple paid accounts, now would they? And there's no handheld Xbox console with a 60 million user base that can connect to Xbox LIVE, like the PSP can connect to PSN.

I'd imagine there might be 20 million individual PSN members (connecting from the PS3) tops. And who knows how many of those even play online or have logged in for the past year? If they counted all Xbox LIVE accounts, Gold and Silver, and multiple accounts like Sony does, then there would probably be well over 50 million Xbox LIVE accounts.

[lowcarb]

"There are some things money can't buy, for everything else there's Mastercard."

Totally hilarious.

OT: I seriously hope MS makes all things NATAL and afterwards affordable for everyone. Right now I'm actually kind of interested in seeing what the Arc will offer. Sony may be out to prove a point and bring in all there guns come E3. The sad thing is no matter what either of them do Nintendo is still going to be on top. Sure wish MS pushed rare to really make Banjo 360's mascot.

edit fox01: thanks for trolling! ;)

[Fox01]

X360's mascot is a green Power Ranger. Banjo doesn't stand a chance against it.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

And most of you are right

[Digitaldude]

Why is everyone giving motion controls so much attention?

[lowcarb]

"Why is everyone giving motion controls so much attention?"

Because people are interested in motion controls! There not replacing standard controllers so unless your interested why talk about it?

[RROD Service_Rep]

"So "RROD Service_Rep" you spent $600 on your PS3, how does that make you feel? "

Now that you bring it up, good because I know I didn't spend $400 for a 360 + $200 on Live + $100 for a wifi adapter, and still not have bluray or media card readers or an HDMI port.

btw, I made no claims that I bought a launch ps3. I was responding to Murderdolls claims that he didn't spend much on overpriced "accessories" for his 360.

[mikeslemonade]

It decides first place because the Wii doesn't count. Nintendo is dead after this generation anyway.

[we won]

LOL Sony, Sony supporters and Sony fans think Sony's offering is in the same league as Natal. Natal will crush Sony's wand in hype, sales, demand, appeal, adoption.

[Megaton]

Microsoft left that Kool Aid out for everyone, okay? Don't just drink it all yourself.

[TheBand1t]

LOL @ this 360 fanboy who actually thinks Natal will pull a Wii.

Note: This is not directed at those who are genuinely excited over the prospect of Natal, only those of a rabid nature who think it means the end of the competition.

[-MD-]

I don't think anybody would argue which motion controller is going to be more successful between Natal and the wand.

Then again, this is N4G.

[gauntletpython]

I think the Wand could do well, just because it's so similar to the Wii. People know what to expect - it's like the Wii in HD.

Natal is definitely more innovative, but we still don't know squat about it.

[RROD Service_Rep]

Natal = pre alpha product. They don't even have a version ready for mass production.

Microsoft is trying to get it out as early as possible so they can claim the casuals the wii hasn't taken. I wouldn't be surprised if its launch titles are ricochet and 5 shovel ware titles + UI integration.

[gauntletpython]

What can you say about the PS3 wands? All they have are rehashes of Resident Evil and LBP...

[THC CELL]

Natal will go down the hddvd path. Ps eye been out years

[ReBurn]

And it's got what? Four? Five games? Most of which nobody has even heard of.

Yeah, that thing's been setting the world on fire. Not bashing you, THC. But there has never really been great support for peripherals like this, so I don't see how they'll decide anything.

[Conando]

Oh, I must be maistaken. I didn't know that the PS Eyetoy could do trillions of calculations in three dimensions 30 times a second.

[TheBand1t]

The question is Conando, could it do that before or after the chip was removed from the device?

[RROD Service_Rep]

I didn't know Natal could do that either. I thought all the raw processing went to the 360.

The PS Eye could easily replicate what Natal does through a simple firmware update because Natal is mostly software based.

And you know what? The ps3 could do Natal with less lag 360 because of its ultra fast XDR memory and its uber fast SPE calculations.
See lagless Eyepet vs Laggy Pre Alpha Natal

[starchild]

Completely bogus. Companies would not spend millions of dollars trying to create something if the damn eyetoy could do the same thing.

Eyetoy cannot sense in 3 dimensions, it does not have the predictive software that accurately tracks and predicts the trajectory of your movements as you are doing them, it can't accurately track up to 4 people at a time, it doesn't have advanced voice recognition, and so on and so forth.

Natal is a new technology. That is why the Israeli company was working on it and that is why Microsoft has invested so much money in developing it.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

I think is better the proyect in development for Recogniction Face/Voice and gameplay with Hand and Body only, and that is with PS3 development.

The ARC Controller, looks good, but I prefer the 1st option.

Natal looks good too.

[keysy420]

all sony needs to do is have the arc thing extend into a light sabre on a commercial 3 times a week and its over, every one will come at the masses to become DarkVader, or a jedi. But its sony marketing who knows. or have a real sword fighting game where its true as life one false move and you could be decapitated that is what they need to show to win this thing we seen the gun with the wii which is terrible bring on the hd true to life zelda and this console war is over even nintendo can't compete with such a title.

[sashimi]

Motion controls will decide nothing, It is secondary to a regular control nothing else(unless it is the wii).

[MajesticBeast]

Wiicrowd is taken simple as that, i don't see soccer mom or grandma and grandpa buying another console for what's basically the same experience.

[Conando]

If second place in the console war will be determined by motion technology, then the 360 will take 2nd with no competition, since Natal is light years ahead of anything Sony has planned. Natal is supposed to revolutionize gaming like the leap from 2D to 3D.

[BubbleSystemSuck]

light years ahead of anything Sony has planned?

mmm.... like "Eye Toy"?

[Neo604]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I'm not convince with these.

[GSpartan777]

That video made my day.

[MajesticBeast]

Bah Bah Bah Bah she could do the sound of any gun at the end she sounds like a chicken.

[bigjclassic]

second place. When has 2nd place been so important ever??

[jdigitalseven]

There are only 2 consoles this gen, Wii has PS2 tech (if that) and games are very limited. The 360 and PS3 are the only consoles of this gen. They came out with a Sega Genesis that had some games on it already, plus it takes old cartridges...should that be considered "this gen" too?

[TheBand1t]

No, I'm fairly certain that the Wii is a console too. (More specifically, it's the console whose market that MS and Sony are now trying to get a cut of, much to my ire.)

Besides, both the 360 and PS3 are using outdated PC tech. So to claim one system isn't a console due to limited hardware is asinine.

[BWS1982]

you don't know the spec's of the Wii, do you? Judging the caliber of the majority of the software is not the same as judging the capacity of the hardware.