Tecmo Koei Posts $20M Loss, Blames Wii Despite Miyamoto Support

Koei Tecmo posted a 1.84 billion yen ($20.4 million) loss in its third quarter, blaming the results on poor Wii sales of Samurai Warriors 3. The publisher's major Wii title, despite star power support from Miyamoto and others, failed to attract Japanese gamers.

[IanCube]

It's hard to find reviews for this game, but I'm surprised considering Miyamoto and Japanese superstar GACKT supported the game so publicly.

[Aquanox]

Damn, Itagaki jumped the boat just on time :P

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

Not only that, but it will probably get worse for Tecmo now that Itagaki is gone.

He was the single shining star in the company that made Tecmo any good games. Hayashi on the other hand as far as I know hasn't made any games from scratch yet so it remains to be seen....

Can't believe for only a $100-200k they would let Itagaki go. That is fairly easily earned yearly by a good game designer let alone a veteran like Itagaki whom made DoA and rebooted NG series.

Looking forward to Itagaki's next game!

[Blaze929]

This is what happens when you have a public case about one of your lead developers not being happen then freakin' merges with a company who continuously makes the same game over...and over...and over again.

Itagaki definitely departed at an excellent time. I wonder if Microsoft picked him up yeah to develop games on the 360. If not, wonder what the hell he's doing now. I know him and a few colleagues from Tecmo were starting a new company - that's all we know.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

and dont see myself buying any tecmo games any time soon(like quantum trash).

[Bnet343]

I'm glad. Every since Itagaki left, Tecmo can rot. You can't cheat your franchise developer like that. Hope they keep losing money with the Dynasty/Samurai/Gundam/CatPoo Warriors 783457. /vent

[qface64]

i bet allot of people will just read the tittle then start blaming the wii without even reading the article or using much common sense

[sikbeta]

Hey Guys at Tecmo-Koei, the best thing you can do is put that damn-mess copycat game for the wii too, I can't assure you anything, but you can Try lol

[GiantEnemyCrab]

haha Tecmo a shell of what you once were.. Itagaki is prolly kicking back in his shades right now with a grin on his face.

[IanCube]

True that, they passed up that Square Enix merger too!

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

Square Enix probably would have been a better deal for shareholders than Koei, but I guess they were at a disadvantage when it comes to negotiations with SE.

[IanCube]

Who will pick up this game when it hits the US?

I think I might...

[Gen0ne]

Me too.

[bigjclassic]

I think everyone as gamers have moved on from these mindless games.

[IanCube]

That's what I thought too, but I haven't been able to find any reviews from Japan of the game, anyone have links?

[Tony P]

It scored quite well in Famitsu: 9/8/9/8

Link: http://www.nintendoeverythi...

[Bnet343]

Japan buy the Dynasty Warriors game the same way casual gamers in North America buy Wii Fit and Carnival Games.

[maniacmayhem]

Yes blame the Wii for lack of content, poor sales and mediocre games.

Besides Ninja Gaiden, what did this company put out?

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

Dead or Alive.

Which in my opinion is one of the best 3D fighting games around, the same with Ninja Gaiden. Both basically created by Itagaki.

I really miss that guy, if only some company hired him but he is so c0cky and considering how the Japaneses are unless he comes to the US or create his own company I don't think he'll find any more jobs.

[Gen0ne]

... until after Other M.

[IanCube]

Trust me, that game can't release soon enough for them.

[Gen0ne]

If I knew the release date, I'd be counting the days.

[SpoonyRedMage]

Wait what!?

The game may have underperformed(I have no idea?) but I very, very much doubt that its budget was anywhere close to $20 million. It'd also mean that all their other titles broke even exactly and that'd be if the game didn't sell at all.

To claim that the one game is responsible for that loss is ludicrous.

[IanCube]

They also blew millions marketing the game in Japan too, don't forget. They had to pay Japanese superstar GACKT to market it, do voice work, appear in commercials, and compose music for it.

They even had a weekend festival where GACKT played music from the game live, that's like paying Bon Jovi to do a special concert for the launch of some game here....I could see that costing several million alone.

[SpoonyRedMage]

True, but enough to erase all the profits from all their other games and then lose $20 million more. It's doubtful even with the ads and Gackt that it had a budget over $20 million(the majority of games don't) and definitely not so much more than that to erase all profit from other games(including Ninja Gaiden 2 Sigma which should have cost peanuts).

[orakga]

20 million does not represent what Dynasty Warriors 3 lost. It's what the company as a whole lost.

Even when they don't have any games, they still need to pay salaries for the employees and rent for office spaces and whatnot. 20 million represents the gap between what their games made this quarter and what the company spent as a whole, including what they spent on DW3.

it's just how things go...

[SpoonyRedMage]

But they're blaming Samurai Warriors 3 for the $20 million loss. In which case they lost a millions upon millions on the game or they were expecting to make millions upon millions on the game which means it had either a criminally small budget(which wasn't the case) or they expected it to become the next Modern Warfare(which is just plain silly).

Either way, pinning the blame on a sole title is idiotic and finding a scapegoat. I'd say that applies to pretty much any game(except maybe Shenmue).

EDIT: Surely with what you're saying the blame should be pointed at management or employing too many people.

[asdr3wsfas]

"Either way, pinning the blame on a sole title is idiotic and finding a scapegoat. I'd say that applies to pretty much any game(except maybe Shenmue)."

rofl, I just bought shenmue 2 today and it came with the movie ;)

You're exactly right. Few businesses have the guts to ask themselves if they made a bad game when they don't sell. It's a natural human instinct.

[orakga]

On a logical, isolated sense, I agree with you that the blame shouldn't be put on the game, but management itself. Yes, if you really want to be cold about it, Koei should have just fired half their staff, instead of hoping that DW3 would make enough money to cover all their ongoing (non-dev) expenses.

But that's not quite a realistic approach now, is it?

Let me put it in another way. It costs Activision 800 million dollars to keep all the non-developer staff employed each year. Thankfully, they have monsters like GH and MW that keep their financial needs fulfilled.

But if MW2 had flopped this year (as unlikely as that would have been), don't you think Activision would have blamed their annual losses on "disappointing MW2 sales"? That has nothing to do with the fact that MW2 costs only 20-30 million to make. They would STILL blame their 200-300 million loss on MW2, because MW2 was expected to make 500+ million in sales, and because that was how they were planning to make all the money they needed for that year.

... I hope that makes sense.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm only trying to explain what it is that Koei is saying.

[Somnipotent]

developers should quit wasting their time on the wii... very few games have been profitable on the system, a majority being nintendo published... when will they learn?

[asdr3wsfas]

54 third party wii games have sold over a million copies.

Hey, how'd lair and wipeout hd turn out?

[XXXCouture]

just make a good project zero 5 tecmo

[hatchimatchi]

ditto

i have an import of mask of the lunar eclipse on it's way. Can't wait to play it. You know there's an english patch for it right?

[maniacmayhem]

Bring back Deception!

[cervantes99]

Actually, I secretly hope for more Wii games to tank at retail.

I am so tired of this casual push and want these Devs to put their money behind the PS360 where the real gamers are.

Providing the game concept is good :)

[Gen0ne]

It seems a though we share the same secret. Although, I always want Zelda, Star Fox and Metroid to do well.

[orakga]

I try not to say this in public, but since we have two people who already stepped out of the closet, let me join in.

Demon Blade Muramasa is perhaps THE MOST beautiful game I've played in recent years (actually, correction; I made my wife play it while I work on DA:O). But I'm constantly cringing at the 480p graphics because I KNOW their assets could have supported 720p or 1080p (they're scanned 2D artwork). Had that been on either the 360 or PS3, I would have insisted on playing it myself, but alas... SD graphics simply don't cut it for me anymore. They're so ten-years-ago...

Now, I understand that production costs are considerably higher on the high-def systems, but they aren't THAT much higher, especially when we're talking about 2D games like Muramasa. I'm fairly certain that Muramasa would have garnered MUCH better unit sales on the high-def systems at a small increase in production cost; and I'd say VanillaWare would have had much better results (i.e. profits) that way.

Oh well... I can only hope that after this generation, people (devs) will know better than to bet on "Casual".

[Gen0ne]

But while I was playing it, I couldn't help thinking," ... I wish this was a least 720p." Anyone saying HD doesn't matter, probably doesn't own a HD tv. Or they are in fact casual gamers, so they don't care about that. And 720p is not that big of a tech leap to achieve. I'm not asking for PS3/360 graphics ( though that would be nice ) I just want Samus to look that much better. Metroid would probably benefit the most from an HD face lift too. Followed closely by Zelda.

[asdr3wsfas]

"And 720p is not that big of a tech leap to achieve"

Then why can't halo 3 or MW2 do it? Halo 3 is 640p with no AA (though 64 bit lighting) and MW2 is 600p.

"Anyone saying HD doesn't matter, probably doesn't own a HD tv. Or they are in fact casual gamers, so they don't care about that."

I have a 40 inch hdtv. I own all 3 systems. Most people who don't care were/are pc gamers who had 1080p natively rendered 3 years ago. We think of you as our clueless little brothers.

Like HD systems do much better. ps3 killed factor 5 with lair and half a million sales. NMH got a sequel with that. Wipeout hd devs just shut down. Blazblue sold nothing. 54 third party wii games have sold over a million with much cheaper development costs. From the way you talk about graphics I can tell you're not programmers though...

"Now, I understand that production costs are considerably higher on the high-def systems, but they aren't THAT much higher, especially when we're talking about 2D games like Muramasa."

The art has to be much more detailed in HD graphics. Your entire argument is about taking a smaller budget title like muramasa and making it cost a lot in the hopes it sells more? It's easy to double down on someone else's money.

[N4g_null]

That's funny demon blade sure does look good on my dlp samsung. Really good sd support was what I was looking for after I got into hdtvs. I can't stand how all the other tvs display sd content worst than my old school big screen Sony trinitron. DLP is like free AA and it smooths all the curves out too really sick.

I've had countless people come over and shout you got an hd wii no f'ing way. I get perks but I don't think any one has one of those. I really wish more gamers would upgrade to dlps or led elwith the same tech. I mean the hd systems are not even true hd most of the time.

I understand though no one told you their where beter tvs.

On topic temco needs to remeber their arcade roots. Hd development may kill the entire company along withh exess spending. I don't think capcom spent 20 million on mhtri yet they crushed tecmos numbers just in japan.

[orakga]

LOL at you. Just repeating the same old talking points that are entirely irrelevant and untrue.

Yes, it costs exponentially more money to make a FULL HD game (1080p that is). But that's not what I was saying at all. Demon Blade's assets suffer from the 480p output. You might be right in that the underlying assets may not be detailed enough for 1080p or 720p, but even if they ran it at only 640p, it'd still look drastically clearer than what it does right now.

Again, WITH THE SAME ASSETS THEY ALREADY HAVE, they could easily create a 640p or 720p version that looks much better. This would come at only a fraction of additional costs (and this is not a speculation).

Let me give you an example.

The God of War collection that just came out. Do you REALLY think that game cost that much more to make than the original games? No. They practically re-used the same assets from GoW1 and GoW2, but ran them through an upgraded engine. The fractional cost increase was minimal. Resistance 1 was basically a PS2 game that ran on the PS3 (the game was using SD assets/textures)

And for every example you gave for failed HD products, I can match you with titles that did just fine. Fat Princess. All the Pixel Junks. Super Stardust HD. Capcom's HD-remixes.... those are all HD games, but didn't cost too much because devs didn't over-aim at the design phase. The budget was well-controlled, and they saw huge returns and profits as a result.

Your assumption that an HD-game somehow always costs too much to make a profit is simply WRONG. Take it from someone who actually deals with videogame production budgets; you have no clue what you're talking about.

[asdr3wsfas]

"The God of War collection that just came out. Do you REALLY think that game cost that much more to make than the original games? No. They practically re-used the same assets from GoW1 and GoW2, but ran them through an upgraded engine. The fractional cost increase was minimal. Resistance 1 was basically a PS2 game that ran on the PS3 (the game was using SD assets/textures)"

God of war is 3d rendered. Muramasa is handdrawn. You have to hand draw muramasa much more precisely and in more detail for HD or at least fix it on the computer after scanning it. You can't just draw crap and let it scan. Computers digitize and pixelate pictures and so there are complicated algorithms to determine what pixels to fill in to make lines look smooth - that's the entire basis of antialiasing. In reality all the lines are little staircases at the pixel level. Figuring this all out costs lots of money compared to SD where the hand drawn art is good enough at lower levels of detail.

With 3d rendered games that aren't entirely sprite based you mainly up the pixel counting loops in the algorithms to account for the additional pixels. Ever write a ray tracer? You just up the resolution in the engine to match the increased pixels used in display resolution. In the case of a ray tracer this just involves changing bounds on a for loop. Textures in GOW don't even approach the detail in a SINGLE BUSH in muramasa and present LITTLE TO NO comparable challenge in upscaling. You don't notice as much because it lacks all the fine detail that makes muramasa stand out as a game!

When you use 2d sprites you can't do that because you're scanning hand drawn objects. To make them look good in 2d you have to handdraw them that much more accurately and pay the artists for it or deal with it after the fact with computer editing!

Did you just compare a 3d rendered game to a handdrawn 2d sprite game to make your point?

Yes, you did list several examples of successful HD games. That gets at my point - one example of a failed wii game doesn't mean anything. You look at the broader context. Like 54 million selling third party games and the pure trash devs pump on the wii. That was the subtle point I was making and apparently you missed it entirely.

Talking points? The wii has talking points that don't involve insulting it? I own all 3 systems. It doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

Cute comparing the art in **SF2** to **Muramasa** like the complexity in upscaling is equivalent. SF2 HD looks like total crap for a reason. They used the same sprites that were far less precise and blurrier than HD resolution allows for! Fat princess...an artistic masterpiece. The detail of muramasa destroys these other titles and it's not as easy to just upscale willynilly and blur, lose, and pixelate the hell out of it. The closest comparison is blazblue and that sold SO WELL that it really demonstrated a market for beautiful 2d sprite games on HD systems.

"Your assumption that an HD-game somehow always costs too much to make a profit is simply WRONG. Take it from someone who actually deals with videogame production budgets; you have no clue what you're talking about."

I never actually said that. I mentioned reasons why people would keep it on the wii instead that involve limiting dev costs to ps2 levels. You can certainly profit and many have. But programming the in order execution cores on the 7 SPUs in the cell without direct memory access causes obvious parallelism issues that drive up costs dramatically and it's really cute how you sweep over that.

The other point here is that big studios failing on the ps3 are ignored but when a studio fails on the wii the system is blamed. Actually it's the moron devs who pump out crap no one wants for an audience they look down upon.

If you need an additional 120p to enjoy muramasa then I have no idea what is wrong with you, but I suggest you learn what the audience wants so you don't waste that money on crap no one cares about. You know all my friends with xboxs don't have HDTVs? Did you guys all forget you sell products to others and not yourselves?

[asdr3wsfas]

(continued)

Dude, if you wanna see your point demolished in a sentence just go look at ace attorney on wiiware. Why is it so pixelated? They used the sprites from the DS version and that was lower resolution resolution than the wii! It looks great in lower resolution and like total crap upscaled. It's a handdrawn 2d sprite game like muramasa and not some 3d rendered crap that isn't comparable.

If that happens to a game as detailed as ace attorney on *DS* to *wii* can you imagine what would happen to muramasa? God you posted total nonsense.

[tunaks1]

thats odd,
http://news.vgchartz.com/ne...

it did better then what famitsu predicted.
its at 250 thousand, thats pretty good.

Somnipotent, cervantes99 you all need to research before pulling terrible arguments from your asses.

[TheoreticalParticle]

Oh yeah, well, I just made up some numbers that said that they didn't sell 250,000 copies.

VGFlimFlamChartz are as accurate as rolling 2d10 and multiplying by 10,000.

[tunaks1]

oh of course there only accurate when wii games do poorly.
lol fanboys, hoping good games bomb because they are so passionate about the HD machines.

"Tatsunoko vs Capcom should be on the PS360!"
"MH3 should be on the PS360!"
"Epic Mickey will suck because its on the Wii"
"NMH 1 & 2 should be on the PS360"
"Madworld should be on the PS360"
"Murumasa should be on the PS360!"

and so on

the wiis got no good games argument starts to run thin after a while,

you guys are just sad

[TheoreticalParticle]

No, you don't get it. They're wrong ALL the time. Period.

Modern Warfare 2 sells 7 million copies worldwide on launch day? No, it didn't. VGBSChartz were off by over *3 MILLION* copies.

Wii/PS3/360/DS/PC/PSP, whatever every single "chart" on that site is flat-out WRONG. I'm not saying your number doesn't apply because it's a high Wii number, it's wrong because it's from VGChartz.

[cervantes99]

My comment was just a general one.

According to Tecmo Koei, the game failed in their eyes. I don't even care about this game in particular.

The Wii (with a few exceptions) is an abomination to Hardcore Gamers and I hope it is forgotten very soon. Of course it won't be by consumers, but I hope Devs redirect their funding to PS360.

I have a Wii by the way and the fact that my Mom want's to play it makes me hate it even more as a serious gaming device.

HD consoles for the win.

[tunaks1]

"The Wii (with a few exceptions) is an abomination to Hardcore Gamers"

an abomination to hardcore gamers?
you must have started gaming on the ps1 there is no other explanation,

"I have a Wii by the way and the fact that my Mom want's to play it makes me hate it even more as a serious gaming device."
what are you intimidated by your Mom? Did you lose a match to her in Wii Sports? Seriously your retarded.

" hope it is forgotten very soon"

Say hello to Natal and the Sony Wand, you might as well buy 2 of each, it seems your scared your mom might want to play it.

lol

go and play some NES and SNES games and tell me the wii is an abomination to Hardcore Gamers, because you clearly aren't one.

[cervantes99]

I have been gaming since 1978 and I did not invest $1000's of dollars in HD equipment and surround sound to play a Gamecube in 480P.

I'm sorry, you feel so offended by my comments but the simple fact is that the Wii is for casuals. Wii Fit, Wii Sports, etc. Because of this, we are faced with Natal and the Wand which I will not buy.

Mario, Zelda, and Metroid are great franchises, but I am spoiled by Uncharted and Mass Effect. I've moved on from my 13 year-old gaming days and like the more adult oriented games on the HD consoles.

Heavy Rain and Alan Wake cannot come soon enough.

[orakga]

... with the Wii is the lack of HD.

If you really think that resolution doesn't matter, I dare you to downgrade your TV to a 27inch CRT, and reset your computer resolution to 640x480 from today, and never upgrade.

Resolution is arguably THE MOST important technical aspect for ANYTHING that has to do with visuals.

Yes, some of the Wii games are great; I'll give you that. But if you think the games are just as good in SD as they would be in HD, then you're literally blind.

[orakga]

BTW if you think a system should be considered "hardcore" because it lets you play games that USED TO be considered hardcore twenty years ago, then you have many MANY issues you need to come to terms with.

Being a hardcore gamer does not mean you play the same "hardcore" game for thirty years. Generally, it implies that you stay current with what's happening in the gaming world, and playing a modified GameCube in 2010 does not translate to "staying current".

... and I'm sorry to break it to you.

[tunaks1]

1000 dollars?
where did u buy your wii?

"I'm sorry, you feel so offended by my comments but the simple fact is that the Wii is for casuals. Wii Fit, Wii Sports, etc. Because of this, we are faced with Natal and the Wand which I will not buy. "

You listed 2 games. Its called an expanded audience. Im sorry kids you are not allowed to by a console because you are too casual and are ruining the industry, even though the more people interested in gaming means more $$$ Where are all these hardcorez! gamers going to come from once we die? never aging 30 year olds ?

"Mario, Zelda, and Metroid are great franchises, but I am spoiled by Uncharted and Mass Effect. "

OoT did more for the genre then Uncharted 1 or 2 did, Hell Oot probably provided more hours then Uncharted 1 or 2. Mass Effect, good game I'll play it on my PC, which is better then your over priced consoles. If I want to play a technical marvel I'll go and play on my PC, If I want to play a fun game I'll play it on the Wii.

"I've moved on from my 13 year-old gaming days and like the more adult oriented games on the HD consoles.

Heavy Rain and Alan Wake cannot come soon enough."

Perhaps thats the problem, if you are so irritated by kids playing consoles you should find a new hobby, and might as well stay off of Xbox Live. Calling yourself hardcore doesn't hide the fact that your idolizing a machine that plays GAMES, its a toy.

Playing Heavey Rain, lol I could rent a movie and leave with a more developed story, If I want a quick time infested game I'd go and play a bunch of GOW clones.

Alan Wake? maybe you should wait until that game comes out.

[Zackstorm]

An abomination to hardcore gamers? You should be grateful. Not only is the "omg wii is not harcorez enuff for me! where's the blood and shooterz?!" argument getting really tired, but you should be thankful for the casual market. It's keep this industry thriving. How can you not realize this? Let me break it down for you.

EA makes a ton of money off EA Sports Active, do you have to play the game? No. But people like your Mom, and many others who usually wouldn't play games who buy that, give money to game companies that they can then use toward multiple projects including hardcore games.

Look at Nintendo; They've never put out so many "hardcore" games over two platforms in one generation before. It's not even close to ending yet, and we're already seeing multiple new IPs, our favourites like Mario and Zelda, surprises like Punch Out!! and Sin and Punishment, etc etc. Do you know why they're able to do this? The profit they're making from Wiifit enables them to.

So called "hardcore" gamers have to realize that economic growth in this industry we love is only a good thing. We "hardcore" gamers can share our systems with "casual" gamers.

You don't have to like games like Wiifit, you don't have to play them, but you should appreciate what games like that do for this industry.

[DigitalHorror81]

And I'll tell you again. Quit betting your pony and stable on the Wii. Do Multiplats on 360 and PS3 and you'll be much better off in terms of risk. Then again, if you want to be lazy and run a wimpy game with last-gen graphics, go ahead. Shoot yourself in the foot and then cry foul, wondering what happened. Me? I'm playing White Knight Chronicles tonight.

[cliffbo]

i agree entirely. devs are going to desert the Wii on mass and move to either the 360 or the PS3... the thing is, which console may they pick to relaunch games that they made for the wii, but the audience wasn't there.

[indiemike]

It's unfortunate that they're choosing to blame the Wii when they are handling one of Nintendo's top first party properties in Metroid now. I'd like to think that it will be a fantastic game and everyone will buy it.

...Everyone except for folks that choose to dislike the console for no real reason, thinking that real "gamers" have to be selective of their systems. Thanks for ruining the fun!

[Gen0ne]

... or the Wii audience? Which apparently, if software sales are any indication, are a fickle bunch.

[kesvalk]

it's funny seeing "gamers" wanting that games tank on retail... of course, cuz this will help the industry to make better games...

last time i saw, busisness don't work that way...

[Gen0ne]

We don't REALLY want these games to tank ( or at least I don't ) and subsequently, people lose their jobs. It's kinda of "I told you so" type thing. The fact that some "gamers" ( as you put it ) want games to fail on the Wii is because they know that, let's just say for the sake of argument Mad World, would sell better on a different system. Because that systems audience would actually want/appreciate that game. And in the end, this want to have games fail at retail is good for the industry. Basically, place the product your making on the appropriate machine, otherwise you're gonna eat sh!t at retail. In other words, we told you so.

[ZoidsRaven]

Your basically justifying the acions of those "gamers" who want Wii games to flop. And as for Madworld, you mean to tell me that a 5 hour black and white easy a$$ and poorly marketed game would have sold well on the other consoles? Hey man, you do stand-up? Because you're pretty funny to me.

A decently marketed game like Resident Evil 4 on the wii will most likely break a million. As such.

"We told you so"? Says the sails of resident Evil 4, Resident Evil UC, House of the Dead 2 and 3.
Those "gamers" really want the game to flop simply because it's a Wii title, out of sheer fanboyism.
Don't believe me? Then check how many posts are on Darkside Chronicles' sales articles. 7_7

[Seferoth75]

Where is your proof that Madworld would sell better on other consoles?How many 4 hour black and white games have sold millions so far? How do you even know it is worth owning and appreciating? You openly admit to wanting them to fail so you obviously do not buy them.

[Tito08]

But MegatronD doesn't need any proof, he's mostly right, and that's a fact....Why u think No More Heroes is coming for both PS3 and 360??? I don't know how much it would sell, but I think with either one of those 2 systems might outsell the Wii version, mostly everything that sells on that system has "Mario" or "Wii" name on it, and Nintendo doesn't even care because their system, handheld, and their own games are selling big time, and created a market that actually has no knowledge nor interest about hardcore games, which critics and others call it as Casual!!!!

[LevDog]

Well lets see.. Average PS3/360 owner plays Prolly 1-2 hours a day.. Wii players buy the Wii.. play some tennis maybe some wii fit for a week.. Then realize that they will never have more than themselves to play with.. Then collects dust..

Well Thats with my friends anyways.. They buy it all excited.. then realize.. Hmm Im alone most of the time.. Guess ill play later.. (yes some of them have GFs) but that doesnt help..

Wii is the tickle me elmo of video games.. No one realizes why they want it.. they just know they are suppose to buy one because everyone else is.. Then are pissed they wasted their money..

My Buddy just bought one for 80 bucks with 4 controllers because the guy couldnt stand it being at his house..

[Gago]

tecmo is going down the drain

[soren]

So I asume Hard core are the people that play god of war and halo? that dont make u a hardcore game infact more casul games buy God of war i seen it wit my own dad ppl seem to be atracted to bald mean looking men lol or violence hard core gamers r ppl dat buy diffrent goners not just shooters or cus its made by a first party bad games sell bad snd wii never advertises 3rd party stuff i noticed dat but yea SHOOTERS R NOT HARD CORE infact TO MENT DAMN SHOOTERS NEEDS 2 STOp WARES THE DAMN PLATFORMERS ADVENTURE GAMES uno? all ppl ever bring up is cod kill zone unchartrd and god xbox fans i hardly ever see guess they noticed they have a more pricey ps3 after all and those who think its not Add the wifi adapter plus xbox live fees those who comment on grammer go screw urself :)

[SDF Repellent]

Itagaki's new studio will be revealing a new game soon.

[fatstarr]

well to be blunt they dont make the die hard system seller games. i hate when companys in general have a lucky streak and expect to repeat it. you cant blame companys for your product failing if your company does nothing buy make squeals after sequels that are similar to other games.

[ChickeyCantor]

Just because you work with him doesn't mean it will turn into gold...