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Immersion and Sony settling made MS angry

Microsoft has filed a lawsuit against rumble company Immersion for not living up to parts of it deal.

Immersion sued Microsoft and Sony in 2002 but Microsoft settled in 2003. That's the main reason why 360's pad rumbles and PS3's doesn't. It cost Microsoft $26 million for licensing rights and they even ended up with a stake in the rumble company. Microsoft has now said that Immersion hasn't lived up "other terms of that deal".

"We entered into a binding licensing agreement with Immersion and are seeking to have that agreement honored," Microsoft Associate General Counsel Steve Aeschbacher said in a statement. "Microsoft licenses technology both in and out and relies on these agreements to be honored and enforced. Our request to the court is that all companies and industry partners should play by the same rules and that the binding agreement we signed with Immersion be honored."

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bilal6146d ago

it wouldnt most likely effect ps3's rumble...because sony would be paying i full..its only that immersion and microsoft would be fighting like dogs over who get how much of it

MastaGT6146d ago

Actually It would affect Ps3's rumble. Since they've come to a breech agreement...the worst for sony could be they end up sharing their sales with immersion and microsoft in a 2 way thing. And rumble for sony fans could be dramatically delayed or cancelled.

anh_duong6146d ago

actually sony already signed a deal with immersion - if there is a breach of contract by immersion (since ms is suing them) then immersion will pay and not sony

TheMART6146d ago

Uh oh, still no rumble for the PS3. Nice thing from MS, first give Sony/PS3 fans renewed hope on rumble and then BAM hit with the hammer again!

airjordan96146d ago

what are you talking about?? of course the ps3 will rumble again. and following that, the downfall of xbox360. what i find funny is, why does microsoft copy all the innovations of the ps3???they are even paying millions just to have the games of the playstation?i feel that they are lacking in creativity here. and you TheMart seem to be a puppet of their madness. please stop with your useless comments man. you do not contribute intellectually rather you corrupt peoples minds. don't you have anything good to say man?didn't your parents teach you to respect other peoples opinions? ohhh maybe your parents do not care about you and let you do whatever you want.your username shouldn't be TheMart then. It should be TheBrat.

anh_duong6146d ago (Edited 6146d ago )

sometimes you can be quite dumb (see phantomelee below for the explanation). if immersion is in breach of contract then the fines on immersion would be substantial benefiting no one.

themart, a gamer who has more pleasure depriving other people of enjoying their own systems then he does playing his own system. sad twat.

etownone6145d ago

i actually liked your comment. Its a console war, and these forums are for the fans. This is another blow for sony if they can delay the rumble. so all the little sony fanboys can get upset but just as M$ bought exclusive episodic content to GTA4, now this is another slap in the face for sony fans. If this keeps up, next generation everyone will know to go with M$. Cause money talks, bullsh*t walks.

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Phantom_Lee6146d ago

Immersion is screwed...
if they decide to go against agreement with Sony, Sony will sue them....
and if they keep on going with it...well...MS is suing them...

so they get sue both way.....like how they sue both first.....What goes around comes around~

ITR6146d ago (Edited 6146d ago )

MS has a stake in the company..so it does have a say in who gets rumble and who doesn't.
I could see Immersion getting sued by both but I could also see Sony getting sued by MS since MS will want to protect it's stake in the Immersion company.

Given MS owns portions of Immersion already...I figure MS is going for a possible hostile take over.

Shadow Flare6146d ago

This picture sums up Microsoft's business practices

nobizlikesnowbiz6145d ago

Your saying that Japanese business practices are no different? The Japanese market is one of the most ruthless in the world.

sajj3166146d ago

What kind of clause is this? If Immersion owns the technology, why would it pay Microsoft $$$ if Immersion ever reaches an agreement with Sony? How much of a stake does Microsoft have with Immersion?

So is this how the story goes. Microsoft and Sony steals Immersion technology. Immersion sues. Microsoft settles + pay out to an amount that additionaly buys a stake in Immersion. Immersion and Sony settle, and Microsoft sues Immersion for money owed. They, Microsoft, are desperate for cash or really do not want Sony to include rumble in their controllers.

Bathyj6146d ago

They just flat out dont want Sony to have rumble even thou they made it a standard feature along with analouge control. (I never said they invented it, or even did it first, so keep your pantys on.)

Ever get the feeling M$ would much rather Monopolise uncontested, then actually compete and win?

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Paying Extra For Early Access Cannot Be The Industry Norm

Charging for early access has started to become a regular practice in several AAA games, and the gaming community should not tolerate this.

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CrimsonWing691h ago

Don’t uh… don’t pay for it then? 🤷‍♂️ It’s 3 days early, let people who can’t wait pony up to pay for early access. I’d hope people have more control over themselves if they don’t want to pay extra. I personally, do not see an issue with the option. If I’m hyped for a game and they give you early access, I’ll pay. If it’s something I can wait to play on “actual release” I won’t pay extra. It’s as simple as that.

Crows901h ago

Except your entirely mistaken if you think it's "early access"

Theyre just charging you extra to play it on release. So gullible.

Crows901h ago

It's not early access...it's playing on release...early access is when the game isn't finished and needs a little more time...you also get it months in advance.

Let's not get confused here..

VersusDMC51m ago

Microsoft has been doing premium edition early access for awhile(Forza and Starfield recently) ...so why is it an issue now when Ubisoft does it?

It can't be the gamepass excuse as Ubisoft has day one subscriptions as well.

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What the game industry must do to prevent occupational burnout

Game industry working conditions are improving, but occupational burnout still runs amok. Studios and workers have the power to slow it down.

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Quite being abusive to the workers and hold management accountable.

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Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Has Reportedly Sold About Half of What FF7 Remake Did in the Same Timeframe

The acclaimed open world action RPG is "underperforming" where its sales are concerned, according to industry analyst Daniel Ahmad.

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“Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Has Reportedly Sold About Half of What FF7 Remake Did in the Same Timeframe”

Makes sense to me since the current PS5 base is about half of what the PS4 base was when FFVII Remake released.

There were about 113 million PS4’s in consumers hands worldwide in 2020 when FFVII Remake was released (towards the beginning of COVID lockdown no less).

PS5 sales currently sits at about half of that (50-something million. We are not in COVID lockdown so many people are not as bored as they were 4 years ago and not in a rush to buy every video game coming out at release. Some PS4 owners may not have upgraded to PS5 yet and therefore can’t buy the sequel yet. And, of course, some who played Remake just might not be interested in Rebirth.

It just seems pretty disingenuous for an analyst to ‘analyze’ a situation when there are so many mitigating and unequal factors involved.

OtterX3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Yes, this and also finishing part 1 of the Final Fantasy Remake trilogy weighs heavily on it too. There's always a huge percentage of gamers who never finish the games they purchase. It's not always due to lack of enjoyment, but also life priorities etc. But factor that into the knowledge that Rebirth is a straight continuation of the story, and enjoyment lies heavily on having finished the first, you can begin to understand why not as many players jumped in. But absolutely too, the lesser install base of the PS5 played a huge role!

jjb19812d ago

I started the game when it came out, played about 2/3 of the way through and finished the rest in the last month before rebirth came out. There are just too many games and too much adulting to do.

Eonjay1d 18h ago

It sold about half... with about half as many PS5s available as PS4 had when it launched in 2020. So... the tie ratio is about the same. As PS5s continue to sale it should eventually match Remake. It's a really good game.

fr0sty1d 16h ago

I think there's going to be another wave of buyers that purchase the game once the third part of the trilogy is released, especially if they release it as a bundle.

jambola2d ago

Excuse me sir
Industry analyst Daniel Ahmad said this 🙄

Obscure_Observer2d ago

"Industry analyst Daniel Ahmad said this 🙄"

That guy is director of research & insights at Niko Partners.

https://nikopartners.com/

But he shouldn´t be trusted according to some "trust me bro" N4G random. Smh

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Barlos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Obscure Observer, so by your logic, we should also trust Pachter? Come on, it's like you're not even trying any more.

MrNinosan1d 21h ago

@Obscure
"We cover China, Chinese Taipei, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, United Arab Emirates, and Vietnam."

Yepp, very trusted and the biggest areas for videogame sales.

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Tody_ZA2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@raWfodog You'd think an analyst would catch these facts, but just goes to show what gaming analysts are made of. We've only in the last year moved to PS5 only games, in addition to the install base cross-gen has been around for years. There are a lot of PS4 players still over there. It's amazing when people compare things whilst isolating all the significant facts.

And Rebirth being a direct sequel is also valid: anecdotally, I've just started FF7 Remake a week ago and I'm loving it, on Chapter 8, but I'm obviously not going to buy Rebirth until I complete the story which will take time.

Ironmike1d 18h ago

But it's hasn't sold as much the articles om Google stating bit so what if it hasn't the game is still great better than remake which tailed of in middle-of-the- game

TheEroica2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Apologists always know what to say... 👍
Is it possible to squeeze in one more excuses for FF7 sales? Go for it!

Tody_ZA1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

@TheEroica Understand the meaning of the words you use or don't use them. An apologist argues in defense of something controversial or problematic. Pointing out relevant facts that an analysis or article did not take into account is constructive feedback and discussion. There are great movies, games and other forms of art that don't sell as expected, but later gain financial success.

Example? The Godfather Part 2 underperformed financially compared to its predecessor but is widely hailed as one of the greatest films and sequels of all time and is still influential to this day. And no, I'm not comparing Final Fantasy 7 to the Godfather, before you draw that strawman. There is one loose similarity however in that Rebirth is also overwhelmingly acclaimed and considered superior to the first.

Given the decision to split Final Fantasy VII into three separate games, of which Rebirth released exclusively for PS5 leaving the PS4 install base behind, and the final installment due in 2027, the sales performance is a bit more of a conversation than you're trying to make it out to be.

Crows901d 22h ago

Didn't even mention price increases across the board for all games...this causes all people to be more picky and limit game purchases

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GoodGuy093d ago

Unfortunate but it's the reality of sequels. And I simply just don't hear much people talk about rebirth and even remake as these titles just seem too hard to get into with many newcomers and old fans that are upset with the many changes.

Eonjay1d 18h ago

The games are really good and both acclaimed and Rebirth is even better than Remake with a 90+ metascore but if you don't want to 'hear' the praise... you probably wont.

TheProfessional1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

It's kind of ridiculous how some people here are just making stuff up to explain the low sales. Just because you bought the game and you like it doesn't mean it sold better than it did. Same with FFXVI.

rpvenom1d 9h ago

For me its cause now that i know it releases on pc.. id rather play it with mods on my pc than my ps5

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gold_drake3d ago

well, according to some other reports, it had 2.1 mio. players in the first week.

so, who to believe now.

ZeekQuattro2d ago

It's safe to say if it sold that Square would of made a sales milestone announcement like they did with past FF entries or other IPs in general. They did a FF16 sales update within 2 weeks after it launched for instance.

gold_drake2d ago

there is no way this game hasnt already sold more than remake.

there doesnt need to be an announcement for everything, especially not if they released several updates amd the ultimania.

people are too obsessed with sales

CrimsonWing692d ago

I think there’s a reason we haven’t seen a celebratory tweet from Square on the sales. It came out on Feb. 29th and it’s Apr. 13th right now… that ain’t a good sign. I think this one can reach 3 mill at some point but will be behind Remake, which when it comes to business, that ain’t good.

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