CC: When the Nintendo Wii was released, many third-party developers found it difficult to make games for the console. But Project Natal won't be like that, according to Microsoft's Robbie Bach.
Yea, true. If the game is done well enough on Natal it will succeed and make millions.
so lets figure this out. there are roughly 36 million xbox 360's out there. maybe half have hard drives. and if ms is lucky they might sell 3 million natal add ons. so where is the money for a 3rd party. i much rather make a game for a 36 million user base then a few million that have a add on. p.s. and this is only if they keep natal at 50.00 or less. and btw this is about ms making money always has been and always will.
Their money would be put to better use investing in more first party exclusives.
You don't need a Hard Drive for Natal and Naral will be aimed at boosting console sales more than anything else, probably by tapping into the casual market. If Microsoft sells the device right, it should fly off shelves. However, it depends on the games. Your argument is a bit like saying Wiimotionplus doesn't work because it cuts down the amount of people the developer can aim it at, but plenty of games are coming out for the Wii that make use of it because they wouldn't work without it. Natal is meant to be about new experiences, not augmenting existing experiences so its no different than a console launch in that developers that get in early are hoping to make money as sales go on. Which is good, becasue you'll get lots of developers tryng to create THE game that defines Natal, so that with nearly Every Natal unit sold, a copy of said game gets bought as well.
Natal will just llimit the 360 further. I don't want that and I hope big games (like fable and gears) aren't gimped becuase of it.
MS has relied on 3rd party support more than any other console I can recall. It is obvious they dont have the 1st and 2nd party support like Sony and Nintendo or even Sega when they were around. MS has treated the 360 like they have windows (in my opinion). Build the platform and get everyone else to support it for them. The more you get others to use it and support it the more $$ you get in the long run. They may find it easier to spend $$ for games here and there as in the end they don't have to deal with the overhead of running other studios. I can honestly say that as far as 3rd parties go, there has never been a system as supported by independents and others alike than the 360. Sony may have the lock on exclusives from 1st and 2nd parties but 360 takes the prize for most active 3rd party support in history.
Does MS have to say something hyping Natal EVERY SINGLE DAY? Seriously, just shut up about it already. :/
Yeah Natal is not about you gamers, you're more like an afterthought.
For months I hear, its the arcade that sells, blah blah blah, I have 30 freinds on my freind list and everyone has a hard drive. Not all bught pro models, some bough hard drives after. I mean who do you think was buying the 20gb hard drives they were selling, and now the larger ones. At launch at the best buy I was at, they had 40 pro and 20 arcade, I have a felling this is the ratio.
I'm interested in seeing if they can make some neat adventure games with Natal. Maybe not action filled games, but puzzle-filled interactive games. I could see old school sierra games take advantage of Natal. I loved solving the puzzles in these games. Maybe with that style of pacing, maybe from a first person point of view, it'd make a nice change from the twitch gaming that seems to plague consoles nowadays. Or perhaps a Fatal Frame type game. I'd love to see a horror game build for Natal.
Well you've got Alan Wake... Not the scariest game in the world by far, but it'll be hell of a good game with or without Natal.
Although I'm totally looking forward to playing Alan Wake, I'm still longing for something more like a real-time Myst. Unfortunately, I think websites like Gamefaqs have completely ruined the discovery of adventure games. This is coming from a guy who loves those "Trapped in a Room" flash games. With a real-time version of those games, and with Natal, it could be a great puzzle solving experience. Here's hopin...
I think Alan Wake will be amazing with the Natal.
I agree. Adventure games are kind of lost in today's gaming world. If someone made a really good adventure game, it could catch on like wildfire. Indiana Jones and the fate of atlantis was a sweet game, and it had literally no action bits. some great puzzles too.
If done correctly,I could also see Natal and Alan Wake creating a great match up. Time will tell.
Even if Microsoft wants third-parties to make money, that's easier said than done.
lol! and here i thought Natal is MS attempt at rebranding the x360 as a wii alternative. Whats with the wii hate lately from MS?. Before this gen started MS was heavily praising the wii and recomeneded the wii to compliment the x360. "MS: Natal is about third-party publishers making money" LMAO!!.
The Wii is in their way now.
It's well known besides 1 or 2 exceptions almost no 3rd party devs have been able to sustain successful software sells on the wii platform. Look at the charts every week, month....games made by Nintendo are the ONLY big sellers for the wii, so microsoft saying they want Natal to be different/successful for 3rd party devs is definitely music to 3rd party devs ears, but given microsofts heavy reliance on 3rd party support so far this gen its also a very important strategy for microsofts future plans.
I personally want to stick with using a pad and buttons. But thats just me.
Are you crazy?!!!. Going stone age is the future!!!.
Sony: "Playstation 3 is about bringing great gaming experiences to our users."
Nice way to spin a lack of first party developers.
Exactly, they have like 4 studios - it would be hard for it to be anything OTHER than about 3rd party
MS i smell the BS (Natal will die faster then the HD-DVD you will see) Ms add-on never do well and too expensive at the same time! HD-DVD fail, still with all that marketing they did for it. Natal showed us nothing that is mind blowing. natal is the next sega 32x trying to give MS more long legs to the aging 360. obviously they have not learn from sega!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Plus natal draw it power from the 360, the same 360 that is faulty and break down! Man natal is going to be huge train crash lol. Come get some xbots cheerleaders
3rd party publishers making money? Give me a break. We all know MS will get the biggest profit again by ripping people off with this "new" technology
Natal (It only does everything).
Except have its own processor. Or have no lag. Or have real games. Or be original. Wait what does it do again?
It does everything the Vision Cam and a microphone can do.... but at thrice the price.
Its just painful to read your comments lately, you're trying so hard to convince yourself.
The purpose of natal isn't good games, it's about cheating people for their money!!! Mwhahahaha
when you don't have something nice to say spin it in your direction. seriously, natal overload!!!!!
So you are a third party developer. Games cost a fortune to make for 360 and ps3. High risk ventures are not something you do. You want to sell to as many people as possible. BRILLIANT. So why do microsoft think third parties are going to make a dedicated, full on game for natal which will have how many potential consumers? A million? Two? Maybe even five million sold in a year? Developers can build a game for five million natal owners, or build a game for 50 million 360 owners come 2011. Seriously. Microsoft think third party developers are gonna actually WANT to blow wads on such a limited userbase? Develop on wii, what u gotta lose, whats the risk/potential reward? A few million dollars maybe loss, or a hit with a huge userbase. 360 though...Think tens of millions potential loss, With a userbase of just a few million. Development costs are much higher as are the risks. If natal doesnt sell like crazy, and i mean half a million units a month then developers will quickly abandon it leaving only microsoft support. The only other option is for developers to throw in natal functional sub games and other junk functionality hoping it will eventually mean a large userbase will be built. This seems most likely. Natal has a CPU overhead and memory overhead now. You either design the game completely around it and its hardware limitations, or design a section of a game that allows natal to run with reduced quality of the main game. Dont forget these are the developers struggling their asses off to make money from the huge wii userbase, to make innovative games with wii's three year old motion controls. Only nintendo and a tiny selection of third parties seem to be able to make motion work, and the likes of EA and capcom bemoaning the lack of success on the machine with the biggest reputation and install base!!! I honestly think microsoft are barking up the wrong tree here. Natal can only divide 360's userbase. Since when has any add on to 'extend the life of the console' quoth microsoft actually worked? Its like the mid 90's all over again...
Fuc! Natal no third party is gonna take it seriously just like the wii, only sony's motion controller will the third party's desire.
this vaugly reminds me of the sega 32, if u want this to ship support it with first party.
Natal is NOT aimed at core gamers so don't expect adventure, action or any kind of big budget games. Natal is Microsoft's attempt at the Wii crowd. Microsoft will do anything to fufill their goal of dominating people's living rooms with their hardware even if it means taking a page from Nintendo's playbook.
natal is for dance dance revolution fans lol
from 36 million units, to what? 5 million (if it sells that) is good for 3rd parties?
It's not 'natal specific' games making money on natal. But wii games, like madworld, who didn't sell on the wii, making money.
Because M$ has no 1st and 2nd party developers,sad lol
I don't see anything in natal... Im more for presicion so your movements actually have big inpact on the game, like the "Gem"
Sir as a DDR fan that's insulting.
and not making games? great games can sell but, usually not the case... lets hope this isn't a bad thing for the gaming quality (Wii Fit, Wii Sports Resort, etc...)
yeh it's almost like they are saying shovelware for natal, confirmed
Poor droids worry so much over Natal
LOL @ you thinking PS3 fans actually care about Natal.
Then why are you always in every Natal news?
Taking note of supposed "hardcore" who are now praising this as the next big thing and who think this is going to be used for real games.
I hope Natal Turns out to be huge.
Steven Spielberg was pimping it, so it must be great.
Natal is only about making money which is why they gimped it.
The first party developers already know that Natal is the biggest failure ever thats the real reason why the first party publishers haven't jump on it yet.
"The first party developers already know that Natal is the biggest failure ever thats the real reason why the first party publishers haven't jump on it yet" Really? That doesn't make very much sense. So what you're saying is that MS's first party dev's are not working on games for Natal? Or are you talking about Sony's or Nintendo's first party dev's? Please explain your logic. I'm curious to know the point you're trying to get across. Anybody?
They want to crash the Wii shovelware churn & burn party. Cheap games made quickly sold to parents for their little rugrats. That's where the money is.
So if it's about catering to the Wii's expanded audience, does that mean Microsoft is using Natal to just play catch-up to Nintendo? See, if that's all it's about, then I don't care how advanced the technology seems for Natal. It just isn't that innovative to me if it's a "me too" device.
ROFL, Making money? Like the lame ass wiimote games that droves of Wiitards buy? Lol, yeah Natal will make money. just not from the Real gamers.
still though, they are missing the fact that few people are actually going to buy natal. How can they make such a big mistake? The millions wasted on this make me cry at night lol :'(
I swear when reading the comments in any forum on N4G it's almost as if the majority of users are against gaming in general. Good thing the majority of gamers couldn't give a rats ass about haters opinions on a website or gaming would never advance. I think Natal could be very cool. I'll reserve judgement until i actually see a few good games for it. I would love a mixture of both the controller and Natal for certain games. I'm looking forward to see what dev's come up with. I'm mostly pumped for the voice and facial recognition though. When i get home from work and want to watch a movie stored on my pc through my 360, i won't need a controller or remote. i seriously can't wait!
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