CC: Microsoft's Robbie Bach has said that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 still have plenty of power to offer, but Nintendo can't say that about their console.
No sh*t, Sherlock.
Time for a Wii HD...
Someone's 3 years late to the party.
I swear some games from last gen look better than Wii games. I thought 360 maxxed out with Gears of War, but games like Resident evil 5 and Batman AA showed me wrong; with Mass Effect 2 looking even better The PS3 shows no signs of slowing down. It started with Uncharted blowing the 360 away graphically back in 2007. Then games like MGS4 and Killzone 2 getting even more impressive. But now Uncharted 2 looks another step ahead of anything we've seen before (on consoles). But this trend can only continue for so long, Ps3 hardware is like 4 years old now. Who knows when this generation will max out?
I'm getting sick of those articles trying to stick the 360 in the same league with the PS3 when it comes to graphics. 360 is one generation behind it's like the guy going fishing with Eminem and trying to appear in the photos with him. I say 360 get away stop trying to stick to the PS3's knees you moron!
That was almost a compliment, certainly an acknowledgement. Possibly even respect. I'd like to see an MS/ Sony console. MS' hype, marketing and aggression with Sony's refined engineering, software and creative studios. It you all put down your torches and pitchforks and stopped shouting at each other for a minute, you might see that this is not a bad idea. Even financially, while complicated, it would be a blessing for both companies. Twice the resources, 1/3 less the competition. From a consumer standpoint too, buying two separate HD consoles and games is a bit of a pain. Maybe I'm dreaming, but business partnerships are formed in the strangest of ways. All the fanboys around here would have to find another hobby though :) /bends over and prepares for bubble-rape (please be gentle :P) Peace.
Nice to see common sense prevailing for once! People need to stop seeing slights where there are none, and realize a compliment is sometimes.........wait for it.......... ...a compliment. As for the sonysoft uberconsole. The gaming, networking, and IP's that that beast would unleash would unceremoniously flatten the wii, (And its wiifit fanatics), but with each console and company having differing agendas, sadly it's just pie in the sky. Shame.
"I'm getting sick of those articles trying to stick the 360 in the same league with the PS3 when it comes to graphics. 360 is one generation behind it's like the guy going fishing with Eminem and trying to appear in the photos with him. I say 360 get away stop trying to stick to the PS3's knees you moron!" Wow you truly are a delusional fanboy. The 360 is defiantly in the the league with the PS3 and argumentatively the 360 is better. Do you honestly believe the 360 is a generation behind the ps3? If so, I would be careful whom I call a moron.
Robbie, dont try to cozy up to PS3 as if you were equals. Its a widely accepted fact now that PS3 has much more room to grow. Not to say XB can make great looking games, much improvement can be made artistically, but technically, you were at 90% on Gears 1 imo. Nothing has much improved since then. Gears, and I suppose Gears 2 are still the best looking games. That speaks volumes to me, where as PS3's bench mark keeps getting raised and raised. Of course you need the artist to do that as well, another problem with M$. They'd rather hire guns (buying DLC) then train their own soldiers, (supporting 1st parties.)
EA beg to differ. http://www.engadget.com/200... http://www.edge-online.com/... http://www.neowin.net/news/... These 2 are even more specific: http://www.gamepro.com/arti... http://www.product-reviews....
That's EA's opinion. Microsoft are standing up for PS3 with something here! @below - I didn't say it wasn't important. I just said that's their opinion. And this is Microsoft's opinion on it.
EA's opinion means alot in the gaming industry. @ below Yes, I remember. But unlike ND, EA didnt have any interest behind their words.
smh @ Dinsuryaa. Do you remember when Uncharted 2 Devs said they had Maxed out the PS3 around the time the game was about to come out? that's a stunt used by devs to make their games sell even more because people will want to buy the games with the best graphics. (the game does have great graphics) but they dint really Maxed out the console at all. just a few days ago the same devs said that There's still alot of power in the PS3 and thats true. so whenever a dev say they maxed out a console you shouldnt believe them right away.
There are XBox and PS3 games that max out both systems, that means that they are using pretty much all available resources (CPU, SPU, GPU, Memory etc.) But that does not mean that things can't still improve. The software can usually be made more efficient. When developers are in a hurry, as devs usually are, they may have to get something working quickly and won't have time to fully optimize. Writing quick and dirty code is easy, writing well thought out, efficient code is time consuming and difficult.
So EA think they have utilised 100% of the 360's power? That may be the case but clearly they aren't utilising it effectively as there's a lot of third party games out there that look better then many of EA's offerings. As of late it looks like EA's leading all their games on PS3 then doing very little to optimise them for 360 so as to make both versions similar with the possible addition of AA on the 360 ports.
He's just speaking the truth
dude is from MS.. and he is saying fact.. ps3 and 360 and not maxed out just yet.. and this year we will see just y its true with all the brilliant games coming out on both platforms..
In the words of the great Homer Simpson: "DOH!"
GOD OF WAR III:)
the thing is tho that wii owners arn't bothered about graphically amazing games etc etc. i mean it's still selling like hotcakes and i imagine a large number of wii owners (as can be backed up by which games sell) are probably children/teens that are just happy to play with the motion controls, hell wii sports isn't exactly the most advanced game in the world but i'm sure as hell that a large number of wii owners play a game like that alot. a more powerfull wii, wii 2, wii hd, whatever is only worthwhile if they wish to capture the 'hardcore' crowd, which i doubt they will, so chances are nintendo will be quite happy to just keep the casual crowd, after all, it seems that casual gaming is actually way more popular than hardcore! (and i bet the games don't cost anywhere near as much to develop lol)
if nintendo wait on making a WII2 untill the next generation, then im thinking there gone do a sony and really make it powerful. next GEN is really gone look interesting.
Actually they do care about the graphics. People that sale the Wii are not informing the consumers about the differences and fun factor. It's an easy sale and wrong when you think about it.
so is this suppose to make the games look better? i really cant see nintendo getting anything else out of this system "really"~~~
@dinsurya, you basing this off of 1 gaming developing Co? also those are the same articles from different sites bro?? SMH
Hmm, i see what the guy is saying, but at the same time we've only seen one game that takes advantage of what the wii has to offer, 'Super Mario Galaxy.' 90% of the other titles have the same graphical quality as the gamecube and most of those games look worse than gamecube titles. There are a few exceptions (darkside chronicles, dead space extraction, crystal bearers) but those games aren't in the same league as Mario Galaxy. If anything I think the wii has the most to show in the coming years, we've seen what the 360 & ps3 have to offer and both systems will have better looking games due to engine treaks and whatnot but it's the wii that has me the most curious simply because I have no idea what a game looks like that takes full advantage of the wii's horsepower. I think zelda wii will be that game cause i can't think of any other upcoming game that will have an equal budget or dedicated team of developers.
developer complain or he even metioned the 360 was maxed out same with rockstar gta4 with dvd limition and they had problems of trying to get it to fit on a dvd nintedo wii i think its time for nintendo to launch a new console ps3 has alot of power and hasnt been tapped yet maybe in 4 years time we could see like what happened when god of war 1, 2 , came out on ps2
If the game won't fit on one disc they can always put it on two. Please link your claims and explain to me how Alan Wake, ME2, and Conviction look better than Gears2 and GTA4.
"PS3 has plenty of MORE power to offer" + "xBox 360 is MAXED-OUT" ;)
bubble for u. its very dirty way how Bach try to put the 360 on the ps3 level!!! ps3 is way ahead of 360 in every aspect except the online!! it almost like 0.5 generation ahead of 360!!
Yeah, i wish Micro$oft would stop mentioning the PS3 and the xBox 360 in the same sentence. The PS3 is 100% times more better than the xBox 360!!! ;-D The PS3 in on another LEVEL!!! ;-P + Mr.Bach??? Why didn't we see this 'Extra' xBox 360 Power in say your last big xBox 360 ONLY game like 'Halo 3:(RR)oD(LC)ST'??? or 'Forza 3'??? (GT4 on the PS2 looked better than that game!!!) ;-D Even 'Gears 2' looked the same as 'Gears 1'??? WHY???...
i can say those guys at nintendo are panicking
So, one guy from EA says it maxed out, so therefore it is? Well, for a maxed out console, EA still manages to make the 360 versions better than the PS3 versions, over and over again. Maybe by "room to grow" he means room to catch up. Look, I'm not gonna sit here and bash the PS3, everyone knows what its capable of. But considering EA of all companies has yet to really show the PS3 has more potential than the 360, I'm gonna take what ever one guy says from EA with a grain of salt. Did anyone actually believe the PS2 was capable of putting out graphics to match the Xbox? Nope, then here come God of War.
lol maxed out no console is maxed out all consoles have there up and downs just have fun with what you are playing i can admit i was a fanboy but when i picked up a xbox i realized i was so stupid FANBOYS ARE NOT GAMERS SONY OR MICROSOFT ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS THE ONLY SUPPORT YOU DO FOR THEM IS BUYING THERE CONSOLE
x360-easier to develope for,came out a year earlier,arhitecture 95% similar to PC,maxed out last year with geow 2 ps3-just 3 years on the market,complex arhtecture,maxed out for 3-4 years
ps3 alone still has plenty of power left
But 360? Its best looking title is still a UE3 game that came out in 2008, and looks outdated compared to PS3 exclusives.
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Even so, i do believe the 2D realm can do allot more concept wise. Wished There were more 2D games on the Wii D=.
yea 2d games have really found a home on the wii. I think it's great. I really need to try out muramasa, a boy and his blob and klonoa. I'm also excited for the new cave story for wiiware. What i really wish is that someone, preferably aksys, atlus or xseed would develop/publish an awesome sprite based jrpg on the wii.
I aint so sure about my launch 360.. 20G HD wont cut it for Digtal Downloads and with out a BR drive, how can I watch 1080p content with such a tiny drive. and hearing about how Natal is going to use the 360s CPU, I already on my 3rd launch 360 and fear of overheating the CPU. so think again...is my launch 360 really future proof..a resounding HECK NO
disagree...please tell me how to make my launch 360 keep up with Digital Downloads and other issues I mentioned....or just be a blind and wrong da
So you think Gears looks better than Alan Wake and ME2? because I don't.
i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it shouldn't really matter at this point because both those games aren't even in stores.
Zune HD is 1080p streaming so your HD is safe. Also before the PS3 was launched did you even think about HD movies? I bought Xbox-360 as a games console with no interest in HD movies, now that HD is here I look forward to it more but please too many people use the "xbox-360 has no Bluray" argument all the time, first and foremost it is a gaming console, if it does what it says on the tin I am happy.
I think you have to look at what MS is trying to do...turn the 360 far, far, far from just a game console....same with Sony and the PS3..thinking these consoles are just for games is in the extreme minority opinion set.. MS releases HDDVD, Netflix, facebook, twitter...clearly even you realize the 360 is NOT being marketed as a game machine AND even with that myopic opinion...how do I use Games on Demand and DLC with my tiny 20G disk... sorry...its not a game machine...MS besides releasing a defect product also gimped it from being a real home entertainment device
We all know the Wii has no power and already has been maxed out. We also know that the 360 has been maxed out since Gears. The only console showing significant improvement from game to game is the PS3. Uncharted--->Killzone 2---->Uncharted 2---->Heavy Rain----->GOW III Microsoft can say all they want. I say...show us the games so we can believe you...
^ hence I being calling them out ..Put Up or Shut Up..show me a game that looks like UC2 and KZ and I will buy it...after all the PS3 came out a year after the 360 and is a mother to code for, so why do games as I mentioned wipe the floor with all my 360 games ??? and GT running at 60 FPS is gonna make Forza look just like it is meh..(funny thing but this years Forza was the best one for me yet in the series)
Unless you are looking at the code for a game and doing algorithmic analysis you have no idea what's maxed out. On all systems games use all available resources. However, code can be optimized heavily in some cases and this can result in upgraded quality. To think of a console as maxed out says more about how developers optimize than anything else, and with the time pressures they face few can fully tweak the games for the best performance. I have a degree in this, maxed out is a meaningless buzzword made to sell games as the ultimate graphical experience available on the console. Unless you see the code itself and solve what can be horrific algorithmic analysis problems involving parallel segmentation of programs you can't say it. Given time constraints on devs I can assure you there's always room for improvement, however it may not be as drastic as early stages. See: donkey kong country or vectorman, where cleverly prerendering characters allowed better graphics than the systems could process at the time. I can max out any system (use all available resources) with a program I write in my spare time. Say just factoring primes. Whether I can improve the speed of the algorithm depends on how I optimize the program. TL:DR - maxed out is a meaningless buzzword.
I hear what you are saying. And your right Maxed out is a buzz term. However, it is applicable in describing this situation given the audience here on N4G. I have a BS in Electrical Engineering and a MS in Computer Science. I understand these technical aspects very well. You, I, and probably a few other people on here understand the technical aspects of this issue but most people don't so its just easier to say it the way that I said it. "The only console showing SIGNIFICANT improvement from game to game is the PS3." The key word in my statement is "significant"
Dead Space: Extraction begs to differ. -End statement
Each console has its own strengths and weaknesses. The Wii is really targeted towards the younger and casual audience so power ain't really much of a requirement. If a game is fun it doesn't matter how it looks . I mean everyone knows the Wii isn't supposed to be a least powerful console so i don't get what is the issue here?
Robbie Bach just praised the competition...his direct competition...no slanderous remarks or mudslinging at all.
look at ps2 look how long they max out the system so the 360 and the ps3 still has a lot of power left the only thing is hold the 360 back in graphic maybe it might be the disk space or the game maker they don't now what hell they doing...
Sony/Nintendo first party is 1,000 times better than Microsoft. 360 shouldn't brag about anything!
360 has plenty of power to burn your house down.Jump out and play b3yond.
Lets wait till we see Zelda wii before we assume the wii has already been maxed out.
Nintendo has a lot of creativity, Microsoft can't say that
i hope nintendo doesn't bust out wii HD yet. i hope they wait til next gen. i also hope we actually get a new zelda on the wii. by the time they released TP, the GCN was in its dieing days, and i would assume, the new gen will start coming out in about 2012, providing we all haven't died :D anyway, i hope zelda wii won't turn out like TP did. at the end of the life cycle, and ported to the next gen with more features. at least the GCN got WW. at e3 they are announcing a new zelda game, and the only thing we know is, its a sequel to TP, and TP was a sequel to OoT and MM. anyway, point being, it will take a few years until we get the finished product, which brings me back to my initial concern
Ever seen Super Mario Galaxy running on the Dolphin Emulator? http://www.youtube.com/watc...
the ps3 sky is the limit the wii is hitting the ceiling and so is the 360 stupid article its time for the next gen anyway thank you handhelds. i dont see wii past 2011 or 360 making it past 2012 u can have so many halos and zeldas and gears but eventually people will look at pc graphics and go wtf my 360 cant do that. ps3 aint that lucky either 2014 max. nvidia and ati are cookin some crazy stuff up
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