President of Entertainment & Devices Division at Microsoft, Robbie Bach has said that around 70% or 80% of worldwide developers are working on Natal-based games.
If he is to be believed, then that is a lot of games I'd say.
I would say around 15 games at launch, then the first year will be vital for software releases on Natal.
Thats great for the first year then what?
As much as i want to love Natal.. I can't think of anything other than the casual shovelware games they are going to release at launch. Unless it's done well with Fable 3.(Hopefully not plagued with glitches like fable 2)
Microsoft and Nintendo are basically leaving the hardcore gaming market for Sony, which is great since PS3 is the best console on the planet anyway.
Sounds good that it's getting the support it deserves. The technology is definitely immersive. I'd love for developers to explore new areas of gaming.
Key word there guys, PUBLISHERS, not developers. Any publisher can put out a game but what makes a game great is the developer. You can have 80% of the publishers publishing games by the worst developers in the world and it only means you are getting poor shovelware games like the Wii. Don't get your hopes up until the thing arrives.
yeah if he think considering = working, he may say it...
@Guido: ROTFL. That's the worst spin attempt ever. If they said "developers" instead of "publishers", or announced that Naughty Dog is working on Natal, you'd whine "Buh, buh, they didn't say they'll work hard!". Classic N4G.
Spin? I think not. It's not my fault that you do not know the difference between being a publisher or being a developer... Living in bliss are we?
Hey, I enjoy it. At least I don't have to look for conspiracies everywhere. If someone says "80% of publishers" I see "80% of publishers" and not "We are the great Corporation of Evil! We will trick you into thinking that we'll have a lot of games, but we'll have less than that! Mwahahaha!". Besides, how many publishers are there? Even if each one works on exactly one game, that's still quite a lot. And according to other news, companies like EA or Epic are working on several Natal projects. We can't judge quality yet, but it seems that quantity is covered.
A developer develops games. There are MUCH more developers than there are publishers. 80% of publishers could mean just 10 games. While 80% of developers would mean thousands of games. I don't see how Guido stating the facts can be seen as a "spin". N4G, the only place where: Real Facts = Spin Opinions = Facts
Dude, seriously, that's just silly. Why do you two automatically assume that it is the WORST developers working for the publishers? That's called SPIN, not facts because we don't know anything about the developers working for these publishers. And 10 games in development right now is a lot. "Real Facts = Spin, Opinions = Facts" <--- This is EXACTLY what you and Guido just did. lol!
The only spin here is that of Robby bach and his quote from the article. He would have you believe that just because 80% of the publishers publishing games for natal makes for great games but the honest look into it is that publishers mean nothing and he should have stated the number of developers and perhaps even gone as far as to name them who are creating games for Natal. In the end, who cares how many publishers they have, publishers do not make games. The point here is, they should tell us what developers are there and then it would have been more forthcoming. You can claim all you want but all I did was state that to say they have 80% of the worlds publishers publishing games for them does not in fact tell the truth behind what types of games we will see on Natal. Geesh, you MS fanboys sure get your panties in a bunch over facts these days.
I don't think they are ASSUMING that the WORST developers are working on Natal, but you're right that it wasn't quite fair to say that because it could also be the BEST developers working on it. I think the point they are trying to make is that there are only a few publishers, so saying 80% makes it sound like there will be more games than there will be. I just ran through my whole collection and counted 14 publishers. Certainly there are more than that, but don't confuse publishers for developers (Morbid Bulldozer, EA is a publisher, Epic is a developer). For example, EA is, obviously, a huge publisher that puts out probably dozens of games each year. Them having ONE title for Natal in the works would put them on this list, though they probably do have more. MS is going to make sure Natal has a healthy launch, no doubts about that. Just don't think that 80% of publishers making at least one game for Natal each means a whole lot. They used the most impressive number they had.
I'm excited to see what they will do maybe grab maself a casual sports game and party game and then just hardcare titles after that i'd like to see this implamented it PG5 and i heard killer instanct will be coming will natal games only support natal is controller options ? it would be good to know you can switch back to the trusty pad when your tired of moving around
I would think 75% of Natal games would let you turn back to the controller. Though Microsoft want it to become the future, and replace controllers.
I actually don't think MS is taking the processor out of Natal. I think they are trying to get people to underestimate it until its actually shown with some of these new softwares. Would MS make the developers already working on Natal projects start all over at the expense of the processor they were probably utilizing? Something just doesn't sound right... Can't wait to see what Natal brings.
They removed the processor to reduce consumer cost. I'm sure some developers were a little pissed about losing that processor power, but it was a smart move by Microsoft. After all, Natal's target audience has proven with the Wii that they don't care about graphics, so lower cost means more sales for MS, probably without sacrificing profit margin per unit, either.
...Like the Wii.
There's a ton of devs working on Wii games too.
70% to 80% of worldwide PUBLISHERS is VERY different to 70% to 80% of worldwide DEVELOPERS. That 70% to 80% could be made up of 2 publishers who have that much market share, each who are publishing 1 Natal game each. I'm guessing he's at least not counting all the hundreds of independent game publishers, or publishers of games not on 360.
lol .. completely agree with you .. sorry but I hadn't seen your comment before typing mine..
80% of publishers could be just 8 games.. 80% of developers means 1million games!. which one ?title said devs but the original quote said publishers. anyway thats impressive for the start.. MS really depends on third party devs . but those third party developers wont invest so much on a new hardware in early stages.. they must be sure about hardware success in the market.
80% is meant to mislead people into thinking that 80% of games being developed currently are Natal games. Since Natal doesn't even have a CPU anymore, it's gonna fail miserably. Xbox 720 will probably have the more refined version of Natal and better tech. Hopefully, it will be reliable and future proof, but I'm not counting on it.
what will happen if natal is a good device and starts selling well?
To be honest, I'm really not surprised by this...
Every publisher is going to want to test out this new tech and see how it is to develop for and how much money they can make off of it.
Just more excitement coming from the 360 in 2010. NATAL is going to change the way we play games for the better. We're not looking at minor downloadable titles like what sony is thinking about with their motion technology. No silly Eye of Judgement games here. Natal is already looking to be a huge success.
Yeah instead of eye of judgement you have uggghh and ughhh and that title where you smash balls against a wall and splashing paint on a canvas thats totally innovative and no mini games at all/S
"No silly Eye of Judgement" Eye of Judgement is not silly... it's full fladged game..
Eye of Judgment rocks. I bought it with my PS3 and it's one of my favourite PS3 games, next to Buzz and MS: Pacific Rift.
the way he worded this makes me feel like it is bs. "70 or 80%" ... uh. well what is it?
Too bad half of them are doing Ricochet spin-offs :p. Realistically speaking the big publishers probably handed the development of a Natal game to one of their lesser developers, I haven't heard of any big developer besides Lionhead doing anything with it. So it might be good news for them knowing that they're getting support for it, but it means nothing to me until I start seeing some interesting games.
Well, what do you think game conventions like E3 are for? What would they gain from revealing Natal titles now?
So what are the names of the games, how many will their be, what studios are making each game, etc. etc. I mean since you said that they will almost all be ricochet type games you must work in the industry and have inside sources at MS and all the companies that are working on titles. Another typical N4G comment. Assuming. You know what happens when you assume. It makes an @ss out of u and me.
As others have stated, 70-80% od publishers is rather different from 70-80% of developers. If it was the latter then i would be impressed I still think people should wait before slamming or praising Natal, or the PS3 motion control. I'm not a fan of any motion control, but even i'm willing to wait to see what the fuss is about before labelling either a failure or success. The only problem i can see with Natal is how it'll integrate into games which you would usually play for hours on end, or which may require alot of movement. But again, time will tell.
Exactly. Wait and see. I'm not sold on it, but I'm not calling it a failure yet. And about the numbers: yes, 80% of publishers is different than 80% of developers. The latter would not only be impressive - it would be crazy. Smaller developers don't have enough teams to work on several projects at the same time. 80% of developers would mean that a lot of companies abandoned regular projects in favor of Natal. Sorry, not possible. Still, 80% of publishers gets the message across: it's a lot. It may be 15 instead of 100, but that's still a lot to choose from.
If that is true then that's very impressive. Maybe there is something to this Natal stuff after all.
UbiSoft, EA, THQ, Sega, (Some of the biggest game developers) Have said they plan on supporting Natal fully. SO the support is there.
70-80% of world wide publishers are making wii games as well... sure as hell doesnt mean that they are GOOD games...
Bring on the Wii ports!
Cool! Your welcome Mjolliffe!
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